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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 17, 2005, 07:18:00 PM
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Didn't you personally accompany Sue and friends to the wwasps vs. pure trial?
Don't you currently have an anti-wwasps website on the internet that Shelby with ISAC helped you with?
Maybe you should put up another site on the net against the Whitmore since you dislike them as well?
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So then if Karen is a bit daffy, then that would make it OK for Sue to refer to Whitmore? Or how about Glacier Mountain? Or Skyline Journey? So long as Karen is a bit eccentric, those are OK too? BTW, do you know if Sue plans to start shipping kids to Distant Drums now that Mark's back in business out of Nephi?
Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter
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Ginger, what do these schools and KZ have to do with someone home schooling children while under the influence of mary jane?
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Absolutely nothing that I can see. Why would you ask?
When we talk to god, it's prayer. When god talks to us, it's schizophrenia.
--Lily Tomlin, American actress
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Sue, I swear, I'd think you'd have better sence.
Cut the crap and grow up.
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Reason being is, don't you or didn't you home school your children?
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Girls, private messages? What's wrong don't want to play YOUR own games tonight?
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I'll play - fire me off a message, email, phone call, and I'll talk your ear off or write you another 7 page inditment.
Your choice.
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Already asked the questions; waiting on answers still.
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Lee, do you understand the meaning of the term "private"?
This I believe: That the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: The freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: Any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual.
--John Steinbeck, American novelist
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What? This isn't a public forum? Un-moderated and all I see...censorship at it's best.
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I could have sworn this was a public forum? You know...where everyone can say what they want, remain anonynous & without a moderator.
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Lee, you are such an adept troll! Even going to the trouble of calling in your friends.
Yes, this is a public forum. It has a private message feature. You may use it if you want. Just like anybody.Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Now, why would you be caren', I'm wondering, I am.
Who am I, that you care what I think, or what I do?
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Don't know nothin about call'n any friends? sadly mistaken on that one...miss know it all.
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Ever thought of two PC's maybe?
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On 2005-03-17 18:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't know nothin about call'n any friends? sadly mistaken on that one...miss know it all."
How's your friend's grandkid?I know that our bodies were made to thrive only in pure air, and the scenes in which pure air is found.
-- John Muir
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Can you say Laptop? L-A-P-T-O-P
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:rofl: Yes! Yes I CAN say laptop!
I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!
-- Monty Python
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On 2005-03-17 18:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ever thought of two PC's maybe?"
Sure! I always keep a spare laptop w/ wireless svc in NY, just in case I land up there when I absolutely NEED to make a post to Fornits. :rofl: Impiety: Your irreverence toward my deity.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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So how's your lawsuit going these days?
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Don't know anything about NY & wireless...mine is through an outfit here? Not sure why it would be registering up there?
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The wireless service is so I can conduct business while traveling & just check in on you from time to time...you know how I just love fornuts.
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But we haven't heard from you in ages. Why the sudden interest? No really, why? Have you given it any serious thought?
As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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On 2005-03-17 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So how's your lawsuit going these days?"
::eek3::
any thoughts?
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No news. But it's a non-issue anyway. Always was.
Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Just checking. Hopefully in a few days news of a new lawsuit will be published.
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Should have been a new "old" lawsuit...
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Read all about it in the other thread where you asked.
Don't spam, OK?Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous
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Anon,
FYI KB didnt accompny Sue Scheff to the wwasp vs Pure trial. We were there because wwasp abused our children and defrauded us parents.
The trial in Utah was a mutal concern for all involved.
As it played out the conspiracy accusation was a bad joke. The abuse was exposed.
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On 2005-03-17 20:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
The abuse was exposed.
Some of the abuse was exposed. More psyche abuse is evident at http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=35&2125 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=35&2125)
Make your own call...The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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On 2005-03-17 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Didn't you personally accompany Sue and friends to the wwasps vs. pure trial?
Don't you currently have an anti-wwasps website on the internet that Shelby with ISAC helped you with?
Maybe you should put up another site on the net against the Whitmore since you dislike them as well?
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Maybe she's just started to question some of the things she's been lead to believe. A lot of very good questions have been asked of Sue and PURE about the set of standards that they use to deem programs acceptable. Some other very good questions have been posed as to why an organization that bills itself on the "safer" one wouldn't investigate some of what has been going on in some of the programs they are referring parents to. There haven't been any answers and I think that is making more people than just Buzz a little concerned and now they're starting to dig a little deeper and they're not exactly pleased with what they're seeing. "The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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Whatever...
Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
Mark Twain
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Spam?
I think that went over your head ginger...no spaming here. I was refering to an "old" new law suit from yesteryear! Yea shall see, should be available in print sometime next week.
You must be refering to the ISAC & Bob show...that's old news? Huh!
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FYI anon, "WE"? I remember pictures of a "happy" group? I don't recall the trial having anything to do with abuse? I do recall it being about integrity?
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On 2005-03-17 21:09:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
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On 2005-03-17 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Didn't you personally accompany Sue and friends to the wwasps vs. pure trial?
Don't you currently have an anti-wwasps website on the internet that Shelby with ISAC helped you with?
Maybe you should put up another site on the net against the Whitmore since you dislike them as well?
::flipflop:: "
Maybe she's just started to question some of the things she's been lead to believe. A lot of very good questions have been asked of Sue and PURE about the set of standards that they use to deem programs acceptable. Some other very good questions have been posed as to why an organization that bills itself on the "safer" one wouldn't investigate some of what has been going on in some of the programs they are referring parents to. There haven't been any answers and I think that is making more people than just Buzz a little concerned and now they're starting to dig a little deeper and they're not exactly pleased with what they're seeing. "The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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I wanted to make it clear that I'm not speaking for Buzz. These are just my personal observationsNothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.
--Martin Luther King, Jr.
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On 2005-03-17 21:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"FYI anon, "WE"? I remember pictures of a "happy" group? I don't recall the trial having anything to do with abuse? I do recall it being about integrity?"
Jesus Christ on a broken crutch. Don't you remember anything? From the public pov, that trial was all about Sue Scheff as a heroin exposing abuse in WWASP (now WWASPS) programs. Good work! You guys did that and stood by it! Now that you've won, do you not care about child abuse in other programs? Don't rest on your laurels.
Religions are all alike; founded upon fables and mythologies.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Someone has definately flipped the lid. Are you really prepared for this fight.
Whitmore's not worth it. You'll lose....The house maybe?
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No you're wrong. We were there for the abuse.The fraud. What we believed would be setting a public record. It was put into public record.
"happy faces" Your mind is drugged.
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time out for an announcement just like tv karen, i think you are being sued
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Oh, this might explain it! Some of these weird posts are coming from a server in Amsterdam! Dude, didn't they warn you about how potent that stuff is?
You say there is but one way to worship the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?
--Chief Red Jacket, Seneca Indian Chieftain
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Who do we know who likes to be involved in lawsuits?????
Two guesses.
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In this industry? Who do we know who's NOT continually involved in lawsuites. Shit, even avid observers are apt to get slapped from time to time.
you Momma is a big fat's ________
--Leroy Brown
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On 2005-03-18 16:39:00, Antigen wrote:
Shit, even avid observers are apt to get slapped from time to time.
:???:
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After reading all of this, all I can say is I sure am glad that I never considered this lady Sue a friend, a business associate, a relative or
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G. Dang! There is a word for people like that, you know. I just bet she's not married A-N-Y-M-O-R-E either, and is very very lonely.
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I considered her a good friend.
I am just so disapointed in her refusal to consider what the Whitmore parents and students have had to say and her vindictive reaction to those of us who have tried to save her from herself.
You know what we've always said Sue - we are intitled to our opinions.
I never thought my opinion could sink so low were it once was so high.
And Lee, Your glee is very odd. You need to read up on this Whitmore situation. Check out ISAC's Whitmore documents. Get on over to the Whitmore forum and spend the week end reading.
These folks upset with Whitmore are not the crazys and the kooks youve been lead to believe. You recall how we are always explained away? You'll be struck at how familiar the debates will sound. I know I was.
And for those who think Whitmore not worth anyones concern - too small - bigger fish to fry and all that -
Please keep in mind Aaron Bacon didn't die in a wwasp program. Or Michelle Sutton or Ian August or Nicholas Contreras - or many, many others.
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On 2005-03-18 20:12:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"I considered her a good friend.
I am just so disapointed in her refusal to consider what the Whitmore parents and students have had to say and her vindictive reaction to those of us who have tried to save her from herself.
You know what we've always said Sue - we are intitled to our opinions.
I never thought my opinion could sink so low were it once was so high.
And Lee, Your glee is very odd. You need to read up on this Whitmore situation. Check out ISAC's Whitmore documents. Get on over to the Whitmore forum and spend the week end reading.
These folks upset with Whitmore are not the crazys and the kooks youve been lead to believe. You recall how we are always explained away? You'll be struck at how familiar the debates will sound. I know I was.
And for those who think Whitmore not worth anyones concern - too small - bigger fish to fry and all that -
Please keep in mind Aaron Bacon didn't die in a wwasp program. Or Michelle Sutton or Ian August or Nicholas Contreras - or many, many others.
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Well, the Cayo Hueso spelling police should be all over this one soon enough.
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On 2005-03-18 20:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-03-18 20:12:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"I considered her a good friend.
I am just so disapointed in her refusal to consider what the Whitmore parents and students have had to say and her vindictive reaction to those of us who have tried to save her from herself.
You know what we've always said Sue - we are intitled to our opinions.
I never thought my opinion could sink so low were it once was so high.
And Lee, Your glee is very odd. You need to read up on this Whitmore situation. Check out ISAC's Whitmore documents. Get on over to the Whitmore forum and spend the week end reading.
These folks upset with Whitmore are not the crazys and the kooks youve been lead to believe. You recall how we are always explained away? You'll be struck at how familiar the debates will sound. I know I was.
And for those who think Whitmore not worth anyones concern - too small - bigger fish to fry and all that -
Please keep in mind Aaron Bacon didn't die in a wwasp program. Or Michelle Sutton or Ian August or Nicholas Contreras - or many, many others.
Well, the Cayo Hueso spelling police should be all over this one soon enough."
DAMN! Talk about deflecting!! How about those very legitimate points that Buzz just brought up???O senseless man, who cannot possibly make a worm and yet will make Gods by the dozen!
--Michel Eyqyem de Montaigne, French essayist
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Buzzkill, you are asking the almost impossible, you are asking Sue to look at the kids, and the danger they may be in at the Whitmore Academy. That does not appear to be in Sue Scheff's vision at all. She has made her stand, and that is to support the Sudweeks 100% and to keep those referral fees rolling in. Any PROFESSIONAL would step back and wait for the authorities to clear the Sudweeks of any charges of child abuse and sexual abuse before she enrolled another kid at Whitmore, right? If the authorities drop the investigation--fine, Sue Scheff and the Sudweeks can yell it from the roof tops. BUT while they are being investigated for fraud, and abuse of kids--NO ONE should place another single kid at Whitmore Academy!
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On 2005-03-18 20:25:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
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On 2005-03-18 20:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-03-18 20:12:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"I considered her a good friend.
I am just so disapointed in her refusal to consider what the Whitmore parents and students have had to say and her vindictive reaction to those of us who have tried to save her from herself.
You know what we've always said Sue - we are intitled to our opinions.
I never thought my opinion could sink so low were it once was so high.
And Lee, Your glee is very odd. You need to read up on this Whitmore situation. Check out ISAC's Whitmore documents. Get on over to the Whitmore forum and spend the week end reading.
These folks upset with Whitmore are not the crazys and the kooks youve been lead to believe. You recall how we are always explained away? You'll be struck at how familiar the debates will sound. I know I was.
And for those who think Whitmore not worth anyones concern - too small - bigger fish to fry and all that -
Please keep in mind Aaron Bacon didn't die in a wwasp program. Or Michelle Sutton or Ian August or Nicholas Contreras - or many, many others.
Well, the Cayo Hueso spelling police should be all over this one soon enough."
DAMN! Talk about deflecting!! How about those very legitimate points that Buzz just brought up???O senseless man, who cannot possibly make a worm and yet will make Gods by the dozen!
--Michel Eyqyem de Montaigne, French essayist
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Well, I'm just concerned, like you, about the spelling Cayo Hueso.
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On 2005-03-18 20:43:00, Anonymous
Well, I'm just concerned, like you, about the spelling Cayo Hueso."
Now you're making me dizzy with the multiple quotes. Learn to use the quote feature properly. :lol:
Do you really want to start going around like this or would you like to answer the questions now?Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
Mark Twain
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MMMM.... KAREN BURNETT.... ARE YOU THE SAME PERSON THAT IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR PROBLEMS???? :exclaim:
WHAT ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS IN ALA??? ARE THEY READY TO COME TO MEXICO? :scared:
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Anon,
Get a fucking life! Cayo's spelling isnt the issue here. You and your evasivness is.
Why the superior smug attitude? What are you in this for?
Life has bigger problems than a few spelling errors.
Her messages are cler. Your's are not.
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Anon who wants to have a Spelling Bee--- go shopping, take a nap, do SOMETHING! But quit taking up valuable space.
I'd rather read something meaningful that Buzzkill has to say than your stupid remarks.
Do you have anything worthwhile to say? Doesn't seem like it.