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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 23, 2005, 10:57:00 AM
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Yea Right!
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Actually, that's already happened. A lot of them are mentioned under oath in the WWASP v PURE transcript.
The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing; 3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
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I would just like to say that my comments about me using pepper spray were taken out of context. I said what I said in a tongue in cheek kinda way. I would never ever cause irrepairable damage to any child.
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I really do not understand why it matters so much to you what programs I refer to. As I explained earlier, I take every reasonable precaution before sending a child to ANY Program.That is all that should matter to you.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 09:25 ]
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Reasonable percautions? What does that mean? Owners under investigation for child abuse should be beyond any type of percautions lady, yet you continue to send kids to Whitmore. You must be kidding, yourself anyway--no one else.
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On 2005-03-24 09:23:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"I really do not understand why it matters so much to you what programs I refer to. As I explained earlier, I take every reasonable precaution before sending a child to ANY Program.That is all that should matter to you.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 09:25 ]"
Damn there are some funny trolls here these days!
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I believe I explained in one of my prior posts what I mean by reasonable precautions.If you did not understand then, you will not understand now. You talk of ALLEGATIONS of child abuse. Am I supposed to cease refering to a program EVERY TIME SOMEONE MAKES AN ALLEGATION?! GIVE ME A BREAK! It is obvious that your brain operates at a slower pace than a turtle moves around!
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 12:35 ]
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How about several allegations? Would that be enough? I guess the safety of children can be outweighed by cold hard cash sometimes.
On 2005-03-24 12:35:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"I believe I explained in one of my prior posts what I mean by reasonable precautions.If you did not understand then, you will not understand now. You talk of ALLEGATIONS of child abuse. Am I supposed to cease refering to a program EVERY TIME SOMEONE MAKES AN ALLEGATION?! GIVE ME A BREAK! It is obvious that your brain operates at a slower pace than a turtle moves around!
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 12:35 ]"
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And I wonder if you disclose to the parents that there are allegations against the facilities...
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I disclose to ALL PARENTS IMMEDIATELY ONLY IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT REASON TO DO SO.i REFUSE TO ALARM PARENTS EVERYTIME A CHILD OR WHOEVER MAKES AN ALLEGATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN YET OR AT LEAST GIVES ME A REASON TO THINK THAT THE CHILDREN IN THERE ARE IN DANGER. How would you like it if you have a child and he/she says you abused them? Would you be happy if the authorities just swooped in and took him/her out of your care without even investigating at all? I do not think so! So, GET OFF MY ASS ABOUT THAT!
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:04 ]
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If I am so motivated by cold hard cash as you say, Why do I not refer children to hellholes such as Tranquility Bay? Think about what you are saying BEFORE you say it.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:09 ]
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Duh, because they don't pay you.
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You are running out of stupid questions so you resort to stupid, childish comments like the one you just posted.That shows how PATHETIC you are!
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:15 ]
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Lady, your whole attitude about children shows that you are hardly in a position to know what is best for any child. You assume that kids just make shit up all the time. Where I went to "school" a lot of kids were abused. But they couldn't prove it. Why, you ask? The staff regularly searched our things and destroyed any evidence. They monitored and censored all phone calls and letters. Abuse in that school has never been "proven" in a court. So you think you should wait until someone proves something? That just shows that you are unfamiliar with the nature of the very programs to which you refer parents. That's fucking scary that someone who CHOOSES to be ignorant is in the business of placing children in these facilities.
On 2005-03-24 12:57:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"I disclose to ALL PARENTS IMMEDIATELY ONLY IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT REASON TO DO SO.i REFUSE TO ALARM PARENTS EVERYTIME A CHILD OR WHOEVER MAKES AN ALLEGATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN YET OR AT LEAST GIVES ME A REASON TO THINK THAT THE CHILDREN IN THERE ARE IN DANGER. How would you like it if you have a child and he/she says you abused them? Would you be happy if the authorities just swooped in and took him/her out of your care without even investigating at all? I do not think so! So, GET OFF MY ASS ABOUT THAT!
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:04 ]"
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How was that stupid? You asked why you don't refer parents to Tranquility Bay, and I said it's because you don't get paid to do so. Sounds right to me.
On 2005-03-24 13:14:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"You are running out of stupid questions so you resort to stupid, childish comments like the one you just posted.That shows how PATHETIC you are!
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:15 ]"
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If I wanted to refer to the teen torturers in Utah, I would simply go to them and tell them so. Do you really think that they would refuse to enroll the children I refer?
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:22 ]
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P.S. You are NOT one of the good people in all this.
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They have their own referral sites. They don't need you.
On 2005-03-24 13:21:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"If I wanted to refer to the teen torturers in Utah, I would simply go to them and tell them so. Do you really think that they would refuse to enroll my the children I refer?
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Sorry, sorry. I thought this was a site about the teen help industry.
On 2005-03-24 13:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quit distracting her with all of that! I want to hear about her panties, damn it!!"
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Actions speak louder than words. My actions show what my intentions are.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:25 ]
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We agree. Your action of ignoring allegations shows that your intention is not to help anyone's kid, but to help yourself to their parents' checkbooks. I won't be blinded by your misuse of cliches.
On 2005-03-24 13:24:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"Actions speak louder than words. My actions show what my intentions are.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:25 ]"
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Oh please! Like WWASPS is ever gonna be contented on any number of referals.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:30 ]
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They didn't want to pay you anymore.
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sure, like making money regardless of the consequencies to parents and students maybe?
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"Good" at what?
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Just because I do not automatically come to the conclusion that every ALLEGATION is without a doubt true, means that I ignore it? Again, I urge you to think BEFORE you say something.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:35 ]
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It's a wonder her own daughter's allegations of abuse were "significant" enough for her to believe she was abused. Who'd put their own kid some place and AGREE to have no contact with her for months and months? Maybe she needed a long long break from MOMMY-HOOD or something, who knows?
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Think that red sweater is to set off the fake "glamour shot photo" anything to try and make herself look a little bit better. It ALMOST works.
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Lady, if anyone here needs to think before they speak, it's you. I think reasonable parents would expect that if there are more than one allegation against a facility, or if the allegation is serious, that they should know about it. Especially since you're setting yourself out as some caring mom who was wronged by WWASPS and who just wants to help others. You're withholding truth from people who trust you. And as to your automatically assuming - no, what you do is automatically assume it is not true. You don't even bother to investigate it for yourself. There is no way you're going to convince me that you give a rat's ass about what happens to someone else's kid. And I hope you pay for your greediness and pseudo-philanthropy some day.
On 2005-03-24 13:34:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"Just because I do not automatically come to the conclusion that every ALLEGATION is without a doubt true, means that I ignore it? Again, I urge you to think BEFORE you say something.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:35 ]"
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I am good at finding care for children that fits their needs. Not just throwing them to the wolves in Utah to make a financial gain.WWASPS would have me back on their payroll as soon as I offered. I have never, nor will I ever make money putting children in a program or programs that even has THE SMALLEST REMOTE CHANCE THAT CHILDREN WILL BE ABUSED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:43 ]
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Lady, have you READ the shit that's up on ISAC about Whitemore? I'd say there's a "small remote chance" that children will be abused there. The guy can't even take care of friggin' horses, and he's supposed to take care of children? You're talking straight out of your ass!
On 2005-03-24 13:42:00, Susan Scheff wrote:
"I am good at finding care for children that fits their needs. Not just throwing them to the wolves in Utah to make a financial gain.WWASPS would have me back on their payroll as soon as I offered. I have never, nor will I ever make money putting children in a program or programs that even has THE SMALLEST REMOTE CHANCE THAT CHILDREN WILL BE ABUSED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
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I am one of the good people in all of this.[ This Message was edited by: Susan Scheff on 2005-03-24 13:43 ]"
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Whitmore, Sue's "Cash Cow"--the guy's a danger around animals much less kids, and the wife is a lunatic playing therapist with the kids in what she calls group therapy---and Sheff can't quit sending kids there!
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Did you say "Lady?"
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Sue, you are not one of the good ones...you are one of the bad ones in my opion. Children should not be referred to behavior mod programs. They should stay home, and IF they need help it should be gotten locally. I say this from experience Sue - children should not be seperated from their family. Stupid bitch.
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I believe in the transcript that Ms. Scheff said that children should be believed when they state allegations of abuse. Why doesn't this apply to the many many children at Whitmore Academy who are saying the Sudweeks abused them severely? Why?
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You guys, this is going too far.
In case there was any doubt at all, I changed the name of user "Susan Schef" to "NOT Susan Scheff" pending contact w/ the prankster who's been writing under that name.
No, it's not me. I honestly don't know the ID of the person who's doing it. I did think it was funny as hell there for awhile, but I had NO idea that anyone would actually believe that it was really Susan Scheff writing that stuff! Satire, folks, satire!
Now, as to some of the other content here regarding Susan:
I stand by my terms of use and usual policy. I'm not responsible, legally or ethically, for what you folks decide to write. Personally, I find a lot of that stuff offensive, below the belt and (more importantly) beside the point. I don't like getting that kind of treatment and, despite how you or I may feel about anyone for other, more legitimate reasons, some of this stuff is just patently offensive.
I'm in no hurry to assist anyone who may get bent out of shape over it. But, now this is important, I can be legally compelled to cooperate w/ discovery if some letigious person decides they want to sue you for it!
And, personally, I just don't want to see any more blood-letting.
Just my 2ยข
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On 2005-03-24 14:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I believe in the transcript that Ms. Scheff said that children should be believed when they state allegations of abuse. Why doesn't this apply to the many many children at Whitmore Academy who are saying the Sudweeks abused them severely? Why?"
Excellent observation!
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Boy, do I feel like a retard, arguing with a fake person.
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Really! I'm so sorry. I would have said something sooner, but I really thought it would be obvious to everybody pretty quickly.
I have to admit, I did take the bait the first time Dr. Miller Newton posted. Not that I actually thought it was him (read his early posts, it's a lot more obvious) but I did think it was a sincere follower defending him for about a minute. Wish it had been the minute before, instead of the minute after, I posted. But, oh well, ya live and learn! :rofl: Cops; you wake `em up you gotta dance with `em. They lead.
-- Jack McNulty
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Who ever you are posting as Ms SS .
Its funny. I would take Ginger's comments as a serious waring.
The person whom you are impersonating would sue you. Just because she can.
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Anyone familiar with Sunrise Academy in Hurricane Utah?
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People can read the WWASP Vs PURE transcript, but still people would like to know what schools PURE is currently referring to, what schools have been added since the trial. Are these schools "safer" than WWASP schools, and if so, what criteria makes them "safer?"
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On 2005-03-29 06:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"People can read the WWASP Vs PURE transcript, but still people would like to know what schools PURE is currently referring to, what schools have been added since the trial. Are these schools "safer" than WWASP schools, and if so, what criteria makes them "safer?""
Sue said so. :razz: Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
--Denis Diderot, French encyclopedist
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I'd think anyone who was so proud of what they do would be so happy to list the wonderful, safe, alternatives to WWASP. Tell us Sue.
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ANYBODY ever think PURE will ever give a straight answer here?
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Sue personally wont say a damn thing here. Shes not that stupid, plus shes probably wealthy enough she doesnt care.
Her supporters, program parents, and whatnot, or that troll posing as her will say shit in line wht sues beilefs, but if you argue with them, because your basically arguing with sue by extension (they're that far up her ass, y'see) its roughly the same.
So yeah, youre not talking to her yourself, but you might as well be - plus the points made arguing to her lackeys are just as valid posted to her, and its a good thing its on the forum; parents considering PURE can see the bullshit ahead of time if they stop by here first. Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
Orange Country, California
Los Angeles Times
29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray
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Give it up - don't you guys have anything better to talk about, really?
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Her ignorance and self-promoting herself as a caring person who just loves kids is something else. She's still referring to Whitmore Academy. That says a whole lot about her, wouldn't you think?