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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Alana on March 23, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
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Do you honestly think there is a troubled teen program anywhere that doesn't have a few kids complaining? Get a grip! Look at the numbers!
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from what I hear, the criminal investigation has MERIT, if criminal charges aren't filed, certainly civil depositions will certainly disclose the facts.........just ask OJ ALANA..........or was he innocent????
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I think Joey and his parents might just disagree with you. I think you're the one who needs to get a grip. You appear to have your head in the sand. We were told outright lies by the Sudweeks. It has nothing to do with a kid complaining.
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On 2005-03-23 14:42:00, Alana wrote:
"Do you honestly think there is a troubled teen program anywhere that doesn't have a few kids complaining? Get a grip! Look at the numbers!"
so "a few" kids being abused in a program is ok? that is bullshit. ONE case of abuse in one school should result in some staff firings and restructuring. more than one abuse case in a school as small as most of these places and you know that there is something seriously wrong with the place.
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I love the SUDWEEKS, we communicated well, my daughter is doing great, some people speak well of the SUDWEEKS, helping troubled teens is tough, troubled teens complain, just the same stuff that goes on in normal homes, ALL PRIOR QUOTES!!!
NONE of the above justifies or suggests any imaginable condoning (OF REASONABLE PERSONS, therefore ALANA is excused) the following documented events::: SUDWEEKS (Whitmore owner/operators)initiated assaults on a fourteen year old student. EXTREME VERBAL ABUSE, NEGLECT,BULLYING, and other TACTICS were used by the SUDWEEKS or at their direction to ???????
The boy sustained numerous, documented injuries (REFER to medical reports/records??)several local and state angencies initiated investigations of numerous suspected criminal allegations, EX CETRA, EX CETRA.........OH ........forget the whole event, we know the numbers........
TROUBLED YOUTH COMPLAIN.....thanx for the input
ALANA (DeGarmo women)
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What do you mean LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, lady.
One kid abused is way too many.
IS one kid abused OK with YOU?
Then how about if that ONE KID WAS TORI? That ok with you???? Didn't think so.
Well it's way more than one child there at the Whitmore. Maybe while you have your daughter home, you might spend some quality time with her, and talk with her and find out what really goes on there. Maybe, just maybe she will talk to you honestly, the way our kids do. Believe me, it isn't pretty.
Not one parent sent their child to Whitmore to have him or her abused. NOT ONE!
You might want to consider keeping your daughter at home. That might be what you should be working on, instead of defending a couple of child abusers.
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Reading on Teen Industry Thread: interesting things...big connection with Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E and Dr. Bernie Farrow at Whitmore...big question about his creditials when he was fired at Cedar Mountain Academy...Maybe not really DR??? My My... Wonder how the Sudweeks found this new "therapist" or whatever his real job is there at Whitmore.
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Whitmore mom,
You sound like the Kool aide drinkers who love the WWASP Program. They thinkl wwasp os great too. I wouldnt tell anyone.
Someday you will be open to the truth.
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Alana,
Serious question; how long have you been reading this forum? I haven't checked and wouldn't know the difference between yours and anyone else's hits from your location anyway. I just wonder if you are aware of how this conversation has come to this point, or if you're really in the dark about a lot of things that have transpired.
Here's just one example. This is the topic headed INTIMIDATION
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=35&42 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8568&forum=35&42)
Here's the 10th message:
Did you forget leah? You told us all about your family secrets, and if you dont stop i will tell them all, if you are going to tell lies about us, its going to backfire on you. and what do you want us to do, rescue you like you have been your whole life? so you can turn into your grandpa?
This post appears to have come from the Whitmore location (at least ppl have posted from that account saying they're at the Whitmore and I have no reason to doubt them on that)
How do you feel about this kind of behavior? I mean, you're on great terms w/ the Suds today. But what if that ever changed? Does it occure to you that if you ever found yourself at odds w/ them they'd do the same to you and Tori?
If there's a worse idea going than locking people up for drug use, it's probably locking them up in close proximity to some tyranical altruist who wants to 'help' them with a problem that probably doesn't exist
-- Ginger Warbis
having had about all the help I can stand!
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What goes on at Whitmore does not go on in "normal homes."
Normal parents do not have siblings gang up on one child and beat him/or her.
Normal parents do not single out one child and have the rest of the family have GROUP ON THIS CHILD and humiliate the child to the point of tears.
Normal families have regular meals, and do not punish children by withholding food.
Normal families have regular sleep habits, and are not kept up all hours of the night by a raving mother who wants everyone up "talking troughout the night" about issues that concern HER.
Normal families do not skip breakfast and lunch just because they are going out to eat dinner at a buffet where they can "pig out."
Normal families have REAL SCHOOL for their kids.
Normal mothers do not spit in her children's face.
Normal mothers do not call their daughters names like slut..whore...bitch.
These are some of the behaviors that take place at Whitmore---these behaviors are far from NORMAL, ALANA!!!!
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Alana Mommy, don't you have a son home from Iraq and your daughter home from that horrid Whitmore? Why don't you try entertaining them instead of making a fool of yourself spending your time on this site trying to defend the UN-defendable behaviors and actions of the Sudweeks?
Don't your children deserve at least that? Surely Cheryl will forgive you.
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You need some help ALANA??.....ready class?
your not the problem, the concern appears to be your reckless statements of support for the SUDWEEKS based upon your limited experience (association) with the SUDS........now, suppose the SUDS lie to TORI, thus TORI'S information relayed to you proves to be, ER, a LIE.
IGNORE the LIES originating from the SUDS........ok, but wouldn't it be prudent of YOU to confront the SUDS regarding the abuse charges, daily routines, living conditions, neglect, poor sanitary practices...........wouldn't your blind support begin to waiver???????...........oh, WE hear the SUDS stole money from several families..............several tens of thousands.........question THAT?????
the SUDS are full of lies and deceit......worthy of your support..........your GOOD?? name and reputation..........I think not.....................
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You are right Anon.
Just one question at a time from Alana, or any parent should make them see the Suds in a clear way. Examples:
Cheryl, why do you spit in my child's face?
Cheryl, why do you monitor my child's communications..emails, phone calls, mail?
Cheryl, why do you curse my child?
Cheryl, why do you hit my chid?
Cheryl, why do you lead group therapy when you
know you are not qualified to do so?
Cheryl, why do you sleep deprive my child?
Cheryl, why isn't my child fed adequately?
Cheryl, why isn't my child being educated as promised?
Cheryl, why doesn't the plumbing work properly?
Cheryl, why do you humiliate kids by reading their journals, emails from home publicly?
Cheryl, why do you force my child to go to the Mormon Church?
Cheryl, why do you leave my child unsupervised?
Cheryl, why do you misbehave in public, and force kids to lie to the police about your behaviors?
Cheryl, why do you allow kids to see you in your underwear?
That's a few questions Cheryl Sudweeks should be required to answer honestly to every parent who has a child at Whitmore Academy.
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Alana, why don't you provide these worried parents with the cell phone numbers of the Suds so these parents can call their kids? The Suds wouldn't mind, would they?
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Alana,
modern, strong, fearless woman??????...show some leadership.......contempt prior to investigation is IGNORANCE.........YOUR NOT IGNORANT ARE YOU???
Heard you were an educated, professional woman....now now..demonstrate some social responsibity........SUDS LIES begining to arrive.........now your suddenly without an opinion????????.........want TORI to grow, model the strength you seem convinced you possess.
dig deep.......your probably a well intentioned person who has just been FOOLED.....call them on their crap............we who know will support you.........
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a girl who gets in trouble and has to sit on the shelf gets spit in her pb&j sandwich. i dont think that is very hygenic.
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On 2005-03-25 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"a girl who gets in trouble and has to sit on the shelf gets spit in her pb&j sandwich. i dont think that is very hygenic."
Is that firsthand info? I don't want to bust you out, but if you can answer that w/o giving away too much, I'd apreciate it.Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves. When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe. -- My First Summer in the Sierra , 1911, page 110.
John Muir
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or how about having to eat moldy food, or not eating anything at all as a punishment? or ramen noodles for days on end. this was also done during time on the shelf or "ledge." i know a girl that had to stay on the ledge for days and was only allowed to come down to use the bathroom 1 or 2 times a day. yes her food was spit in too.
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This Cheryl woman sounds like a mental case..
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Where is this "ledge" and what did she "DO" that was considered bad enough for type of punishment. Who directed her to the "ledge" and who directed that someone spit in her food?
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Re Cheryl, you got it.
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to answer antigen it is 1st hand info because the kid that spit in it told me he did
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My kid told me the same story, months before it ever appeared on this forum.
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I appreciate your point of view. I'm just saying that absolutely NOTHING has been substantiated. Everything flying around on this website about abuse are allegations that are as yet completely unsubstantiated. If in fact they are substantiated, I will respectfully appreciate the postings; I am merely sharing my own experience and that of my daughter. I am not sharing allegations, accusations, hyperbole, or the like. I am sharing my actual experience. I didn't now Cheryl and Mark from Adam and Eve. All I am saying is that they saved my daughter, and MY experience has been noting but positive. Why would I change my mind over some hysteria and unsubstantiated accusations? As I have previously stated, no program is for everyone. I just think all the hype and hysteria should not be what people base their opinions on. I am also not saying that abuse is okay. We must realize, though, that there is a wide spectrum of behavior and perceptions. All we can do is trust our instincts. Taking allegations as fact, though, is - to me - premature and unnecessary - not to mention destructive. There was a time when my daughter thought being grounded was abusive. Parents are entitled to their views. I'm just giving mine here.
Let the facts speak for themselves. I do believe, though, that if any children were in real danger, the authorities would have taken swift action, and my daughter would want to leave there. That is not the case. The facts as they are REMAIN: Some people love The Whitmore; some people do not. It has worked miracles for our family.
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We're just going to have to disagree on this one, Joyce. You are entitled to your views. I just don't happen to think that what the Sudweeks do is abusive. I can only base my opinions on the outcome I have seen in my own daughter, and I respect your right to your opinion.
The program isn't for everyone. Each parent has to do what he or she feels is right for the child. I have made my decision, and you have made yours. Nobody wants to be in our position in the first place. I just don't think all the hysteria is warranted. You and I speak from our experience. There's nothing wrong with that, is there?
I will continue to be grateful to Mark & Cheryl for what they have done for me and for Tori.
I wish you and your child well, and hopefully there is a place that will work for you and your family.
All the best,
Alana
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I have seen the truth, and I have a daughter who has lost her death wish and found her spirit.
That's all I asked for, and that's what I got.
I'm just a grateful mom.
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You are entitled to your opinion. In the meantime, my child has been home several times and is completely open and honest.
She has not been abused. That's all I can speak to. I will not buy into the hysteria and unsubstantiated accusations.
We can only base our opinions on our own experience. I wish you luck with yours.
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That is of course, if the abuse is sunstantiated. So far, no charges have been filed. If the allegations are proved, I will be the first to understand if parents wig out.
In the meantime, my faith in the Sudweeks is unshaken. Sorry. No hysteria here. Just a grateful mom.
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I respect your right to your opinion. It won't change mine.
All the best.
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As I have said, I am entitle to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. I just wish everyone could find the peace that we have found, and we owe it to the Sudweeks. If your child is in a program, I hope it works. That's what this is all about.
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If you have a child and you find a program that works for you, I wish you the best of luck.
I continue to support the Sudweeks based on my own personal experience. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.
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My hope for you is that you get rid of your anger and get help for your child. If you don't have a child at The Whitmore, you cannot speak from personal experience. If you are a parent who removed their child from The Whitmore, I can only hope that you find a program that works for you and your child, and I can only hope that you obtain the results that the Sudweeks have given us.
Good luck to you.
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Alana,
You need not speak directly to me.
I am not the only parent who has filed charges against the Sudweeks.
I am not the only parent who posts here and relates the abuses their child has suffered at the Whitmore, not by a long shot. I am just one that uses her name.
What has been posted here stating the out right abuses suffered by VARIOUS STUDENTS is truth--and most of them are abuses other students were subjected to over a long period of time. Many of the students are home now, going to college--but they have talked to the authorites in Utah revealing the abuses they suffered by the Sudweeks...so it is NOT MY views. I do not know these former students, and I do not talk to other people's children. That is not my place.
I would never make the same mistake TWICE--my daughter will never be placed in another "boarding school."
I feel very sorry for the kids who are being manipulated still--and who will be facing the legal consequecies of their involvment in the Sudweeks backlash against parents.
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My, my, what anger. I hope you find the peace that you so clearly need.
Thank you for asking - my visit with my children was wonderful. We spent nearly every minute of 10 days together. Tori and I visited this site for the same reason most other people do - for an exchange of opinions. I have given mine, which I base on my own experience. Isn't that what this site is for? Or is it only for those who breed hysteria and hyperbole? Tori is grateful to the Sudweeks for helping her find her spirit. Our entire family is grateful.
We are happy - I just hope that you can find that happiness, too; if not at The Whitmore then at whatever place works for you.
Best of luck.
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You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. I remain grateful to the Sudweeks and they never did anything that I found unacceptable. I am aware of all the accusations. I'm just a grateful mom and nobody will take that away from me. That's a gift from the Sudweeks that nobody can put a price on.
I just hope you can find a program or a path that gives you the same. I wish that for everyone who is a struggling teen or is a family member of one.
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Who said I was angry?
You sound a bit like the Whitmore people.
If anyone differs with any of you---you name call or accuse people of being angry.
No. We state facts. That is not anger. It is facts.
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Alana think there a question for you on "Alana, simple question" care to answer that one?
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Antigen,
I have replied to your messages, but I'm not seeing them on here. Where do I find them?
Thank you.
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I'm sorry, Joyce. I thought that we could have a civil dialogue. Again, I respect your right to your opinion.
You can choose not to respect mine. That is fine. I don't need vindication and I don't need to prove my point to anyone on this site. It is a forum for opinions - or so I thought.
I apologize if I offended you. As I've said before, I wish you nothing but the best.
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I have never claimed to speak for the Sudweeks. Everyone has to deal with this in their own way.
I'm not responsible for others' issues - but I was under the impression that this was a forum to speak our opinions. I'm merely giving mine. To my knowledge, that does not require my working to provide phone numbers.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence ("modern," "strong," "fearless" - none of which I claim to be). Sorry - I won't take the bait here. I have no need to dig deeper. I am responsible for my daughter and that's what I focus on. Again, I respect your right to your opinion. Reality is not ignorance. I am not accusing the accusers of being ignorant or making things up or anything else. I understand that they have opinions.
Likewise, I have mine. In my opinion, the Sudweeks rock. Sorry - we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Respectfully,
Alana
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Alana,
I am not offended.
But, I do not need advice about my daughter.
You directed you comments to me, and I was not even posting. I am not the only parent who expresses comments/opinions here; and when I do, I use my name- as you do.
I do have a problem accepting any sincerity in your statement that "you wish me the best." Perhaps it is a sincere statement, I have no way of knowing. I do know that other supporters of the Sudweeks have called my home with threatening phone calls. My family has received threatening emails. And we are waiting for the FBI to let us know exactly who invaded our computer system. We have received attempts at blackmail from information stolen from our computer. So, I do not have a lot of confidence in Sudweeks' supporters at this moment. Hopefully you can understand.
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Again, I understand your opinion. You bring up a good point. If that happened to my daughter, I might ask a few questions. On balance, though, some spit in peanut butter was the least of my worries when my daughter entered The Whitmore. I considered us lucky to have her alive. Everything is relative. As I've said, what is acceptable to one parent might offend another. I had bigger issues. I'm not condoninig what you describe; I did not see that in relation to my daughter. If that were her biggest problem when she was at The Whitmore, I'd have been thrilled. You can judge that any way you'd like. In the big scheme of life and death, something like that would have to take it's place way down the list. Additionally, I would question everything my daughter told me at the time. By her own admission, she lied and manipulated, as do many other teens. I'm not saying the child in this discussion did that. I'm just responding. Spit in pb&j is indeed not healthy. Suicide is worse.
I can only speculate how I'd feel based on what I was going through when I sent my daughter to The Whitmore. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. I certainly understand the parent who would be upset. I was just facing bigger issues.
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Absolutely. I do understand, and my wishes are sincere. I thought you would know that from our previous communications and from my willingness to cooperate with your requests. (Perhaps that wasn't you?? If not, the culprit sent me even more messages.)
I would never give advice to you about your daughter. I simply wish you peace and the best for you and your family.
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After we communicated and you sent me those emails...even more came? Wow!
I still have that email address open (but I no longer use it) if you want to forward them.
Then thank you for your wishes for our family.
I am happy that you son came home safely from Iraq too. That was nice news to read, too.
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Alana, you write:
On balance, though, some spit in peanut butter was the least of my worries when my daughter entered The Whitmore.
OK - maybe this was down on your list of worries - but surely you don't consider it a non issue?
*If its True* (and *I* don't know that it is) this is extremely gross, degrading and dangerous to the kid's health.
Think about it - if you learned that your daughter was in line in the local school's cafeteria, and the lunch lady picked up her plate of food and spit in it, as a consequence for having called the teacher a buffoon, Would you not be outraged?
And this is a free public education meal; Not one your paying out the waazoo for.
I wonder, were you informed prior to enrolment that degradation and humiliation and health risks were part of the program? Did anyone tell you about the spit consequence?
*If this is true* about the spitting in the food (and *I* don't know that it is)
it is absolutely appalling and inexcusable.
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Note that Alana SEEMS to just be happy that her daughter came out of the program at Whitmore ALIVE.
Most parents sent their child to Whitmore to be educated and for therapy for their specific "problem."
DO NOT BELIEVE any parent thought the ultimate goal was for their kid to merely "survive and come out with their life intact!!!!!"
Not one parent I know signed up their child for ANY type of ABUSE. We had a contract that stated NO PHYSICAL ABUSE IS ALLOWED.
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Thank you. The ones I forwarded to you were the last (and only) ones I received, so you have everything. I will, of course, forward any more should I receive any. I hope we've heard the last from whoever it is, though.
Thank you again for your good wishes.
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Weak Alana,
no social or moral commitment..........resposibility???....I got mine attitude..........watch out for number one????????.....Florida trailer TRASH????...which is it????
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On 2005-03-29 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
DO NOT BELIEVE any parent thought the ultimate goal was for their kid to merely "survive and come out with their life intact!!!!!"
Oh, I do believe that. I think most of the parents who buy into the troubled parent industry are scared to death when they do. The industry feeds on that fear, stokes it to the max and then offers a magical, miracle cure for the low low price of [well, how much have ya' got?] But act now before your kid is DEAD!! I just think they and their kids would be far better off if they would just call Miss Cleo and leave the poor kids out of it.
All thinking men are atheists.
--Ernest Hemingway, American author
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Really? Some parents do buy into that? Poor Alana, then. Being so grateful that Tori came out "alive," that this mother can just overlook food being spit into and all the other abuses being spelled out for her. That is something else. With this type of mindset, her daugher will probably never tell her what really went on at Whitmore. This girl works there now, too. They really got the program, I suppose.
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I might be disgusted. I might not. Again, though, I was in a different situation than you or whomever you know are. I've seen teenagers do disgusting things - much worse than spit in peanut butter. I have a different perspective than you do. If one, two, or a few more kids said it happened, and others said it didn't, I certainly wouldn't leap to conclusions. I also take every bit of "drama" that troubled teens report with more than a few grains of salt.
Like I said, I have my opinion and this forum is the very LAST thing that would alter it, particularly given the hostile, dramatic, hysteria-prone postings by a very few. For any teen program, I would absolutely expect a number of teens to complain. Scores of children have been at The Whitmore over the years. Of course a few will allege abuse. Am I saying abuse is okay? Of course not! I'm just saying that I need to see a heck of lot more before I believe it. The same is true for parents. Some parents - out of scores of parents - will hate the program.
I'm happy because I'm not trying to get anyone to change their opinion. Others are unhappy because I'm not conforming to their view. I'm simply pointing out that we are ALL entitled to our views. That seems to be very hard for some to take.
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If your goal is convince everyone of your opinion instead of merely voicing it and allowing others to speak theirs, you are wasting your time. Your anger is showing through. There are still plenty of parents that disagree with you - in fact - there are dozens and dozens. Demonstrating your anger by using all caps won't do the trick. You and your little vigilante group can just keep on going; the rest of us are at peace.
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I do not know where you people live etc. But I have never witnessed anyone ever spitting in anyone's food in my entire life. I have never seen anyone, except perhaps a toddler who does not know better, spit on another human being. It is absolutely unaccceptable behavior, it is disgusting, it is demeaning, and it is unhealthy. NOTHING said can explain away this type of behavior. It is unacceptable, PERIOD. Please do not even try to explain away Cheryl Sudweeks spitting in a student's face, or allowing anyone to spit in a student's food. It can not be explained away under any circumstances.
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ANON is entitled to his/her views. No one has said any difference.
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Abuses spelled out by people with distorted views don't mean a thing to me. And yeah, Tori never tells me a thing. We don't talk for hours on end, and our relationship is really bad. Go ahead and believe that. It quite conforms to your line of thinking.
Just remember - you're the one all worked up - I'm content and just sharing my good news!
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And who gave you the authortity to define "distorted views?" Anything that conflicts with the lies told by the Sudweeks must be considered "distorted views," we assume?
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Well, I'm happy for you. You live in a perfect little world - except for your misinformation about the Whitmore.
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The same authority that gave you the right to post your message. Duh.
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P.S. I am not your mommy. Thank God.
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Alana, I don't think Tori is exactly trying to be dishonest w/ you. I do believe these kids when they tell us about what often happens after Cheryl calls Group on someone. I can't believe they just make this stuff up because it's just so similar to what used to happen when staff at Straight called Group on someone. And just the same as what kids from Elan to Provo to CEDU describe happening to them
It's not that they're concious of being involved in wrongdoing and all conspiring to cover it up. It's more like they think that us unenlightened outsiders just wouldn't understand. So it's just a little white lie, see? Really, it's all for the greater good, you see?
If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced?
--Percy Bysshe Shelley, English poet
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I guess the easy road is to say, well, I don't think it happened to my child, so the Sudweeks are wonderful people. But, if it happens to one child, it can happen to any child. That's the danger. We are responsible to seek answers, to find the truth, and, in this case, to see that justice is served.
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as far as the controversy over spitting in the food goes you people can believe what you like. but when she got put on the shelf they feed her old hamburger buns with peanut butter and jelly inside and the kid that spit in it told me out of his own two lips that he spit right inside it.
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On 2005-03-29 12:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"as far as the controversy over spitting in the food goes you people can believe what you like. but when she got put on the shelf they feed her old hamburger buns with peanut butter and jelly inside and the kid that spit in it told me out of his own two lips that he spit right inside it."
See, that's the sort of thing that just confuses the hell out of people who are trying to fight over the absolute good or the absolute bad of the place/people/group... whatever.
I tend to believe what you say and the kid who said he did it because it fits w/ just about everything else I'm learning about the place. Do I think Cheryl or Mark explicitly instructed a kid "Now, go and spit in this kid's food... go ahead, it's therapeutic"? No, not likely. But that they set up an environment where the kids might believe that the kid who's currently on the shit list deserves this kind of treatment? Yeah, that makes some sense.
What's more, I still believe that Whitmore delivers on the one, single promise by which it's sometimes marketed; not as bad as some WWASPS programs. My point in inviting discussion about Whitmore was to find out just what that means. What is this alternative to alternative, how does it work and is it really worth it?
Legalizing drugs would simultaneously reduce the amount of crime and raise the quality of law enforcement. Can you conceive of any other measure that would accomplish so much to promote law and order?
--Economist Milton Friedman
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Think Whitmore works a whole lot like WWASP. There just is not a whole lot of difference. It is smaller. The abuse is a bit less. The religion had a lot more emphasis. They throw in some travel stuff and horses. The facility sort of looks/sounds good on the surface. But you get right down to it: same concept, for "therapy." Same concept: kids supervising/abusing kids
Same concept: inadequate food...inadequate supervision of the kids...lack of education
Same condept: controlling the parents
SAME DEAL: making big money off desperate parents, and the kids pay the price in a horrific way. Both WWASP and Whitmore: abuse, neglect of the kids.
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Prediction::::....ready class?
SUDS activities become known via depositions........all facts will be fully disclosed...........presented for all to see..........ALANA becomes ever more silent.......her character is becomes known for what its worth......NOTHING........WHITMORE ASYLUM fades away......SUDS lose nothing...because they have NOTHING.....empty pathetic persons.......GOOD comes also......no more lies, deceit, fraud, stealing of money and property.............what a shame....poor Whitmore....they were doing sooooo much for soooo many..........TORI seems to be the only recent success...she sounds delightful...........NORMAL HOME????.............hm...
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Well, I would say that Whitmore is similar to a WWASPS school (or a CEDU or Provo or New Horizons.... the list goes on and on and on) in a couple of ways.
They market to desperate parents, telling them whatever works to close the deal. They hold themselves out to be experts in straightening out troubled teenagers when, in fact, they have no such legitimate claim. When held to task for anything, they simply deflect the critizism by pathologizing the critic. And I think they all believe their own BS.
There are differences. WWASPS is a largeish trade organization which services a group of 'schools' and programs as well as extremely well coordinated seminars, referal programs and other efforts to fully engage the parents on an ongoing basis. Whitmore is just one small group, evidently working w/just one referal service. There seems to be a sort of ad-hoc effort to get some milage out of the dedicated parents, but it's nowhere near as sophisticated as the RR program.
I think it comes together most obviously in the fact that both sides probably sincerely believe that they're the good guys and them others are doing it all wrong.
May the fleas of one thousand llamas infest your armpits
--One ticked off sysadmin
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As for predictions, I think you're shooting kinda high. Look how they spin the Canadian animal abuse convictions.
The true believers won't be moved at all by whatever comes up in deposition. They'll just call it purjory and pile another heaping helping of martyrdome on themselves. See, us poor unenlightened outsiders just aren't capable of understanding the miracle that is the Whitmore. And those former insiders? Oh, they're just mad w/ sick, twisted anger cause they couldn't get the program.
If you think that finding of child abuse, neglect or (those sickeningly patronizing) program guidelines is going to put them out of business, well ask Mark Wardle.
I do think it's worth pursuing, though, if only to provide validation to some of the people mentioned above and to pile just a ream or two of evidence on the mounting stack indicating that something stinks in Utah. The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
--John Adams, U.S. President
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A whole lot stinks in Utah. It's a wonder those people can catch their breath.
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On 2005-03-23 14:42:00, Alana wrote:
"Do you honestly think there is a troubled teen program anywhere that doesn't have a few kids complaining? Get a grip! Look at the numbers!"
SEVEN criminal complaints....now numerous TORTS (civil wrongs,,, class).....Still have your heads in the sand??..........support the ASYLUM???......regardless of the facts???...insanity driving the bus??????....but you say, "ALANA is an educated woman,.....a professional in the litigation arena"???........Certainly hope she is advising the ASYLUM folk........HOPE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO............LOL
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On 2005-03-29 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I might be disgusted. I might not. Again, though, I was in a different situation than you or whomever you know are. I've seen teenagers do disgusting things - much worse than spit in peanut butter. I have a different perspective than you do. If one, two, or a few more kids said it happened, and others said it didn't, I certainly wouldn't leap to conclusions. I also take every bit of "drama" that troubled teens report with more than a few grains of salt.
Like I said, I have my opinion and this forum is the very LAST thing that would alter it, particularly given the hostile, dramatic, hysteria-prone postings by a very few. For any teen program, I would absolutely expect a number of teens to complain. Scores of children have been at The Whitmore over the years. Of course a few will allege abuse. Am I saying abuse is okay? Of course not! I'm just saying that I need to see a heck of lot more before I believe it. The same is true for parents. Some parents - out of scores of parents - will hate the program.
I'm happy because I'm not trying to get anyone to change their opinion. Others are unhappy because I'm not conforming to their view. I'm simply pointing out that we are ALL entitled to our views. That seems to be very hard for some to take. "
Not so fast Ms. Program Apologist ... if true, spitting into someone's food or face is by all accounts abusive care and treatment whether it happens alot or just once or twice.
Second, it's clear no one values your opinion except a handful of program supporters who like you appear to have an incentive to spin the facts in support of their own self-serving agenda.
Perhaps if you made an effort to examine the facts in this case instead of burying your head in the sand like a coward, people might be inclined to respect your "views" instead of writing you off as a card-carrying stupid head.
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
:roll:
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Yeah, the County Attorney LISTENED and charged MRS. SUDWEEKS with 7 counts of child abuse, and I bet you---not one of those charges is merely spiting on some kid or spiting in their food! I don't know how Mr. Eldridge felt about some grown woman spitting on kids--but gurarantee you that's not what he charged the Queen of Mean with.
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I believe you meant "spitting"??? :lol:
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On 2005-03-28 16:37:00, Alana wrote:
"I'm just saying that absolutely NOTHING has been substantiated. Everything flying around on this website about abuse are allegations that are as yet completely unsubstantiated. If in fact they are substantiated, I will respectfully appreciate the postings; I am merely sharing my own experience and that of my daughter. I am not sharing allegations, accusations, hyperbole, or the like. I am sharing my actual experience. Why would I change my mind over some hysteria and unsubstantiated accusations? As I have previously stated, no program is for everyone. I just think all the hype and hysteria should not be what people base their opinions on. I am also not saying that abuse is okay. We must realize, though, that there is a wide spectrum of behavior and perceptions. All we can do is trust our instincts. Taking allegations as fact, though, is - to me - premature and unnecessary - not to mention destructive. There was a time when my daughter thought being grounded was abusive. Parents are entitled to their views. I'm just giving mine here.
Let the facts speak for themselves. I do believe, though, that if any children were in real danger, the authorities would have taken swift action, and my daughter would want to leave there. That is not the case. The facts as they are REMAIN: Some people love The Whitmore; some people do not. It has worked miracles for our family."
There YOU GO..........THAT'S A FACT ........ALANA GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT.......GUESS SHE'S DONE..............TORI'S ON THE RUN I HEAR............UNCLE SAM OWNS HER NOW......WOW.....POW.....BATMAN.........
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On 2005-03-28 16:48:00, Alana wrote:
"You are entitled to your opinion. In the meantime, my child has been home several times and is completely open and honest.
She has not been abused. That's all I can speak to. I will not buy into the hysteria and unsubstantiated accusations.
We can only base our opinions on our own experience. I wish you luck with yours."
MAMA ALANA WAS A HUGE HELP....LOVE YA BABE....
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On 2005-03-28 16:50:00, Alana wrote:
"That is of course, if the abuse is sunstantiated. So far, no charges have been filed. If the allegations are proved, I will be the first to understand if parents wig out.
In the meantime, my faith in the Sudweeks is unshaken. Sorry. No hysteria here. Just a grateful mom."
WERE WAITING HONEY...........LINE FORMS AFTER YOU!!!!!
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On 2005-03-29 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Prediction::::....ready class?
SUDS activities become known via depositions........all facts will be fully disclosed...........presented for all to see..........ALANA becomes ever more silent.......her character is becomes known for what its worth......NOTHING........WHITMORE ASYLUM fades away......SUDS lose nothing...because they have NOTHING.....empty pathetic persons.......GOOD comes also......no more lies, deceit, fraud, stealing of money and property.............what a shame....poor Whitmore....they were doing sooooo much for soooo many..........TORI seems to be the only recent success...she sounds delightful...........NORMAL HOME????.............hm... "
RIGHT ON THE MONEY............HMMM, WHAT ABOUT THAT???
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Alana works in the legal field, right? Wonder if she considers abuse allegations "being substaintiated" when criminal charges are filed? She seemed to indicate that in her previous postings. She posted over and over that these were just "allegations, and that no CHARGES have been FILED." Now that 7 charges of abuse have been filed against Cheryl Sudweeks...and the investigation is STILL OPEN---wonder what Alana's position is NOW? Is Alana concerned about her daughter's positition as an employee at Whitmore during the time this abuse was happening? Is Alana concerning about the Sudweeks using her daughter as the "spokesperson" in the press? Is Alana concerned about her own involvment as a PURE volunteer during this period? These would seem like valid concerns for the mother at this time.
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On 2005-03-28 17:36:00, Alana wrote:
"Thanks for the vote of confidence ("modern," "strong," "fearless" - none of which I claim to be).
In my opinion, the Sudweeks rock.
Respectfully,
Alana"
SUCH A WONDERFUL, INSIGHTFUL, CHARMING WOMAN..............GO ALANA......
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"The Sudweeks rock?"....and what WAS the name of their trailer park, again?
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On 2005-07-04 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
""The Sudweeks rock?"....and what WAS the name of their trailer park, again?
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Most probably the one YOU came from. :wave:
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On 2005-03-23 14:42:00, Alana wrote:
"Do you honestly think there is a troubled teen program anywhere that doesn't have a few kids complaining? Get a grip! Look at the numbers!"
WHAT GAVE ME AWAY.......HOW'D YOU KNOW I'M FLORIDA TRAILER TRASH...........ISN'T MY DAUGHTER JUST CUTE.......IN THE ARMY NOW!!!!!
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Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time, and deliberately, rebel against anything that does not deserve rebelling against.
--Thomas CarlyleOur nada who art in nada, nada be thy name. Thy kingdom nada, thy will be nada as it is in nada. Give us this nada our daily nada and nada us our nada as we nada our nadas and nada us into nada but deliver us from nada; pues nada. Hail nothing full of nothing, nothing is with thee.
--Ernest Hemingway, American author
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On 2005-07-04 15:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 14:42:00, Alana wrote:
"Do you honestly think there is a troubled teen program anywhere that doesn't have a few kids complaining? Get a grip! Look at the numbers!"
WHAT GAVE ME AWAY.......HOW'D YOU KNOW I'M FLORIDA TRAILER TRASH...........ISN'T MY DAUGHTER JUST CUTE.......IN THE ARMY NOW!!!!!"
Florida :question:
Some ANONS would think Texas :exclaim:
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Nah, lots more trailers in Florida. It's the trend.
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holy shit..its like one of the movies where they pause it to say "6 months later" or something, and amf is still writing POEMS! who actually sits on this thing and writes poems about someone?!?! give EVERYONE a break...please!! it is getting ridiculous now. haha. I mean, you waist your time rhyming when it sounds like something Dr. Seus would write. Leave it be to the poets who get paid. :lol:
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Well---and holy shit, here YOU are reading his poetry after all this time. WHY are YOU wasting YOUR time?. You could take a basic English course and learn how to spell BASIC SITE WORDS that most 3rd Graders can spell.
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On 2005-07-04 23:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"holy shit..I mean, you "waist" (waste) your time rhyming when it sounds like something Dr. "Seus" (Suses) would write. Leave it be to the poets who get paid. :lol: "
WELL, WELL, green eggs and ham to you....LOL.....lets have a spelling bee..........AMF
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It's Dr. Seuss.....
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no thanks, my spelling doesnt affect me when it comes to people like you reading it! hahaha
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Well, ha ha ha Aren't we in a good mood today?
Adderal and ritalin still kicking in huh?
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HA HA HA..not its not cuz i dont take that shit! hahahahaha FUCKING hahaha, and yes im in quite a good mood..no thanks to medecine..strictly herb my friend..strictly herb. HAHAHAHA
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Well, you are boring, illiterate (that means uneducated), crude (that means you can not post without using vulgar words)---and if you were actually humorous (which you are not) people would get it without your little hahaha notes.
So :wave:
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HMM, let me guess....female, sixteen, boring......ya, thats it....unattractive also...........................vulgar fer sure....
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nope, male 17
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HAHAHAHAHA
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To the male, 17 (assume you at great looking)--learn some manners, and drop the vulgar language and people may take you a bit more seriously. And, if you are a "student at Whitmore," why don't you ask Cheryl Sudweeks to post for herself instead of having you do it for her? The Mean of Queen ::bangin:: shouldn't manipulate you kids by having you post for her, you know?
And she shouldn't be telling all those TALL TALES to you kids either---the Canadians killing the horses....the Mexicans killing the horses...the brain tumor/OR the plane crash (not sure which it is, the story seems to vary with the TALL-TELLING). Did she cry when she told it all to you? ::mecry::
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well nope, Im definately not a student, trust me ive got manners, yet at the same time i do not see any reason to use them on a FORUM. you people act like were in person or sumthin, and to add to it, last time I checked FUCK wasnt a bad word. not in my life anyways, thats how i grew up. Yes, I know what crude is, and all that other shit. I can spell, i just simply dont see a DAMN reason to on this thing. I come on here cuz it entertains me. And yes, i do have a life and other things entertain me, to whoever is gonna make a comment bout that one. I work, im taking college classes, and i go out. There are parts of the day when Im home however and this shits always funnier and more humurous when you are..whaats the word FUCKED UP..like now for instance! :smokin:
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waste of space...........waste
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Fine, Mr.Part-Time-College-Cussing-Man:
So you are a Whitmore "Graduate" are you?
Have you NOT read enough of these postings that appear to be a form of "entertainment to you" to realize that most of the tear-jerky TALL TALES that the Queen of Mean ::bangin:: told you kids were not true?
Have you not questioned why she tells all these lies?
How many instances of kids beating up other kids did you witness?
How many meals did you miss at the Whit?
How many marathon middle of the night GROUPS led by Cheryl did you endure when you needed sleep?
HUH?
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waste of space...........waste
waste of space...........waste
waste of space...........waste
waste of space...........waste
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It's virtual, there's always space.
Seriously, though. I think the content around here would be much more useful to ppl who come along and find it if it were not so damned repetative. Excepting drug activity for personal use or free
distribution from the sweep of the CSA would discourage the consumption of
lawful controlled substances.
acting US Solicitor General, Paul Clement; Ashcroft v. Raich
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Thank you Antigen! The most frustrating thing is to seriously be trying to find out what's going on and having to wade the waist-deep bullshit.
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criminal complaints....outcome will be posted.as to the civil case, well you can obtain all the transcripts at the conclusion of the MEXICAN HORSE SLAUGHTER..............LOL
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Think Cheryl will "SHOW" at the Pre-Trial Hearing tomorrow, July 7th at 1 PM---or "call in sick?".......
Lots of hints that she will be a NO-SHOW again.
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hey anonymous y don't you stop being a little bitch and tell me who you really are. ::unhappy:: ::fuckoff::
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oh yea about her court hearing her son was hit by a guy going 60 mph at their cabin and had to be airlifted to Salt Lake Hospital so y don't you think about that for a minute
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My My---now that's a TALL TALE!!!!!
Right up there with the Canadians and Mexicans killing all the horses....and the plane crash with loving Markie Boy HUBBY saving the drowing Queen of Mean, Cheryl from the freezing Canadian Lake waters...as she was dying from a brain tumor----right before she had a STROKE!!!!
Now--with all this Suds abuse stuff on the news lately, WHERE'S the coverage of this latest Sud's tragedy?????
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AND just who are you Mickey Mousie????
Seem to have a bit of an anger problem working there with your little gun and knives huh?
What's that all about?