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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 14, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
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What is the criteria used by Sue Scheff in determining that schools she refers to are "good?"
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Good question. Educational Consultants are certified, plus they must have a college degree to do what they do.
Sue Scheff of PURE has neither and does not have personal (did not have a kid in one of the schools she refers to)
She's built a business on scaring people away from WWASPS schools - even though CEDU, ASPEN EDUCATION GROUP, PROVO CANYON and many others have the same press.
You won't get an answer from her, though. Much to hide?
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On 2005-03-14 17:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Good question. Educational Consultants are certified, plus they must have a college degree to do what they do.
Really? That's news! Exactly what kind of degree do they have to have? And who provides certification?
What about the WWASPS parents who get free tuition for referals? Are they certified?
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Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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I agree with the statement about Ed Con's. I contacted two different ones, representing basically the same schools. They both had a
college degree and were licensed/certified as
educational consultants. They were very good at what they did, even in a crunch for time.
My neighbor had her son at Cross Creek a few years ago and when I asked her about it, she asked me to talk with her son. No ed con in the world could have done in an hour what this young man did. It was my gut feeling that determined what was best, even though I didn't know if it would be at the time. I still don't know, but know my kid is actually admitting to needing to be there. Time will tell.
Did my neighbor get money for this. Actually, she didn't. I ended up calling them direct because she said she didn't need the money. It was her son that convinced me, not by saying you need to do this, but by telling me about his life prior to going and what he is doing now. He graduated in August of 2001.
BTW, the two ed cons I spoke with badmouthed Cross Creek. Come to find out the reason was that Cross Creek doesn't pay to refer to them. Good shot! DIdn't work.
Does Sue Scheff do the same thing? Would she be making money if she didn't make her business a WWASPS scare site, like the previous poster said?
Are the programs she refers to better? I don't think so, they're just different names and not a part of WWASPS.
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Understand this, Dolphin. I believe Perigaud. However, I don't think she fully understands how the whole thing works either. CCM may not have an OP room right there on campus. But the kids who are unable to reel themselves in or unwilling to go along w/ whatever happens can and do get shipped off to TB. If your son is a lot like Perri, he probably won't get the roughest treatment. But a lot of us were like that. The worst part of the whole experience years later is running into people who couldn't take it, remembering watching how they came to be so wrecked and not being able to do anything to save them.
It's really not all that pretty. Even Perrigaud will tell you that.
But, for purposes of this conversation about referals, your "referal" agent was evidently a young man who had been subject to the questionable methods employed by WWASP. Not real impresive. And how do you suppose your good neighbor might have reacted if, instead of telling you how wonderful the program worked for him he had told you that he still has nightmares? Does your neighbor have an exit plan? You should ask them about those details.
BTW, how was the seminar?
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probably visits the school personally and knows the individuals or corps who run them, would be my guess?
ed con...degree? i don't recall any degree when i went to college pertaining to ed cons? been awhile though?
these questions wouldn't be to support someone's legal agenda? now, would they?
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Yea--like these schools don't put their BEST FOOT FORWARD for an ed-con visitor??? These places even fool parents. And ed-cons WANT to be FOOLED.
Sue Scheff will tell you today...Whitmore Academy has CERTIFIED teachers and is FULLY acredited. Now you go check it out.
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On 2005-03-15 16:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"probably visits the school personally and knows the individuals or corps who run them, would be my guess?
ed con...degree? i don't recall any degree when i went to college pertaining to ed cons? been awhile though?
these questions wouldn't be to support someone's legal agenda? now, would they?"
Tell us Sue, about legal agenda's.
Your not immune to having legal agendas, are you? You'll do what you can to set a person up for liability, if it suites your needs, won't you? You'll throw people to the wolves and stand back and watch the mauling, if it fits in with your current legal agenda, won't you? Nevermind how patient and understanding they've been with you.
What kind of person ARE you?
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You'd think the people over at Whitmore might read some of this....think maybe they might need to know who their "friends" really are....poor people.
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Why sure SHE would set people up...duh!
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On 2005-03-16 09:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-03-15 16:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"probably visits the school personally and knows the individuals or corps who run them, would be my guess?
ed con...degree? i don't recall any degree when i went to college pertaining to ed cons? been awhile though?
these questions wouldn't be to support someone's legal agenda? now, would they?"
Tell us Sue, about legal agenda's.
Your not immune to having legal agendas, are you? You'll do what you can to set a person up for liability, if it suites your needs, won't you? You'll throw people to the wolves and stand back and watch the mauling, if it fits in with your current legal agenda, won't you? Nevermind how patient and understanding they've been with you.
What kind of person ARE you?"
So she visits and judges from the visit that all is well.
And thousands of wwasp parents have visited and so know what a fine program wwasp is as a result.
I find this less reliable than the consistent and persistent reports of abuse and neglect coming from people who have Lived in these programs.
How bout it Sue? You got some kind of magic gift for discerning lying manipulators the rest of us lack? How can you keep defending people, proven to be abusive liars (at least were their animals are concerned)over parents and students who have very credible allegations of highly questionable and disturbing events at one of your trusted chosen few?
BTW - are you trying to set up ISAC & friends for problems and holding up Isabelle and unmarried as some kind of worthy replacement for the loss of ISAC?
I do believe,
induced by potent circumstances
That thou art mine enemy.
Shakespeare
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BTW - are you trying to set up ISAC & friends for problems and holding up Isabelle and unmarried as some kind of worthy replacement for the loss of ISAC?
Buzz could you explain what you are talking about or what this applies to?
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Probably best if you don't, at this point. But I'm mildly surprised at all the surprise over this latest round. What did ya'll really expect?
The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people equally in war and peace. And covers with the shield of it's protection all classes of men at all times and under all circumstances.
--US Supreme Court, Ex Parte Milligan
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Or what ever your name is today? What are you attempting to say in that last BTW-?
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On 2005-03-17 16:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
What are you attempting to say in that last BTW-?
If you honestly don't know, then you're even dumber than I thought. And you should look into it for your own sake. If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the
government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.
--President Bill Clinton
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The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people equally in war and peace. And covers with the shield of it's protection all classes of men at all times and under all circumstances.
--US Supreme Court, Ex Parte Milligan
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On 2005-03-15 13:12:00, Dolphin wrote:
"I agree with the statement about Ed Con's. I contacted two different ones, representing basically the same schools. They both had a
college degree and were licensed/certified as
educational consultants.
Who were they licensed by and as what? I've never heard of a license for an educational consultant. Who does this "certification"?Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
--Annie Dillard, "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek"
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This is another good discussion on this....
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#79972 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9&start=10#79972)
It seems to me that if PURE really refers to Whitmore and tells its customers that it wants regulations and licensing and stricter standards for all these facilities then it should explain without using words like awareness and trust and good feelings - all of which WWASP supporters use about awful WWASP- what the specific criteria it used to make Whitmore a PURE school. What were the eductational, licensing, background, therapy criteria that it met? Did it know about the association of the owners with the bad eggs in the industry and the animal abuse conviction? Did it meet any criteria other then that it convinced PURE it was anti WWASP.
Maybe its marketing program was like what PURE's seems to be. "We are not WWASP. They are bad. We are sincere. Because we are against WWASP and believe in putting families back together again you should trust us. We care about you and your children."
That is not nearly enough!
The drug war places Leo in a round room and instructs him to piss in a corner.
--Antigen
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::bump:: Is anyone going to answer these questions?
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If you honestly don't know, then you're even dumber than I thought. And you should look into it for your own sake.
Not knowing what is going on does not necessarily make someone dumb. It could be information is not being given out to those who question or are asking what Buzz's "BTW" is all about.
How do we look into it? Where do we go for the information on the "BTW"?
are you trying to set up ISAC & friends for problems and holding up Isabelle and unmarried as some kind of worthy replacement for the loss of ISAC
Who is Isabelle? Who is setting up ISAC?
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On 2005-03-18 07:57:00, Anonymous
Who is Isabelle? Who is setting up ISAC?"
Isabelle... http://www.kidsincaptivity.com/main.htm (http://www.kidsincaptivity.com/main.htm)
ISAC... http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=9#88858 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8735&forum=9#88858)
ISAC SUED BY WWASP/BOB LITCHFIELD
Unregistered User Posted: 2005-03-18 07:47:00
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Rumor has it they're going to be sued by WHITEMORE soon too I hope they get a good free lawyer case 05050037/0
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are you trying to set up ISAC & friends for problems and holding up Isabelle and unmarried as some kind of worthy replacement for the loss of ISAC
Ok thanks for the links. Now my next question is who is "you" in the above quote "are you trying to set up..."?
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On 2005-03-18 08:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
Ok thanks for the links. Now my next question is who is "you" in the above quote "are you trying to set up..."?"
This would only be a guess, but PURE/Sue??
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If I were to guess, I'd make a broader guess and say "you" refers to Sue and/or just someone who believes her. They used to be called the "Carey Sucks" club. Now some people call them the "Sue said it, I believe it, that settles it" club. I wonder if they're substantially the same group as the Trekers?
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On 2005-03-18 10:48:00, Antigen wrote:
"If I were to guess, I'd make a broader guess and say "you" refers to Sue and/or just someone who believes her.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant. Brain fart, forgot to sign in on that post I guess. :razz: The trouble with practical jokes is that very often they get elected.
Will Rogers, American humorist, political commentator and cowboy philosopher
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Gee weez Ginger,you're lagg'in. There is no Trekkers. Those of us who have seen the LIGHT have bowed out.
We have our emails though.........No bomb fire ever took place.