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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Gmom on March 09, 2005, 08:30:00 PM
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My granddaughter received papers today that she is being sued in Small Claims court for almost $5000 -- board for her horse that she removed from the Whitmore a couple of weeks ago -- by Mark Sudweeks. Does he think that an 18-year-old girl has property, assets, a secret account with thousands of dollars? Obviously, not. I call it an attempt at INTIMIDATION, pulling a young girl, whose family lives in another state, into court facing the BYU educated 50+ year Mark Sudweeks. These people are really running scared -- scared because she is speaking the truth. She knows it and they know it. Mark Sudweeks is a coward, no doubt about it. I quess, the THREATS didn't work, so they are trying something else. But, that's not going to work, either. The truth will be told.[ This Message was edited by: Gmom on 2005-03-09 17:33 ]
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Maybe she can counter sue for the use of the horse for the months it was there. It was my understanding that several of the students rode the horse for "therapy." Sounds like a fair exchange to me!
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Now why doesnt that suprise me? I agree with the other poster. If no agreement was made, it is their word against hers, and their word is not very good at the moment. I am sure it was more an informal arangement that she bring her horse with her, so if no written agreement is there, she will be fine. They cannot suddenly decide on a payment if there wasnt a written contract on it now can they.
I also feel they are just feeling the pressure right now. It may get a bit hot for awhile but it will be ok. My heartfelt encouragement to your grandaughter, she doesnt deserve this at all. I have every confidence this will be thrown out of court.
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Wow. I was sitting on the fence but I just hopped over.
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On 2005-03-09 18:34:00, mom2three wrote:
I have every confidence this will be thrown out of court.
I agree. This is a minor, petty issue. Even if she ignores it and defaults, it's only $5k. Looks like a lot of money to an 18yo kid, but it's really not. And all she has to do is show up, preferably w/ a halfway decent local lawyer. And maybe anon is right. She might even get one to work on the prospect of getting recompance for the use of the horse in their 'therapeutic' program. What the hell are they gonna do, admit that they don't run a therapeutic program involving horses?
Could be fun. Doesn't cost anything to shop the case around a little. And if rumors about local horse lovers sentiments toward these folks are well founded, it shouldn't be too hard to find a sympathetic lawyer in the area.
Just tell Leah to not worry. This really is a tempest in a teapot.I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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Tell Leah that we will sign an affadavit that her horse Teza was "the horse" that Zita rode the few times she was ALLOWED to ride while getting the "promised but not delivered" equine horse therapy by "the unofficial horse whisiperer Trinity."
If the Sudweeks are going to LIE and say they had horse therapy---they must continue the LIE and admit they used Leah's horse in the big ole equine horse therapy program!
HECK, they just may OWE LEAH MONEY!
If they are going to sue an 18 year old college student, let them try to recover what Leah has: how about taking over what Leah probably HAS---how about her therapy bills for talking about the abuse she suffered at Whitmore; OR how about maybe her car note; or how about the lease on her apartment; or how about her car insurance????
I mean---what exact assets do they think she has? Guess the Sudweeks maybe still think they have the right to dig into this girl's mom or grandmother's pocket books?
Do these people know no boundaries?
If the Sudweeks want to talk about HORSES, how about letting everyone know why that horse died in October? I'm still waiting for Mr. Fox at the SPCA to explain that one, and he says he will as soon as he hears back from one of the two VETS the Sudweeks say they use.
Is this what we parents and students were warned about--when we were told if we spoke up against the Sudweeks, that we had better watch out for SLAPP suits coming at us?
What a shame--a young girl getting threatening phone calls from Cheryl Sudweeks, and now a grown man, Mark Sudweeks trying to intimidate her with a small claims suit. And this is an example of their Christian unconditional love? Do they not understand that intimidation does not work, and judges do know right from wrong---something the Sudweeks may need to start taking a good look at?
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Our computer sytem has been broken into--think the slang word is "Hacked." Emails have been sent out using MY email address to a Whitmore Parent, which have resulted in this Whitmore parent contacting me---and I was accused of ILLEGALLY READING EMAILS FROM THE WHITMORE COMPUTER. I believe this Whitmore parent--that she was as totally shocked to received these emails FROM MY EMAIL ADDRESS--as if they were ME, as I was to receive her VERY ANGRY RESPONSES TO "ME." I do not know this parent, and from this incident-turned over my hard drive and discovered that I had been "hacked."
But for one of these "fake emails from me," to include "ME" admitting to the activity of getting into the Whitmore Computer System--is just a bit bit suspicious, to me anyway.
My hard drive is being analyzed--so I do not YET know WHO "hacked into my computer system" and was in my email box 75 times, or used my email address, or who access to my Grad Lit Site 14 times...but, I do know it happened.
I do not feel INTIMIDATED--but I do feel violated. I do now have a different system and protection against such activity.
I have received threatening phone calls from a friend and employee of the Sudweeks, Ben McQuivey. I do not feel INTIMIDATED--but I have taken percautions.
INTIMIDATION is used to frighten people, or to subdue them. INTIMIDATION does not work to the benefit of the people using this technique in the long run. It is a huge sign of weakness.
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You may not have been hacked. They may have just spoofed your address to make it look like the emails came from you. You can download software to do this from the internet. It's not rocket science. The header information on the emails (the bit that email software doesn't normally show you) will give an indication of where it really came from.
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No, the San Antonio Police Department has their forensic computer expert evaluating it all--and the Department will deal with WHOEVER did this.
Just installed security stuff on a laptop for me to use until they finish thier job.
Hope they were bored silly reading all my Grad level literature notes etc...or, maybe they learned something academic along the way!
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Did you forget leah? You told us all about your family secrets, and if you dont stop i will tell them all, if you are going to tell lies about us, its going to backfire on you. and what do you want us to do, rescue you like you have been your whole life? so you can turn into your grandpa?
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Guess this would be an attempt at more intimidation? If all is well at The Whitmore why still make threats?
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i find it ironic that JOYCE HARRIS is blameing everyone else for the very things she is doing. check it out guys. next time she accuses someone watch out she just did it herself
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voices of warning are meant to be heardnot just raised.
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Then why aren't the police investigating Joyce Harris? Why are charges filed against her? Why doesn't she have a bunch of people speaking for her. She seems to speak for herself. Sure don't see the big bad Cherly or Mark talking. Oh, bet their lawyers told them to Shhhh!
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exactly, if you have a lawyer and seriously are doing anything, you stay off forums. that is what makes me believe joyce is a lot of hot air. that private email tells a lot. it may be wrong of that person to post it, but it really puts on a lightbulb.
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On 2005-03-10 16:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Guess this would be an attempt at more intimidation? If all is well at The Whitmore why still make threats?"
I dont stay at the whitmore anymore, i am at home and i stand by what i said, i know a lot about leah, i can ruin a lot if she wants to start with me. not a threat, but a promise
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It really doesn't matter what Leah did or did not tell anyone there. That is not the issue, and it really doesn't matter. Leah's family loves her. It doesn't matter what she said -- or did, for that matter. Real love for someone is not contingent on good behavior, which seems to be a real control mechanism at the Whitmore. It's a way of controlling. And young kids with issues are very vulnerable to it.
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If the Sudweeks really knew about adoption issues and Reactive Attachment Disorder, then they would never have posted anything about Zita Harris. Classic symptoms of the disorder are discussed in that confidential email. Try taking Psychology 1301, and you would see the mother was spelling out the exact complaints of the disorder. The Sudweeks do advertise they specialize in "attachment problems." Think the Sudweeks probably do have a lawsuit on their hands with this one.
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Are we going to blame Joyce Harris for beating and abusing JOEY, too?????
Guess she sneaked into Whitmore and abused her daughter there too????
She probably beat the hell out of Hannah and Camille too, huh?
Bet she beat up Leah too, right Cheryl?
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On 2005-03-10 17:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
I dont stay at the whitmore anymore, i am at home and i stand by what i said, i know a lot about leah, i can ruin a lot if she wants to start with me. not a threat, but a promise"
Looks like blackmail to me. God damn! Don't you kids understand that this is transient shit? You'll all grow up a little more and go on w/ your lives. Please try not to tear each other up too much in the mean time!Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
--Dan Barker, author and former evangelist
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anti i am so sick of you and your cunning ways. im sick of your language i am sick of your warped perspective. you are a very troubled person. how you were ever able to influence the minds of so many people, really doesnt amaze me when you consider the world we live in.
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Need a little anger control here. Be careful or Cherly will be yelling GROUP GROUP GROUP, and you know how that can end up. BE CAREFUL
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arent you getting tired of saying the same ol stuff. what is she supposes to say with that many kids. lets have a talk lets have a talk.
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hey granny!!!!!....your daughter's secret account goes str8 to drugs..if she stopped using..or if you wanted to HELP your lil baby..then maybe you should knock some sense into her..she shouldnt be all worried and in distress since is isnt "that much." Its aite though..that horse aint gonna make it long with her..I mean its an arabian that was healthy ever since it came to the Whitmore..but when it came..it looked on the verge of death..so i guess it will go right back to that stage....anyways..tell your lil hoe that if she stopped messing with drugs then she could pay for that horse and not have to worry like she is..AND since you did GIVE that horse to the Whitmore instead of putting it down because she couldnt keep it at your house..just take accountability...but I hope that horse dies before you do since you are getting up there in age.
PEACE OUT
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GRANNY...I forgot to letcha know that you are gonna be the one paying for lil TEZA..like the truck..the horse..the apartment that LEAH GOT KICKED OUTTA...the cell phone...you are like a dog on a leash..HHAHAHAHA..maybe if Leah pulls a little harder on that leash you might see a little clearer since you sure kno how to bark with no bite...oh and Leah did tell people how much she did not like you but loved your $$$
CASH MONEY!
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Here are the facts. Teza was not kept at MY HOUSE. She was kept on a ranch that boards horses here in California. She was very, very healthy when she left here. She was checked by the vet before we sent her to Utah. In fact, she weighed quite a bit more than she did when I saw her at Whitmore. I was shocked when I saw her, she was skin and bones. In fact, I asked the boy who was feeding the horses to make sure she got fed and the other horses did not eat what was intended for her. So whoever you are, better know what you are talking about before spouting off. Don't believe those fairy tales you are being told by Cheryl.
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You'd think the last word the Sudweeks would want connected to their name would be HORSE!
DON"T THESE PEOPLE EVER LEARN??????????????
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Well we know for a fact the Suds have a history of keeping underfed horses;starved even; so the loss of weight while in their care dosen't surprize me. I am surprized that with their history, they'd dare to point fingers at anyone else.
I am surprized they'd try and claim the horse belongs to them, after filing a small claim for the boarding of the same animal.
But maybe I shouldn't be. :roll:
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ok granny...little red riding hood is waiting for you in Orem..since it is one of the US's largest drug distrubution places..anyways..that's aside the point...how would Cheryl tell me what to say since I have already graduated the program and am at home you idiot..but..ok ok..i am coming back to visit and stay for awhile since everyone here are my best friends and I owe my life to mark and cheryl...but whatever granny...all you idiots can ask the SPCA about the horses here since there was no problem, they are in perfect condition and we still have them as well as half the horses from Canada..you morons.
Jokes on you
PEACE OUT
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Read the transcript---the Sudweeks have a lifetime ban on themselves in Canada. They can't even own a dog in Canda.
The Canadian Govt will not allow those people to ever own a horse in Canada, ever!
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http://www.animaladvocates.com/ILLEGAL-SEIZURES/ (http://www.animaladvocates.com/ILLEGAL-SEIZURES/)
Reginia-v.Sudweeks.htm
What part of GUILTY do they not get?
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what part of get a life DONT you get??
this is like where old people come and chat cuz they aint got nothin better to do than talk crap about something they cant touch..hmm..nice life...go out and enjoy the day you hermits.
YOU 2 GRANNY
hahahahaha
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Where's YOUR LIFE? You seem to still be here bozo!
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anonymous...youre a fucking retard. people could get dumber just reading your posts. granny, granny, granny. just simply shut the fuck up or that might be to much to ask. you say leahs grandma is getting up there in age but i wish you would just die. that would be a favor to everyone. you can shittalk all you want after this bitch cause i wouldnt really care.
PEACE OUT
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PEACE OUT???? and you wish death to someone?
Wow, that is something else, BOZO!
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if ur IQ got any lower you might be braindead. i was being sarcastic and mocking him. dont get to smart now
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On 2005-03-11 10:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ok granny...little red riding hood is waiting for you in Orem..since it is one of the US's largest drug distrubution places..anyways..that's aside the point...how would Cheryl tell me what to say since I have already graduated the program and am at home you idiot..but..ok ok..i am coming back to visit and stay for awhile since everyone here are my best friends and I owe my life to mark and cheryl...but whatever granny...all you idiots can ask the SPCA about the horses here since there was no problem, they are in perfect condition and we still have them as well as half the horses from Canada..you morons.
Jokes on you
PEACE OUT"
You're contradicting yourself in this post. Are you home now or are you at Whitmore? You say "We still have them". That implies that you are at the Whitmore but you start the post by saying you're at home? Which is it?A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace.
James Madison, The Federalist No. 46
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On 2005-03-11 08:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
then maybe you should knock some sense into her..
anyways..tell your lil hoe that if she stopped messing with drugs then she could pay for that horse and not have to worry like she is..
...but I hope that horse dies before you do since you are getting up there in age.
PEACE OUT"
Posted: 2005-03-11 10:17:00 I dont stay at the whitmore anymore, i am at home and i stand by what i said, i know a lot about leah, i can ruin a lot if she wants to start with me. not a threat, but a promise
Posted: 2005-03-11 16:42:00 just simply shut the fuck up or that might be to much to ask. you say leahs grandma is getting up there in age but i wish you would just die. that would be a favor to everyone
Posted: 2005-03-11 17:28:00 hey ms.harris why dont you get a life, your pathetic! leahs a whore, i fucked her so many times! she gave me dome in her truck that you bought her. quit defending that dumb bitch, she needs a slap of reality in the face from the whitmore. your just justifying everything. shes in the wrong,
peace
Just what is it that y'all are being taught there? Damn! :eek:
Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.
--Sisterbluerose
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Why don't the Sudweeks post the records, VET report, treatments on that horse that died in October 2004? IF THE HORSE WAS REALLY EVER TREATED BY ANY VET!
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maybe because Joyce might have it deleted since it is personal info, and why would they go to that extent to show people who are only talking back and forth on a website to cover up their tiny and pitiful lives.
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why do i say "we?"...that is no contradiction..haha..cuz I love everyone there and WE are fmaily...that is why I say..you idiots..HAHAHA
you make me laugh
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your fucking retarded
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"your" in the sense that you are talking about is "you are," and so it is spelled you're.
How is that for retarded?
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Words have power for good or evil. It takes more intelligence to not swear or use bad language. You tell on yourself......By using words to shock or insult or slander you hurt not only others but in your own mind you think you are forcing a proof through your bad words that means you are being serious and these words are the proof of how serious you are. Choosing bad language does little to give anyone any confience in you... We look to the source and search for truth your bad words and bad choices do not reccomend you as someone in whom we can believe for have confidence in... You waste your time and others when you react with bad language. As someone wise once said: Make wise chioces...Plain and simple...
It may take some time but hidden things will be shouted from the housetops...I hope that those involved with the Whitmore Academy can make the needed impovements and move forward with thier lives. Best Wishes to all of you....
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Holy sheep shit, Batman! Was that a lecture on good manners and polite conversation coming from the Whitmore :question: :question: :question:
Have you read any of this forum at all? Like this, lifted from just one page up in this thread:
anonymous...youre a fucking retard. people could get dumber just reading your posts. granny, granny, granny. just simply shut the fuck up or that might be to much to ask. you say leahs grandma is getting up there in age but i wish you would just die. that would be a favor to everyone. you can shittalk all you want after this bitch cause i wouldnt really care.
PEACE OUT
What are you people smokin' out there?? :roll:
One does not have to appeal to God to set the initial conditions for the creation of the universe, but if one does He would have to act through the laws of physics.
--Stephen Hawking, English scientist
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On 2005-03-14 13:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"your fucking retarded"
Well, maybe it was meant like a classical close to a letter. As in:
Your Fucking Retarded,
Anonymous PosterOnly two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
--Albert Einstein
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I hope you can get over yourself , have a rational thought and move on.
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Here's a rational thought: How about NOT threatening people who are voicing their opinions, and telling the truth?
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Let us begin by saying that it is very difficult to express in words (certainly without crying) just how grateful we are to Mark and Cheryl for their wonderful program at The Whitmore. Ten months ago, we made a decision to send our son, XXXXX, to The Whitmore. As hard as it was to send our son away, we knew that our decision would in some way change his life forever, hopefully in a positive way. We said good-bye to a very sad, angry, deeply troubled child who had chosen to get involved with the wrong group of friends and was experimenting with drugs in order to make himself feel better. He felt hopeless and at times expressed a desire to "end it all" to take away his pain.
During the past 10 months we have had the overwhelming opportunity to experience our son begin to love himself, to forgive himself and us for everything passed, to take pride in his schoolwork, to express his feelings openly and honestly, to learn the value of family, to become grateful for even the little things in life, to deal with life and its ups and downs directly and to simply love and cherish life! Our experience at The Whitmore has been the most amazing experience we have ever had as a family.
We have visited XXXXX several times in the past 10 months and come home in awe of the changes in XXXXX, the love between the kids and the dedication and love that Mark and Cheryl have to each child in the program. Right from the beginning, we have had open, private and regular communication with XXXXX both through e-mails and telephone conversations. We have been encouraged to visit and are welcomed with open arms both by the kids and Mark and Cheryl. We are Christians (Methodist) and have NEVER felt that the Mormon religion has been "forced" on our son. We have NEVER feared for XXXXX's safety or well-being under Mark and Cheryl's care. XXXXX will openly and freely tell you that his experience at The Whitmore has been "...the best thing that ever happened to me..."!
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To Anon: It would be nice to be able to tell the "truth and not be THREATENED and called names." Have you read the postings from Whitmore and the criminal threats that have been made to Leah, and other former students and parents? CRIMINAL THREATS so serious that police reports have been made?
Surely you are aware that Mark Sudweeks filed a lawsuit against an 18 year old student, Leah when all she did was come with a police escort to pick up her own horse that she LEGALLY OWNS.
NOW JUST WHO IS THREATENING WHOM?
WHO is LYING about WHOM?
You need to get a few honest, truthful FACTS straight.
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Anon who had a positive experience at Whitmore.
Write back after your son has been home several weeks, OK.
AND unless you want your son's confidential records posted on a public forum; be careful about criticizing the Sudweeks---they will turn on you in a second if you dare fall out of favor with them.
Trust your son continues to do well.
Trust your son is not one of Cheryl's "warriors" that just may be called to court IF Mr. Eldrige brings the criminal charges against the Sudweeks.
You may ask your son in "confidence" exactly what he know about the abuse of Joey--JUST TO BE PREPARED in case your son was involved in any way.
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Why would you feel like crying when you talk about the Whitmore and the Sudweeks? Is sending your child off to "SCHOOL" and talking about his teachers that overwhelming? Sounds a bit cultist to me. You DIDN'T bring home any of that KOOL-AID now did you?
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To Unknown 3::
Is your son still at the Whitmore?
Are you concerned about the fire code problems there, and the fact that there has to be a person on "fire watch" duty?
Did you read the article in the Tribune?
Mark Sudweeks states: There is no therapy going on at the Whitmore, and that the Sudweeks are out of the teen-help business.
The Whitmore only has "candidacy status" accreditation with the State of Utah...and are RED FLAGGED.
The Sudweeks ARE being investigated for child abuse and fraud, etc. Does this not concern you?
So what type of CARE exactly are you paying thousands of dollars a month for?
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UNKNOWN3---WHO is posting here? This thread appears to be parents, but on the other thread it appears to the the student. Very confusing. I am being "addressed personally," and I do not know if it is a parent, or a minor student. Hardly fair.
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I think it is Cheryl.....
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My daughter or I could have written your letter about Leah, almost word-for-word -- UNTIL SHE WAS HOME FOR A WHILE! Things are not what they seem at the Whitmore, as evidenced by the growing number of ex-students from all over the country coming forward with the same type stories. Most of these kids have had no contact with one another since they have been home. I am not just saying this, it has been documented by authorities.
Please look at the extensive investigation going on by several different agencies in the State of Utah. These agencies don't usually waste their time on frivolous accusations.
I strongly urge you to contact the Nephi PD to verify the information appearing on this forum.
What you have read here is the real Whitmore. We were taken in hook, line and sinker, for the 15 months Leah was there. IT WAS ALL A LIE!!!
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UNKNOWN3---The only parents that should CRY everytime they think about Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks and Whitmore is JOEY'S PARENTS!!!!!!
But they probably are too busy working with authorites, and attorneys to sit around crying and boo-hooing about these two PEOPLE!
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Unknown 3,
Ask you son about the "famous" movie outing at Provo when Cheryl went raving mad and attacked a teenage boy in the parking lot--cussing this boy, and hitting him. TO the point a bystander called the Provo Police.
The the crazy Cheryl had all the Whitmore kids write up lies on their individual police statements, telling the kid: "I need your help on THIS one, kids."
Great shining example she sets for kids, YOURS included Unknown3.
All started because she got all upset becasue HER ex-son-in-law just happened to be at the same movie with a pretty ex-Whitmore student?
Cheryl is a lunatic! And YOU cry because she radiates LOVE. Give me a break!
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These parents UNKNOWN3 need to ask their son about the abuse against Joey. Unless their son is blind, deaf, dumb and severely retarded: he knows what happened to this boy,too. And the way Cheryl Sudweeks manipulates kids---IF this boy was involved in any way, he needs to tell his parents right away. None of the authorities want to blame the kids--but the kids involved will be called forward as witnesses, and will be confronted in court...or that is the way it should be, anyway. UNKNOWN3, you are grown, and you need to speak honestly with your son, and take off the cult-rose-colored glasses.
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UNKNOWN3.... You say that you are christian and the Mormon religion is not forced upon your child? I am Catholic; when I first got there, I was told that I didn't need to go to churc with the mormoms, and that they would find me a Catholic church if need be. I was all for it. Once Sunday rolled around, there was no Catholic Church lined up for me to go to, and Cheryl guilted me into going to their Mormon church with them. So I did, just this once, she said. Yeah, right. EVERY sunday after that, I was made to go to their church with them, 'the only true church,' is what they call it, which is the biggest load of shit. You know that they believe black people are derived from Caan, who was cursed with a black mark on his forhead for killing his brohter Able. So you can see why Chryl would be racist. As for Jews, they believe they deserved what was ahnded to them at the Hollicaust, for what they did to Jesus. I mean, I don't agree with what the Jews believe in, but I wouldn't discriminate against them for it. Anyways, after a few weeks, I was 'asked' to please go to the, I don't know, two hour or so, Sunday school. I quote 'asked', b/c it is like if I didn't go, there would be consequences for me to endure. We had the missionaries over frequently, to talk to us about converting to the mormon religion.
So if you still think that religion is not forced onto your child, think again.
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Of course the Sudweeks force the Mormon religion on the kids at Whitmore. If the kids do not attend, even if they are sick, then they are punished. Not saying anything is wrong with the Mormon religion, or any other religion. But the Sudweeks simply LIE when they tell parents that the kids can "walk to any other church in town, and go where they CHOOLSE." And the kids know better than to even try and confront Cheryl about making an independent choice about going to any other church!
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Hey i think this site is stupid. but i thought you should know i lived at the academy for a year. my family is Catholic and my father doesnt like Mormans. i never went to church there once. i stayed home because, there was not a Catholic church in town. Cheryl was very nice about it. I love Cheryl. She helped me so much. No she did not baby me. She just always knows what to do. It is a gift she has. are you people jealous of that or what is your problem. sometimes jealousy makes you do stupid things. Please stop being Jealous. i know this is your problem. I bet if i saw you you would be green. oh yah i also know that Zita loved Cheryl. She really needed Cheryl. She was so afraid to go home. she told us all things i cannot say. We always said what is said in group stays in group. That is so you could open up more freely. you people have really hurt alot of people. i am not talking about just the sudweeks i am talking about my friends that lived with me. this is hard for all of them. what good are you doing. is this about money. if not. what. certainly it isnt about abuse because i know there was none. if there was i would tell you. that is what everyone teases me about. (this is my gift) I see between the lines. there was never abuse. please dont hurt all the kids any more. please stop. it makes me so confused and sad that grownups are so hateful. Cheryl and mark taught us to trust and believe in good things. that is what most of us hold on to. you make me want to cry. love Bernie
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Allison i remember Cheryl told you not to take the missionary discussions, because your mom didnt want you to. You did it any way. I remember you even got up in church and bore your testimony. i use to respect you. this is so discouraging that a few little old ladys could make you turn this into a soap opera full of lies. Why dont you call Cheryl. She talks about you all the time. i dont think she knows what you say now. What happened to you. we were good friends once. remember, thanksgiving point and the biggest sundaes in the world? i have a lot of pictures in my scrap book. i miss you.
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after a year there i am still methodist. the morman religion never hurt me or my family. whats the big deal. we went to church. actually, it was nice. and NONE of the kids were EVER forced to go.
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On 2005-05-03 01:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
We always said what is said in group stays in group. That is so you could open up more freely.
love Bernie
Just look around, Bernie. That confidentiality deal goes out the window the minute you step out of line. Always try to do things in chronological order; it's less confusing that way.
--Unknown
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Bernie you just proved your point. You revealed confidential information about Allison. So who wants to hear anything else YOU HAVE TO SAY?
You are not trustworthy at all!
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Bernie, why was your trip to Whitmore cut short by two days? Problems at Whitmore?
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HELLOOOOOO CHERYL!!!
Everyone knows that Bernie (Bernardo) lives in Mexico. Don't think this IP address is from Mexico, dear sick, sad, deranged Cheryl!!!!!!