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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 20, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
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We would like for you to talk about your experiences at Whitmore. Seems the group is off the Mexico. Seems you can talk now without being attacked. We'd like to hear from you.
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I've been doing homework.
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i too have been submerged in school work lately, and have a job that takes up a great deal of my time.. what would you like to know, I'm still open to share.
~ chris
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Chris,
Can you explain scripting?
Elliot says the kids can do it for themselves,
or Cheryl can perform "scripting" on someone.
What exactly is it, and how does it work?
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Where is everyone? uh..I mean where is Cheryl?
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Cheryl is a thousand miles away from me. Have the administrator check my IP.
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Yes I have. I know you're in Miami (or at least your isp is headquartered there). I've said all along that no, all these posts are not coming from Cheryl or even from Nephi.
He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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Hello everyone!!!!!
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Students: you may want to reply to Tori.....
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Where is everyone? OR can't Cheryl get to her computer?
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Think we are all sure who posts here, now aren't we. Poor por Cheryl---we always knew.
Bet those GROUP GROUP GROUPS are raging now.
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NO ONE POSTING. Just wonder why??? Cheryl.....
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Where are you? Hey Cheryl, NO POSTINGS HUH?
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Still say: Cheryl Sudweeks is responsible for the absurd postings attacking parents, former students. Most postings do come from the Whitmore location. Even the postings from former students must be controlled in some way by the mighty Cheryl---otherwise why is all quiet why they are out of the country? Strange.
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Where are you studets?
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Hey,
I'm here. i've been on this website but haven't been posting. I am open to any and all questions so ask away.
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Whitmore Alumni do you know where the kids are now? They are not at the place the Sudweeks own down at Baja Mexico.
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They are most likely still traveling there by bus. and stopping at a couple historical places so the kids can learn. When I went on trips thats what they would do.
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So they can learn WHAT? I think they are traveling to escape a bit of legal heat myself. What do you think about 80% of the kids not even calling home on Easter week to even talk to their parents? What type of "leadership" is this from the Suds?
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These former students may well be glad they are not on the current trip. Understand kids are not happy about having to sleep under the BIG BUS!
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Yea I wasn't the happiest camper when we had to sleep IN the bus. but it's done and over with... besides it makes you more grateful to have a bed to go home to let alone your own room.
I didn't want to call home, in fact I didn't for about three months. But i am sure if your kids wanted to they had the chance and if not they will call
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Whitmore Alumni you didn't think your bed or room would be gone when you got home did you? Why would you feel grateful to have a bed? That's a mere staple in most girl's bedrooms.
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depending on what you mean by "home".
1. Home at the mansion?
I would never think that my bed would be gone when we got back. What made me grateful to have a bed was that we would be on the road so much we would either camp and sleep on the ground or cramp up on the bus. It wasn't the greatest thing. So when we actually got back to the whitmore everyone was so happy to actually sleep in a bed.
2. My room at home?
I actually didn't have a room at my house. My parents took my room away so I had to sleep on the couch. After that, I got sick of home and left. I lived with my friend for about a month and then got bakeracted. So I really didn't have a bed at home.
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I'm sorry. I just assumed that after a year away at "school" that you would return home to your own room and bed. I just presumed something that was not so. I consider Whitmore a SCHOOL, not a home. I consider the Sudweeks as owners, of a school, not PARENTS. Suppose I have a totally different outlook, perspective. I was paying for a child to attend school, and receive therapy for a professional therapis--not to adopt a "FAMILY."
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For all the money parents pay per kid---don't think the Suds could swing for a motel for you kids? No one should have to feel grateful to have a bed at the rate of about $4,000 per month!
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i hate that bus with every bone in my body
howbizarre
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Me not having a bed nor room was before i went to the whitmore I now do have one. I don't know, because being grateful for having a bed teaches you about how homeless people feel and what they would do for a bed to sleep on and a shower and many things like that. I am not however trying to compare the whitmore as homeless kids. it was just an example
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Howbizzare, have heard that before from my child who was at Whitmore! Hated that bus a lot! Kids had to sleep on it when they visited at Shayla's. And riding on it from Lake Powell was reported as "terrible."
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yes but now ask your child if he or she was grateful for having a bed.
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I don't have to ask. Having your OWN bedroom and bed, and having the room furnished with your OWN THINGS--TV, Stereo System, Play Station, Computer System, Personal things, clothes, etc...and having your OWN bath room is more-or-less just an "expectation" for kids in our house. So I don't expect graditude--so I am sure if I asked, I probably would not receive any. That is just how our house is. Everybody just has their OWN.
I'm sure sharing at the Whitmore was an adjustment. But, that was fine--no real complaints except for having NO LINENS...sleeping on a filthy sleeping bag. Having 2 minute timed showers was bad, as was being constantly sleep deprived to accomodate Cheryl's marathon Group sessions. But there was no expression of gratitude for having a bed--that was just an "expectation."
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On 2005-03-30 09:13:00, Whitmore Alumni wrote:
2. My room at home?
I actually didn't have a room at my house. My parents took my room away so I had to sleep on the couch. After that, I got sick of home and left. I lived with my friend for about a month and then got bakeracted. So I really didn't have a bed at home.
I don't want to pry too much. But WTF??? Once upon a time, when my daughter was about 15 or so, we tried a little performance art to get her attention. We were at odds over some things she was doing. Doesn't matter what, just that we felt it was intolerable in that it effected the safety and wellbeing of the whole family, including her two little sisters.
So, when she didn't come home by cerfew (and a few other details I won't go into) we put a bahama bed out in the front yard, made it up like a bed, set up her night stand next to it and waited. And we waited. And we waited by the window till she came home. When she laid on the 'bed' and cried instead of knocking on the door, we knew it had been a mistake. We were trying to say "We really need to talk!" but what she heard was "Get the hell out!"
I can't imagine 1) actually taking my own kid's bed away or 2) pulling something like a Baker Act committment after it backfired.
I don't want to diss your parents. Parents down through the ages have done all sorts of radical and crazy things thinking they had to. But it seems to me that the Whitmore philosophy (actually, the entire toughlove hate movement) reenforces that kind of harshness. How do you view it now?
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.
George Washington
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Thats the thing we all did have beds. Except on trips we went on, like camping and other things, we then are supposed to rough it. It was freezing sometimes but it's not like we didn't have our own sleeping bags and stuff. The T.v and playstation, stereo system are basically things to enjoy, you can live without them. I didn't get a T.V in my room till I was like 16 or so, and i don't have a system or playstation. I live with out them so I won't be a drone and stay there day after day. I go out and enjoy life. I won't deny the fact that we woul get 3-5 hours of sleep a night, but it didn't kill anyone did it? We learned at the whitmore to accept and not expect, and the 2 minute showers weren't as bad as they sound. You could only use the water for two minutes like turn the water on, get wet, turn it off wash your hair, and turn it on to wash it off.
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What is the Baker Act? I really don't know what this term means.
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The shower thing, was this just a "trust issue" that you are turning the water on an off and not going over the 2 minutes alloted time? Or is someone actually timing you? And WHY? For about $4,000 per kid, per month--- who cares?
And 3-5 hours sleep per night--you kids were sleep deprived. No other word for it. And there is an underlying reason for that too: One it's an easy easy way for mind control.
Two: it feeds Cheryl, who from postings here doesn't seem sleep for some reason, so she yells GROUP GROUP GROUP when it suits her fancy.
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nah they didn't time the showers. I always thought we should've showered at night instead of the morning because kids got filthy during the day. I couldn't stand going to bed without a shower so I started taking them at night.
I enjoy being clean and wearing clean clothes so the bus and camping was nonstop agitation for me.
The sleep sucked, i can't lie. I slept a lot when I got back at first, i'm on average of six-seven a night now.
howbizarre
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On 2005-03-31 13:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What is the Baker Act? I really don't know what this term means."
Florida's involuntary commitment law
http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm (http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm)
Straight used the Baker Act all the time, but they didn't have to actually follow the guidelines because, like you, most kids never even heard of it. When I first heard about it, all they told me was that both my parents plus "Dr." Newton and one other program parent who may or may not have been a medical doctor could sign off and extend my intake "interview" to 48 hours. It was just pressure to get us to sign ourselves in. When I thought I could tough that out, then they threatened a 2 year court order. I thought I could do better than that, so I signed.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
--John Adams
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Thanks for the explanation. That is a drastic measure to use to put a child in a treatment center,and it appears to really take the parent out of the loop too, as far as having any control about what is happening once the child is "enrolled." Very scary.
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Yea my parents baker acted me, sent me to the mental institution. It wasn't the best thing. I have a heart condition and the doctors think that I have V-Tac. This is where you can be doing anything and then just drop dead. My mom had it. But when I was there at the mental instituion they would give me all these pills to mess me p and then I would flip out and then they woul take me into a room ad give me a shot to where I was so messed up I would pass out. This wasn't the best thing for my heart. Also a kid that came in died three days later. But for advice to parents.... don't send your kid to a mental intitution.
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So you left the mental institution and then went to Whitmore Academy for a year? Suppose after a mental institution--Whitmore may have seemed better from your perspective, anyway?
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I don;t know I guess it is. I'm glad i'm home now though. I'm robably going to visit the whitmore pretty soon so im pretty excited. :grin:
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Do you still have friends going the Whitmore, is that why you are excited?
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Why don't you go somewhere nice? Why visit the Whitmore? Can't think of any reason to go there.
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Whitmore Alumini,
Do you live with your parents now?
Your stay at the mental institution appears to have been a terrible experience.
I, too wonder about your upcoming visit to the Whitmore Academy. Seems there should be something else that you would prefer do, a place to visit that might hold fonder memories? Or, just to move forward with you life.
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Where is everyone??? Guess Cheryl isn't around to "guide the conversation?"
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Um.... HELLO.... I just found this place, but i am a whitmore alumni, well i didn't graduate from there because we never did anything educational, but i did attend there yes, for about 3-4 months. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask.
~Couture
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Hello Couture, and welcome.
Have you read the various threads to this site?
We as parents always have questions for former students, because it helps us to understand what happened to our kids at Whitmore, and to be able to talk to them.
Perhaps you could register with the name you signed with "Couture" so we will know when you are posting????
How long ago were you at Whitmore?
Did you witness any of the verbal, emotional, physical abuse that is being discussed here on this site?
My daughter was at Whitmore 2 months--Oct, Nov 2004.
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On 2005-04-05 22:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Um.... HELLO.... I just found this place, but i am a whitmore alumni, well i didn't graduate from there because we never did anything educational, but i did attend there yes, for about 3-4 months. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask.
~Couture"
Welcome Couture! I do have questions, so I'll jump right in.
Do you know how your parents found out about the Whitmore? What were the sleeping habits like when you were there? How did "group" work while you were there? Was there any equine therapy while you were there and if so, what did that consist of?
Glad you found the site!! Hope you continue to post.The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.
George Washington
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hmm.... Let's see, when i was there, sleeping arrangements were that girls had their own rooms, and guys had their, although they let me sleep in the boys rooms. I never did anything with any of the guys, they were all a lot younger than me. There were boys on the same floor as girls though. I remember one time, someone came to the masnion, and we had to move all the rooms around, the boys went in the basement and girls were upstairs.
Groups were pretty much how everyone describes them. Never planned, always spur of the moment. Whenever something went how Sheryl didn't want it to go, she would call a group. Then pretty much single someone out, and everyone would gang up on them. I don't really recall anyone hitting anyone, except one time, i don't think it was due to her direction, though. It could have been because she didn't get that upset about it. I think she slapped a girl once though, and she would constantly call people names, like slut, bitch, loser. I was only the brunt of the group once, because i was constantly on tip toes. It was like we could do something one day, and the next day do the same exact thing, but she would get horrendously mad about it the next day for some reason.
I am not sure about how my parents found out about it. I know it was an educational consultant, but not any of the ones mentioned above.
Equince therapy? I wouldn't really call it that. We would ride, I prbably rode a dozen, maybe less times while i was there. I am a pretty accomplished rider, so I rose a lot more than others. No one usually went with us, not Sheryl or Mark. Trinity came a couple of times. I actually schooled a coiple of kids while I was there.
I think that pretty much answers your questions. Feel free to ask more.
~Couture
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how long ago has it been since you were there? During what year did you spend your 3-4 months there?
howbizarre
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I was there in '02, when were you there?
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i was there in 03.
howbizarre
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Am i allowed to name names?
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I was there in 2003.
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Whitmore Alumni, were your trips or vacations anything like the ones described here?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=35#93472 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9019&forum=35#93472)
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No, I will admit that some of the contents are true, but no one snuck on the ship. There was a kid there that didn't have his visa and so he had to go home. So if he had to go home how would they manage sneaking kids on the ship? On that cruise everyone had there bed there wasn't more kids in a room that wasn't supposed to be. Everyone was equal.
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I've been on several cruises, and would be surprised if anyone could actually sneak aboard a cruise line. The cabin-person knows who will be in the CABIN even before your arrival, as does the resturants, etc. You use an ID card, and at each port, all guests are accounted for when you leave the ship, and arrive back---before the ship leaves the dock. Security is tight aboard ship.
All the other horrendous behaviors, I believe 100%.
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On 2005-04-07 09:00:00, Whitmore Alumni wrote:
"No, I will admit that some of the contents are true, but no one snuck on the ship. There was a kid there that didn't have his visa and so he had to go home. So if he had to go home how would they manage sneaking kids on the ship? On that cruise everyone had there bed there wasn't more kids in a room that wasn't supposed to be. Everyone was equal."
OK, well there's a lot more there than just sneaking aboard the cruise ship. Was the cruise as its been described here (very little supervision, kids running 'wild' etc.)
Were the trips to Mexico like the one that has been described lately? What were your sleeping arrangements while on the road and once you arrived at your destination? Did you have adequate access to proper hygiene? Was there any sneaking onto resort properties?Being sleepy can impair someone's ability to do thier job. People
can sleep at home and come to the job with sleepiness still in their system. The sleepiness can still be there long after the employee has slept. When someone is found to be sleepy on the job, they can claim that they went to sleep the night before. The only solution to this problem is to ban employees from sleeping.
--Arthur Slabosky
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On 2005-04-07 10:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've been on several cruises, and would be surprised if anyone could actually sneak aboard a cruise line. The cabin-person knows who will be in the CABIN even before your arrival, as does the resturants, etc. You use an ID card, and at each port, all guests are accounted for when you leave the ship, and arrive back---before the ship leaves the dock. Security is tight aboard ship.
All the other horrendous behaviors, I believe 100%."
I personally checked into taking a cruise 3 weeks ago. I got pricing for 2 adults and an 18 year old. I had planned to get the 18 year old their own room. NO CAN DO... you have to be 21 or older to have a room or their must be someone 21 or older in the room with them. That is the rule. So please tell me how they managed to have that many 21 year olds accomodating 40 minors??? Most cabins sleep 2-4 so that is still 10 cabins or more. Do the math, they needed at least 10 over 21! Any answers for that?
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Good question. Maybe this is how Cheryl did it. She takes a few kids aboard the ship. Takes their passes, leaves the ship, comes back with another group. When they go ashore, some stay on the ship. Same way she works the buffets -- take some of the kids in, pay for them. Other kids are waiting in the bus. When part of the first group is finished eating, they trade places with the ones waiting in the bus. Just create a little confusion with a group, bunch them all up, the person place of business employee can't remember every face, when they are all moving around, switching places, whatever. Get the picture? Cheryl is good at it, had lots of practive. If questioned, she causes a scene. Customer is always right. She's slick. She's also stupid!!!
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On 2005-04-06 18:36:00, Couture wrote:
"Am i allowed to name names? "
It's up to you. As far as I'm concerned, you can say anything you want to. I'm not responsible for that as host or administrator.
If you want my personal advice, I'd be very careful. You may cause unintended harm to people and/or they may be unhappy about it and make trouble for you. I think the best way to do it is probably to obscure the name w/ dashes or whatever. Instead of saying "Joe Smyth" you might say Joe S---h or something. That way, anyone who aready knows Joe will get what you're saying, but his name wouldn't come up on a Google search or anything.
You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.
--Albert Einstein
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I was just wondering if any of the alumni knew the same people that I went there with. PJ, Casey, Doug, Kritin, Marie, Dave?? I won't say any last names.
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On 2005-04-08 12:10:00, Couture wrote:
"I was just wondering if any of the alumni knew the same people that I went there with. PJ, Casey, Doug, Kritin, Marie, Dave?? I won't say any last names. "
yea casey's there, i talked to her a couple of days ago, kristin worte last week and doug called yesterday. Mark just sent a letter to dave today, but to tell you the truth, if they knew you were saying the things youve said, i dont think they would want to have anything to do with you. You forgot little josh, he came and spent the month of august with us, im sure this would make him cry. what makes people turn on there friends the way you have? I've heard the reason you were here is because your parent never trusted you, why dont you tell all the people about your wilderness program experience and all of the so called abuse you had there? i thought you had to walk 20 miles a day and your shoes were taken away form you and you couldnt shave for 45 days! and you only got to eat rice and beans, tell me excactly what you have learned out of your life experiences? i hope i dont turn out like you.
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On 2005-04-08 14:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
Mark just sent a letter to dave today, but to tell you the truth, if they knew you were saying the things youve said, i dont think they would want to have anything to do with you.
That's not natural or healthy. Look, Couture is not saying anything really scandalous. Why this level of hostility? It doesn't make sense at all. And then you go on to try and defame her? And it doesn't even look like you know her at all. "I've heard the reason you were here..."? From whom? The same people who told you their horses were shot by crazy Canadians and the mean old Vancouver government wouldn't do anything to help?
Puhleeze!
Why were you sent to Whitmore? Remember, if they're encouraging you to dish the dirt on this gal, don't you think they might do the same to you if you ever have any difference w/ them in future? Doesn't even have to be anything major. Just any minor difference w/ the party line; it's all black and white, for "us" or against "us". I would caution you, do what you have to do to protect yourself, but don't go so far as to entirely alienate yourself from these ppl w/ whom you're now so upset. When you finally get out (and it's only a matter of time) they may be the best friends you could ask for. No one else will really understand.
In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn?t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
--Protestant minister Martin Neimoller
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Thank you. There is some intelligence spoken amongst non-intellects. Are they kidding, really?
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corture, do you know anything about Cheryl's ability to do scripting? What it is , how it works?
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So everyone Corture mentions is just still in love with Whitmore, and writes or calls just all the time? Sure they do. The only bad person, talking negatively about Whitmore is this poor, misguided girl? Whatever could be her problem, huh? Perhaps, she grew up? Perhaps she is mentally well? Perhaps she is happy away from THERE? Since she was only THERE 3-4 months, perhaps her parents realized what a bad choice they made to begin with by enrolling her THERE?
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From what I have been able to find out, scripting is some sort of praying or "ritual" practiced, within the Mormon religion, to rid one of negative "stuff." Could be attitude, thoughts, illness, etc.
FYI: Some of my research on Mormonism, the Mormoms who adhere to the beliefs of the Salt Lake
powers that be are very different than Mormons is other states.
I also find it interesting that the Sudweeks claim to have this wonderful "Christian" atmosphere -- for lack of a better word -- when, if fact, the Mormons do not believe in Christianity as it is commonly known. In fact, anyone who is not Mormon is "evil-- satan."
Utah has twice as many divorces, suicides among teenage girls, child abuse. and young girls pregnant before marriage than the rest of the U.S.
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Scripting as I knew it, was basically that. We would sit in a room with Wendy, a neighbor of the Whitmore's, I don't kow if she was liscenced in anything, if their is even liscensing for that sort of thing. My memories of that are kind of vague, though. I do remember she would say, okay, now think back to when you were four months in the womb. What do you see? What do you feel? What a crock. Seriously. What I thought back to, and what I felt was basically stuff that Sheryl had been telling me about my parents. About how they didn't care about me, and wanted to get rid of me. So I would come up with explanations for my relationship with them through this 'scripting'. My mom did not approve of me doing scripting, because she did not know what it was about, and she asked Sheryl not to let me do it. She let me do it anyways.
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Mr. Bean said Cheryl could do scripting really well- that she could "script anybody." Guess she figured out how to do it, huh? Sounds sort of "voo-doo stuff to me."
But if your mother asked that you not participate, her request should have been honored.
We asked that our 12 year old daughter not be allowed to wear make-up; and that request was not honored. Some girl there even arched our daughter's eyebrows. Age 12 is too young for this.
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It is interesting that the posting from Whitmore wanted Corture to share her "Wilderness experience." Why? Because it might be more extreme, or a bit more abusive than her experience at Whitmore? Why bring that up? Just a form of deflection, or a warning that someone knows more "dirt to expose" about this girl?
I do hope Corture/Allison keeps posting.
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Yeah, don't worry, I am not about to let that get to me. I will continue to post and answer any questions anyone may have.
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Corture,
I'm not asking any details of the wilderness programs. But were you pulled from the wilderness program, and then placed at Whitmore?
Do you know who referred your parents to Whitmore?
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Scripting isn't that big of a deal. Sorry I haven't been posting as much. I knew josh, casie, matt, dave, doug, P.J, knew all of them they were great i miss them a ton. Good times. That was my first group till they all left. :sad:
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Whitmore Alumni,
We only ask what scripting is and how it works.
Mr. Bean says it is a big deal, and that Cheryl Sudweeks can "script anyone." He keeps saying all us unforturnate parents need a good scripting from Cheryl. We'd just like to know what it is, how it works, what it could do for us. It sounds like a BIG DEAL.
Explain it to us.
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On 2005-04-11 08:48:00, Joyce Harris wrote:
"Corture,
I'm not asking any details of the wilderness programs. But were you pulled from the wilderness program, and then placed at Whitmore?
Do you know who referred your parents to Whitmore?"
No, I was not pulled, I graduated my wilderness program. No abuse was inflicted on me while I was there either. My parents were under the impression that Whitmore was for people that had graduated another harder program to ready them for a less strict. more school work kind of program. None of the kids that were there when I was there had been to another program.
The person that referred me was an ed consultant. Steve B or Steve S something. My mom couldnt' even remember. He was obviously not a very good ed consultant.
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scripting is a bunch oof doo doo :lol:
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I figured it was probably "doo doo" but I would still like to know how it is done, how it works, and how Cheryl Sudweeks explains this "mysterious power she seems to think she has."
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Scritping is basically a book I will tell you what book it is and then you can buy it. Scripting is a book you read.
" Healing Feelings from the Heart" By: Karol Truman
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Whitmore Alumni:
This book was used for the "Feelings" semininars that supposedly took place at Lake Powell when our daughter was first enrolled at Whitmore. We purchased this book to read--in order to know what our daughter was being taught at Whitmore. This book does not give any type of instructions for "scripiting someone" or anything along those lines. One student has described "Cheryl's scripting" tobeing instructed to mentally go all the way back to when a person was in the mother's womb, and stuff like that. Mr. Bean seems to say that is one is "scripted by Cheryl" they will have a LIFE ALTERING EXPERIENCE. The author of this book does not speak in this manner.
I was more intested in "Cheryl's process"...how she actually goes about "scripting someone."
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It's not in that book, it's in FEELINGS BURIED ALIVE NEVER DIE. and it really is not a big deal. Going back into the womb isn't scripting, the script is a page long. As far as Mr. Beans' comments, that's Mr. Beans's comments.....this is blown out of proportion....leave it alone.
Chris C.
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When Cheryl Sudweeks tells kids she can "do scripting" and she makes a big deal out of doing this "procedure," it should not be LEFT ALONE. It needs to be explained. Why does Cherly findSCRIPTING, Numerology, Subliminals.... and all this type of thing important enough to talk about, and to teach kids-- kids, who BTW were sent to Whitmore for REAL SCHOOL, like academics and for THERAPY ffrom a licensed professional therapist. Not to have some raving woman doing "voo-doo" and running group therapy sessions AS IF she is a therapist.
Real school, and real therapy is what parents were paying THOUSANDS of dollars a month for--not some culty witchcraft.
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Yeah- and those ASS HOLES in Utah handling out the licenses KNEW they were doing it- and still let them.
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We still don't understand "what doing it" really means????
The Sudweeks no longer have a license for a treatment center. That license was removed after the investigation for child abuse began.
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"Doing it" means- they were turned in long before the November 2004 abuse situation happened. They were turned in for not having a license and not having licensed therapy personnel and passing out highschool transcripts that were no good for high school credit or not even from the same high school program that we were told our kids were doing work from. AND they were also turned in for slapping the kids. This on top of the Canada situation- UTAH still thought they were kind upstanding and honest people that they deserved a license. AND even tho they turned in their license- they still have kids- only as a boarding school. AND just wait the planning comm. will give them a permit for it.
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Well, IF the planning commission gives the Suds the permit--- there won't be a whole lot the Suds can do with a permit when the Suds are charged formally with child abuse and face a trial, and a nice jury finds them guilty, now is there?
The Utah authorities are still working on this case, don't forget THAT! The wheels of justice may turn slowly; but they are turning. And every revolution brings the Suds closer and closer to a court date.
The Suds seem to enjoy court dates anyway---otherwise, why did they drag the former student into court today on the bogus horse deal? Practice maybe?
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Holy crap... people... come on seriously look at what your writing, it starts off nice and ends up being these over exagerated lies. Sorry chris c u were right it is feelings buried alive never die.
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Whitmore Alumni:
Exactly what in the previous post is an exaggerated lie?
Mark Sudweeks DID file a suit against a former student--and it did go to court yesterday. This was Mark Sudweeks DOINGS...he is the ONE who brought the suit...silly, and stupid as it was.
The investigation for child abuse against the Sudweeks is STILL ACTIVE...nothing has gone away.
Have you read the investigation reports? Do you know exactly what the abuse allegations ARE? I don't think so---so you nor I know what is in the investigation reports. SO you have no way of knowing if anything is under-or-over-reported. So, you have no right to refer to anything as EXAGERATED LIE. You just do not know.
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I realize the "Wheels of Justice" turn slowly- but- I can't understand why- they are allowed to have kids there now. They should have been sent home.
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I personally think one of the reasons that they can still have kids there is because what ever cheryl wants, cheryl gets. thats how i remember it, and i doubt that it's changed!!
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OR that the parents who have kids there KNOWING the Sudweeks are being investigated for child abuse would simply go and bring their kids home, right? But, remember--the Sudweeks have their TRUE BELIEVERS...that's how this deal--some call it a cult--- works.
AND some of these parents just flat-out don't want thier kid home, PERIOD. That's hard to hear, but that's a fact too.
And another issue: some of the new kids there, placed most probably by none other than the famous "REFERRAL DIVA" might not even know that the Sudweeks are under investigation for child abuse and fraud, etc. Don't think for one moment that the "RERRAL: DIVA" told these new parents--"Oh and by the way, the owners of Whitmore are under investigation........." No, I doubt she informed any new parents/students of the ongoing problems at Whitmore.
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Well, you know what, Anon? The whole world just does not revolve around MS. Cheryl Sudweeks and what she wants. And she just may find that out. The world does revolve around laws, and obedience of laws, and a bit of justice thrown in there once in awhile.
Who even knows or cares what Cheryl Sudweeks wants? I wouldn't even venture a guess.
IT IS OBVIOUS WHAT SHE ENJOYS:
Humiliating and hurting children to their core.
Shamming and conning parents out of money.
Manipulating every system that is suppose to be regulating their so-called "school."
Professing to be "religious" yet scorning every symbol that is representative of her "chosen religion," like dancing about in her sacred undergarments.
Being a liar and never backing down when confronted with the truth..even court documents.
What does Cheryl Sudweeks WANT? Who cares?
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I forgot to sign in on the previous post. Joyce Harris
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Joyce shouldn't you be taking care of your troubled teen instead of worrying about everybody else?
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And WHO ARE YOU TO BE GIVING ME ADVISE?
My daughter is in school--a REAL school that is open everyday ....NOT that it is any of your business....and she is not "troubled."
AND just what are YOU doing on this fine sight? Don't YOU have anything better to do?
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If your daughter it not "troubled" the why send her to the Whitmore for help
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Joyce--if you need any more help with your troubled teen, please contact SIBS (http://http://fornits.com/SIBS) asap. We're the best in the industry.
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I don't believe I gave any impression that I was "worried about anyone." I clearly expressed I don't care what Cheryl Sudweeks "wants." I do not need YOU, whoever you are, to interpret my words.
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IF I decide to enroll my daughter at SIBS---I will only refer her thru Ginger. She's the best.
LOL
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Joyce-
There, there.....it's allright.....calm down.
I know how upsetting it can be to realize that your child needs help. We at SIBS understand.
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Joyce What do you care about?
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IF I decide to enroll my daughter at SIBS---I will only refer her thru Ginger. She's the best.
LOL
Ginger is an angel. She has been extremely helpful to us.
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Joyce so is z still in gangs?
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If your kid is in gangs, we have a special treatment for that- the gorilla cage! It teaches them firsthand the horrors of getting sent to prison without being raped by a diseased human. (the gorilla has had his shots)
http://fornits.com/SIBS/bdsm.htm (http://fornits.com/SIBS/bdsm.htm)
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Hello Sue...how's things? Who you SUE-ing these days...or don't you have any friends left?
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Why thank you DR. It is so nice to know someone out there cares.
Do you know Sue Scheff? She talks and talks and talks and says she cares to!!!
Maybe you need to contact her. She sends kids to programs all the time. Maybe she could send some bad bad kids to your program so you could help those kids, too!!!
But you will have to pay MS. Scheff lots and lots of money---because she charges big ole referral fees to hook you up with desperate parents, OK?
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Maybe she could send some bad bad kids to your program so you could help those kids, too!!! But you will have to pay MS. Scheff lots and lots of money---because she charges big ole referral fees to hook you up with desperate parents, OK?
Antigen has been providing us with more than enough clients, and at a quite reasonable rate. However, if we sould ever need more help in this area, we won't hesitate to contact Ms. Scheff. No can-do with the high rates--though we could offer her a free day of participation in BDSM therapy if she feels that she "needs" it for some reason...
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What exactly is that therapy?
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http://fornits.com/SIBS/bdsm.htm (http://fornits.com/SIBS/bdsm.htm) :eek:
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Read the site...it just might work. If the "REFERRAL DIVA" signs up, it should work just fine.
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On 2005-04-20 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Joyce shouldn't you be taking care of your troubled teen instead of worrying about everybody else?"
Never mind the man behind the curtain.Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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On 2005-04-19 08:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I realize the "Wheels of Justice" turn slowly- but- I can't understand why- they are allowed to have kids there now. They should have been sent home."
Same reason Mark Wardle was able to get another license for wilderness "therapy"; it's Utah. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
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Dr. Fucktard- nice site, but I think you ought to call it SUDS- in light of our good friends the Sudweeks. The site sounds very much like their senario. :eek: :lol:
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this is lindsey schofield im happy and doing fine i went to whitmore and it was all fine boo ya
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Lindsey,
Could you tell us about the positive aspects of Whitmore Academy?
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hey Lindsey this is Kayleigh how have you been???
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If your kid is in a gang, we have a special treatment just for that- the gorilla cage! It teaches them firsthand the horrors of getting sent to prison without being raped by a diseased human!
http://fornits.com/SIBS/bdsm.htm (http://fornits.com/SIBS/bdsm.htm)
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does any one know how Leah did??
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The whole story is soon to come. Lookin good for Leah so far
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yay i was there and i know the whole story and she should win
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Kayleigh! hey you never called me. private message me and ill tell u who i am[ This Message was edited by: Whitmore Alumni on 2005-04-25 08:59 ]
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Former Student you say you "you know the whole story." What do you know about Leah and her horse? Why do you think Leah should win this horse case that Mark Sudweeks brought against Leah?
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Former student wasn't there when leahs horse was there. I think leah should pay for the stable and the water and the care for her horse. She wasn't too responsible
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Did the Suds use Leah's horse for "equine therapy" while Leah was not there?
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Yes, the Sudweeks did use Leah's horse in their "horse program." This horse was assigned to our daughter while she was at the Whitmore. Understand another student who was there for a year also wrote the judge a letter that Teza was used in the "horse program" while he was there. Stands to reason the Suds had to feed the horse and board it too, right? And Leah was not paid for the horses services.... So why SLAPP Leah with a suit for "boarding and feeding" the horse? Sure doesn't make any sense to me---except to perhaps intimidate an 18 year old girl.
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Yes, Joyce I believe that. I would like an answer from Whitmore Alumni though. I'd like to hear from their perspective why they think Leah should be held responsible for the boarding of the horse.
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Whitmore Alumni, why should Leah pay for "room and board" for her horse when:
YES, the Sudweeks did use Leah's horse,TEZA, in their "horse program"---and the Suds did not pay Leah for these services.
Teza was assigned to our daughter while she was at Whitmore. Another student who was at Whitmore for a year wrote a letter to the court stating TEZA was used in the "horse program" the entire time he was enrolled at Whitmore.
So, it stands to reason, the Suds needed to board and feed a horse they were using in THEIR "horse program."
Why did Mark Sudweeks SLAPP a suit on an 18 year old girl? A form of intimdation is all I can thik of>
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whitmore alumni
excuse the hell out of you. i was with Leah when Teza arrived. i was there when she rode her.
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hello4
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leah is a slut and a very irresponsible one. I honestly have hated her since day one. She's a backstabbing whore and deserves what she gets. I always got into trouble for hating her. She probably knows who i am. She's a shit talker. Thats all she does. She could never actually stand up and do something about anything. I hate her with a passion, especially when she was my roomate. And if there weren't people holding me back then she knows she would have gotten it from me.
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Anon, do you think that answers the question about horse boarding? You hate her so she should pay Tweek and Peek another big chunk of money? Do you think there are people who dislike you? And would that make it fair and just for anyone to come along and scam you out of a bunch of money?
...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them...
-- George Mason
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how long is the group gonna be in mexico for??
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The group is back from Mexico already. Had to get back for that SLAPP suit against Leah--had to be in court. Of of course Graduation is coming up, TOO. For all the good that will do the "graduates." Most of them will have to take the GED if they intend to go to college. Just ask the former students out there! And some will never get their "transcripts" anyway. One student posting here on this forum says he/she has been trying for months! Just pitiful.