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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
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HAHAAHAAA! Got your attention did I? Isnt that a joke, you feed off of little seeds. Guess what? I am staring Cheryl in the face right now. The kids are healthy and strong and happy- whats that? oh my, they are real. their feelings arent being controlled, no brainwashing, no abuse. bummer, im sorry that your bubbles might be popped.
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Why can't this well-rounded, self-secure, wonderful, Christain, non-abusing, non-raving, non-crazy, non-idiot woman speak for herself?
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Don't let her out of your sight, OK or she might yell GROUP GROUP GROUP and you won't get your supper.
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Because she has more important things to do that are happening in real life.
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You might want to skip supper anyway, if it's all full of rat shit like described on another thread here. UGH!
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I guess so, in real life we have to beat up kids and scream and yell and act like a wild woman. Can't leave all that out can we?
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Maybe you can go to the movies at Provo and Cheryl can get in another fight with some teenage boy, and have the cops come again. That should make for an interesting evening. That shows her at her BEST. Then all of you can lie to the COPS again to "protect her from arrest like you kids always do."
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you didnt even see that happen. where do you get off talking about it? IT DID NOT HAPPEN T DID NOT HAPPENT DID NOT HAPPENT DID NOT HAPPENT DID NOT HAPPENT DID NOT HAPPENT DID NOT HAPPENT DID NOT HAPPEN. get my drift? im probably useless since my experience is a positive one, and anything true and positive doesnt matter to you i dont think...im not sure since i dont know you...but ive seen reactions up the wazoo on this site...SHUT DOWN ANYONE WHO HAS SOMETHING NICE TO SAY SHUT DOWN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN HURTING PEOPLE WE HAVE NEVER MET>>>>>
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OR why don't you take her and run down to the horse barn and see if another animal is in distress and just might need a VET before it falls over dead?
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why dont you get down here and see for yourself how WRONG YOU ARE>
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Are we upset? There are police reports on the Provo movie thing. And all the little police incident reports that you kids filled out on the bus. NOW, no need to be upset. These things that get reported are just out there and are known about. Can't hide them. Cheryl just needs to not act that way in public.
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On 2005-03-10 15:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"HAHAAHAAA! Got your attention did I? Isnt that a joke, you feed off of little seeds. Guess what? I am staring Cheryl in the face right now. The kids are healthy and strong and happy- whats that? oh my, they are real. their feelings arent being controlled, no brainwashing, no abuse. bummer, im sorry that your bubbles might be popped."
Wow, guess we have proof now that Cheryl does encourage these postings. How sad you aren't doing some school work or something productive with the $40,0000 that was paid for you to be there! Shame on you Cheryl for encouraging this behavior. Who is the adult there anyway??
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Can't act that way in public and have public records of IT, and then try to play MISS NICEY NICEY. Can't have it both ways.
Sort of like the way she runs her Group Sessions, and the tries to yell" I JUST LOVE ALL CHILDREN" It just doesn't work that way!
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OF COURSE she's sitting there...who do you think wrote that raving stuff? That is just how it is reported that she behaves. One minute sarcastic mumblings, the next moment in a raving, maniac state. REALLY SCARY ISN'T IT?
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Any child being a witness to this can not possible be "healthy, strong, happy." Why even involve any student in this?
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too bad im not a student moron. and where do you get off assuming that I am proof that cheryl has something to do with this.....i am my own person not HER> thank you.
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I don't know... maybe because you stated you were there staring at her face while composing this lovely posting. Go back and read your own words. Proof enough for me and everyone else reading your words. Even more pathetic if you are an adult!
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no, patheticism only lies in those that use the word to try to get a reaction out of a stranger.
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You reacted pretty stronly to the description of a crazy woman who can't even go to a movie without going nutts and having the police called on her, and then making a bunch of kids lie for her. What set her off? Seeing the pretty Leah at the movies with her ex-son-in-law? Feel like she'd lost a little control over a couple of people that she use to have in her pitiful little life?
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Beware kids, it is about time for Cheryl to declare: GROUP GROUP GROUP
She will want to play therapist.
She might be out of control, and you might be the victim if you hear:
"GET HER THE FUCK OUT OF HERE"
Oh No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dont you get tired of lying. this is the lady that helped me quit using that kind of language. i have never heard her say that choice 4 letter word.
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are you stupid? all of the sudden cheryl acts like an out of control person. just this year right. what in the world are you trying to prove. get real there are alot of us getting tired of you bashing this caring kind person
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Others have.
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On 2005-03-10 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"too bad im not a student moron."
OK but surely you are not suggesting you are over the age of say, 13??
:lol: :lol:
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Look, Cheryl is the one that goes nutts at the movie theatre at Provo, and has the cops called to calm down the situation. She is the one who makes a bunch of kids lie for her. That's not normal behavior. Normal people sleep, rather than having kids up all night with her yelling, GROUP GROUP GROUP! Normal people don't spit in children's faces. Normal people don't withhold food from children under their care as a form of punishment! Normal people have toliets in their "HOUSE" that can be flushed with toliet paper in them! Normal people don't have rat poop in the rice! Normal people don't order kids to beat up other kids! Now tell me what is NORMAL about HER?
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On 2005-03-10 16:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"no, patheticism only lies in those that use the word to try to get a reaction out of a stranger."
You have done enough on your own to justify the description. No reaction desired, just stating facts.
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On 2005-03-10 15:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"HAHAAHAAA! Got your attention did I? Isnt that a joke, you feed off of little seeds. Guess what? I am staring Cheryl in the face right now.
So then she is aware of the kids posting here and apparently approves of the content of their posts. That brings up a question I've been asking. If Cheryl is charged with the care of these kids why on Earth is she allowing them to defend her? And to defend her in such a vile and abusive manner? Is this indicative of the sort of "life skills" you're being taught there?When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
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It is obvious that Cheryl herself is posting a lot of the time. She hides behind it "being one of the kids" most of the time. But when a Whitmore student is on site using vulgar language and issuing threats, she is aware, if not agging it on. Really really sad. That is not what any parent sent their child there for. If a Whitmore parent with a child currently enrolled reads all that, what must they think? Wouldn't this make them want to jump on a plane and jerk their kid out of there immediately?
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On 2005-03-10 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"too bad im not a student moron. "
Does that mean that you have completed your studies and graduated as a full moron?
~Eats shoots and leaves
Time's fun when you're having flies.
--Kermit the Frog
[ This Message was edited by: Erinys on 2005-03-12 17:41 ][ This Message was edited by: Erinys on 2005-03-12 17:41 ]
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On 2005-03-12 17:39:00, Erinys wrote:
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On 2005-03-10 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"too bad im not a student moron. "
Does that mean that you have completed your studies and graduated as a full moron?
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:nworthy: Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
Mark Twain
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On 2005-03-10 23:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"are you stupid? all of the sudden cheryl acts like an out of control person. just this year right. what in the world are you trying to prove. get real there are alot of us getting tired of you bashing this caring kind person"
Cheryl did not "all of a sudden" become out of control. Twenty years ago Cheryl acted EXACTLY like that. Mark had to step in between and I had to run and close myself behind a door, trust me, I was afraid. The idea of Cheryl going bezerk in anger is not something that would suprise me at all, having lived with them myself. Reading of other incidents leads me to wonder if perhaps my situation with her was not something that could be considered a one of.
I agree, Cheryl can appear very loving and giving, and I think that is what she genuinely wants to be. Reality is however she becomes unstable, certainly not a crime in itself, it is not uncommen. Unfortunately they chose a career that instability would normally preclude.
I would never have spoken out except that I learned what they were now doing. Do I think they are evil? No, I think they are human although I question their actions and yes, their ethics in some issues. Do I think they should be running a school for troubled kids? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!
If it makes you feel any better, I would never run a school either, I dont have what it takes, and I at least recognise it and have no illusions about my personality and my abilities.
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wow!! I don't think it can get anymore confusing than this. Why do you choose to confuse youself with stuff that isn't even true. Cheryl is a great person take it from a former student. don't let nonsence get to your tiny little :lol: with crap that is going around. You have no ideah how much they have helped me. There is three people in particular and yes Cheryl is one of them.
why do you choose to hide your identity, as you can tell I have nothing to hide
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Why do you choose to confuse youself with stuff that isn't even true."
Excuse me, I was stating my own experience which I know to be true. As for what others posts, I do not know their truths, I can only weigh it against my own experience and what postings seem to have the most integrity to them. No different than you I suspect.
Cheryl is a great person take it from a former student.
I do not share your opinion there, you can take THAT from a former friend.
don't let nonsence get to your tiny little :lol: with crap that is going around.
Dont patronise me, and in return I will show you the respect I always try to show people even those with differing opinions.Regarding the crap going around, believe me, thanks to my experience, I am well aware of crap when I see it.
You have no idea how much they have helped me. There is three people in particular and yes Cheryl is one of them.
I am glad they did the job they were paid well to do and helped you. You are entitled to your opinion and your right to give them credit. That was YOUR experience. I dont doubt you at all in that, I believe that you do have gratitude for the help they gave you and I am genuinely happy you feel you are doing better. It doesnt mean others had the same experience including myself. Thinking you can speak for others based only on what you experienced is rather presumptuous of you.
why do you choose to hide your identity, as you can tell I have nothing to hide"
I think the reasons to hide ones identity have been well demonstrated
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i have never seen anyone who loves their horses as much as the sudweeks. i think its awful what they had to go through in canada. because of stupid people just like leah. get a clue quys. read the transcripts. they are my heros. and ginger joyce leah gmom and disgruntled ungrateful justin and his mom you can all go to hell for what you are trying to do to these people i will love till i die. why dont you quit posting as so many different people. i checked your ip
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hey mom 2 three. what have you ever done that would compare to the lives cheryl has helped. maybe she couldnt help you. but it doesnt sound like anyone could. you sound like a looser. maybe the kind of company ginger and a few others here like to talk crap with. i just know the truth about one thing. CHERYL changed my life and unlike you i will be grateful to her forever.
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well don't really know who you are but all i can say is that you are deffinatly on the right topic lol but keep believing Cheryl is a great person I'm sure you know who I am. Yeah everybody hates me but i still love all of them and can't forget that special someone who probably doesn't even want to have anything to do with me because of my stupid actions i still love her I just can't hide it
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On 2005-03-13 01:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i have never seen anyone who loves their horses as much as the sudweeks. i think its awful what they had to go through in canada.
I think its awful what the poor horses had to endure!!! :cry:
because of stupid people just like leah. get a clue quys. read the transcripts. they are my heros. and ginger joyce leah gmom and disgruntled ungrateful justin and his mom you can all go to hell for what you are trying to do to these people i will love till i die.
Kool aid!!!!
why dont you quit posting as so many different people. i checked your ip"
No you didn't. If you did[/b] you would see that we are, in fact, many different people.The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Who are you? Your name is really Mr. Bean?
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On 2005-03-13 03:50:00, Mr. Bean wrote:
Yeah everybody hates me but i still love all of them and can't forget that special someone who probably doesn't even want to have anything to do with me because of my stupid actions i still love her I just can't hide it.
Elliot, this is really sad! But you're not alone in feeling this way. This is sort of classic cult control. Please, please read up on how cults work. Here's a pretty good overview:
EMOTIONAL CONTROL - The control of the individuals emotional life
This manipulates a person's range of feelings. Guilt and fear are used to keep control. Cult members cannot see the control by guilt and like other abuse victims are conditioned to blame themselves when things are wrong, even grateful when a leader points our their transgressions.
Fear is used to manipulate two ways. The first is to create an outside enemy (we vs them) who is persecuting you. The second is the fear of punishment by the leaders if you are not "good enough." Being "good enough" is following the ideology perfectly. The most powerful emotional control is phobia indoctrination. This can give the person a panic reaction at the very thought of leaving the group. It is almost impossible to conceive that there is any life outside the group. There is no physical gun held to their heads but the psychological gun is just as if not more powerful.
Full text: http://www.ex-cult.org/General/totalism-group-dynamics (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/totalism-group-dynamics)
Much more info available at http://www.ex-cult.org/General/ (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/) and http://www.ex-cult.org/ (http://www.ex-cult.org/)The bible teaches that woman brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period of suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire...Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up.
--Elizabeth Cady-Stanton
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Is my name really Mr.Bean haha well of course not but I'm sure you've heard of him, lol he's my favorite actor but I'm sure you know my reall name by not i have nothing to hide
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what do people actaully think is going to happen through writing on a forum?
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so kayo did ginger teach you how to disect peoples words and turn it around to something that was never said in the first place.
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this reminds me of debate in highschool. you take some topic that could be black and convience the world that it is white.
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On 2005-03-13 15:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"so kayo did ginger teach you how to disect peoples words and turn it around to something that was never said in the first place. "
Now where did I do that pumpkin?
And who made Ginger the queen of fucking sheba??? ( I kid, I kid...ya know I luv ya!) Why do you think this is all Ginger's doing? All she's done is provide a forum where this can all be discussed. I realize it gets volatile at times, but that's just the nature of the beast. You've made many judgements about her without giving her the courtesy of having an actual DIALOGUE with her, or anyone else for that matter. We've asked you several questions, you don't seem to want to answer. I said before that I don't think you're corrupt. I think you've been emotionally abused and you're incredibly misguided, but I'm not angry at you. I'd like to be able to carry on a conversation with you about this subject but you don't seem interested.In war, the stronger overcomes the weaker. In business, the stronger imparts strength to the weaker.
--Frederic Bastiat
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wait a minute. you are the lady who was grippen about my grammer. wow why dont you start with your fricken language. some of us have been taught not to say such filthy words. did granny and ginger teach you those? or is that just how you communicate.
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On 2005-03-13 18:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"wait a minute. you are the lady who was grippen about my grammer. wow why dont you start with your fricken language. some of us have been taught not to say such filthy words. did granny and ginger teach you those? or is that just how you communicate."
So I'm taking that as a "no" on the dialogue then, right?Nothing is denied to well-directed labor, and nothing is ever to be
attained without it.
--Joshua Reynolds (1723-1792)
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Bean, do your Parents know that those kids at Whitmore got on the phone and told you"
"You need to just KILL YOURSELF and do everyone a favor?"
Now that is scary and people out here who know you and REALLY CARE ABOUT YOU ARE WORRIED!!!!
What kind of person who controls all communications in and out of Whitmore Academy would allow students to give you a message like that?
We don't know your real mental state. You just stated that you know "all those people hate you, and that you still love THEM."
You need to talk to your parents. ARE YOU OK?
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Hope this isn't more of Chery's example of Family Love. What type of FAMILY has its "parents" going about in their "garments" in front of teenage kids? Hear Mark and Cheryl even swim in theirs in front of these kids at Whitmore. What is that about?
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yes i am in my mental state of mind thank you very much and thanks to the whitmore that I am, i used to be "crazy" as you would put it but not anymore that place did something great in me
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On 2005-03-14 18:02:00, Mr. Bean wrote:
"yes i am in my mental state of mind
:???: :lol:
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How do yu have an intelligent conversation with anneliese the biggest suck up to Cheryl you ever saw. sometimes when im sleeping have wakeup scared to death because i see you angry mean face anneliese. for your info everybody loves elliot. and also we know how eachother really feels not what you wish we felt. Cheryl taught us to be honest with our feelings. You never did understand that did you. Id like to know what Cheryl ever did to make you soo made. All i remember is she would never fall in to your manipulation game. She doesnt hate you. No she doesnt have time to check up on every kid who has lived with her, everyday. Is that really why your mad.
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Why all this talking to Annaliese? I've been posting today, and it is not Annaliese? Weird huh? Guess someone has "heard" that Annalies is "talking" and to the wrong people. Ha ha ha.
They get all weirded out when they hear these things. Relax Cheryl and get some sleep. You've been posting here all night. You can't control these kids once they are gone. You barely control them while they are THERE!
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On 2005-03-15 00:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do yu have an intelligent conversation with anneliese the biggest suck up to Cheryl you ever saw. sometimes when im sleeping have wakeup scared to death because i see you angry mean face anneliese. for your info everybody loves elliot. and also we know how eachother really feels not what you wish we felt. Cheryl taught us to be honest with our feelings. You never did understand that did you. Id like to know what Cheryl ever did to make you soo made. All i remember is she would never fall in to your manipulation game. She doesnt hate you. No she doesnt have time to check up on every kid who has lived with her, everyday. Is that really why your mad."
I reealllly don't think you want us to go there do you?? I know the things Cheryl did to Annelise and I doubt very seriously if either wants it made public here. If there was anyone manipulated and mentally abused it was Annelise. Let's just leave this can of worms sealed, ok? As far as the follow up, check in phone calls... to my knowledge none of the kids receive calls after they go home. Oh wait, unless you are suspected of speaking out. Then you get a call pronto! Wouldn't you think with all the "love and Family atmosphere" there would at least be a "hey how ya doing call?" I seriously doubt that is the reason for Annelise's pain.
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What DID Cheryl do to Annaliese? Why are we covering for Cheryl at this point?
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Out of respect for Annelise. If she wants to expose her truth it is her choice, just like the others who have come forward. I simply think the threats and slander to her are unnecessary. Unless she posts her name, there is no proof she has even been on here. Make sense? We can all make assumptions about who is posting what. Those who are courageous enough to use their name are open to retaliation. Those who post anonymously are only open to assumption. Remember, some things should be kept private, even if it might be good for the cause. Right Joyce?? I know you understand. No reason to continue hurting wounded souls.
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Absolutely Correct. I know this "girl's name" has been used AS IF SHE IS POSTING, but I recall that "her sister" may have posted in her defense also. So, whatever her story is, only SHE has the right to tell it. And she has the absolute right to keep it to herself too. No one should do that just to have more "dirt" on Cheryl. No, that is not right. There just is nt reason for that. Enough harm has been done to kids. The kids have been hurt enough. If they wish to talk, it should be a healing process for them, if that is posssible.
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Joyce Joyce...very choicy....
Um..why does everyone know big mama is postin on here (annieliess)?..well it is obvious..she is the only one that knows how to spell her name, and why would it matter if it were her or her sister..they are in the same family..and aunt gemima is just mad because she didnt get no black man in her life...but thats aside the point..the point is...is she told everyone herself that the only reason she is mad is because no one called her. Oh yea...anyone thinking we dont get fed properly or whatnot...everyone can ask for a picture of this girl...she looks like a buffalo who got her face stomped. What is all this talk about abuse too...how could you ABUSE a girl who weighs 400 more pounds than you...not possible?! HAHAA
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I can only hope that because someone wanted to be rude to me that they chose to be so rude and cruel to this young girl. The cruelty shown here would be unforgivable by me. Hopefully this girl has a more forgiving heart.
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well big mama sure can dish it out but sure cant take it...i mean..you get what you dish out...but that's aside the point
Joyce..if you wanted to send your little Zita to such an important Christian school as you say you did..then why wouldnt you forgive..I mean God tells us to forgive everyone since his son Jesus forgave us all before we even repented...Lead by your example mommy!
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Funny, I remember you guys saying that you still loved Annieliese on an thread just a few days ago. Is this how people that are "loved" treated when they say something contrary to the popular opinion at the Whitmore?
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I NEVER SAID I wanted to send my daughter to a Christain-based school.
I have always stated that Whitmore Academy was NEVER REPRESENTED as a Christian-based school to us, and that I am more-or-less confused about all this TALK about all the churchy stuff going on...all the God-this and God-that. And that considering all the abuse, sexuality allowed, cursing, fighting etc. that we find TALK about CHRISTIANITY in conflict with what is really happening there. Just sounds hypocritical to me.
I have just said: Whitmore was NEVER advertised as a Christian-based school...and it SURE doesn't seem to be run by real Christians, and it surely isn't represenative of anything holy or Christian-like in my book.
Christian leaders don't do the type things the Sudweks are doing at the Whitmore: like lies, withholding food from kids, walking around in there underwear, all the abuse, not holding up their end of contracts with parents.
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Really: Tell just what I am suppose to "forgive." Make me a list, and I will give it consideration.
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You want me to repent? Now I will be happy to make a little "repent list" for Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks if you would like.
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On 2005-03-15 21:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Joyce Joyce...very choicy....
Um..why does everyone know big mama is postin on here (annieliess)?
So then.... YOU are annieliess; the only person on the planet who knows how to spell the name???
Keep guessing! :rofl: The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.
--Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958
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I'm wrong again---thought they were referring to the ALL-KNOWING Joyce again! She does get blamed for most things.
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cheryl does not stay up all night posting crap on here she thinks this site is evil and guess what?? it is. Just about everybody here is against the whitmore what is wrong with you brain dead people?? get a life go to the whitmore they can really help you out :evil:
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Mr. Bean, if this site is evil, then what are you doing here? You are playing with fire and tempting the devil, that's what. :skull: :skull:
You had better go do some praying and yell at some other people to straighten up their act to earn some spiritual protection from the evil of this site.
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How would Cheryl know it's evil if she never reads it? Strange the postings come from here computer at the Whitmore, huh?
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On 2005-03-16 23:28:00, Mr. Bean wrote:
Just about everybody here is against the whitmore what is wrong with you brain dead people??
No, you're mistaken. Just about everbody here is against harmful treatment fraudulently sold. And a good many just have a soft spot for horses. A lot of posters here are entheusiastically for the Whitmore. You can easily pick them out, too. They're the ones doing all the cursing, making all the threats saying all the nasty things about Whitmore kids and anyone else.
The people who are against the Whitmore (or ambivalent about it, which is the more usual case) are the ones giving detailed, objective reports on what goes on there. No hate, no evil, just a bit of truth leaking out. Why does that bother you so much?
Everything that people say to you is personal. Whether it is constructive criticism or not will determine whether it cam from and asshole or not.
----Bill Warbis
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So Cheryl doesn't post? Who is right in her face beginning this thread??????
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Why not postings? Anyone heard from any of the kids from Whitmore
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A scary posting: As if Cheryl is no in the thick of the threatning bizzare postings from Whitmore!
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What's the "EMERGENCY" Cheryly??? Ritalin running low? GROUP GROUP GROUP!!!!!
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Um I don't really even know what to say, for the past hour I have been reading many news reports as well as this forum page on the Whitmore Acadmey. I have a good friend currently there and I am honestly terrified for him. He was my first love, yes thats kind of odd but I helped him through so much and he helped me through just a much. Before he left he told me he was going to a hospital in our state for 6 months and he was begging me to help him because he was scared. I was so tired of listening to it by then because we hadnt been on good terms. I know the true him, I'm most likely the one and only person that knows the real him. The pictures of him on the website are not him, there is something in his eyes, the way his eyes used to be when he was in pain. I know he cant be happy there the one and only web-post he ever put on the website was depressing. I miss him and if he is in a place where he is being hurt, we may not be together ever again, but i consider him a close friend and i will fight for him. Once he comes home this summer, if he ever can I will speak with him, finding out the truth. He has found a new girl there but in his eyes, he hates it. Any other girls out there, you know what I am talking about, you can look into your mans eyes and see something, you can see every emotion. If you are close enough with that person, thats when you know youve found a match, someone you can connect with so closely. This place seems terrible, I understand why some of you may be sticking up for these people. But after just visiting the website and reading this boys "mission statement" its all bs!!! I know him, the crap that is written on there is NOT him, its what he wants to do with his life, written and edited by someone else, with jesus crap added in. He is the most UNRELIGIOUS person you will ever meet! And same with his entire family. As far as I am concerned, I am sorry but this acadmey is a load of shit! Im worried not only about him but the other people that are being brain washed by these people. Once they get into the real world they will be confronted with the same exact desires they once gave into. This "School" does not prepare these children for life, instead it just takes the crap out and replaces it with bull shit and abuse. These students are going to go back home, there old friend will say "wana smoke up" or some other problem they used to face and at first they will say no thanks not anymore, but eventually they will have no friends left because once you get into a life of negativity you surround yourself with only friends that do the same negative things you do, it becomes a group. So these kids will have no friends and just give into these old problems because they want a life, they strive for a life. Yes these kids im sure needed help, but there is no reason to send you kid across the country to some place where you cant suddenly come in and check up on them at any given time to make sure your child is in a safe environment. If your a parent, yes you want the best for your kid, but you also should be smart enough and have enough brain cells and enough maturity by that age to realize, if im sending my kid to some place i should be able to have full PHYSICAL contact with them at any give time! They are your children after all. I went through a long battle of severe depression, my mother as well threatened to send me to a hospital in my town, never had she EVER nor would she ever think of sending me away. If your a parent, you should love your kids, yes you may think this is how you should your love, but if you do love them, you will stay by them, as close to them as possible im the hardest struggle they will ever have to go through in their lives, because if you stay with them at a time like this, they can come to you and trust you with anything. Since my mother helped me through my problems instead of just shipping me off I have the best relationship with her and will for the rest of my life... I understand you may think this school is great, or at least some of you, but from what I have seen its all negative and prepares these "boarding school students" for nothing except a life of low self esteem and denial... these kids will be faced with the same things they were previous to this school, they need to learn to deal with those problems not just forget about them all together. I hope this brings everyone together and helps them to understand each others side better, i tried to leave out any bias, but as with any subject there will always be some sort of bias, i hope it helps!!
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Dear ANON:
Thank you for posting your comments which are very insightful, and ring so true.
We placed our daughter at Whitmore, and she was there for two months--before we realized that Whitmore was not a safe "boarding school that offered therapy for our daughter's condition for which we placed her."
I do hope that your friend will be returning home this summer. Often the Sudweeks convince parents to extend the enrollment time.
I wonder if his family IS EVEN AWARE that these owners are currently being investigated for fraud, child abuse and child sexual abuse--if the Sudweeks even disclosed this to these parents? We are waiting for CHARGES to be filed at this time.
Have you been in contact with your friend since he has been at Whitmore?
Would you please send me a Private Message? I would like to talk with you. I will keep our conversation confidential.
Joyce Harris
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ANON:
You may have to "register" to send a Private Message. But you can register under an ANON NAME...like "Friend of a Student" or something like that. You do not have to give your real name. OK?
Thanks,
Joyce
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Joyce I would love to speak with you but im afraid i dont have much else to say. Their parents are well aware and are actually sticking up for the school because when they visited during a parents weekend they found great results and the boy they used to have before the drama. I havent talked to the person since they went in and have been waiting for almost a year now. I wasnt exactly sure how to contact them or if i even could so i've been patiently waiting, and its a long time to wait for me! The person moved away previous to coming back and eventually going in and it was hard during that time for onlya few short months that i could not contact them. They are a dear friend of mine and i am deeply worried. I wrote a letter to the staff of the school, not expecting any great results asking them about the allegations and about how they can still be operating when they dont have a license and how they can claim on their website its a life enhancement school but they said they are out of the teen-help business? These owners seem to need help themselves. If you are trying to get teenagers out of a depressing period in their life they need both group and private therapy sessions, its just not possible to help them fully until you go over each thing in their life. Not only that but how can sending your child away seem ok to you, if you cant just check up at any given time my mother would never consider sending me away because she would of course want to make sure the facility is fully safe at ALL times. When i wrote the staff the letter, were you aware their building codes were out dated and they needed to update quite a few things, an unsafe building housing kids! well of course what are they going to do except use the kids to change the codes! They had the students build a brand new set of stairs something i suppose they said was "life enhancing" or some bs, to me thats child labor! This place the more i hear about it the more upsets me that someone i care so much about may be hurt. I know this person WELL better than any of their friends or parents, the only way he would not cry for help is if someone if threatening him or they are showing him no one cares, otherwise his voice is ALWAYS loud and clear... Ill go ahead and sign up shortly, i just hope more people read my response and truly think about what this school is doing
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Miss ANON,
Of course your worries are valid.
We are adult parents, and we were "conned" and believed every thing IN THE BEGINNING too--and of course we did not know that the building was not UP TO CODE. We just made the assumption that it WAS. We did check to be certain that the therapist Tim Lowe was licensed through the State of Utah--but he resigned two weeks after we enrolled our daughter. We did not KNOW then that the Whitmore was only licensed as a BED AND BREAKFAST---AGAIN, we assumed the Sudweeks had the valid licensing required.
As parents, WE ALL made very supid "assumptions" and our children suffered terribly. Whitmore was not FULLY ACCREDITED, and there were no certified teachers--my daughter had no teachers, and fellow students graded a couple of book reports she did...and the only other "SCHOOL WORK" she did was some UNGRADED math worksheets. The so-called GROUP THERAPY was led by Cheryl Sudweeks--who does not even have a college degree, much less a degree in psychology. And my little girl was humiliated, and tormented in these group sessions by this woman!
Yes--these kids are worked, and worked hard by the Sudweeks. They may call it LIFE SKILLS, but you called it correctly--it is CHILD LABOR!
Did you get a response to your letter to the Sudweeks?
The Sudweeks monitor all incoming communications--so it is up to THEM if your friend is allowed contact with you or not. We did not KNOW that all our communications with our daughter was monitored. We NEVER agreed to that, either.
And it goes without saying that we never agreed to any type of phyical, emotional, mental, or sexual abuse...but it went on.
Luckily our daughter was only there 2 months. T
Do you think your friend would like to be in contact with you? If so there are ways to gain communication with him.
Joyce
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Oh boy. If you wrote a letter to the staff, then your boyfriend is probably mad. Either Cheryl got mad at him big time. Or, they had a big group on him, and your name is mud, and he will probably never speak to you again! Cheryl will convince him you are evil, causing trouble in his new "family," and that he should avoid you forever. Not a good move, and his parents will tell him to stay far away from you too.
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Yeah, that's probably so. But, in the end, he'll eventually come around at least to the fact that he wants out. And he probably knows by now that you haven't abandoned him like they'd like to think. When he gets out, just don't take any of his weird responses personally. I get the sense that you already know better, so I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
It'll pay off. You're a good friend. Sure wish I had had one like you way back when.
Patience. Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
--Denis Diderot, French encyclopedist
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I never said my name or my friends name, so hopefully they had no idea, I never even gave away any information in which they could use to figure out who i was friends with... I can tell my friend is miserable, in the pictures you can see it in their eyes... I hope they will talk to me when they get home, i know at first it will be odd but they know i care about them, a hell of a lot, im one of the few that ever did care and the only one that will stick around through anything... Im not sure what to think about Whitmore anymore, all i know is i dont want my friend back there, but i dont know how i can change their parents minds, they really believe it has helped their child become the child they used to be, and that in its self is not normal! a child grows up and does just that, grows up, they change thats part of life, somemay be for the positive some for the negative but through it all it makes them who they are... why change these kids all around, keep the good and get rid of the bad thats all that needs to be done, dont take everything away and turn them to dirt!!
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Is your friend coming home for good this summer, or just for a family visit? If it is just for a short family visit--then you need to talk to him alone to try and find out what HE thinks about Whitmore himself. He he doesn't want to go back-then he may need the help of another adult to help convince his parents to let him stay at home.
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It will be interesting to hear how the former students who went back for Parents Weekend react to Cheryl's sense of CONTROL after being away from Whitmore for awhile. Will these students just fall back into the being controlled mode, or will they be more resistent to her? Might be interesting to hear their reaction after being away from it 24/7.
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It may be time for Cheryl to take all these kids back to Provo for a movie outing!
She is about due for a raving maniac scene!
Been awhile has it Cheryl?
Soon my dear Soon!!!!
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I think if the kids come back and stick to what they have "learned" at whitmore, they will get their ass kicked by all the people that they used to be friends with! Their friends will feel so betrayed n pissed... I mean if my friend comes back and really refuses to talk to me bc they were told not to, jesus christ! will i be fucking pissed! thats just gay! my friend just needed to go to a simple hospital where they could get help with their problems right then, they just needed to get some help not go off to some "school" to get an education, they could have gone to our local public school and get a MUCH better education rather then some bull shit placed in their head!!
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Hope your friend comes home and just goes back to being friends with who he wants to be friends with. Some of these WHITMORE KIDS don't do that and spend all their time on the phone to Cheryl, and their VACATION time going back to the Whitmore and the FAMILY,er cult....
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thats because the kids have no choice but to do that, they are groomed by these people that run this CULT to do all these things which normal society, wait just SOCIETY does not approve of, and they are not sure how to function in their daily lives so they must run back to them and help them bc they have no idea what to do otherwise!
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Parents Weekend's over---oh my, the weather did not cooperate at all!!!
Big GROUP GROUP GROUP to relieve the stress????
Poor poor kids, the Gorillia is loose now!
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Hey Cheryl, everyones really tired of the boo-hoo pitiful telephone question: "ARE YOU AGAINST US?" GET OFF THE PHONE, LADY!
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I think the fact that you wont say whou you are says more about you than cheryl. I believe cheryl wants to help all of these teens and they want to keep there same behaviors so they try to make her like evil. Who else has ever tried to help these kids mary gentile
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What part of "being investigated for child abuse, child sexual abuse, and fraud" do you not get? Did you read the TRIBUNE article under the TOPIC "Tweek and Peek don't like therauputic lable" where Mark Sudweeks says "WE ARE OUT OF THE TEEN HELP BUSINESS."
So NO...the Sudweeks ARE NOT in the business of helping teens with problems. IF they say they are then they lied to Mr. Ken Stettler who is the head of the Licensing Agency of the State of Utah.
So just who are the Sudweeks lying to? YOU...or Mr. Ken Stettler?
Either way....THEY ARE LIARS!!!!!
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Who has ever tried to help these kids?
Why most probably their parents...JUST LIKE YOU, Mrs. Gentile. Have you not tried to help your child? You didn't just hand him over to Cheryl Sudweeks, did you?
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I believe probably every parent of every kid sent to Whitmore tried to help them. Sending them to Whitmore was an act of desparation. Why do you think seemingly intellegent parents get sucked in so easily -- they want to believe this is going to work so badly that they fail to see, and, in some cases, refuse to listen to what is really going on.
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On 2005-06-03 23:11:00, Gmom wrote:
"they want to believe this is going to work so badly that they fail to see, and, in some cases, refuse to listen to what is really going on."
baby kangaroo's parents were even sucked into writting a letter of support for the SUDWEEKS......bet they wouldn't do that today.....what changed??.....more will be revealed............sOOn my love..........LOL..............also...ask MARKIE boy why he kept baby kangaroo's parents money?....HUH????...........
TO HELL WITH EM BOTH........BLEED THEY WILL
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Ask Markie Boy WHY HE KEPT ALL THE PARENT'S WHO REMOVED THEIR KIDS MONEY?
Don't think anyone got a big ole refund, DID THEY?
DUH ! Think NOT!
It would have been NICE to have just gotten the kids clothes, personal items, luggage--those sorts of things!
Bet you-know-who have a fun time selling it all on E-BAY!!!!!!! Along with all the AIRPORT CARDS the parents THINK their kids use for "computer learning." What a rip-off-JOKE.
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:flame: fuck you mr anonymous whitmore hater, fuck you in you silly ass. I am an ex student of the whimore and before i went there i sucked at life, a was a pothead and a drinking, and a pathological liar. thanks to mark and cheryl and their effort i came back home after a year of their help and i have my parents trust back, and straight a's and i havent done drugs since november 2 2003
i love them and i hate you
peace
nate m.
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oh and Ms. Gentile, your son chris was a personal friend of mine, and at powell he changed for the better, i saw him last week when i went up to visit, and he is doing good thanks to them,
it was your mistake to send him to ivy ridge and you better be damn glad you got him out of there because before he went to the whitmore he fuckin hated you and his dad too.
you owe it to the whitmore to stop your shit talking
bitch
nate m.
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Mrs. Gentile,
This is just one example of Whitmore kids, sitting with Cheryl and writing at her directions. Usually their posts (if the kids are actually posting--and it is not Cheryl herself) always include vulgar curse words.
Welcome to fornits.
IF you do not comply--and do as you are told: NEXT they will begin to reveal anything confidential that THEY know about you, your family or your son.
Joyce Harris
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To Nate the ex-student of Whitmore--Now aren't you a shining example of JUST WHY ANYONE SHOULD NEVER SEND THEIR KID TO WHITMORE!!!
WHY SHOULD THEY? So they can cuss..hate...and be such a joyful, loving, caring person JUST LIKE YOU?
You need to mellow out FELLOW!!!
AND learn some respect and decent language!
That devil image you posted is rather represenative of your personality!
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On 2005-06-04 19:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
i love them and i hate you
peace
nate m."
Is this an example of those Christian values they're teaching you? :eek:
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NATE: who are YOU to curse and call someone's MOTHER a bitch??? And you call yourself Chris Gentile's "friend," and DARE call his mother a bitch? Who the hell do you think you are?
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON DRUGS SINCE WHEN?????????????
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Nate, my boy. You must be one of Cheryl's finest, huh?
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Nate says: "I love them and I hate you."
WHO IS "YOU?"
Just who is it you hate? You don't even know who you are talking to.
It's the CULT-MENTALITY. THEM OR US.
How stupid you people are.
How stupid.
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nate i dont know what you are talking about i have never said anything negative about mark or cheryl and as for chris hating me that was angry talk fron ivy ridge i am very close to my son even though i dont support decisions he makes that are bad. Perhaps you should speak with carl or someone who actually knows chris and i well before making such comments. mary gentile
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nate one more thing you know cheryl would not want you talking on the web with that lanquage as you can see people seem to think you learned it from her and i dont believe that you did i am sure she taught you to love yourself and you should honor her by talking in a way that would make her proud. mary
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I can't sit here and watch people call my mom a "bitch." Nate, who are you to call my Mom, or anyone else for that matter, a bitch? To be perfectly honest, my Mom feels that the Whitmore is a good place for kids, and she chooses to stand by them. Regardless of "who's side she's on" that doesn't make her a bad person. If you talk about my family, your talking about me.
~chris
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Mary, get a clue! Of course this is the way the Suds teach these kids to behave. Just look back over this forum (though I'm pretty sure you were reading at the time anyway) Who threatened to stuff a rag in Leah's mouth? Who spammed this forum w/ pages and pages of hateful BS about her and Erica and anyone else who offered even mild criticizm of the Whit? It wasn't all Nate. I'm pretty sure he was still in Nephi then, so some of it may have been him. But not all, not by a long shot.
No, the consistent common thread among these brutal attacks is that they all were trying to defend the Whit. And they all failed misserably, at least from the perspective of anyone who hadn't formed an opinion about the Whit till they read that crap.
Mary, the Suds are running a cult. They don't actually help kids get on track. They just break them down through various classic cult tactics and get them all singing their tune. It's more than obvious to anyone who's read a bit of this forum that one of the tactics they use is to get their followers to attack all critics. Classic.
And it looks like some shit has hit the fan again and, again, here we go w/ somebody turning these kids against each other. So I just want to remind you guys that this too will pass. Try not to tear each other up too badly and, by the same token, don't take anything too personally. Chris, you know very well Nate is just doing what he has to do. Don't fall for the scam, that's all.
It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
--Charles Dickens
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DUH---and Mary Gentile is AMONG THE CULT----
She gets all bent out of shape because someone outside the cult says "she's a bit DENSE."
THEN ONE OF THE CULT MEMBERS CALLS HER A "BITCH" and she defends the little shit-cult-member!!!!!
Now, how about that????
Chris, know you don't approve of anyone calling your mother a "bitch," but just step back and look at this. It is clear as day that your mother is just wrapped up in the Sudweeks cult-mind bullshit really tightly. Feel sorry for you man. Really do.
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Mary, "BITCH" is like Sunday School language to Cheryl Sudweeks. You outta hear that woman cuss- she calls those girls at Whitmore these names: SLUT, WHORE, BITCH, CUNT, PUSSY...and her favorite other words are: BASTARD, NIGGER, FUCK, GODDAMN...just to say a few.
SHE'S your friend, not mine. I don't talk that way.
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Cheryl Sudweeks is on a RAMPAGE!
Alex ran away and is home safely in California!
Cheryl can not stand that.
Another Whitmore kid away from her.
What are you going to do about that Cheryl?
Afraid Alex is going to talk like the others?
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Mary-What "BAD" decisions has Chris made?
He seems to have stated that he is just not going to lie for the Sudweeks any longer, or be a part of them any more. What's BAD about that?
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no need to feel sorry for my son he has a mother who has always believed in him and loves him unconditionally. My friendship with anyone would never effect him that sounds a bit cultish to me. mary
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well chris is definately making good decisions now not posting on these sites. He knows he should put his skills towards work and positive things as i hope some of you will do i saw enormous potential in some of the kids i met there i wish i could remember all of there names i would love to know how they are. There was a new kid he was from california kinda looked like a surfer how is he and a cowboy from texas and the kids that did karate anyone know how these kids are
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its not for me to judge her or you god is the only true judge mary
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On 2005-06-05 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"its not for me to judge her or you god is the only true judge mary"
WRONG.....get real....man judges all the time....DAH....criminals go to JAIL......child molesters??....abusers????......oh my...don't judge....BULLSHIT.......criminals to jail.....let GOD send em to hell
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Who said they felt sorry for your son?
WHAT SOUNDS A BIT CULTISH??? Nothing posted here except the Whitmore has been refer to as a CULT!
Believe the only thing here posted about your son has been positive admiration for this young man--and disbelief that his own mother is not standing by his decision to no long lie for and support child abusers.
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read down about 8 or 9 post and someone is telling chris they feel sorry for him. mary
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No Mary it is not for you to judge Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. That is what we have a CRIMINAL JUDGE for in a real COURT OF LAW!
And their day is coming! sOOn
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Mary, What is your RESPONSE to the question to your under the topic "JOEY" about your friend Cheryl?
What is your RESPONSE about your friend Mark Sudweeks wrestling the student Carl to the ground during Parent's Weekend?
HUH?
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Mary why don't you ask your friend Cheryl how the SURFER and COWBOY at Whitmore are doing? Hear some of those kids dread going to karate class and being sexually harrassed by the so-called karate "teacher"!!!
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You never heard of the criminal court system Miss Gentile? That's where the Suds will be judged. Just like they never speak here, they will never open their mouths in court either, because Lawyer Jack won't let them. Just like Michael Jackson. Smart Lawyers don't let child abusers and child molesters chat in court, Lady. Maybe you can go and be a "character witness" for them, they will be needing you at the sentencing hearing. That comes AFTER the guilty phase!
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well my response is i wasnt there and dont know anything about joey are what happened there. As for carl i adore him he is very close and dear to me and he knows i would do anything for him so if there was a problem he knows he could contact me and i have talked to him more than mark and chery. I have talked to mark and cheryl twice in 6 months so they put no words in my mouth. I have also talked to tori these kids mean alot to me and i didnt just forget them when my son left. mary
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I hope god does judge cheryl for what she taught my son. She taught him to be less materialistic, to love his parents inspite of their flaws, and she has told him and me many times he is the son she never had. Chris ran away to boston and she protected him and when he was found she wanted to fly someone to be with him so he would not be alone. They never ask to be financially reimbursed and when he got to the school they had received no money from me and they picked him up at the airport no questions ask. mary
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Mary, the Sudweeks have a son. Cheryl has also used that line to other mothers and other boys. It seems to work. Of course, they are going to fly someone to be with your son when he ran away, they want to be sure he is not influenced by anyone outside of the Whitmore. Do some research on cults, how they operate. The Sudweeks are right out of the book. Not asking for money is just gives them more leverage.
What makes you think your son wouldn't have come to the same conclusions about parents, material things, etc. as he matured? You give Cheryl too much credit. I'm more inclined to give the credit to you or whoever raised your son, before he went to Whitmore. Those values were taught to him long before he went to Whitmore, he just rebelled against them. I see that as pretty normal.
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they don't need money....they stle $16,000 of mine......anybody else???...Gee Miss Mary Gentile....must be nice to be sOOOO simple.....
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Suds got about $20,000 for us....plus all the personal items we never got back...plus intensive therapy we are still paying for from all the abuse suffered there!!!!!
And Mary says they are soooooo nice!
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THE SON SHE NEVER HAD????
Does that little boy Breck not count with that stupid woman? She has a son for God's sake!
And just what do you THINK about Mark Sudweeks physically wrestling a boy to the ground to the point of bring cuts and blood? What the hell is that all about?
Compare a little one-way flight to all the monthly fee your paid the Sudweeks---SURE the Sudweeks played NICE and sweet-talked you. They made a bundle off YOU. And don't forget the Christmas cards full of LAWYER FEES you racked in for them!!!!!
The Sudweeks make about 2 million a year-- and RARELY feed those kids 3 meals a day...RARELY!!!
They consider ONE bowl of Cheerios breakfast.
They consider one HELPING of macaroni and cheese DINNER!!! That is not balanced meals!!!!!!
The kids don't even have linens on the bed!
Whitmore FAILED health inspections---call and ask.
Ask Chris about Joey's abuse. HE SAW IT. HE KNOWS. AND HE HAS SAID he will not cover for the Sudweeks on it any longer!
You are covering for them, and YOU DON'T KNOW the real truth.
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oh ya...they kept our luggage and clothing...other personal effects............told supporters they refunded money.....BULLSHIT.....hey Mary....ask GORILLA ABOUT THAT????...also what PEEK ER does in the shower.....for an hour.....sweets he savors.....12yrs old is his favorite flavor..........
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Suds not only keep personal items when kids leave: they go through the kids things WHEN THEY ARRIVE--take what they want, give things to their own kids. When "care packages arrive" Cheryl goes through them, and TAKES whatever she wants out and to heck with the kid it was intended for!! GREEDY SELF-SERVING WOMAN has no respect for anyone.
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Mary you need to listen to your own words:
"I wasn't there and I don't know what happened there..." YOU ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE AND WERE BEING TOLD. And Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks are proven liars. Your own son tells you he has lied for them and will not longer continue to do so. The Sudweeks lied to the TRIBUNE reporter and to the head of the Licensing Agency, Mr. Ken Stettler when they said, "we are out of the teen help business." The Sudweeks continue to sneak around and have individual, family and group therapy, and LIE to Mr. Stettler and say they are only an "academic boarding school." WHY LIE? They don't want to be LICENSED AND REGULATED!! WHY? Because the State of Utah will not allow the Sudweeks to starve, abuse and NOT educate the children under their care, that is WHY! And the Sudweeks will have to use the monies they are paid to keep the so-called mansion up-to-CODE and safe! MAINLY--the Sudweeks don't want to be watched over: MOST CHILD ABUSERS HATE BEING WATCHED!
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my bad chris, i was reading one of the entries and it was defending the whitmore and it said she was bad mouthing them. i didnt mean to call her a bitch but you should understand why i got so mad. im glad to know she wasnt and please tell her im sorry. but look at these blood suckers man, they took what i said and used it against the whitmore, they are so warped. its like they are a bunch of nerds who are bitter and sit on their asses all day and trash on good people. again, i apologize for insulting your mom please tell her it was a misunderstanding
but i still say, SCREW YOU ANONYMOUS WHITMORE HATER, GROW SOME BALLS AND QUIT TALKIN CRAP. THE WHITMORE PEOPLE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, THEY GIVE THEIR LIVES TO THOSE KIDS, AND THEY ARE SELFLESS, WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU. JUST CAUSE YOU FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND A LOVED ONES REPUTATION DOESN'T MEAN THEY BRAINWASHED YOU INTO DOING IT. ::fuckoff::
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don't you talk nice...grows some balls? go post on your little whitmore forum where you take an OATH not to use cuss words, OK?
if you hadn't called Mrs. Gentile a BITCH in the first place you'd be owing no apology.
the sudweeks only give their lives as you say it to con parents out of money and they seem to enjoy abusing kids as they do this.
hear cheryl might be in the hospital right not DRYING out from drug addition....trying to get off ritalin and adderall--IS SHE GETTING THE PROGRAM????? SHE NEED GROUP GROUP GROUP ON HER?????? think so?
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FIGHT TO DEATH???
What the hell does that mean?
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On 2005-06-08 07:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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hear cheryl might be in the hospital right not DRYING out from drug addition....trying to get off ritalin and adderall--IS SHE GETTING THE PROGRAM????? SHE NEED GROUP GROUP GROUP ON HER?????? think so?"
NO SURPRISE.....COULD SEE IT IN HER EYEES....MORE COMING....SHOULD BE VERY ENTERTAINING....TWEAKER AND PEEK ER fella to fall hard.......................going to court to watch....you bet...can't wait....down the road I caught them alone and the three of us will celebrate...GORILLA style.....double tap upside her head.....till she bleed.......................LOL
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OMG, if Cheryl's in the hospital--does Markie Boy know how to "step up to the plate" and scream, rant and rave for GROUP GROUP GROUP all hours of the day and night?
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Mary, take note!
On 2005-06-08 05:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
my bad chris, i was reading one of the entries and it was defending the whitmore and it said she was bad mouthing them. i didnt mean to call her a bitch but you should understand why i got so mad. im glad to know she wasnt and please tell her im sorry.
But if you ever DID speak critically of the Whit, this would be for you w/o apology.
but i still say, SCREW YOU ANONYMOUS WHITMORE HATER, GROW SOME BALLS AND QUIT TALKIN CRAP. THE WHITMORE PEOPLE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, THEY GIVE THEIR LIVES TO THOSE KIDS, AND THEY ARE SELFLESS, WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU. JUST CAUSE YOU FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND A LOVED ONES REPUTATION DOESN'T MEAN THEY BRAINWASHED YOU INTO DOING IT.
Get it now? Are you starting to get an inkling? "TO THE DEATH"! Death by having a rag stuffed in your mouth, maybe?
America when will you be angelic
When will you take off your clothes....
America after all it is you and I who are perfect
Not the next world.
--Allen Ginsberg
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nate its ok i understand how frustrating it is. But again honor cheryl dont stoop to the level of some of these people. Honey im glad to see you are grateful for the help and changes they gave you. I think gratitude is one of the most important qualities one can have. Everyone makes mistakes myself you mark and cheryl but what seperates them is was there malice behind them. I believe in cheryls heart of hearts all she wants is all of these kids to be better. Stay grateful and dont let people talk you into judging every mistake people make big or small as we dont want to be judged so harshly our selves. Go make something of your life and that will be the best present you can give yourself and cheryl. god bless honey mary
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MOTHER MARY, it is not a mistake to throw chidren down basement stairs!
It is not a mistake to starve children!
It is not a mistake to spit in chidren's faces!
It is not a mistake to sexually abuse children!
It is not a mistake to slap, punch, kick children.
It is not a mistake to put a girl on a shelve for days without food, and have other kids socker punch her!
It is not a mistake to have groups of kids beat one little boy while he is tied and gagged!
THAT IS OUT RIGHT CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSE!
THAT IS WHAT THE SUDWEEKS DO!
NOT MISTAKES MOTHER MARY!!! CHILD ABUSE!
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On 2005-06-08 10:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I believe in cheryls heart of hearts all she wants is all of these kids to be better. Stay grateful and dont let people talk you into judging every mistake people make big or small as we dont want to be judged so harshly our selves. Go make something of your life and that will be the best present you can give yourself and cheryl. god bless honey mary"
Mary my darling girl....calling a skunk a skunk is not judging....dam fOOl......it's a skunk
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I agree but none of these things ever happened to chris so why would he have been left out. mary
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ever heard of a family with about 6 kids, and only one was abused to the point of death? happens all the time, stupid!
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your behavior is rude and i think its clear to everyone who reads this no matter what their beliefs are. maybe you should not hide behind anonymous. mary
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Mary: why don't you register. Most people here think they are chatting with the imposter cheryl anyway.
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actually chris told me to never enter my password in and it ask for that. no other reason. mary
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On 2005-06-08 19:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"actually chris told me to never enter my password in and it ask for that. no other reason. mary"
how about we all ignore her...she's wasting SPACE and TIMe..............LOL
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Yep, ignore her. She sounds so stupid, beginning to think it may be Sue instead of Cheryl.
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On 2005-06-08 14:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I agree but none of these things ever happened to chris so why would he have been left out. mary"
I only got beat up once in Straight. And it wasn't early on, either. I had been there for nearly 2 years and I finally just couldn't eat another heaping helping of shit. But it happened to others on at least a weakly basis; usually the same kids all the time.
See, I had a lot of experience dealing w/ over-congroling, sadistic bastards as my family had been involved in a similar cult for a number of years. I knew how to play the game sooooo well.
When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
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flatfoots lOOking....seven (7) criminal counts filed......CHERYL has been or will be arressted as of this afternOOn.........yahOO!!!!
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On 2005-06-08 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yep, ignore her. She sounds so stupid, beginning to think it may be Sue instead of Cheryl."
Again, blame it on the summer mountain air, I'm throwing caution to the wind and spilling the beans.
Unless Cheryl is staying somewhere around the Ohio River Basin, this isn't Cheryl. I have every reason to believe this is Mary Gentile.
The trouble w/ cults is that, after you've been involved for awhile, you begin to pick up the group lingo and rythem of thought. It's damned near impossible to tell the leaders from the followers when you have nothing to work w/ but plain ascii type because the followers strive to immitate their leaders.
Anybody around here who knew Mary before she met the Suds? Have her vocabulary and personality changed much?
If there's a worse idea going than locking people up for drug use, it's probably locking them up in close proximity to some tyranical altruist who wants to 'help' them with a problem that probably doesn't exist
-- Ginger Warbis
having had about all the help I can stand!
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:wstupid:
This is quite possibly the most embarassing collection of nonsense I have ever stumbled across.
Between the swinging, kidnapping and the enabling of runaways, how can anyone take your opinions seriously? You know who you are.
I think it's time to sign off, grow up, get a job and move on - while you can...because it is painful to read your uneducated postings.
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just so you know if it doesnt have the name mary at the end then it doesnt come from me i would never post without my name because i only say what i believe and want everyone to know who i am. mary
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GORILLAS through...........read a good book MISS MARY.............criminal deffense 101???