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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 24, 2005, 12:28:00 AM
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I hate people with black skin
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Oh, how original :roll:
say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile.
--Kurt Vonnegut, American author
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Boy, these little brainwashed sheep never stop, do they? No doubt your hatred for blacks was nurtured at HLA.
Rudy Bentz, former head master at HLA, often told his students about how he killed a black man while drunk driving as a young man. This was common knowledge to everyone who was at CEDU-RS in the early 90's. The investigating police officers never charged Rudy, because they were racists like you.
Since Rudy obviously has no problem with killing black people, why wouldn't the school rudy founded teach others to hate blacks as well?
I'm sure this anons parents are really happy that they spent tens of thousands of dollars for HLA to teach their kid racist ideology. Really, they must be so very proud of how you turned out!
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OH PUHLESE!!!!
you have got to be kidding, right??? kinda funny to think that this kid didn't come to his racism by the means of oh, i don't know, his overly privledged, white bread family!
get a grip, serbia!
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SOS's comment is as valid as yours.
My sons had never witnessed racism in our home, but picked it up at their respective programs.
I think it has something to do with festering, suppressed, anger, coupled with exposure to racism. People of color, or the most distressed kids, become the target for that anger. It certainly can't be targeted at those who deserve it.
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On 2005-03-23 21:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hate people with black skin"
People with any skin HATE YOU too!
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On 2005-03-25 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"SOS's comment is as valid as yours.
My sons had never witnessed racism in our home, but picked it up at their respective programs.
I think it has something to do with festering, suppressed, anger, coupled with exposure to racism. People of color, or the most distressed kids, become the target for that anger. It certainly can't be targeted at those who deserve it.
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Having multiple kids in "respective programs" may indicate that these kids were never raised to respect human dignity.
Raising kids without teaching moral values (don't read "religious," as I'm not at all religious) leaves them with a moral vacuum which then gets filled by those to whom they are subsequently exposed.
If these kids were raised appropriately they would not be in programs and therefore not be subjected to the awful, upside-down and backward culture flourishing therein.
If the parents had inculcated proper values in these children, they would not be susceptible to racism and hatred...
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You make some valid points, but I think you have assumed that I boarded my sons.
I did not support them being sent to programs. Wasn't even consulted. My older son spent 6 months at a Marine Military Academny and then came to live with me, when I and other family convinced my ex to bring him home. Four years later he sent our youngest to a different military academy followed by a TBS- HLA.
I can assure you that they were not exposed to racism in my home, ever. They had dealt with a step mother from hell prior to their 'respective' incarcerations. They were very angry about the bait and punish methods of the program. I do think some of that anger got misdirected. Racism was rampant at the Marine Military facility. At HLA the anger seemed to get directed to the severely distressed kids- ya know, the one's who puke in their hand and put it in their pocket or compulsively carry around and gaurd a hand full of pencils.
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I can tell you that racism for sure existed at HLA as well. However, it was used in a subdued way by staff, mostly Rudy.
We had exactly ONE African-American student at HLA in the early years. The way this kid was manipulated using racism was disgusting.
It is well known that Dahlonega is the "state seat" of the Ku Kluks Klan in GA, as the "Grand Cyclops" of the Georgia Klan operates a recruiting facility there.
This being said, when this particular child began to intimate that he would "split treatment" during the night, Rudy was sure to inform him of how blacks "are treated around here" and told this poor kid that he may end up "strung up from a tree" if he were to be "out alone at night" around Dahlonega.
If this isn't the most appalling form of racism I'm not sure what is...
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Good lord. What were these parents thinking sending their kid to Ga, to a 'white' facility. Was he court ordered?
I was very concerned to learn that my son was in Ga, not to stereotype- we certainly have our share of racism in Tx- but I was worried about him picking up some 'backward' thinking. Although I don't look it, and wasn't raised with the awareness or traditions of my heritage, I am native. The race issue is important to me.
As the months progressed my concerns turned to the methods they considered 'therapeutic'. I was a counseling student at the time and was consulting with two friends who were PhD psychologists. They were deeply concerned as well.
Bentz was gone. I had to deal with Lindsey. When I addressed my concerns re: staff behavior and requested an explanation of the 'therapeutic' value, he simply ignored me. I assumed it was because I wasn't writing the checks. After speaking to other parents I discovered that ANY parent who asks too many questions was also labled 'advarsarial'. If one were persistent or passionately disagreed, they were asked to remove their kid.
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Hey, if a kid can be "diagnosed" as "ODD" without ever having received a psychological evaluation, then why not the parents, too...?
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Amen brother.
I witnessed more 'ODD' behavior in the staff and adminitration than my son ever exhibited.
Add to that lying and manipulation. Suggesting that I lie to my son. Breaking confidence. Interfering with contact with my son. Having their head shrink impress on the court that I was 'advarsarial', non-supportive to the 'treatment my son needed', causing conflict on campus, harrassing staff at home. All fabrications. Worked well for them and my ex. They got to keep the money and my ex defeated my efforts.
BTW, my son was not 'diagnosed' prior to going to HLA. They provided that dx after a brief visit with my ex and were not interesting in taking a family history from me- the parent he'd spent the most time with. They honestly were not interested in my opinion and observations of my son. That was the first big red flag for me.
I took my ex to family court, asking that my son be brought back for an evaluation to determine if such an austere placement was in his best interest- I knew it would be found not to be. My ex testified that if my son came home he'd loose $110,000 in pre-paid tuition. They got HLA staff on the phone during the hearing to confirm that, also to sway the judge to believe that my son needed their 'treatment'. I didn't know it at the time, it was very early in the process, but their refund policy states nothing of the sort.
These people are grossly out of control and misuse their power and influence.
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Geez, I hate to keep going on under a disgusting Topic Title like this, but it's educational I guess...
What you're saying is dead on about how they manipulate and twist things. That's true. They spend all their time kowtowing to and tip-toeing around the folks that pay the bills. Everyone else is treated as a threat.
Make no mistake, the Good Doctor is a powerful man with powerful political allies. It's a rough time for those of you who bring him to court. These people will use every dirty trick in the book to protect their copious revenue stream.
God bless you for having the balls to have a go of it...[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-03-27 12:26 ]
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On 2005-03-27 05:39:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"It is well known that Dahlonega is the "state seat" of the Ku Kluks Klan in GA, as the "Grand Cyclops" of the Georgia Klan operates a recruiting facility there.
This being said, when this particular child began to intimate that he would "split treatment" during the night, Rudy was sure to inform him of how blacks "are treated around here" and told this poor kid that he may end up "strung up from a tree" if he were to be "out alone at night" around Dahlonega."
This sounds exactly like something that piece
of shit Rudy Bentz would say. Now that CEDU
is Dead, I say we go after the criminals individually. I read that Rudy is now some
sort of educational consultant in Santa Fe,
New Mexico. If this is true, I say it's imperative that we warn parents before they put their childs education & future in the hands of this sick freak!
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Indeed he is a ocnsultant with Rubin:
http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html (http://www.rubinedu.com/team/bentz.html)
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I am not interested in posting specifically about HLA at this time, but I do have to address the KKK comment. I lived for years in North Georgia..and Dahlonega is NOT the seat of the KKK...its Dawsonville....14 miles south. Dahlonega actually does not have a race problem. Dawson county has no blacks in their county, but Lumpkin does. My son had about 5 black children in his kindergarten class. I never saw a race problem in this county. Dawson county is KNOWN as having one however. And to some extent Cumming in Forsyth county did too, further south towards Atlanta. Dawson county is next door to Lumpkin, however VERY different in culture. If Rudy ever made statements about the safety of black students in Lumpkin county he was totally bullshitting. There is NO race issue in Lumpkin. He was being an ass and out of line if he really did say that to that child.
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bump
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Just as an interesting addition to comments made by Rudy, Greg told my peer group once that regardless of color we stood a chance of being shot by some inbred hick should we try and run away and end up on someones property.
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Well I just want to let you know that Hate people that hate anyone because of their race, religion, culture, or skin color. All you racist bastards are some cowards who hide behind table clothes and the american system. Thats why you stay anonymous.
Get a Life! this is not the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1960s, or even the 1970s so stop living the past.
Signing off,
An Angry Black Man
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Hey Shh,
You need to Shhush! Anyone from Georgia or who knows about Georgia knows that most places outside of Metro Atlanta is a racist place. Dahlonega, Dawsonville, Forsythe County, Waycross, Rome, Carrolton, Dublin, ect are all racist places. A staff that is currently working at HLA now (a black man) was living in Dawsonville and was forced to move because his car was vandalized by some Rednecks or KKK cowards. So that area is Racist or what I called scared because they don't understand Black Folks. In my 8 months working in Dahlonega, I could feel the looks, stares, and heard some of the comments made about black folks. I never heard staff at HLA say anything, but I will never live or work in that area again in my life. I can't say that its the home of the KKK but I know there are some in Dahlonega and I prayed everyday that my car would never breakdown on Waseaga Road or any where north of Atlanta. Thank you and have a good day.
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Hey Macaroni,
I agree with what you say here. I'm a white guy and I can tell you that the racism is palpable there.
Also, being a white guy, I heard lots of talk that would probably be "shh'd" around me if I weren't white. It seems in that area that if your skin is white, they assume you're "one of the boys." I heard and saw some really disgusting things in my time in north Georgia.
BTW, did you work at HLA also? If so, can you tell a little bit about your experiences?
Regards,
Dysfunction Junction
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Macaroni I am sorry you had a bad experience but I can tell you that living in Dawson county was a horrible choice....It IS a racist county unfortunately. Lumpkin county is NOT. Lumpkin county is home to The Army Ranger camp, North Georgia College, and tourist sites, and blacks live in the county, and attend the ranger camp and the college. My son had black kids in his school. I never saw anything racist in Dahlonega. But in Forsyth Co. I did, and in Dawson Co. I did. My former husband and I had a good friend live with us for a time in Atlanta and then later in Forsyth Co. and he was black and when I would go to the store with him in Cumming people would look at us. Really ticked me off. But he came to visit us in Dahlonega also and there he didnt have a problem shopping in town. I also have a friend who lives in Dawson Co. and he is white but he is having problems with being an outsider just the same. The head of the KKK north georgia branch is in Dawsonville, not in Dahlonega as Dysfunction stated earlier. Dahlonega is a much safer place for racial diversity. I just wanted to set the record straight on that. And by the way, I am hispanic. I have experienced bigotry in Atlanta even when I lived there. But personally didnt have a problem the 5 1/2 yrs I lived in Dahlonega. Sorry you felt uncomfortable.
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On 2005-04-17 06:52:00, SHH wrote:
"Macaroni I am sorry you had a bad experience but I can tell you that living in Dawson county was a horrible choice....It IS a racist county unfortunately. Lumpkin county is NOT. Lumpkin county is home to The Army Ranger camp, North Georgia College, and tourist sites, and blacks live in the county, and attend the ranger camp and the college. My son had black kids in his school. I never saw anything racist in Dahlonega. But in Forsyth Co. I did, and in Dawson Co. I did. My former husband and I had a good friend live with us for a time in Atlanta and then later in Forsyth Co. and he was black and when I would go to the store with him in Cumming people would look at us. Really ticked me off. But he came to visit us in Dahlonega also and there he didnt have a problem shopping in town. I also have a friend who lives in Dawson Co. and he is white but he is having problems with being an outsider just the same. The head of the KKK north georgia branch is in Dawsonville, not in Dahlonega as Dysfunction stated earlier. Dahlonega is a much safer place for racial diversity. I just wanted to set the record straight on that. And by the way, I am hispanic. I have experienced bigotry in Atlanta even when I lived there. But personally didnt have a problem the 5 1/2 yrs I lived in Dahlonega. Sorry you felt uncomfortable."
Right on schedule. There you have it, Macaroni. Your experience is hereby invalidated and you are corrected: You NEVER experienced racism in Lumpkin county, Georgia.
Thank God Mrs. Gray is here to TELL you what you heard and saw so you don't have to do any thinking on your OWN.
And your friend wasn't a victim of racism either. He made a "bad choice" in his residence, that's all.
Thanks for straightening that out, Mrs. Gray. Another bang-up job!
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***The Army Ranger camp
The Mountain Rangers? Many who were hired to work at HLA's boot camp (Ridge Creek) woops, 'wilderness leadership program'? Why is it they are no longer there? I don't believe you answered that question.
Keith Antonia , Director
Keith Antonia graduated from the University of Connecticut in 1981 with a B.S. in General Business Administration and holds a Masters degree from the Naval War College in National Security. Recently retired as a Lieutenant Colonel, Keith completed 20 highly successful years of service in the U.S. Army as an infantry officer in Airborne and Ranger units. Throughout his 20 years leading soldiers under hazardous conditions, he became an expert at managing and mitigating risk. His effort and supervision led to an outstanding safety record. His last assignment in the Army involved commanding the Mountain Phase of the U.S. Army Ranger School in Dahlonega, Georgia. His goal is to provide a rigorous but safe wilderness leadership program for Ridge Creek students. He and his family currently reside in Dahlonega, Georgia.
Tom Wilburn, Wilderness Team Leader
Recently retired First Sergeant, Tom served 20 years in the U.S. Army Special Operations Forces. His qualifications include Ranger, Pathfinder, Master Fitness Trainer, Advanced Land Navigation, Survival, SpecialForces Mountain Rescue, American Heart Association CPR Instructor, Wilderness First Responder and many other certifications/qualifications. Tom has extensive leadership training and experience. He led soldiers under the most hazardous conditions in combat and in peacetime with outstanding success. He achieved the highest enlisted rank in the Army. He also is a volunteer fireman in Suches, GA where he assists with search and rescue. He and his family reside in Suches, Georgia.
Kevin Connell, Wilderness Team Leader
Kevin recently retired as a Command Sergeant Major from the U.S. Army after serving over 23 years in Special Operations and Ranger Units. His qualifications include Ranger, High Risk Survival, Mountaineering Instructor, Winter Operations Course, Master Fitness Trainer, American Heart Association CPR Instructor and numerous other qualifications/certifications. During his time in the military, Kevin was recognized as a mature, focused leader who was unflappable under the most stressful conditions. He mentored, trained and led hundreds of future Army leaders. He and his family reside in Dahlonega, Georgia.
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Deborah RIdge Creek was opened right when I left..I have no experience with it other than I did meet Keith Antonia on several occasions. He was the CO of the Army Ranger camp for many years and retired from the Army and then went to be the director....but I am not sure why that is a problem...you dont have to be a counselor to be a director....he managed it not counseled students. And what is the big difference between teaching 16 yr olds mountain skills and 18 yr olds mountain skills?? The army boys were between 18-25 yrs old on average. NOt that much older than Ridge Creek participants. But you seem to have a problem with ex Army people working with children? why is that? Are they somehow bad people?
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Damn Dysfunction quit reading crap that isnt there did I say his experience was invalid???? NO..I said I was sorry he felt uncomfortable and that Yes Dawson Co. is bad for racism. I never called him a liar so quit twisting my damn words around AGAIN to fit YOUR agenda. It's getting redundant. Why dont you actually read what I type instead of reading what you want into it?
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Your arrogance of opinion astounds me. I don?t know SHH. Perhaps you could tell me why a person might feel defrauded if they paid for a Cadillac and was delivered a Geo Prism.
The program was sold as a ?Wilderness Leadership Program? and NOT a boot camp. Why ex-military?
While you?re elaborating, you might also address why the state thinks it might be important for the Director and Staff to have some credentials in the mental health/social science fields and experience working with youth. Can you imagine why they might think that was important? Or that Outdoor Therapeutic Camps be licensed?
You might also explain why the Dir of Counseling at HLA told me that Antonio told her that wilderness programs in Ga weren't required to be licensed. Perhaps they assumed so since HLA had operated 7 years without a license.
290-2-7-.02 Applicability. Amended.
(1) No person, institution, agency, society or facility shall operate a Therapeutic Camp unless a license or permit has been obtained from the Department.
290-2-7-.04 Personnel. Amended.
(3) The Administrator or Executive Director shall have a masters degree from an accredited college or university and a minimum of three years of increasingly responsible experience in the human service, mental health or health care field, or a Bachelors Degree plus 5 years experience in the field of child care, human services, mental health, at least 2 of which includes supervisory and/or administrative responsibility.
(7) The staff member with primary responsibility for planning, developing, implementing treatment services, supervising staff who deliver the treatment and ancillary services, and developing in-service training shall have a master's degree in psychology, social work, education or other related fields and experience and/or training in working with children in an outdoor therapeutic environment.
(15) Child care staff shall be at least 4 years older than the oldest child in their group, have a high school education or an equivalency and experience in working with children in a group setting. Former campers employed as staff shall be at least 21 years of age.
290-2-7-.05 Admission and Intake Policies. Amended.
(4) The Therapeutic Camp shall not admit a camper who has not had a medical examination by a licensed physician within 30 days prior to admission.
[When my son refused the physical he was sent anyway and told he?d have to ?suffer the consequences?.]
(6) The Therapeutic Camp shall not accept a Camper for care until a psychological or psychiatric evaluation and an intake study has been made and based on an analysis and recommendation of the social service worker with approval of the Administrator has determined that the placement meets the needs and best interests of the camper. [Who does the psych evaluations for HLA when they make a referral to RC? My son didn?t have one prior to RC or HLA for that matter.]
FYI, my son was 14. And no, I would not choose for him to be 'trained' by ex-military. Guys who play war games in the woods for entertainment... or preparation for the white revolution???
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So are you trying to insinuate that the ex military members are white supremacists??? LMAO....I am sure the Army rangers would LOVE to hear that one.....I already told you that the woods are NOT FULL of white supremacists in Lumpkin Co...ONE racist bastard does not a racist county make....DUH! Just because the ass decided to retire to Lumpkin Co does not mean the woods are full of them...GEEZ how much of a generalization is that?? And to insinuate that somehow the Army Rangers are training for anything other than Army stuff is bizarre. What I did say about Keith was that as a director..he was not required to be a psychologist...if you will LOOK at the website ridgecreek.org they do have counselors....the only one I know personally though is Cheryl. She was my neighbor for a time. I already also told you that I am unfamiliar with most of Ridge Creek since it opened after I left. I know nothing about requirements for bootcamps or for wilderness camps. But I still dont see a problem with ex Army doing the wilderness part...as long as they have counselors to do the counseling. It would be unfeasible for every member to be a counselor...some counselors have no experience with wilderness activities and some wilderness people have no experience with counseling. Of course those doing counseling should have experience, that wasnt my point. My point was the director doesnt have to be a counselor.
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On 2005-04-17 10:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So are you trying to insinuate that the ex military members are white supremacists??? LMAO....I am sure the Army rangers would LOVE to hear that one.....I already told you that the woods are NOT FULL of white supremacists in Lumpkin Co...ONE racist bastard does not a racist county make....DUH! Just because the ass decided to retire to Lumpkin Co does not mean the woods are full of them...GEEZ how much of a generalization is that?? And to insinuate that somehow the Army Rangers are training for anything other than Army stuff is bizarre. What I did say about Keith was that as a director..he was not required to be a psychologist...if you will LOOK at the website ridgecreek.org they do have counselors....the only one I know personally though is Cheryl. She was my neighbor for a time. I already also told you that I am unfamiliar with most of Ridge Creek since it opened after I left. I know nothing about requirements for bootcamps or for wilderness camps. But I still dont see a problem with ex Army doing the wilderness part...as long as they have counselors to do the counseling. It would be unfeasible for every member to be a counselor...some counselors have no experience with wilderness activities and some wilderness people have no experience with counseling. Of course those doing counseling should have experience, that wasnt my point. My point was the director doesnt have to be a counselor. "
A "retired" white supremacist? DAMN you're dense. He was a Grand Dragon of the KKK, then he became a member of the National Alliance, whose HEADQUARTERS are in Dahlonega. Must have a membership of one, I guess.
I should read YOUR posts? YOU should read your posts. YOU DO GEORGIA PROUD!
You are so misinformed it's not even funny. Wait, can you read this with your blinders on? Maybe not.
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Everyone will rest easy now that you have assured us that the mountains are not 'full of racists'. Did you miss this:
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=90#95965 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8631&forum=41&start=90#95965)
I don?t know what the Mt Rangers are up to on their excursion to the woods, hence the question marks???? And, I feel certain that you don?t either. I do find it odd that grown men like to play war games. But, as long as they leave me and my family alone, I have no problem with their shinanigans.
From their website:
Standing Orders Major Robert Rogers, 1759
Don't forget nothing.
Have your musket clean as a whistle, hatchet scoured, sixty rounds powder and ball, and be ready to march at a minute's warning.
When you're on the march, act the way you would if you was sneaking up on a deer. See the enemy first. Tell the truth about what you see and do. There is an army depending on us for correct information. You can lie all you please when you tell other folks about the Rangers, but don't never lie to a Ranger or officer.
Don't never take a chance you don't have to.
When we're on the march we march single file, far enough apart so one shot can't go through two men.
If we strike swamps, or soft ground, we spread out abreast, so it's hard to track us.
When we march, we keep moving til dark, so as to give the enemy the least possible chance at us.
When we camp, half the party stays awake while the other half sleeps.
If we take prisoners, we keep 'em separate til we have had time to examine them, so they can't cook up a story between 'em.
Don't ever march home the same way. Take a different route so you won't be ambushed. No matter whether we travel in big parties or little ones, each party has to keep a scout 20 yards ahead, twenty yards on each flank and twenty
yards in the rear, so the main body can't be surprised and wiped out.
Every night you'll be told where to meet if surrounded by a superior force.
Don't sit down to eat without posting sentries.
Don't sleep beyond dawn. Dawn's when the French and Indians attack.
Don't cross a river by a regular ford.
If somebody's trailing you, make a circle, come back onto your own tracks, and ambush the folks that aim to ambush you.
Don't stand up when the enemy's coming against you. Kneel down. Hide behind a tree.
Let the enemy come till he's almost close enough to touch. Then let him have it and jump out and finish him up with your hatchet.
Notes from one of their rendezvous http://mountain.armyranger.org/PC2000.htm (http://mountain.armyranger.org/PC2000.htm)
The Penn Cove Rendezvous is an annual event the takes place in early April that provides an opportunity for Rangers young and old to
fellowship together in a familiar environment--the cold-damp woods.
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290-2-7-.02 Applicability. Amended.
(1) No person, institution, agency, society or facility shall operate a Therapeutic Camp unless a license or permit has been obtained from the Department. UM, NO. NO LICENSE. HLA RUNS UNLICENSED WILDERNESS PROGRAM.
290-2-7-.04 Personnel. Amended.
(3) The Administrator or Executive Director shall have a masters degree from an accredited college or university and a minimum of three years of increasingly responsible experience in the human service, mental health or health care field, or a Bachelors Degree plus 5 years experience in the field of child care, human services, mental health, at least 2 of which includes supervisory and/or administrative responsibility. UM, NO. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. HLA BREAKING GEORGIA LAW AGAIN.
(7) The staff member with primary responsibility for planning, developing, implementing treatment services, supervising staff who deliver the treatment and ancillary services, and developing in-service training shall have a master's degree in psychology, social work, education or other related fields and experience and/or training in working with children in an outdoor therapeutic environment. UH...NO, HE DOESN'T RESEMBLE THIS EITHER.
Here's the ONLY true, meaningful statement you have made in a good, long while, Mrs. Gray: "I know nothing about requirements for bootcamps or for wilderness camps." CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF FOR THE FIRST TIME. SEE HOW EASY THAT WAS? NOW, PLEASE GO BACK AND EDIT YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS WITH THE SAME HONESTY...
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SHH, you are denser than a rock.
Thank god the state doesn't have to defer to your opinons re: the requirements for Directors and Staff of such a facility.
And yes, you do know something about state regs. I posted them for you, so you wouldn't have to do the research yourself. Ignore them if you choose. Parents who thought they were purchasing a state-of-the-art wilderness experience may have a different opinion. BTW, who said Antonio was required to be a Psychologist/Counselor?
I'm aware that you know nothing about RC. You could find out if you cared to, just as you have 'found out' about other things that happened after you left.
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On 2005-04-17 10:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"290-2-7-.02 Applicability. Amended.
(1) No person, institution, agency, society or facility shall operate a Therapeutic Camp unless a license or permit has been obtained from the Department. UM, NO. NO LICENSE. HLA RUNS UNLICENSED WILDERNESS PROGRAM.
290-2-7-.04 Personnel. Amended.
(3) The Administrator or Executive Director shall have a masters degree from an accredited college or university and a minimum of three years of increasingly responsible experience in the human service, mental health or health care field, or a Bachelors Degree plus 5 years experience in the field of child care, human services, mental health, at least 2 of which includes supervisory and/or administrative responsibility. UM, NO. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. HLA BREAKING GEORGIA LAW AGAIN.
(7) The staff member with primary responsibility for planning, developing, implementing treatment services, supervising staff who deliver the treatment and ancillary services, and developing in-service training shall have a master's degree in psychology, social work, education or other related fields and experience and/or training in working with children in an outdoor therapeutic environment. UH...NO, HE DOESN'T RESEMBLE THIS EITHER.
Here's the ONLY true, meaningful statement you have made in a good, long while, Mrs. Gray: "I know nothing about requirements for bootcamps or for wilderness camps." CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF FOR THE FIRST TIME. SEE HOW EASY THAT WAS? NOW, PLEASE GO BACK AND EDIT YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS WITH THE SAME HONESTY...
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I case you didn't know, this was me.
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I tell the truth about what I experienced and what MY opinion is because my opinion doesnt if your agenda its automatically not valid I guess huh? I cannot LIE about what I experienced now can I....someone who runs the camp from a business point of view does NOT need to be a counselor...that was not his job...he wasnt the one responsible for the things listed on your post. that was somebody elses job to be the counselor and running the counseling portion of the program. And Keith was the CO of the Army camp....very much qualified to run a "human services" based camp. Thats what the Army Ranger camp is. They deal with students learning wilderness skills. And Ridge Creek is licensed. It is being run legally. Now Deborah I dont know why you think that Army Rangers are doing anything bizarre. It is their JOB to train Army Rangers to do maneuvers in the woods....that is not "grown men playing games" ...its their training. NOt sure why that is so weird. But anyway, I have to go take care of family members and do housework and go grocery shopping so feel free to bash in my absence ....and just so you know Im not "running away in fear" LMAO (that one is just too funny)
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On 2005-04-17 11:03:00, SHH wrote:
"I tell the truth about what I experienced and what MY opinion is because my opinion doesnt if your agenda its automatically not valid I guess huh? I cannot LIE about what I experienced now can I....someone who runs the camp from a business point of view does NOT need to be a counselor...that was not his job...he wasnt the one responsible for the things listed on your post. that was somebody elses job to be the counselor and running the counseling portion of the program. And Keith was the CO of the Army camp....very much qualified to run a "human services" based camp. Thats what the Army Ranger camp is. They deal with students learning wilderness skills. And Ridge Creek is licensed. It is being run legally. Now Deborah I dont know why you think that Army Rangers are doing anything bizarre. It is their JOB to train Army Rangers to do maneuvers in the woods....that is not "grown men playing games" ...its their training. NOt sure why that is so weird. But anyway, I have to go take care of family members and do housework and go grocery shopping so feel free to bash in my absence ....and just so you know Im not "running away in fear" LMAO (that one is just too funny)"
Shoot me now! Shoot me now!
Somebody put me out of my misery. This knot-headed retard is fucking KILLING me.
Let me correct you again: BY GEORGIA LAW, YES, HE MUST HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE AND AT LEAST THREE YEARS PROGRESSIVE EXPERIENCE IN HEALTH/HUMAN SERVICES. The Army is NOT health and human services. Therefore, as logic would have it, it is not "being run legally," is it?
Since when does MILITARY=HUMAN SERVICES? Ask any military personnel, especially INFANTRY, and they will tell you their job is to KILL THE ENEMY. How on God's green earth does that translate into HUMAN SERVICES? Is killing a human service? Is teaching others to kill a human service?
You're a piece of work, lady. I can see why Fat Bill kicked your ass to the curb: YOU'VE GOT MORE ISSUES THAN A FUCKING MAGAZINE RACK.
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D. did I cuss you? Did I call you names???? NO I didnt....you chose to be that immature. So you dont agree with my statements. Oh well. I stand by what I said....The army ranger camp trains soldiers to survive in the woods and wilderness skills and to avoid the enemy, etc. Keith's job as a wilderness camp was similar in nature and therefore he was qualified. I already TOLD you the counselors had the job of dealing with counseling issues. There was another position that you are quoting in your post that was NOT Keith's job. Keith isnt even there anymore its moot at this point. And by the way, since you dont KNOW ME, D., I suggest you dont make ASSUMPTIONS about my divorce...not only is it something you have NO clue as to who divorced who, or whether it was mutual, it is simply not something relevent to this post...do I question you about your relationships?? NO I think NOT. IF you're so curious why dont you call Bill up? I am sure he would appreciate you calling him fat. Very nice and grown up. He is an ex football player and almost 6'5. Not exactly "fat". You just cant avoid the self serving insults to others can you. Grow up will you? Cussing me not only makes you look immature, it is irrelevent to the discussion. I do believe you have FAR more issues than I, D., such as your hatefulness, and quick temper. have fun! :wave: [ This Message was edited by: SHH on 2005-04-17 11:58 ]
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Cussing?
"The army ranger camp trains soldiers to survive in the woods and wilderness skills and to avoid the enemy, etc. Keith's job as a wilderness camp was similar in nature and therefore he was qualified."
Did you confirm this with the Office of Regulatory Services? Did they recently change their regulations? Or is it just your/HLA's opinion?
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You're a moron. Plain and simple. Anyone who reads this thread sees that.
Yes, Bill was fat. Yes, you are annoying.
We're not having a "discussion." What we have is you droning on and on about how 2 + 2 = 5.
Let me clarify: You make no sense. You say what is opposite of PROVEN FACT. You deny others' points of view as if yours were correct, even though what you say invariably flies in the face of reality.
There is no "discussion." There hasn't been since we've dealt with you. You are incapable of sustaining a discussion based in reality.
Please, for the sake of everyone involved, put the car in the garage, leave it running, close the garage door and take a nice long nap...
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I have friends who were Seedlings. Did you just diss seedlings? Why?
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SHH,
You may not know the history of boot camps and wilderness programs. Since 1980, 90-some kids have died from this 'therapy'. All due to neglect or abuse.
Many professionals have spoken out against this type of 'therapy'. Claiming it is not only ineffective, but harmful.
Georgia even shut down their state run boot camps for juveniles offenders, stating, "`It is our experts' opinion -- and the opinion of many of the boot camp staff and mental health professionals with whom we spoke -- that the paramilitary boot camp model is not only ineffective, but harmful to such youths,'' said Mr. Bill Lann Lee , Acting Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights"
Point being, these outdoor/wilderness/boot camp programs need to be watched carefully. Many programs that killed kids were properly licensed, so even that is not a guarentee. But the regs need to be followed for the little safety that they might afford.
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First off I never lived in Lumpkin County or Dawsonville. I commutted to work everyday with a couple of my work mates. How in the hell do you know what I experienced in Lumpkin county, dawsonville, or any part of the world. If you sit here and beleive that racism, bigotry, or whatever else that goes along with hatred towards people of the darker skin color then you are ignorant to the facts. So Mrs Shh did not set the record straight. The only thing she did was talk about her experiences in those counties or areas. You don't know what I experienced. Peace Out.
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Yes I did work at HLA for about 8 months between June of 2004 until March of 2005. Well my experience there was a little mix. I loved working with the students as there counselor and basketball coach. But I did not some of the things that happen while I worked at HLA.
Things I liked:
1. The staff was cool as hell. I made a lot of friends and still is friends with staff such as Daryl, Johnny, Bill W.(a black guy), Miya, Jenine, and Denny.
2. I loved working with my peer groups and teams.
3. I like some of the off campus activities they had for the students.
4. I like the fact that they allowed me to use my skill to apply to the job as much as I wanted. Which allowed me to be real with the students.
Things I disliked:
1. the pay sucks.
2. The place is ran like a dictatorship. If you did not do what the owner or some admin said you would get the axe.
3. I did not like some of the reason I had to put a student on restrictions for. Such as relationships, not writing fallout, and some more but thats all I can think of right now.
4. I did not like the fact that I had to do AC staff work such as go to the airport, cover dorms, cover activities, sit a lake front all fucking day or lower left all day long.
5. I did not like the fact that they changed the schedule and required counselors to work at least one evening in the week.
6. I did not like the fact that during the winter we did not have heat in the counselor building.
7. I did not like the fact that they did not allow student to watch certain music but allowed to them to listen to others that glorifyied sex, drugs, and alcohol also.
8. It was alot of indirect racism.
9. I hated the lodge food. Especially the soup special maggot soup.
10. I have more but I cannot think of them right now.
I never saw childern being abused. When they were on restricitons they had to do alot of PT, cleaning up, writing assignments, and they were not allowed to have certain drinks at dinner and peanut butter sandwiches. But they were allowed to eat regular dinners or fix a cold cut sandwich or salad. The work for a counselor is so over bearing that it makes them very unhappy because we are not appreciated and we have no voice. We are over worked with two peer groups. The benefits suck. I left because the job was taking away from my family and they are more important than anything in my life. I wanted to pursue a career in coaching and teaching. I'm also going back to school to first get certified to teach and to get my Ph.d. in Educational Leadership.
If you have any question I would like to answer them but I'm only going to talk about my experiences.
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So you were a staff? I think that is cool that you knew Daryl and all them. They were the reason I was able to stand that place for so long. Jenine was soo amaing also. There were a few staff that made living there bearable. Laura, John (The redhead), those sort of people. I think that is really cool that you were friends with them. But I have to ask you why you were only there for a few months. Staff come and go a lot there, but that is a really short period of time to stay. Were you a counselor or an activities person or what?
PS: Jason was the most amazing black guy ever. Is he still there?
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I was a counselor there and I also coached basketball. Jason left about 4-5 months ago to do volunteer work some where. Daryl and I are real close friends now. did you work there and if so when. Please believe I know no to believe everything on here, because some things are exagerrated.
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She was a student there
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On 2005-04-21 22:40:00, Macaroni3001 wrote:
"I was a counselor there and I also coached basketball. Jason left about 4-5 months ago to do volunteer work some where. Daryl and I are real close friends now. did you work there and if so when. Please believe I know no to believe everything on here, because some things are exagerrated. "
You were a counselor as well? Out of curiousity, what is your educational background?
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I have a Master's in Social Work.
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Macaroni,
you were very missed at the prom!! It wasn't quite the same not having Jason doing the music, but we made due! we miss you anyway - you were quite an asset! Hope you are taking care of that woman!!!
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Anonymous,
I'm speechless! I'm glad to hear that the prom was a success. I heard about it. Thank you for the comment. I'm taking care of all my family. Especially my woman.
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HLA has a Prom now!?!?! That's crazy. It sounds like they've loosened up alot since I was there. I was in PG 22 back in '97, I believe it was... Are kids still not allowed to engage in relationships? What Peer Group are they on now? Is Lee still there? Man, my head's flooding with questions.
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On 2005-04-16 22:25:00, Macaroni3001 wrote:
"Well I just want to let you know that Hate people that hate anyone because of their race, religion, culture, or skin color. All you racist bastards are some cowards who hide behind table clothes and the american system. Thats why you stay anonymous.
Get a Life! this is not the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1960s, or even the 1970s so stop living the past.
Signing off,
An Angry Black Man"
Another fine reason that race relations are in the gutter!
By the way who benefits the most that Americans are divided against itself?
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niggers do suck, they are lazy and smell funny too.
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pg22:
yeah, they had a prom and it was great! the high school grads went to cork screw for dinner and the program grads went to piazza's for dinner. the boys were able to wear tux's or just their hla's and the girls wore formals! there were great decorations and boys and girls got to dance together. we had a dj and afterwards the grads and some staff cleaned up and went to huddle house for breakfast!!
pretty awesome, eh!
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pg 22 here. whoa. i'm shocked. but hey, that is awesome. they would never have done that while i was there. they were sketched out just depending on how long you'd talk to someone of the opp. sex.
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It's a school in Georgia. Of course they're gonna hate niggers. Just like here in chi-town, us niggers hate you crackers.
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What the hell is chi-town? Chicago? Why not call it by its name and not some eubonicized version of it. Irregardless, have you ever actually been to the school? Were you a student there? While the majority of the towns residents are as racist as you are, dont lump all the students into that category.
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I am a Georgian. Not everybody in Georgia's towns is a racist. To say that is ignorant. There are some racists sure, but I met more racists in my travels to northern cities then I did in Atlanta or any town in North Georgia, which is where Hidden Lake Academy is.
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On 2005-07-29 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"pg22:
yeah, they had a prom and it was great! the high school grads went to cork screw for dinner and the program grads went to piazza's for dinner. the boys were able to wear tux's or just their hla's and the girls wore formals! there were great decorations and boys and girls got to dance together. we had a dj and afterwards the grads and some staff cleaned up and went to huddle house for breakfast!!
pretty awesome, eh!
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This post seriously smacks of "counselor" or "employee." Way too many exclamation points emphasizing pretty lame stuff. I can't imagine any kid who would think that is a "normal" prom, much less an "awesome" one.
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well, that's what happened, the kids who went seemed to have a good time.
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On 2005-10-10 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"well, that's what happened, the kids who went seemed to have a good time."
who are you? were you there? in what capacity? maybe you're the author of the suspect post...?
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Even if its not a staff member look at the description of the "prom" the highschool grads and program grads, that amounts to what seven kids? Why are kids who are done with the program still there?
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It wasnt just 7 kids. Much more than that.
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It was a nice prom. Not exactly like a regular public school prom but at least the staff put forth a good effort for the kids to have some fun. When you only have 150-160 students in a school at any given time it is hard to compare to a regular school that has that many and more in a single grade. But it was still very nice.
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Forget about trying to convince anyone that anything remotely "normal" or enjoyable happens there. Very few people on this forum will listen. They just want the "dirt".
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You are right it was alot more than 7 students. There were about 125 people who attended in all. About 1/3 of the student body were at the spring formal. (prom). That amounts to about 50 currently enrolled students. And they did seem to enjoy themselves immensely.
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i hate that this post is on this topic title! but yes, i am the poster of the original prom entry and anyone who wants to say bad things and not think that there is anything good happening up there is going to do just that...so i would NEVER try to convince folks that these enjoyable things happen...
but truth be known, it was a lot of fun, high school grads totalled about 20 or so, they were high school/program grads and it was a blast! everyone who went had a great time and yes, everyone wasn't eligible...there was criteria and those who cared enough to meet it went those who didn't...didn't.
i am glad that there are some folks on here that support some of the posts.
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On 2005-10-11 09:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Forget about trying to convince anyone that anything remotely "normal" or enjoyable happens there. Very few people on this forum will listen. They just want the "dirt"."
Yeah I went there, I know the truth, I dont need you to try and sell me on something else. Im confused though, one person says 20 another says 50, which is it? Furthermore why was no answer given as to the large number of post program students still remaining on campus? Why would such a need be nessecary?
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20 of them were high school/program grads. The rest were other students. The total numbered approximately 125. Some of that number were staff, some were guests, but the total number of students was approximately 50.
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I see so 50? Are you sure youre settled on that number? Let me ask you then were the remaining 30 or so students actually students at HLA? Or were they bussed in from somewhere? Also why would such an event require 75 staff members to be present? Was there dancing at this "prom" or is looking at the opposite sex still considered a violation of the sex "agreement"...agreement that still makes me laugh.
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There were 50 or so students. 20 were grads, others were other current students. (the 30 you mention). Approximately 40 or 45 were staff members who participated either as chaperones or in another capacity as hosts. So that totals about 95. The remaining 20 or 25 were guests invited in.
Oh and I am sorry that you did not get to enjoy a prom in the 3 months you were at the school. Some things improve with time I suppose.
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you try so hard to defame and discredit..yes, you had a terrible time...boo hoo...for someone who has "gotten past it all" you sure seem to harbor a lot of animosity...
you can think and say what you wish, robertbruce, the fact is you know nothing about the school now and want it to be as it was for you...that place could have been as great as can be but your circumstances made if awful...again, grow up, be a man, enjoy your life and your family and love how great your environment is now...as hard as you try you cannot degrade the good things that happen up there...regardless of what you say...
and you don't need to bother to give one of you incredibly long, sarcastic, psudo intellectual responses...i will not respond...again, enjoy your life in the present and stop living or hating the past...and remember, your parent(s) put you there...the school didn't make them and didnt solicit them...if you have an issue take it up with them...
have a good life! i am sure you deserve it.
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On 2005-10-12 18:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you try so hard to defame and discredit..yes, you had a terrible time...boo hoo...for someone who has "gotten past it all" you sure seem to harbor a lot of animosity...
you can think and say what you wish, robertbruce, the fact is you know nothing about the school now and want it to be as it was for you...that place could have been as great as can be but your circumstances made if awful...again, grow up, be a man, enjoy your life and your family and love how great your environment is now...as hard as you try you cannot degrade the good things that happen up there...regardless of what you say...
and you don't need to bother to give one of you incredibly long, sarcastic, psudo intellectual responses...i will not respond...again, enjoy your life in the present and stop living or hating the past...and remember, your parent(s) put you there...the school didn't make them and didnt solicit them...if you have an issue take it up with them...
have a good life! i am sure you deserve it."
Geez, STFU already. Aren't you supposed to be an adult? You sound like a child.
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Anon,
What's your stake in this?
How would you benefit if survivors stopped talking about their experience?
How does 'growing up' equate to being silent about an experience?
It doesn't. But then, you know that.
Shame on you for attempting to shame someone into silence.
Shame on you for posting your opinions but stating you won't read RB's.
Shame and arrogance, key factors in all BM warehouses. In case you haven't noticed, it just doesn't have the same impact in the free world.
And we all know you're reading, can't help yourself. Your stake is much greater than your unsolicited 'concern' for RB's level of 'maturity'.
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On 2005-10-12 18:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you try so hard to defame and discredit..yes, you had a terrible time...boo hoo...for someone who has "gotten past it all" you sure seem to harbor a lot of animosity...
you can think and say what you wish, robertbruce, the fact is you know nothing about the school now and want it to be as it was for you...that place could have been as great as can be but your circumstances made if awful...again, grow up, be a man, enjoy your life and your family and love how great your environment is now...as hard as you try you cannot degrade the good things that happen up there...regardless of what you say...
and you don't need to bother to give one of you incredibly long, sarcastic, psudo intellectual responses...i will not respond...again, enjoy your life in the present and stop living or hating the past...and remember, your parent(s) put you there...the school didn't make them and didnt solicit them...if you have an issue take it up with them...
have a good life! i am sure you deserve it."
I try so hard to defame and discredit? It really doesnt take awhole lot of work. I mean really HLA tries hard to cover up their crimes, but its really not doing a good job. There are to many of us out here now, to many of us willing to tell the truth. You may want to talk to Bucci about updating his brainwashing techniques, obviously they arent working.
And yes you are correct I do not know the current condition of the school, as I have not been there in some time. However It seems ironic that the students who come out of there today are saying the exact same things the people who came out years ago are saying. Apparently nothing has changed, you yourself are a testament to that as a staff member spouting off the same nonsense (and again having it shot down) as was given to me years ago.
Oh and again, although as a staff member I know you have a built in system which tells you not to listen to rational arguments, but do try. Ive said many times on here and other boards, I dont hate HLA, Im not angry at them, I forgave HLA for its crimes a long time ago, I simply recognize HLA for what it is, and the neccesity for it to be shut down, so it cant hurt any more children. You can understand that cant you? Nevermind stupid question.
Oh before I forget, where did you get the number of three months? Or was that just you fishing again?
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The number is 3 months because that is how long you were there D. But the post you reference in your response doesn't mention the 3 months. I mentioned the 3 months in my post because that was the length of time you were at the school.
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Darn there's no 'fishing' icon.
Here we go... an inverted fishing hook. :question:
For such a "little fish that no one's casting for", there sure are a lot of questions.
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On 2005-10-13 10:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The number is 3 months because that is how long you were there D. But the post you reference in your response doesn't mention the 3 months. I mentioned the 3 months in my post because that was the length of time you were at the school. "
Was it now? Im glad you have a better recollection than me, the person who lived there, for a hell of alot longer then three months. :grin: Idiot. Oh and by all means keep guessing as to my name. Maybe you'll get my initial right next time, I mean hey youre only facing one out of 25 odds. Maybe youll get lucky.
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Do you have memory problems? You can't remember your own name Devon? I'm sorry to hear that
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On 2005-10-13 20:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Do you have memory problems? You can't remember your own name Devon? I'm sorry to hear that"
Oh none at all thanks. Are you having listening problems or are you just that stupid. Your guess is incorrect, but as ive said before please keep trying...it ammuses me.
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YOu can say you are not Devon all day. But I know the truth. You can say whatever you want on a board of course. Doesn't matter to me. My point to you however was that I do not need to guess your identity. Nor do I really care. What I wanted you to be aware of though, was that you are not anonymous anymore, even though you think you are. Take that for what it's worth, if you know what I mean.
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On 2005-10-14 04:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"YOu can say you are not Devon all day. But I know the truth. You can say whatever you want on a board of course. Doesn't matter to me. My point to you however was that I do not need to guess your identity. Nor do I really care. What I wanted you to be aware of though, was that you are not anonymous anymore, even though you think you are. Take that for what it's worth, if you know what I mean."
You're interested enough to threaten a kid. To me that's pretty interested.
When I trace your MAC address and I find out you're an employee of HLA and you're publishing clients' names or using personal information obtained from confidential HLA records to harass a former client in violation of HIPAA and federal confidentiality laws not only are you going to lose your job, HLA is going to have some serious explaining to do in a court of law.
Have a nice day, asshole.
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On 2005-10-14 04:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"YOu can say you are not Devon all day. But I know the truth. You can say whatever you want on a board of course. Doesn't matter to me. My point to you however was that I do not need to guess your identity. Nor do I really care. What I wanted you to be aware of though, was that you are not anonymous anymore, even though you think you are. Take that for what it's worth, if you know what I mean."
And you can claim all day that you arent Mrs. Grey, but we all know the truth. I mean you blather on about how you dont care who I am yet you apparently went to an awful lot of trouble to figure out who I am, and yet still guessed incorectly. This is typical HLA behavior it still surprises me how nothing has changed. On top of the fact that even if you did guess correctly (which again you havent) you did so illegally (again typical HLA behavior) which means you cant do anything with it. So tell me sunshine, after youve gone down the entire roster of students, and the off chance you got it right, what are you going to do with it? Nothing. So Im not anonymous, so what. What difference does that make, at all. Keep guessing.
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I dont work for HLA. I didnt use anybodys full name. Only first name. They feel free to publish some lady named Mrs. Gray's name. Also Karen's info. All I did was show Devon I knew who he was since he keeps on claiming nobody knows. It was a point I was making, not a threat of any kind. I am not associated with the school in any way.
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My apologies the above post is mine. I forgot to log in.
I wanted to add that I love how HLA will try ANYTHING to avoid talking about the real issues, that is crimes they committe against children, and how their propoganda campaign is falling apart so they are forced to try and turn to the focus onto pointless topics such as. Who is RobertBruce, a task they apparently wasted so much effort on and then failed at! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
But seriously why dont we talk about some of the more pressing matters at HLA. For instance how much money Bucci saves by using slave labor instead of sub contractors for a large part of the schools maintance.
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On 2005-10-14 08:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont work for HLA. I didnt use anybodys full name. Only first name. They feel free to publish some lady named Mrs. Gray's name. Also Karen's info. All I did was show Devon I knew who he was since he keeps on claiming nobody knows. It was a point I was making, not a threat of any kind. I am not associated with the school in any way. "
Oh Im sure you can claim that you dont work for them, but then the question remains Mrs. Grey, how would you have gotten the information to make your guess? I mean you must have access to student records somehow then yes? And this would of course be illegal would it not. I mean irregardless of the fact that you guessed incorrectly, you still somehow managed to pin down that a student named Devon went to HLA for apparently three months. How else would you know this. Face facts youre busted. Oh and for the record, several people on this board do know my true identity, I havent had to hide anything from them. Further Mrs. Grey (you) told us who she was, no one had to guess anything, and I have no idea who this Karen person is youre refering to.
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On 2005-10-14 08:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont work for HLA. I didnt use anybodys full name. Only first name. They feel free to publish some lady named Mrs. Gray's name. Also Karen's info. All I did was show Devon I knew who he was since he keeps on claiming nobody knows. It was a point I was making, not a threat of any kind. I am not associated with the school in any way. "
If you're not associated with the school in "any way," then how can you have access to students' names and lengths of stay?
In any case, prepare yourself for a subpoena because if you don't have any connection to HLA then someone who does is giving you information that is confidential, although I believe you are an employee or related to one. No matter.
I'm working up the proper papers to have the owner of this site release your particulars (Yes! Your IP and MAC addresses and your ISP are all part of the information you send every time you post!) from which I will ascertain your identity and you will have to deal with the legal problems you are going to have very soon.
Lie however you like on this forum, but it will be to no avail. You've already deposited the information I need.
You think you're the first smug, arrogant dummy to get pinched? Better start looking for a new job. Yours is going to be gone SOON... :wave:
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What would you sue me for? guessing someone's first name and number of months they went to a school? THat is not threatening information nor is it anything important. Others have posted threats however. I have not. It doesnt matter if you get my IP. I am not affiliated with the school. I put two and two together and figured out who he was from attending the school awhile back. But I didnt threaten him in any way. I also know the Blaire they referred to in another post.
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can't we all just get along? :wstupid:
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On 2005-10-14 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What would you sue me for? guessing someone's first name and number of months they went to a school? THat is not threatening information nor is it anything important. Others have posted threats however. I have not. It doesnt matter if you get my IP. I am not affiliated with the school. I put two and two together and figured out who he was from attending the school awhile back. But I didnt threaten him in any way. I also know the Blaire they referred to in another post."
So you're a former "student," huh? Why are you so adamant about putting down others who have been abused like yourself? I think you've still got some big problems. Obviously HLA's little scam didn't help you.
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who the fuck cares waht any of you say :scared:
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On 2005-10-14 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What would you sue me for? guessing someone's first name and number of months they went to a school? THat is not threatening information nor is it anything important. Others have posted threats however. I have not. It doesnt matter if you get my IP. I am not affiliated with the school. I put two and two together and figured out who he was from attending the school awhile back. But I didnt threaten him in any way. I also know the Blaire they referred to in another post."
Releasing confidential information is illegal dumbfuck. Again though face facts, one you dont know who I am. Two even if you did why would a former student be interested in releasing that information about a former student. Three I havent given enough personal information about myself for you to determine my identity.
Irregardless claiming you were a former student wont work you fucked up and now youre going to face the consequences.
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My apologies previous post was mine.
Also I wanted to ask, you claimed you knew who Blaire was when "they" refered to him. Am I now more than one person? Silly Mrs. Gray.
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Maybe that person guessed your name or another poster on this board told them. But i dont see how you could sue that person. What would be the offense? What could you sue them for? I am curious
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releasing confidential information
as an employee of the school you can't do that
sucks don't it?
say i'm wrong and i will quote statute verbatim
dan pg 26
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oh and fyi
if i think i know who your saying robertbruce is
your talking about devin renner
he was in pg25
and i talk to devin quite regularly and i know for a fact he doesnt post on here
dan pg26
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Hmmmm... if you know Blaire then you must have been a student or worked there between '00 and '01? Does HIPPA really apply to HLA since they don't fall under JCHAO?
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HIPPA doesn't apply if the name was guessed by someone who is not an employee and didn't obtain information from student records.
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Perhaps but the fact remains that she did use student records. How else would she have corrobarated her evidence to state that she thought I was Devon. Further where would else would she have gotten the information about how long he was at the school. She is being tracked down, we are almost positive it is in fact Mrs. Gray and when her identity comes to life she will face the consequences of revealing personal information about a former student there without his permission.
Sucks to be her.
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If this person guessed at a name and number of months to see what your reaction would be, there is no crime. No personal information was given out. A first name and fictitious number of months is not personal information. Last names and their address, social security number, or phone or email address are personal information. Threatening a person or school with harm is a crime. Slander and Libel are crimes, but posting a first name and number of months? No.
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On 2005-10-16 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hmmmm... if you know Blaire then you must have been a student or worked there between '00 and '01? Does HIPPA really apply to HLA since they don't fall under JCHAO?"
Yes, of course HIPAA applies to HLA. They offer mental health treatment for money and some of it is paid by insurance.
I recently saw a news article that HLA was approved by JCHAO in the past month or so.
The bottom line is that if this person worked at the school and disclosed information about a client (it's against federal law to even say that person was ever a resident there) they're going to be in some trouble. More than likely they'll lose their job, get a stiff fine for violating federal confidentiality law and open an avenue for a lawsuit where HLA and this person are jointly and severally liable for damages.
Yeah, "guessing" a person's first name and length of stay is not a crime or tort. However, when ISP records are subpoenaed and all of this person's emails and postings are examined, it may bring to light quite a bit of information like maybe they told someone in a PM or an email about the identity of the client. Whether or not it was disclosed in an open forum means nothing. Even if it was revealed in private, there are going to be consequences for this person and HLA.
We'll just have to wait and see...
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On 2005-10-17 04:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If this person guessed at a name and number of months to see what your reaction would be, there is no crime. No personal information was given out. A first name and fictitious number of months is not personal information. Last names and their address, social security number, or phone or email address are personal information. Threatening a person or school with harm is a crime. Slander and Libel are crimes, but posting a first name and number of months? No. "
Think so huh? You arent nearly as smart as you think you are. She (and by she I mean probably you or Marty) She released information gained from confidential files about a student. The fact that she even has access to those files is a felony. Let me ask you, why are you now claiming that the amount of time listed for the student is fictitious? Are you now trying to back peddal? It wont work she released information gained illegally. She is going to face the consequences. Oh and just to clue you in, its only libel if you can prove what we said about the school isnt true. Which you cant. Good luck trying though. :wave:
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The problem with your theory is you don't know if the person got information from confidential files or not. You are supposing. If they have access to confidential files then yes it would be a violation of HIPPA if they released personal information such as full name or dates of attendance. If they guessed at a name and it happened to be correct, there is no felony in guessing correctly. The post you are referring to however, mentions a first name, and a number of months of attendance during the school's existance. No mention of any personal information or dates of attendance. And you yourself said this is not you, so why are you in such an uproar if this person is not you? I wouldn't worry about it too much just say its not you. Seems to me it is a guess at a name of someone they were acquainted with back then to see your reaction to their post.
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HEY DAN POSTED SOMEONE"S NAME ON HERE LETS SUE HIM TOO!!!!
:wstupid: :roll:
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On 2005-10-17 19:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The problem with your theory is you don't know if the person got information from confidential files or not. You are supposing. If they have access to confidential files then yes it would be a violation of HIPPA if they released personal information such as full name or dates of attendance. If they guessed at a name and it happened to be correct, there is no felony in guessing correctly. The post you are referring to however, mentions a first name, and a number of months of attendance during the school's existance. No mention of any personal information or dates of attendance. And you yourself said this is not you, so why are you in such an uproar if this person is not you? I wouldn't worry about it too much just say its not you. Seems to me it is a guess at a name of someone they were acquainted with back then to see your reaction to their post. "
Oh trust me I find all of this hysterical, so no Im not upset. I just find it funny to watch as you all dig your own grave. Youre making my attorneys job much much easier. No the person she listed is not me, however since the person she believed me to be apparently did not give his authorization to have his personal (yes first name and dates of attendance are personal) information revealed, and since she got the information illegally it would seem we do have a case. After all since we are fairly certian as to the identity of the poster and since that person was not a student, it would stand to reason she got the information from the student files, and as it would be highly illegal for her to even touch those files.....well you get my point. I dont know why youre bothering, there really isnt any way for you all to dodge this one.
Also Im curious since you didnt answer my question about libel, if you believe we are all lying, what does it matter what we say? Wont your product speak for itself and you would have no need to silence any naysayers?
Get back to me on that one.
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On 2005-10-17 19:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"HEY DAN POSTED SOMEONE"S NAME ON HERE LETS SUE HIM TOO!!!!
:wstupid: :roll: "
Yes idiot and theres no need to shout. Dan posted as a direct response to you attempting to reveal my identity. He was letting you know how stupid you are as he knows the person you were refering to, as well as knowing me. Thus he knows we are not one and the same. Further Dan did not garner his information illegally. He apparently attended HLA at the same time as the aforementioned student, and not in the same illegal manner you did.
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wow you guys all are law students! CRAZY!
oh wait no thats me.
basically its like this: if your a staff or ex staff ANY DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION IS A VIOLATION. END OF FUCKING STORY. FIRST NAME LAST NAME LENGTH OF STAY SIZE OF DICK DOESNT MATTER ANY INFORMATION IS AN ILLEGAL DISCLOSURE.
end of story.
dan pg26
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oh and i have no confidentiality restrictions.
i was not staff.
annnnnnnnnd i was there at the same time as devon, i could grab a photograph and be like "this is my friend devon from HLA" and that would be a big difference from disclosing information as a staff member
the best part of this is i know who robert bruce is and you are all so fucking stupid and gullible its hilarious. keep guessing, it gets funnier every time your wrong when the answer is right in front of your face.
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let me restate that
i have confidentiality restrictions when it comes to shit said in therapy
and certain things, but i can say the names of people that were there WITH ME i signed NO AGREEMENT to not say the names of anyone i was there with.
however, just as it is illegal for a private therapist to divulge patient names, it is illegal for staff at an institution.
i can pull out black's law dictonary, or lexis nexus or whatever you'd like.
and if you'd like it stuck up your ass, that could be arranged too.
oh this is where i get the "god your crude, god your immature, oh some lawyer you will be"
and this is where you see me not caring turds.
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The same person who wrote this:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =180#98232 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8631&forum=41&start=180#98232)
Also wrote these:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =70#140509 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=70#140509)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =80#140744 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=80#140744)
And a number of others in this thread dealing with the same issue.
Whadda ya say Shh? How did you gain knowledge of the student you spoke of? And why are you posting info on students as an ANON when you have a user name? Some of us would like to know since you've made a public spectacle. You could've avoided all this unpleasantry by tending to your business privately.
Attention: Before you answer, remember that you claim to be honest and trustworthy. Your reputation is at stake. Also remember that your response can and will be verified.
Was this you too Shh, or your sidekick?:
HIPPA doesn't apply if the name was guessed by someone who is not an employee and didn't obtain information from student records.
Well, let's see. Shh WAS an employee. She had (and apparently still has) access to student records/information via her connections. I'm guessing that she has an obligation to maintain confidentiality.
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While you're gettin' honest, wanna cop to writing these as well?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#140284 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=60#140284)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#140286 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=41&start=10#140286)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =70#140509 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=70#140509)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#140510 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=41&start=20#140510)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =70#140638 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=70#140638)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#140639 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=41&start=30#140639)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#140697 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=41&start=30#140697)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =80#140767 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=80#140767)
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Even though they provide "therapy," HLA remains an unlicensed entity that does not fall under the JCAHO umbrella. How does HIPPA apply? If they were a public school, FERPA (family educational rights and privacy act) would be applicable. I do agree that any disclosure by an employee would be inappropriate but I question which law it violates? At the least, it should violate HLA's own code of ethics and result in some form of disciplinary action. As for the identity of RB? Who cares, he should have the same right to speak his peace as anyone else. I guess since I know BK, and he know RB's true identity...I must know him too? Interesting... Although, I must say it's nothing worth losing sleep over. Keep the debate alive but please don't lose sight of the real issues at hand.
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Im sorry I dont believe I know any "BK" so no you probably dont know me. As to what laws it violates and what it doesnt Dan from pg 26 has laid that out for you very clearly. The same laws that would keep a therapist you saw from revealing any details about your sessions to the public force the current and former staff to keep their confidentiality about former students intact. Susie Gray chose to violate these laws, she was able to do so through her current contacts still at HLA. Will she give them up I wonder? She will if shes smart, but then again Bucci will likely try and sell her out first chance he gets and try and save his own ass. The best part about the whole thing is that for all for her hard work and for all of their illegal activities, they still got it wrong. I find that to be priceless.
So Mrs. Grey the truth is revealed, despite your desperate attempts to hide it (again typical HLA behavior). Will you stick around and try and cover it up or explain it away? Perhaps you'll simply evade the topic and jump to another one quickly to try and avoid the issue. But more than likely you'll simply sulk away claiming you were "attacked" and that you have "TWO disabled family members to take care of" or some other nonsense that none of care about. You'll of course do so in the pathetic (much like yourself) attempt to avoid paying the consequences for your actions. Its to late though, you got this ball rolling and now you have to deal with it. Good luck, youre going to need it. Seriously you may want to consider that option of rolling over on HLA, because I assure you they will not hesitate to do it to you.
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On 2005-10-19 14:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Even though they provide "therapy," HLA remains an unlicensed entity that does not fall under the JCAHO umbrella. How does HIPPA apply? If they were a public school, FERPA (family educational rights and privacy act) would be applicable. I do agree that any disclosure by an employee would be inappropriate but I question which law it violates? At the least, it should violate HLA's own code of ethics and result in some form of disciplinary action. As for the identity of RB? Who cares, he should have the same right to speak his peace as anyone else. I guess since I know BK, and he know RB's true identity...I must know him too? Interesting... Although, I must say it's nothing worth losing sleep over. Keep the debate alive but please don't lose sight of the real issues at hand."
Oh and while youre correct that HLA is an unlicenced facility, in order to avoid the consequences of this current action they would have to be willing to admitt that in open court. Which would in turn open up a whole new bad of problems. Unless of course HLA has remidied the situation, in which case all students who attended prior to the issue being fixed would still have a legitimate claim against them.
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Don't they gladly take Insurance Money for the 'treatment' they provide 'disabled' teens?
Don't parent take deductions on their tax returns for trips to visit their 'disabled' children?
Discrpencies abound.
From NATSAP re: HIPPA
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http://www.natsap.org/images/HIPAA-SpecialReport.pdf (http://www.natsap.org/images/HIPAA-SpecialReport.pdf)
NATSAP NEWS Special Report
?HIPAA? is coming. Ready?!
D. Eugene Thorne, Ph.D., J.D., Discovery Academy
For some months now, I?ve been hearing bits and pieces, then choruses, about this new federal mandate for health care providers. It is called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act? (HIPAA ? see 45 CFR Part 142). Now, I?m getting an even greater sense of urgency from these choruses. During a NATSAP Board meeting, I casually alerted our leaders. Alas, they asked that I ?write an article? about this new law and how it would impact our member institutions. No big deal, right? Wrong. I have
done a lot of searching study and still feel inadequate to provide definitive explanations and instructions.
But, ?striving to do my duty,? I have now attended several HIPAA-training sessions (given by attorneys and various health provider folks). I?ve read treatise on specific sections of the Act and several summaries from various professional organizations (e.g., APA). I have also read most of the Act itself (over 360 pages single-spaced), some of its early and recent legislative history, as well as the current efforts to revise it. There is now a movement under the HHS (?Health & Human Services?) allowing suggested revisions to be submitted during the period for NPRM (?Notice of Proposed Rule Making?) allowing, e.g., professionals and health provider organizations (such as NATSAP) to offer suggested changes before it is finally put into effect. Frankly, after seeing the complexity
and interaction between this Act and others, I suspect this Act will become a ?guaranteed full-employment Act? for attorneys!
As suggested, HIPAA is almost inexplicitly intertwined with other federal (e.g., ?FERPA?: Family Educational Right and Privacy Act, 20 U.S.C. 1232g, et seq.), state (e.g., Utah Mental Health Records Practices Act, UCA 58-60-102, et seq.), common law (case holdings; e.g., Tarrasoff v. Regents of the University of California, 529 P.2d 553 [1974]), etc.! I am now convinced that even a cursory review of this Act would require a ?covered entity? (i.e., any of our member institutions) a maximum-focused seminar lasting
a full-day or two by a ?HIPAA-expert.? And, I surely do not yet qualify as such an expert.
So, what is it that I can offer as a NATSAP NEWSLETTER ?article? that would at least be helpful to our membership?
Perhaps a few ?gems? that might awaken each of you to the importance of getting to know this legislation, and opportunity to allow our NATSAP Board to strongly recommend that you avail yourself of information that would help you begin to implement HIPAA specifics and nuances BEFORE this October 16th! So, here are a few ?tastes? of representative requirements and provisions for us
?health care providers.?
Though the Act actually became ?law? on April 14, this year (2002), it will not be imposed upon health care facilities and health care workers (similarly situated to our membership) until next year, April 14, 2003! Yet, each of our member institutions should seriously consider submitting to HHS (?Health & Human Services?) by October 16th, 2002 a ?compliance-plan? that will include how and when they are going to implement the Act?s provisions which would assure compliance by the ?03 deadline. Doing so may even qualify them for yet another one-year extension (April ?03 to ?04?), especially if they are a small health care provider (like a solo practitioner). HHS might also assist such entities with some of their critical preparations (e.g., forms, interpretations, etc.) so as to be HIPAA- qualified by its 2003 deadline.
Simply, HIPAA sets the floor of requirements for which health care providers use or disclose, ?protected health care information? (?PHI?) which is likely already protected to some degree from access, use, or disclosure in every state. HIPAA is essentially a privacy act, but it goes much further. For example, it appears, we will likely all be doing preemption analyses
whenever we consider providing access, use or disclosure of health care information. Such analyses must be individually and accurately exercised, (viz a viz, our unique settings and states). Sometimes, state law prevails, sometimes federal. At first blush, the key to preemption analysis seems to be: Does the Act restrict more disclosure and/or enable more patient access to PHI? If so, then the Act must prevail. And, this federal privacy rule provides for no use or disclosure of PHI unless it is permitted (see e.g., ?Consent? and ?Authorization? provisions) by the patient or certain circumstances enumerated within the Act.
When we receive a request for PHI, here are three general rules of thumb that help the decision whether to provide or permit access, use or disclosure: First, ?If its okay with the patient, its okay.? But, if we deem it is harmful to the patient, then great care and caution must be exercised before such access, use or disclosure. Err on the ?conservative side.? Second, Be sure to trace the authority of any and all persons (entities, etc.) even by way of subpoena, requesting access, use or disclosure of PHI. Some
subpoena?s are honored others are not. Third, ?If in doubt, check it out.? This is where the ?Guaranteed Attorney Employment Act? will likely come into play. Probably, we will all have to ?access? attorneys who should consult with, at least, our records staff, especially when questionable release or disclosure issues arise.
A greater latitude for use and disclosure of PHI emerges when the request is compatible with ?treatment, payment or health care operations? (TPO). One of the revisions urged in current NPRM (above) is to forego the requirement that ?covered entities? (e.g., health care providers) obtain signed patient consent before using or disclosing PHI, even in TPO situations. Exceptions would include emergencies, requests required by law, instances where the patient might not be able to communicate, (see other exceptions, e.g., 45 CFR sections 164.506).
HIPAA requires that we provide ?privacy notices? to all our patients (i.e., consumers of physical and mental health treatment, etc.). For example, as a ?header? for such notice, we might prominently display: ?THIS NOTICE DESCRIBES HOW
MEDICAL INFORMATION ABOUT YOU MAY BE USED AND DISCLOSED AND HOW YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THIS
INFORMATION. PLEASE REVIEW IT CAREFULLY.? The notice would provide examples of the types of uses and disclosures (e.g., TPO?s), descriptions of other purposes, whether any particular purpose might be prohibited, and, if so, a description of why.
Moreover, the patient (i.e., the ?consumer?) would be apprised of the fact and manner that he/she can give and revoke his/her authorization for such uses and disclosures.
Such ?notices? will also require that we explain to the consumer his/her rights to restrict certain uses and disclosures (though there are instances where the health care provider might not actually be required to honor certain requested restrictions). Our consumers shall be further informed by said notice of his/her rights as to receiving ?confidential communications? (otherwise protected), to inspect and copy his/her PHI, to amend his/her PHI, and to receive an accounting of all disclosures of his/her PHI.
Along with patient/consumer notices of rights dealing with uses and disclosures of his/her PHI, the patient must also provide written patient authorization that complies with some rather burdensome HIPAA requirements. ?Except as otherwise permitted or required by this subchapter, a covered entity may not use or disclose protected health information without an authorization that is valid under this section? (45 CFR 164.508). For example, there are special authorizations required when it comes to psychotherapy notes.
These are important. Such notes must be kept apart from the regular PHI. They are accessible for carrying out most TPO, for training purposes (interns/externs, etc.), and even for defense in legal actions. Our members ought to become conversant with those provisions of this Act as they (also state laws, etc.) relate to psychotherapy notes (viz a viz other PHI information).
In the Act, ?psychotherapy notes means notes recorded ... by a health care provider who is a mental health professional documenting ... contents ... counseling session or a group, joint, or family counseling session and that are separated from the rest of the individual?s medical record. Psychotherapy notes exclude medication prescription and monitoring, counseling session start and stop times, the modalities and frequencies of treatment furnished, results of clinical tests, and any summary of the following items: Diagnosis, functional status, the treatment plan, symptoms,
prognosis, and progress to date? (my emphases).
There are scads of other HIPAA provisions that our member institutions need to understand and implement. Space in a newsletter is far too sparse. Ultimately, each of us will need to implement aspects of this law, which also will require that we train relevant staff, install specified and reasonable safeguards, and outline for our consumers their ?rights? and the methods for their pursuing ?grievances,? etc. We need to train all members of our workforce regarding the stringent demands of PHI records and information. We should start by identifying our key records-related personnel, and we need to appoint and designate our institution?s privacy officer. The ?plan? (above) ought to so inform HHS (and others) who will take primary responsibility to know and assure compliance with 45 CFR Part 2. Forms for consent and authorization (HHS will provide some) for contracts with ?business
associates? also should be developed.
Much is riding on our quick learning and implementation! This Act provides for monetary penalties to those who are not in compliance or who violate compliance requirements. An organization or individual health provider can be fined ?... not more than $100 per person per violation and not more than $25,000 per person for violations of a single standard for a calendar year.? Scarier, criminal fines ?...of not more than $50,000 and/or imprisonment of not more than 1 year.., [and] if the offense is with intent to sell, transfer, or use individually identifiable health information for commercial advantage, personal gain, or malicious harm, a fine of not more that $250,000 and/or imprisonment of not more than 10 years....? (my emphases). Hope I got your attention? Good luck!
Helpful references
1. Administrative Simplification (www.aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/ (http://www.aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/))
2. Also from, http://www.apa.org/practice/th_2001.speech.html (http://www.apa.org/practice/th_2001.speech.html) ?Safeguarding Privacy and Confidentiality in the Digital Age, Newman,
Russ. (Insert HIPAA in search)
3. Also, http;//www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa. ?National Standards to Protect the Privacy of Personal Health information.?
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Well I seem to hear all of this talk about white people being racist in metro Atlanta Georgia. Have you people ever been to the heart of Atlanta? The thug life rapper ghetto's. Try being white and going to the store there at 1:30 am. It is just as racist as these small white towns you speak of. Racism is alive and always will be alive. Whites hate Blacks, Blacks hate Whites.. basically everyone hates everyone and everyone is out for theirselves. You can be politically correct and say color is not an issue, but im here to tell you.. in Georgia it is.
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Hmm.
It?s my understanding that racism (as are all other isms) is one way- the systematic oppression of one group by another group. In other words, whites have always oppressed blacks, or anyone of color for that matter.
What you are experiencing in the ?rapper ghetto? is not racism, because as of yet, blacks have never systematically oppressed whites.
You are experiencing perhaps, plain ol' indignant resentment- blacks in reaction to being oppressed by whites. Misplaced as it may be, it's not even prejudice because there is cause/grounds for the judgment/anger.
I hate that. I find that I avoid those neighborhoods because I don?t want to be mistakenly identified as ?whitey?, the one responsible for the oppression they and their ancestors endured.
Besides, whites don?t want people of color in their neighborhoods unless they?re providing lawn, maid or pool service. Why would you think they?d want you (given you?re white) in their hood? Personally, I?d wait for an invite.
Not all whites hate blacks, and blacks, whites. But there is still a lot of racial tension for sure, and I can only imagine that Atlanta could have some pretty hot spots.
Seen Bullworth? Great movie and interesting cure for ending racism.
This society oppresses teens. The teen warehouse industry is predicated on 'adultism'- the systematic (but often obscure) mistreatment (neglect, commodification, etc) of kids by adults. Would it make sense to you to say that kids in reaction to that are exhibiting reverse 'adultism'? Or, in reaction to 'age oppression'?
ISMS go one way. The reaction to an ISMS is not an ISM- not even the 'reverse' of an ISM. Does that make sense?
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Isnt that funny, some anonymous person comes on here and wants to change the subject. Hmmmm it makes you wonder doesnt it?
Mrs. Gray still waiting for you. Marty would you like to add your two cents?
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id love to hear what hidden lake's "lawyer" has to say.
careful pal, anything you say can be used against you.
disbarred, what?
dan pg26
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Who is HLA's Lawyer?
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It used to be Marty Quirck.
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Oh it still is, Im sure hed like to hear from us.
Martin G. Quirk of Quirk & Quirk lawfirm
450 Buckhead Centre
2964 Peachtree Rd NW
Atlanta, GA 30305-4927
(404) 237-5595
Give him a call I know hed love to hear from us.
Oh and Marty (he likes to be called Marty) I know how you love to read these things, dont try and threaten me about posting your contact information. I got it off of a public forum listing attorney's in GA. Have a nice day.
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I live in Cumming, and we are about 12 miles
south of Dawsonville by the way, and where I
live there is no problem with black people
living here.
I live in an upscale neighborhood and have
black neighbors who are friends of ours.
They have said that they were called the
"N" word in front of Walmart of all places.
I think the whole 'Forsyth County being a
white county' thing is very outdated.
This is 2005, not 1960!!!!
These people need to get a life.
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thats just cuz your a fucked up negro, and you dont give a damn bout anyone else, some people want to help others not have to go through what we went through. your still a bad ass tho
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^that was referring to ma boy max's comment
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =180#98232 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8631&forum=41&start=180#98232) On 2005-04-26 18:45:00, SHH wrote:
"............... I was a former clerical employee and former spouse of an employee, and a resident for 4 years.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =80#140744 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=80#140744)
On 2005-10-14 08:38:00, SHH posting Anon wrote:
"I dont work for HLA. I didnt use anybodys full name. Only first name. They feel free to publish some lady named Mrs. Gray's name. Also Karen's info. All I did was show Devon I knew who he was since he keeps on claiming nobody knows. It was a point I was making, not a threat of any kind. I am not associated with the school in any way. "
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =80#140767 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=80#140767)
On 2005-10-14 10:02:00, SHH posting Anon wrote:
"What would you sue me for? guessing someone's first name and number of months they went to a school? THat is not threatening information nor is it anything important. Others have posted threats however. I have not. It doesnt matter if you get my IP. I am not affiliated with the school. I put two and two together and figured out who he was from attending the school awhile back. But I didnt threaten him in any way. I also know the Blaire they referred to in another post."
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It's all gonna come out. I saw some REALLY interesting ones, but I figured some of you guys would be more eager to go through them and post 'em back up.
Any other anons want to come clean? :lol:
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I am assuming you are going to do this with everyone who has posted anon? Or is it just the ones who ask for you to? What is the criteria that you are using to determine who to out?
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She asked SHH's permission.
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On 2006-01-18 13:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am assuming you are going to do this with everyone who has posted anon? Or is it just the ones who ask for you to? What is the criteria that you are using to determine who to out?"
Sweating bullets Robert Sullivan?
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That's correct. W/ your permission, and subject to technical limitations, I can do this for any anon poster.
Your case is a little different. I'd have to get either authorization from the entity which contracts your net access for all the IPs in use by it OR confirmation from each IP claiming ownership or authorship of the posts in question. I'm guessing you have a bunch of different people using a range of addresses from the same lan and/or local dialup. It might be technically complicated. But if ya'll really want it, I guess I'm game.
For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute
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On 2006-01-18 13:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 13:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am assuming you are going to do this with everyone who has posted anon? Or is it just the ones who ask for you to? What is the criteria that you are using to determine who to out?"
Sweating bullets Robert Sullivan?"
Yes. I am very scared.
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No she did not ask SHH's permission.
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By the way, who is Robert Sullivan?
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On 2006-01-18 14:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No she did not ask SHH's permission."
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =40#165634 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13488&forum=41&start=40#165634)
This is SHH
Posted: 2006-01-18 07:39:00
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Well since I didnt threaten anybody anonymously or otherwise, I could care less if you find posts that are mine or not.
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On 2006-01-18 14:04:00, SHH posting Anon wrote:
"No she did not ask SHH's permission."
Oh, you lyin sack o' shit!There is no devil and no hell. Thy soul will be dead even sooner than thy body: fear therefore nothing any more.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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On 2006-01-18 14:06:00, SHH posting Anon wrote:
"By the way, who is Robert Sullivan?"
Take a wild guess.
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On 2006-01-18 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 14:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No she did not ask SHH's permission."
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =40#165634 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13488&forum=41&start=40#165634)
This is SHH
Posted: 2006-01-18 07:39:00
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Well since I didnt threaten anybody anonymously or otherwise, I could care less if you find posts that are mine or not. "
Yeah, she gave consent alright.
This just goes to show exactly how full of shit she is, and she's not the only one. You've got a few anons (who'd like you to believe that they are many satisfied customers, etc.) just doing damage control and trying to make others look bad by posting derrogatory falso information about them.
You've got abc123 who is a HUGE liar and posts anonymously with a few "split personalities." Then you've got Kathleen, HLA's marketing director, who uses her name while behaving oh-so-responsibly and then she turns right around and posts incredibly irresponsible and inflammatory comments while "anonymous."
I wonder, Kathleen and abc123, would you mind if the administrator compiled your posts, both anon and signed?
Get back to me on that. I'll make the arrangements.
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On 2006-01-18 14:04:00, SHH posting Anon wrote:
"No she did not ask SHH's permission."
This is HILARIOUS. You've been outed already, you fucking weirdo! You can't hide, but you STILL try to post anon and refer to yourself in the third person!
TOO MUCH!
Lady, you are seriously mentally ill.
Let me summarize for you: NO MORE ANON POSTS. You might as well log in already.
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Whats up DJ my nigga! :tup:
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That was me that posted that yes, I wasnt hiding, I didnt have time to log in. And no she did not ask my permission to tie my name to every anon post ive made in the past 9 months. What I said was I dont care if you knew those were me or not, but, I did NOT give explicit permission for that. That is NOT what that post meant at all.
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On 2006-01-18 15:28:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Whats up DJ my nigga! :tup: "
Yo, Short Bus! Dude, where ya been? You've been missing all the good stuff.
Nice to see you here again, bro. Take a read. You're sure to get a better laugh out of this that you ever got out of RB.
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On 2006-01-18 15:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That was me that posted that yes, I wasnt hiding, I didnt have time to log in. And no she did not ask my permission to tie my name to every anon post ive made in the past 9 months. What I said was I dont care if you knew those were me or not, but, I did NOT give explicit permission for that. That is NOT what that post meant at all. "
How come her "SHH POSTING AS ANON" Screen name didnt show up on this one????
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Yea dude, Ive been gone for a few days, this shit is crazy bro!! :lol: :lol:
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Well, nice to have you back. I love this guy.
Katie, bar the door! Short Bus, the ultimate delinquent, is back in the house!
When are we going out for that V & T, my man?
You said you're ten minutes outside the city. Is that north, east or west?
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West..Which Vodka do you prefer? Ketel One is the best shit out there.
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Wheres Brucey B been ?? :lol:
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On 2006-01-18 15:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That was me that posted that yes, I wasnt hiding, I didnt have time to log in. And no she did not ask my permission to tie my name to every anon post ive made in the past 9 months. What I said was I dont care if you knew those were me or not, but, I did NOT give explicit permission for that. That is NOT what that post meant at all. "
Log in, Cybill. :idea:
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On 2006-01-18 15:38:00, Short Bus wrote:
"West..Which Vodka do you prefer? Ketel One is the best shit out there."
Hey drop me a PM and we'll discuss getting together for a belt or two. I don't want to distract from the outstanding topical discussion today.
Ketel One is a badass vodka. You are correct, sir.
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Fuck yes, delicious vodka indeed. Now, where the fuck is SHH Posting As Anon?? This shit is getting better everyday! Wheres the Brucey Bee Boy??? :rofl:
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She was operating under the assumption it couldnt be done.
So what about you Short Bus? Do you want your anon post revealed. Then we can see all the time you spent talking to yourself...because youre so alone.
Oh I dont want to upset you to much, you might try some of your "black magic" :scared:
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Now boys...
Short Bus is the ultimate delinquent. He can't be tamed nor made to account for anything. Mindfuck factories couldn't touch him. How could I possibly get any further than they did?
I've given up on trying to shape his behavior. I'm really happy that he's logging in. That's about all we could hope for.
I'm gonna go out for a few drinks with ol' Shorty and shoot some racks of pool. I've given up on trying to change this guy. Instead I'm just gonna hang out with him and let him be himself: the ultimate delinquent. I'll just keep my wallet in my front pocket and lock my watch in the car. It'll work out just fine.
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On 2006-01-18 15:31:00, Short Bus wrote:
How come her "SHH POSTING AS ANON" Screen name didnt show up on this one????"
Oh, I'm only changing existing posts. That one came after.
But Suzanne (or whatever you prefer, honestly) some of the new posts may switch over. I guess you don't understand how ADSL works, but it does take a bit of time to locate all those old posts and to ensure that there's no coincidental overlap from another poster in the same telco area. So if I find old posts w/ the same IP, they all go over at the same time.
Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger, 1916, Ch.9
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Life is an aimless drive that you take alone..
Might as well enjoy the ride, take the long way home.
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Good for you Short Bus youve learned about other peoples words.
Now how about we discuss your words and look at each and every one of your anon post.
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On 2006-01-18 17:21:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Good for you Short Bus youve learned about other peoples words.
Now how about we discuss your words and look at each and every one of your anon post. "
I already said no you fucking stalker. How can you hold a grudge, when you can't even hold a job?
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WTF?
You must really be getting flustered now Short Bus, youre becoming delusional.
1. I hold no grudges.
2. I have a good job.
Now stop being a cowardly little bitch and let us see the post.
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No ya fucking wierdo. Stop stalking me man, your bugging me out :scared: :lol: faggot :lol:
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Then tell us why youre so afraid.
What are you afraid we will see?
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On 2006-01-18 16:49:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Now boys...
Short Bus is the ultimate delinquent. He can't be tamed nor made to account for anything. Mindfuck factories couldn't touch him. How could I possibly get any further than they did?
Steve, have you made arrangements for the SIBS-mobile? You know which Steve I'm talking to. ::kiss:: :em:
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Uh oh is that Short Bus youre refering to?
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On 2006-01-18 19:32:00, The Alterboy wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 16:49:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Now boys...
Short Bus is the ultimate delinquent. He can't be tamed nor made to account for anything. Mindfuck factories couldn't touch him. How could I possibly get any further than they did?
Steve, have you made arrangements for the SIBS-mobile? You know which Steve I'm talking to. ::kiss:: :em: "
I'll be glad to dispatch the StraightMobile? immediately...just PM me with the location.