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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 21, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
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What's going on here? Has Sue Scheff decided that WWASP is not so bad afterall? What is going on here? We're confused! We need some answers!
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What's the real difference between P.U.R.E. and WWASP anyway?
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PURE is a referral service - Sue refers parents of troubled teens to residential treatment and troubled teen programs for a fee paid by the schools.
WWASPS oversees several residential and behavior change programs. They are not a referral service.
They do not pay PURE a referral fee for referring to them - at least not yet.
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Just re-read "WWASP referral fees" and am still confused1?!? Seems like it says Sue Scheff collected referrals fees from WWASP...but here it says PURE does not. Are we splitting hairs here?????? Does or Did she???? Sure seems difficult to simply get a simple answer to a simple question.
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On 2005-03-21 18:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just re-read "WWASP referral fees" and am still confused1?!? Seems like it says Sue Scheff collected referrals fees from WWASP...but here it says PURE does not. Are we splitting hairs here?????? Does or Did she???? Sure seems difficult to simply get a simple answer to a simple question."
When Sue had a kid in one of the WWASP programs she got tuition credit for referring other parents. As far as I understand.
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So Sue DID NOT continue to collect referral fees from WWASP AFTER she removed her daughter from the WWASP program then??? Is this a correct statement?
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On 2005-03-22 06:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So Sue DID NOT continue to collect referral fees from WWASP AFTER she removed her daughter from the WWASP program then??? Is this a correct statement?"
Don't know. I guess you could ask Sue, but I don't think that would get you very far.
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No read the transcripts.
She refered.Gave the credits to another mother.The mother paid her $$$$$$.
It was slick. Very, very slick.
Indicative of the individual's character.
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Teen help is WWASP's referal service.
They refer within their own system.Tons of money is made by people who create websites and refer to wwasp programs. They then become WWASPies!
IMO its patterned after the Mormon missionarys.
Go out and spread the "wisdom". Recruit more Mormons.More Mormons equate to more $$$$$ More souls etc etc etc.
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Does not sound too slick if people are aware of exactly how Sue Scheff was paid, IF THIS IS HOW IT ACTUALLY HAPPPENED. Wonder what this "mother" who supposedly participated in this gained?
If all this did happen, why didn't WWASP appeal the case ruling?
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The other mother received a month's tuition FOR THE REFERAL. Depending on which facility her kid was in. It could have been worth $2000,$3000,0r $4000 dollars.Then the refering woman was paid $1000.00 from the mother with A CHILD IN THE PROGRAM for her referal.It was a split.When Teen Help caught on it came to a halt.
The tuition was worth more than the $1000.
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Well aren't we just as honest as the day is long. Now lying on a deposition sounds like child's play. Amazing Amazing.
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It's not about my honesty. It's in the opening statements of the WWASP vs Pure transcripts.
Its about as far a I could read before becoming ill to my stomach.
Read for yourself. It could be enlightening for you..
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Sorry did not mean you Anon. Not questioning your honesty. It was a collective "WE" referring to Sue Scheff is she did indeed collect referral fees from WWASP in the manner described, and this does make lying on a deposition look like child's play.
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I'm not sure where you are suggesting the woman lied in the deposition. (?)
I find the volume of kids referred into the WWASP Program disturbing.
WWASP does offer substantial rewards to get kids into their Program. That is how they manage to have so many children enrolled. It works.Do an internet search,the wwasp wesites are many.
The volume of kids enrolled in the short period of time could suggest a "business" was made out of the opportunity provided. Ingenious if it didnt entail kids being incarcerated. Parents being without contact with their children.
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When a person says they have a DEGREE, and then admits they DONT, I suppose this is not a lie. I suppose this is just a mistake, and someone just thinks they have a degree, for some reason or another.
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Yes, I suppose children being enrolled in WWASP programs could be disturbing to many people. Wonder how disturbed Sue Scheff was by accepting referral fees, or whatever she called the monetary rewards for helping to send kids to those WWASP programm as some postings on this site say she did---that is if she did????
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Ok, here's the link to the transcript:
http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/wwaspsvpure.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/wwaspsvpure.pdf)
It's LONG, over 700 pages in pdf graphic format. But it answers a lot of questions people have been asking around here and sort of begins to explain some of the current barroom brawl. (if you read between the lines just a little)
While you're there, take a look around the site and consider whether or not you want to throw some significant support to these people. I can't do that. We do alright for ourselves and our kids, but we're not among the well heeled by any stretch. But I think I might if I could.A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
--Frank Zappa
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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On 2005-03-22 06:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So Sue DID NOT continue to collect referral fees from WWASP AFTER she removed her daughter from the WWASP program then??? Is this a correct statement?"
No, she did. But she didn't pull her kid because of problems w/ WWASP. It's not clear why she did, so I can't comment on that.
According to the (former?) WWASP employee who testified very briefly, he wasn't at all sure that Sue's deal w/ splitting referals was against the previous week's or day's policy or not. He just thought it wasn't right, regardless of what the other employee thought. No need to exagerate or go borrowing trouble here. In fact it waters down the facts of the matter if we do.
As regards WWASP and her stance toward them, her story washes. She probably honestly believes that the programs she now refers kids to are better, safer and all that. I just don't happen to agree with that assessment.
I don't completely understand the aparent 180 as regards WWASP vs. survivors. But then, I never did think these folks were especially well balanced or well grounded individuals. I suppose time will tell.
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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On 2005-03-23 15:53:00, Antigen wrote:
"Ok, here's the link to the transcript:
http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/wwaspsvpure.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/wwaspsvpure.pdf)
It's LONG, over 700 pages in pdf graphic format. But it answers a lot of questions people have been asking around here and sort of begins to explain some of the current barroom brawl. (if you read between the lines just a little)
While you're there, take a look around the site and consider whether or not you want to throw some significant support to these people. I can't do that. We do alright for ourselves and our kids, but we're not among the well heeled by any stretch. But I think I might if I could.A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
--Frank Zappa
_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."
In other words, Ginger wants you to give ISAC money. I wonder why it's come to Ginger groveling for donations for ISAC. Did Shelby touch your heart with stories of her children starving, and the fact that their income is pitiful? Did she tell you she is doing God's work, but in order to keep doing it she needs people to "click" that PAYPAL button, or perhaps her legal warchest is empty? Ginger, and everyone out there, I wouldn't contribute a wooden nickel to that Spit and Bubble Gum operation. Just a couple of months ago ISAC was trash talking Ginger saying that her site abused children and that was because Ginger refused to admit her status as a victim. Ginger, you're just the Flavor of the Month for Shelby. It's too bad she's poor, but that's not our problem. Shame on you for asking!
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Don't know about you Ginger? I think you may have struck a nerve here?
I don't have much to say for the comments about Isac's, but I do like the fact that you have another faithful follower...just my POV.
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Anon,
You really should read the transcripts.You could save yourself the multiple ?????????s
You could read where Ken Kay admits under oath to his having known about the sexual relationship between satff and student at TB.How he admits that he did nothing to reprimand the staff .
Isac could use the money. You would have weeks worth of entertaining reading.
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Absolutely no way are these programs are any better than WWASP! Read the transcript. She refers to programs where kids have DIED, where kids are physically and sexually abused, and she knows it! There is no excuse, no reasoning, no justification. If that is what she wants to do for a living, that is fine, but these places are no safer.
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Sue needs to go back and read this transcript of WWASP VS PURE herself---she sounds just like every other mother who's had a child abused in one of these programs: says the same exact words we say--how we were deceived by someone JUST LIKE HER, how our kids suffered, how SHE trusted someone who sold her on a program because they seemed to care---all the negative things she had to say about her own daughter. She was a desperate parent then, probably doing the best she could. HOW QUICKLY SHE FORGETS THAT PAIN, and dares to judge other parents, and then sends desperate parents down the same miserable path she thread. How very sad she can forget all that. And fool herself that "she's actually helping by referring any parent to any program."
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On 2005-03-23 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
In other words, Ginger wants you to give ISAC money. I wonder why it's come to Ginger groveling for donations for ISAC.
Groveling? I don't think I'm goveling. It doesn't feel like groveling to me.
Honestly, I haven't looked at the http://www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org) site since around the time that (as you note) they started trashing me hard. I suppose I should hate them, shouldn't I? But, sorry for you, it didn't work. I just looked around the site and realized that they're doing some really valuable work. If they lose funding to continue that, I'm sure they'll drop the activism and go back to just being a mom and pop to those kids (who are not starving, btw, as far as anybody's told me). But that would be a shame. I hope they'll be able to continue doin' what they do.
I never said, and will likely never say "cut a check to ____ cause I say they're worthy and needy!!!" What I said is look around and consider it. Maybe I think and speak more literally than people usually read.
But if there's any question about that, I meant just what I said. Take a look and think for yourself. I really didn't mean anything other than that. Maybe you'll come to some other conclusion. I wouldn't judge or hate you for it.
Speaking of asking for funding, do you have any idea how the Emancipation Project is going about raising funds these days? Just curious.
Truth does not have to be accepted on faith. Scientists do not hold hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! Amen.
--Dan Barker, former evangelist and author
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On 2005-03-23 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-03-23 15:53:00, Antigen wrote:
"Ok, here's the link to the transcript:
http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/wwaspsvpure.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/wwaspsvpure.pdf)
It's LONG, over 700 pages in pdf graphic format. But it answers a lot of questions people have been asking around here and sort of begins to explain some of the current barroom brawl. (if you read between the lines just a little)
While you're there, take a look around the site and consider whether or not you want to throw some significant support to these people. I can't do that. We do alright for ourselves and our kids, but we're not among the well heeled by any stretch. But I think I might if I could.A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
--Frank Zappa
_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."
In other words, Ginger wants you to give ISAC money. I wonder why it's come to Ginger groveling for donations for ISAC. Did Shelby touch your heart with stories of her children starving, and the fact that their income is pitiful? Did she tell you she is doing God's work, but in order to keep doing it she needs people to "click" that PAYPAL button, or perhaps her legal warchest is empty? Ginger, and everyone out there, I wouldn't contribute a wooden nickel to that Spit and Bubble Gum operation. Just a couple of months ago ISAC was trash talking Ginger saying that her site abused children and that was because Ginger refused to admit her status as a victim. Ginger, you're just the Flavor of the Month for Shelby. It's too bad she's poor, but that's not our problem. Shame on you for asking!"
You sound like a very hateful and sick person trash talking Shelby and ISAC.
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So now YOU KNOW all about Shelby's personal business? When did YOU review her last income statement? YOU probably know as little about her personal business and life as you do other things you speak about. Who do YOU donate your money to?
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On 2005-03-23 17:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
but I do like the fact that you have another faithful follower...just my POV.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Who's following me? Is someone paying them to do it? Are they getting paid well? Should I invite them in for coffee? You seem to suggest that there's more than one of them. Should I introduce them to each other so maybe they can double up on accomodations or something?
What are you talking about?Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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Anon,
You hit that observation right on.You have no idea how bad those of us who believed in her feel at the obvious hypocrisy.
We trusted .We believed.We were fooled. AGAIN.