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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 03, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
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So you have some questions that you wanted answers for...well Zitah was not up at 3 AM in the morning sending an email to you, she sent it through Cheryl and maybe she was up to send it to you. She did write it because we remember you getting upset about her not contacting you and so we told her to write one, it was her talking to you, she did play in the snow with the rest of the kids, she did have friends, she wasn't part of the horse program because the school has quarters and she was going to wait and start later, that is the way that all schools are, the only reason that she was depressed is because she was trying to tell us the truth and many people did not believe her because of the lies that you told us so we would be on your side, she asked for an airport card because it did not work, I helped her with her computer and it did not work, so if you wanted her to do school then you should have gotten her one, and you are worried about your daughter so much and spending time with her then why do you spend practiacally half of your day on this website, obviously you have no life because all you do is complain, also no one went to church that did not want to go there, we went because we wanted to and out of respect, no one restricted you from talking to your daughter, we all have the same rules about call days and such, why don't you take a hint maybe she didn't want to talk to you. She was scared of you and the only reason you took her out was because she was starting to get comfortable with us and she was going to tell us the truth. You did not pull her by her hair, but you did push her down the stairs and the part no one knows is she RAN back from the car to the mansion and latched on to one of the girls because she didn't want to leave with you. Why else would she run away from you? Hmmm...that tells me something. Maybe you should be the one looked at for abuse. We have proof, you can just wait and see and when it all comes out you are going to feel stupid. I can't wait. :silly:
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sounds like JH got called to the carpet? what say ye now? the truth shall prevail.
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That is all a bunch of crap, and you know it. That is NOT a school, not even remotely.
Tell me, how do you know Cheryl sent that e-mail at 3:00 in the morning? Or better yet, how do you know what was sent was really even written by Zeta? Who is the "special trusted inmate" Cheryl has as her buddy now that determines what e-mails go out or come in? Nothing is the truth that comes out of Whitmore when kids are there -- too much fear, and the Sudweeks rely on the fact that parents won't believe their kids anyway -- "they're being muniplitive." But, you are right on one thing -- IT WILL ALL COME OUT!!
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I believe the truth did come out...and that Mark Sudweeks was nailed as a confirmed LIAR, and a little COWARD too. He was given a chance to give a rebuttal wasn't he? Not another word out of his little lying mouth.
Couldn'nt he make one of these brave students speak for him? Or do they just talk for Cheryl's pitiful soul?
No, he tried calling ISAC and yelling LAWYER, LAWYER, LAWYER...and he got caught lying his tail off. What sayeth he?
The TRUTH DID PREVAIL. He is the liar!
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I know that this is Leah's Grandma and you are just trying to cover up for Leah, as someone said before your granddaughter has enough of her own problems like Joey, she is just bitter and upset because she couldn't take it. Her friend Hannah (I think that is right) is trying to get on with her life and Leah just keeps trying to drag her and her family into it. Ask Leah this if she hated Mark and Cheryl and saw what a "terrible place" the Whitmore was then why when Hannah left did Leah bring her back? Answer that one? She is the lier as well, she sent them a bill for money that they didn't even owe, this is all ridiculous and you know it otherwise you would not have come here and talk to the kids and liked it like you did now would you have? I know what happened with Joyce Harris and Mark Sudweeks is the most honest person I know, more than any of you will ever be. No one even knows whats really going on except for Mark, Cheryl, and thier lawyer. Everyone else is just pulling it out of their butts.
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Zita did not write that email. She says Cheryl wrote it.
Zita was up at 3AM with Cheryl Sudweeks, and hopefully one day Cheryl Sudweeks will have to explain in a court of law, exactly what she was doing TO MY DAUGHTER at that time and WHY she did it.
Our contact with Zita was restricted by Cheryl Sudweeks, and when we did talk with Zita, every phone call was monitored at that woman's directions.
We were lied to about the Equine Horse Program--told Zita would be assigned a horse the day she arrived, to tend to, to ride DAILY, to love, and to be involved with in INTENSE THERAPY with.
By a trainer who was trained under Monty Roberts, and this was all a LIE to entice us to enroll Zita in this program.
Zita's Dell computer was internet ready and did not require an APPLE Airport Card. Those Airport Cards are sold on Ebay by Cheryl Sudwweeks. Check their Ebay account for yourself. The kids are not allowed to go onto the internet and you know it. It is another Sudweek money making scheme!
Zita was not pushed down any stairs, and we have a police report to prove everything that happened that night, so stop lying for Cheryl Sudweeks. She is manipulating you. She is trying to lower the flames of gossip about the investigation of physical and sexual abuse among some parents who have students at Whimore now who are also very concerned about the Animal Cruelty in Canada.
Some parents at Whitmore now are also concerned about the "elite group" who are on the Caring Parents Support Group Chat site, and wondering why they have not been included? Several of us who removed our children never even heard of this Parent site when our kids were there. Why? Because we were not INVITED! Who ever heard of a school have a "secret parent forum of parents on a web site" where you had to be "approved and invited" to know what is going on at your child's school???? And who does the "APPROVING AND INVITING?"
These parents are contacting ME now...as if I know what is going on at Whitmore Academy.
And most certainly there is no one at Whitmore Academy who can make me feel stupid. Who, the so well-educated, raving Cheryl?
And, I do not ask children to defend me or to speak for me. When you were asked to do this, why didn't you speak up and say: "Cheryl, if you have something to say, why don't you say it yourself?" I know why you didn't. So, it is fine, you are just a kid.
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So its time for some story revision I guess.
Story was, the child was dragged down the stairs and out the door by her hair.
So Now this is admitted to be a lie (an often told lie which I heard myself) and now we have that she was instead pushed down the stairs.
Same logic as before: An officer of the law was present and observing (admitted to by all parties) and IF anything like this would have happened, common sense dictates, Mrs. Harris would have been arrested and charged with battery, or some such thing, and it would be accounted for in the incident report.
I admit, I have not actually seen the incident report. But I have spoken to those who have, and I'm told nothing remotely along those lines is in it. Anon - Please, insist your source provide you with a copy to read for yourself. I'm bettin' they won't, b/c It tells a very different story than the one you're hanging onto for dear life.
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I would print the darn incident report---
but you know what?
It really is a hoot to just see where these
lying folks will go next.
If I did half of what I've been accused of, I'd probably still be living in that fine town of Nephi---at the expense to the taxpayers in that little Nephi jailhouse!
Next thing you know--- they will say I grabbed Chery by the hair and beat the tar out of her.
Now, there's a fantasy.....
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On 2005-03-03 10:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So you have some questions that you wanted answers for...well Zitah was not up at 3 AM in the morning sending an email to you, she sent it through Cheryl and maybe she was up to send it to you.
Why couldn't Zita just send it herself? Why did this have to be sent through Cheryl?
she wasn't part of the horse program because the school has quarters and she was going to wait and start later, that is the way that all schools are,
Who are the teachers in the school?
the only reason that she was depressed is because she was trying to tell us the truth and many people did not believe her because of the lies that you told us so we would be on your side, also no one went to church that did not want to go there, we went because we wanted to and out of respect, no one restricted you from talking to your daughter, we all have the same rules about call days and such, why don't you take a hint maybe she didn't want to talk to you. She was scared of you and the only reason you took her out was because she was starting to get comfortable with us and she was going to tell us the truth.
Doesn't this statement, in the context of knowing what a lot of us know about this place sound like someone in the midst of the indoctrination process? Both the author and the subject of the statement.
You did not pull her by her hair, but you did push her down the stairs and the part no one knows is she RAN back from the car to the mansion and latched on to one of the girls because she didn't want to leave with you.
Aside from the fact that this has been addressed in the form of a police report which I'm sure you can confirm by calling the police department, right here in this very statement above you are contradicting your fellow students' (and I use that term loosely) statements. They have said that Joyce yanked her by the hair. http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsnz.html#whitmore (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsnz.html#whitmore)
Now, given the choice between believing the statements of the kids posting here who are still in this place and are still vulnerable to the Sudweeks (not to mention the fact that the kids contradict each other on the facts) and believing the parents and the police.....the choice isn't difficult for me.Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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On 2005-03-03 13:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
No one even knows whats really going on except for Mark, Cheryl, and thier lawyer. Everyone else is just pulling it out of their butts
What an astonishing statement! Sudweeks said it, I believe it, that settles it? No one else has eyes and ears and minds of their own?
There's more to this, kid. There always is.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
-- Anonymous
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Ok Joyce, I know that Zitah wrote the email because I saw her when she was doign it. And ok she was no specific with what kind of airport card she needed, OF COURSE SHE WOULDN'T NEED AN APPLE AIR PORT CARD FOR A DELL YOU IDIOT, THAT IS ALL OBVIOUS. I am a kid that is home now and I don't understand now that your child has left why are you still ranting and raving about it? I know that you are lying for Zitah because I knew who she was here. Cheryl never sexually abused anyone especially not your Zitah. Mrs. Harris I saw a picture that you sent to Mark once and it looked like you were trying to say, "here I am so let's take our clothes off" look in your cut off dress and your sleezy make up. You are the one that I am worried about sexually abusing. You are too full of your old and wrinkly old body, get over yourself you are nothing to look like. Your husband and you remind me of the Queen of hearts in Alice in Wonderland and your husband is the king. All you do it push your husband around because he is such a huge pussy and you run around saying, "off with their heads." Ok I am done but one last question is why are you doing this? What sparked this fire. You obviously don't care about your daughter because this was the best thing for her and it is the worst place for her to be home. The cops hate the Whitmore so they lied in their report. And I saw your statement if that is what you want to call it and I know what it says. The only reason you sent her away was because you were getting scared. You even wrote us an email saying that you had hit her before and we have that sweety so what are you going to do now. You admitted to abuse. You can try to convince anyone to be on your side and the only reason that you weren't in that parent's thing is because look at you, who wants to listen to you complain all the time online?
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Oh and Trinity was trained under Monty Roberts and how would you know. They still know more about horses than a lot of people do. She went to school for 3 years for it and DID train with Montey Roberts. :silly:
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On 2005-03-03 13:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok Joyce, I know that Zitah wrote the email because I saw her when she was doign it. And ok she was no specific with what kind of airport card she needed, OF COURSE SHE WOULDN'T NEED AN APPLE AIR PORT CARD FOR A DELL YOU IDIOT, THAT IS ALL OBVIOUS. I am a kid that is home now and I don't understand now that your child has left why are you still ranting and raving about it? I know that you are lying for Zitah because I knew who she was here. Cheryl never sexually abused anyone especially not your Zitah. Mrs. Harris I saw a picture that you sent to Mark once and it looked like you were trying to say, "here I am so let's take our clothes off" look in your cut off dress and your sleezy make up. You are the one that I am worried about sexually abusing. You are too full of your old and wrinkly old body, get over yourself you are nothing to look like. Your husband and you remind me of the Queen of hearts in Alice in Wonderland and your husband is the king. All you do it push your husband around because he is such a huge pussy and you run around saying, "off with their heads." Ok I am done but one last question is why are you doing this? What sparked this fire. You obviously don't care about your daughter because this was the best thing for her and it is the worst place for her to be home. The cops hate the Whitmore so they lied in their report. And I saw your statement if that is what you want to call it and I know what it says. The only reason you sent her away was because you were getting scared. You even wrote us an email saying that you had hit her before and we have that sweety so what are you going to do now. You admitted to abuse. You can try to convince anyone to be on your side and the only reason that you weren't in that parent's thing is because look at you, who wants to listen to you complain all the time online?"
WOW. Just WOW. I hardly even know what to say. You say you're home. I'm assuming you're what's to be considered a "successful graduate" of this place??? I hope any parents that are considering placement for their kids in this place take a good long look at that post. Sure does say a lot about the "results" they're producing.None of Nature's landscapes are ugly so long as they are wild.
-- John Muir
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What is that supposed to mean? Most of the kids that do go home do well others just plain old dont care so why should they even try they think. I am getting my life together and my family and I are a lot closer now, everything is 110% better than it used to be. I am so so sorry that I used the word idiot. Why are you defending her anyway? What do you know about the Whitmore to even be talking?
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I'm not going to fight with you sweetheart. I feel too badly for what you must have been exposed to in order for you to have posted what you did.
I wasn't defending Joyce. She's done a pretty good job of doing that herself.
What sort of diploma did you receive when you graduated? Could you please tell me who teaches the academic classes at the Whitmore?The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind.
--Marquis de Sade, French libertine
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Oh my...now my husband and I are characters out of a "Fairy Tale." What next?
And I never sent a picture of myself to anyone at Whitmore Academy. Our daughter came with pictures of her parents---but Cheryl Sudweeks made her get rid of them.
And the very last person I would ever send a picture of myself to would be to Mark Sudweeks.
And anyway, I AM WAY TOO OLD FOR HIM, I hear he prefers little girls, anyway.
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Well--Mark is the one who has been found guilty of Cruelty to Animals, NOT ME....read the transcripts from the Canada trial.
Anyone that cruel to horses and dogs would do just about anything.
And Mark Sudweeks lied about me to ISAC...he's a proven LIAR. Guess he just can't get on the phone and apologize, can he?
He is a liar and it has been proven.
Please do not say that is is not.
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Listen: you called me an IDIOT, but you also called my husband a PUSSY.
Now what is that about?
You do not even know us.
And you have not read the police incident report, because it can not be released to be read unless we sign for it. So STOP!
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What do you mean: "Joey couldn't take it?"
Was he suppose to be able to take the abuse that was given him?
Is that what was expected of a 14 year old little boy?
Come on. He was a kid, and he did not deserve to be treated that way. You need to stop, and think about what you are saying. He was hurt badly, over and over. He was not sent to Whitmore to be humiliated, cursed, hit, and beat.
At least give him that. No, he could not take it, and he should not have had it done to him.
And not one kid at Whitmore should have been made to hurt that boy either. If Cheryl Sudweeks wanted Joey hurt, she should have had the guts to do it herself!
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I mean really look at this post. There's so much in it, even aside from the crude remarks.
Mrs. Harris I saw a picture that you sent to Mark once and it looked like you were trying to say, "here I am so let's take our clothes off" look in your cut off dress and your sleezy make up.
If in fact she had sent that picture to Mark (don't believe for a second she did, but to illustrate a point) why in the world would you, a student there, be privvy to this information? Why would Mark discuss that with you?
it looked like you were trying to say, "here I am so let's take our clothes off"
What[/b] in the world are you guys being taught there? I'm just sitting here with my mouth hanging open at this one.
You obviously don't care about your daughter because this was the best thing for her and it is the worst place for her to be home.
more of the indoctrination process. Old family bad, new family good.
The cops hate the Whitmore so they lied in their report.
All outsiders who don't believe us are bad.
You even wrote us an email saying that you had hit her before and we have that sweety so what are you going to do now.
"Us". Who is us? If its "us" the students why would you have access to this information? If its "us" The Whitmore then do you work for them?
You can try to convince anyone to be on your side and the only reason that you weren't in that parent's thing is because look at you, who wants to listen to you complain all the time online?
So then there was, in fact, a private forum that some parents did not have access to.
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Mark Twain
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This private forum still exists today: But only 12 CHOZEN parent(s) are currently INVITED to participate.
I know because I participate.
Why isn't this open to all the Whitmore parents?
It is called Caring Parents Support Group
Parents do have to be invited by the monitor, and you have to have a password that includes the student first name and date of enrollement.
I wonder if any of the other members feel uncomfortable knowing that other parents are excluded?
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A new member was just accepted, and it is strange, because her daughter is not a student, but is a former student who now works there.
So the feeling is that this member is really on the site to keep the Sudweeks aware of what is talked about.
It is not a comfortable or open atmosphere at all.
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I would like to know about the teachers at whitmore too.
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On 2005-03-03 13:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
The cops hate the Whitmore so they lied in their report.
Why do you think the cops hate Whitmore? I mean that both ways. What makes you think the cops hate Whitmore and, in your opinion, why would the cops hate Whitmore?
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
--John Gilmour
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If Trinity trained under Monty Roberts, that should be easy to prove. Post her credentials.
Prove it!
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On 2005-03-03 14:27:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
WOW. Just WOW. I hardly even know what to say. You say you're home. I'm assuming you're what's to be considered a "successful graduate" of this place??? I hope any parents that are considering placement for their kids in this place take a good long look at that post. Sure does say a lot about the "results" they're producing.
This reminds me a lot of some of the things posted to the Seed forum. I honestly wonder if, 30 years from now, some of these kids will still be having the same discussions....the people have a right to keep and bear arms.
-- Patrick Henry and George Mason Debates
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What exactly and specifically am I supposed to covering up for Leah?
I would say she "took it" pretty well, she was there for 15 months "taking it." The problem with "taking it" is that is not what we were told we were paying for.
Leah took Hannah back because, at the time, Leah had turned 18 and Hannah was a minor. She really didn't have much choice. Her family chooses only to believe the Sudweeks. I feel really bad for Hannah because of that, she is a very sweet and caring person.
By the way, why was it again, that Hannah ran away?
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Hearing that the Sudweeks and students think the cops in Nephi hate the Whitmore sounds rather like good news. Sometimes in these small towns the police are in the pockets of these treatment center people. But the police did listen to this boy who ran to them, and the investigation is still underway. So this is good news.
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GMom, Hannah ran away because she did something REALLY REALLY BAD and Mark Sudweeks caught her!!! :flame:
She actually sent an email home to an UNAPPROVED person. Imagine that!
So Hannah ran away because she was afraid of the consequencies of sending this email. Poor girl. She was brought back, and Cheryl cussed her, pushed her around. Then Casie was made to beat the shit out of Hannah. Blacked Hannah's eye, too. Camille ran with Hannah, and she was beat up too. Hannah was demoted as house monitor too. Can't be having outside communication that is not approved by Cheryl Sudweeks, now can we? :silly:
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You are right GMom,
We were not paying for Leah, and Zita to be "taking it," whatever that is suppose to mean.
We thought we were paying for an academic education being taught by certified teachers, and we thought we were paying for therapy by a licensed professional therapist.
And by "professional" I mean a licensed therapist who knows it is not legal to tell anyone, LIKE THE SUDWEEKS, private confidential conversations that take place in individual therapy. I think any licensing board would agree with that.
And I am sure that Joey's parents were not paying for him to "take it" either.
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joyce i took your advice contacted the ag you referenced. he returned my call today informing me that the state of utah's ag office is no longer investigating any thing at whitmore. as far as he was concerned what ever investigation you referred to is now officially closed. all of this as per your posted ag dude.
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the Monty Roberts issue is the LEAST that anyone should be concerned about. I dont' care if she WAS trained by him. Has nothing to do with what's going on there right now.
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It may be the least, for sure. Even so, it is worth looking over.
People are often not what they seem.
This can be a hard lesson to learn.
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Sorry: But the Attorney General's office is STILL investigating the Sudweeks for FRAUD among other things.
It does not matter what you post to the contrary, the investigator is doing his job!
What are the Sudweeks so worried about?
Sure seems like they are running scared, and running around in wild little circles doesn't it?
Is Cheryl running around the ole mansion yelling:
GROUP GROUP GROUP GROUP GROUP GROUP GROUP?
Watch out kids that you aren't the one she singles out for "Get him the hell out of here!"
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The Monty Roberts issue is important.
It is just ANOTHER LIE of the Sudweeks!
Why can't they just say, We have a little problem with telling the truth.
It's just one of the Big Ten:
Thou Shall Not Lie.
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How about "Thou Shall Not Commit Adultry"
That means that Mark and Cheryl should only have sex with each other.
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Then there's "Thous Shall Not Steal"
Got that one Mark and Cheryl?
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And: "Thou Shall Not Covet Your Neighbor's Wife"
Now Mark, put that picture of Joyce Harris away, and quit showing it all around!!!
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OK OK. It'll prove one more lie. I wasn't saying its not important at all, just that its the least on my list. I'm on your side guys, ease up.
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If there are only 12 parents allowed on that Caring Parents Support Group chat site, maybe there is something Biblical working here, MAYBE these are the Sudweek Diciples, huh?
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Posting 16:46
don't you just love it when cheryl types and uses teenage language like "dude" trying to disguise herself? Funny isn't it?
come on cheryl, talk to us, big mouth.
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Actually, I think someone who was trained under Monty Roberts held a horse clinic and Trinity attended this clinic. Hey, a few hours with a Monty Roberts trainee, that's real impressive. Imagine what she would be qualified for if she read a chapter of a history book!!!!
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That is probably how they qualified all of their "teachers". Read a book on english composition? Ok, you are our english teacher.
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Mrs. Harris, I am a mother at Whitmore and I will strongly support them in any case against you or any of these people on this website. They are really doing a great job and yes, the school is doing very well. I just came from there. We had free roam to go anywhere and talk to anyone. It was a very comfortable place to be.
Mrs. Harris, I would like to see a copy of the police report filed that night you took Zita from the school. How might I get that?
Also, I understand from other students there are accusations against you and your husband from Zita. Do you know what those might be?
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Oh, by the way, I am on the Caring Parents Support Group site and any of the parents of the existing students are invited to the site. Sorry to disappoint you.
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You all are really mean. Cheryl doesn't come on this website. Would you like to read these mean things being said about yourself. I don't think so. I wouldn't. I would avoid it. Think about it!!
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Joyce, aren't you a teacher? That's really scarey. A teacher who is suppose to teach children core subjects? But, teaching also requires teaching them life lessons, right? I'm sorry, Joyce, but, any person, teacher or not, who would start a campaign to destroy people and their families is simply just wrong. It's teachers like you that that motivate parents to homeschool their children. You need to really take a look at yourself in the mirror and see what's really there and what are you really trying to do. What do you think would happen if you just stopped visiting this website and started thinking nothing but good thoughts about the world, your family, your daughter. It might surprise you.
Whitmore may not be perfect for you and some others, but it is a good place for some of us. This campaign you are doing is destroying more than Cheryl and Mark. You are hurting other students. The children at Whitmore are happy, healthy kids. There is no abuse going on. There is no brainwashing going on. You are really hurting the other students and their families. They are really happy with what they have. Why can't you leave all of us alone and let us, as parents, make our own decisions.
Maybe it wasn't good for you, but there are alot of good facilities out there that can help Zita. This one just seems to be helping my child and my family. Please stop.
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On 2005-03-04 13:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Joyce, aren't you a teacher? That's really scarey. A teacher who is suppose to teach children core subjects? But, teaching also requires teaching them life lessons, right? I'm sorry, Joyce, but, any person, teacher or not, who would start a campaign to destroy people and their families is simply just wrong. It's teachers like you that that motivate parents to homeschool their children. You need to really take a look at yourself in the mirror and see what's really there and what are you really trying to do. What do you think would happen if you just stopped visiting this website and started thinking nothing but good thoughts about the world, your family, your daughter. It might surprise you.
Whitmore may not be perfect for you and some others, but it is a good place for some of us. This campaign you are doing is destroying more than Cheryl and Mark. You are hurting other students. The children at Whitmore are happy, healthy kids. There is no abuse going on. There is no brainwashing going on. You are really hurting the other students and their families. They are really happy with what they have. Why can't you leave all of us alone and let us, as parents, make our own decisions.
Maybe it wasn't good for you, but there are alot of good facilities out there that can help Zita. This one just seems to be helping my child and my family. Please stop.
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Speaking of teaching, maybe you can finally[/b] answer this question for me. Are there accredited teachers at Whitmore?. It would be great if you could give me a clear answer on this.In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
--Martin Luther King
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On 2005-03-04 13:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
Mrs. Harris, I would like to see a copy of the police report filed that night you took Zita from the school. How might I get that?
Why don't you do what has been suggested here before and call the Nephi police department and ask them?Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Oh, they won't give it out to anybody not directly involved in the situation. No PD will do that, especially where minors are concerned. So that leaves Cheryl and Mark or the Harrises as sources for the report.
I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure.
--Clarence Darrow, American lawyer
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Sooo, how can we get a copy of the police report? Can Joyce Harris supply that for us? Are you sure they are not public record?
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Well, I suppose you coulc call Nephi PD and ask them. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure those reports are not public.
Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind...it doesn't matter!
-- Chuck Gauran
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On 2005-03-04 13:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
The children at Whitmore are happy, healthy kids. There is no abuse going on. There is no brainwashing going on.
Really? Well then can you explain this?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=35&22 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8109&forum=35&22)The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher
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First of all: IT IS NOT A POLICE REPORT
We asked Officer Wright who was on duty to accompany us to Whitmore Academy to pick up our daughter as dircted by the Attorney General's Officer prior to us flying to Utah.
It is formally called:
"A Keep the Peace Report"
And that is all we were doing.
We knew that a big outlandish incident had occured when another student was removed the prior day when the Sudweeks allowing the kids to call the police officiers "F....King Pigs" and another student was out in the yard having some type of seizures, that it is reported he has when his anger gets out of control.
So, we THOUGHT that showing up at 2AM would assure that the kids would be sleeping, and we could simply pick up our daughter and leave.
But, kids were up throughout the house, so there was so problem about waking anyone up.
No one was hit, pushed, or anything.
Anything said to the contrary is a lie.
I said before: I will not release the incident report. Let the Sudweeks release it. It just verifies that everything they have said about me is lies. My attorney likes collecting these lies. The important facts of the report have already been reported by ISAC under the topic, THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
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To the Parent who just visited Whitmore:
Why didn't you ask the Sudweeks to see this police "Keep the Peace Report" if you are so interested in it?
Or, why didn't you step over to the Nephi Police Dept. and chat with them?
As far as me "starting a campaign against the Sudweeks" I was sitting in Texas minding my own business when I received a phone call telling me these fine people were being investigated for child abuse against a 14 year old boy in their care. So, I don't really believe I started anything.
And I most certainly do not think I have the power to go around destroying anyone. If I am just a "big old liar and trouble maker" then I guess the Sudweeks just don't have a thing to worry about, then do they?
I don't even know Joey--so I certainly had nothing to do with this boy's accusations of abuse. I do not know, and have never spoken to the other students who are giving evidence against the Sudweeks.
So, I am not a Campaign Leader--and until your statement, I was unaware that there was a "campaign against the Sudweeks" out there.
My My---sounds like a bit of paranoia working here to me, people.
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To the Whitmore Parent who just visited the Whitmore:
I HEARD that you and your husband abuse your kid all the time! Why do you do that to that innocent kid who does not deserve that?
Now how does that feel coming from a person who does not even know you?
Well, that's exactly how it feels to me and my husband.
What a stupid question from a stupid person!
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The report can be issued to direct parties involved, according to Tina at the Nephi Police Department: The Harris's and the Sudweeks's.
Have your friends, the Sudweeks, let you read theirs; but then they will have to admit to you that they are liars. Can't have that can we?
We supplied ISAC a copy, so Ms. Shelby Earnhardt could print her reply to Mark Sudweeks' lie about me. Thank you very much.
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Cayo Hueso keeps asking about the teachers at Whitmore. The Sudweeks provide a Staff Sheet complete with photos, and the "teachers" are listed by first names only. NONE ARE CERTIFIED TEACHERS!!!, but here is the list, and notations on each of them: Last names provided (if known).
Tom Hudson the Administrator is suppose to have proper credentials.
Mark Sudweeks PE
Cheryl Sudweeks Dance
Venice Home Eco Marks elderly Mom
Tom Hudson Administration-he has degree
Anna Horsemanship
John He only rented a room before
Susan Administration
Callie English/History--she meets at
the Library..no classroom tho
Pam Music/Piano
Darlene Home Eco--Sudweeks Former
Foster child. Lives in Salt
Lake City.
Ben McQuivy Martial Arts
Jeff Aviation Science-Sudweek son-
in-law
Trinity Horsemanship-Sudweek daughter
Laeysa Horsemanship-Sudweek daughter
Age 17
Shayla Horsemanship-Sudweek daughter
Lives in Logan, Utah
Verne Carpentry- renovating School
house
Terry Mechanics
Bernie Counselor
Eddie Proctor- former student
Torie Proctor - former student
There is the list. The only "core subject" listed is English/History....and students say Callie meets them at the Library and "helps them," whatever that means.
This is the staff list that is provided to the parents of Whitmore on the web site, printed on 3-4-05.
Sounds more like a Trade School..IF these are actually REAL teachers actually teaching these "subjects."
Mostly Sudweek relatives, and one a minor. Some living in towns very far from Nephi---not logical they would actually come that far to work.
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And Whitmore Academy has a Big Graduation coming up in May----GO FIGURE!
Ask some of the former Whitmore Graduates how many of them had to take the GED to go on to college?
Or how many had to go home and repeat a the year in school they "missed while at Whitmore."
It is a shame.
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I can't believe that there isn't at least one class on some type of "Character Development" or
maybe SOMETHING along the line of religion offered. Wonder why?
Just trade school stuff.
Avaiation Science????? Come on!
And a teenager? But she is a Sudweek daughter.
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Struggling teens aren't stupid and certainly do not deserve to be shortchanged on their education nor their so-called "therapy".
Something is really wrong with this picture and I feel terrible for the children who are the ones paying for the nice homes and cars of program owners and also the people who make a living referring desperate parents to them.
It's truly revolting.
IMO
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The Sudweeks no longer have a license for therapy at Whtimore, and it appears the education is a sham. Just what ARE these parents paying for?
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just to clear everthing up about me Leah, first of all i never sent mark adn cheryl a bill for anything, i could because a lot of my stuff is still there but no i didnt. Also yes it is a bad place but i knew that i couldnt do anything about getting the girls out of the program, so i took them back, and i know from experience that the longer you are gone (run aways) from the whitmore the more anger builds up, it had only been a few hours and i didnt think that would be in that much trouble. And if the whitmore isnt a bad place then answer me this, WHY DID TWO GIRLS RUN AWAY? not to mention one had already been there 1 1/2 years and the other over 8 months.
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I am the new member, and I am not there to keep the Sudweeks posted. I was invited by another member. I will say that I have nothing to hide from the Sudweeks because I support them completely. It doesn't matter what anyone says; those of us who have children who were saved by the Sudweeks know all we need to know.
I cannot speak for the Sudweeks, but I'm sure they don't need reports from me regarding the parents' group. We all support them and they know it. End of story.
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They run away because that's what troubled teens do. Do you not know this after having a troubled teen yourself? 99% of the kids at The Whitmore will tell you that they ran away from perfectly good parents. They were fighting their own demons - not bad parenting. The same goes for The Whitmore. You only have to think back to why the kids go to The Whitmore in the first place to find your answer. They can't heal everybody and they make it perfectly clear that there are no guarantees. It's sad when some don't do as well as others, but it doesn't mean it's The Whitmore's fault. It means the child has not healed yet. Some journeys are longer than others. Quit looking for simple answers and blame. You'll only shortchange yourself.
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Is your child home yet?
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The means does not justify the end.
One girl ran away because she was afraid of what was going to happen to her when she was caught sending an e-mail to her mother telling her she wanted to come home. She had been there well over a year at the time. Someone posted on this site that she was caught sending an e-mail to an "inappropriate" person. Her mother?????
When she was returned to the Whitmore, she was beat up for running away. Is that what you want to happen to your child? It doesn't matter why troubled teens runaway, how you deal with them when they do does. That's the issue.
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Not only home, but happy, and healthy, and forever grateful to the Sudweeks.
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On 2005-03-07 17:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
I will say that I have nothing to hide from the Sudweeks because I support them completely.
And if you didn't support the Sudweeks 100%, would you feel the need to hide it?
That's the million dollar question here. Why is this such an "us against them" thing? What's with the rumors of the police, Mexicans, former students and parents all out to get them? Doesn't that seem a little fishy to you?
BTW, how did you hear about Whitmore in the first place? Peace and abstinence from European interferences are our objects, and so will continue while the present order of things in America remain uninterrupted.
--Thomas Jefferson
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The girl who ran away, Hannah-the only reason the person she was calling was considered
"inappropriate" was because the Sudweeks decided that she couldn't call them.
And lots of people never get their things back if they don't leave on the Sudweek's terms.
Ginger asks good questions:
According to the Sudweeks, the Nephi Police are liars and are OUT TO GET THEM.
The citizens of Mexico kill their horses, and want to hurt them too. Any former students and their parents that speak against them, ARE THE ENEMY AND ARE OUT TO DESTROY THEM. Now just why is the whole world against such wonderful, loving caring people? Might the Sudweeks be the "little drummer couple that is out of step with the rest of the world?" Ever hear that song?
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Ginger, a person does not have to "hide it if they are not supporters of the Sudweeks."
But public non-supporters of the Sudweeks do have to be prepared for a few things, like being called horrific, slanderous names in public by "the Sudweek supporters" who don't even have the nerve to use THEIR names publicly, but you know what they say about "stick and stones....."
Sudweeks Non-Supports have to receive phone calls from rather scary people like Ben McQuivey-- a friend of the Sudweeks, and the Karate "teacher" at Whitmore. Wonder how HE got our home telephone number to call and bother us on a Saturday night? And WHY? But the Nephi Police Department helped us out there, and he hasn't called back.
And we did have our computer "hacked into" and that was rather frightening, AND expensive to get correct! WHOEVER did that sent a bunch of emails "FROM ME" to a Whitmore parent (at least one that I know of)...and accused ME of breaking into to Whitmore computer system and other accusations. Perhaps they just needed me offline awhile. It did take hours and hours to fix it all. But we have a secure system now, just never knew I needed all that before.
Non-Supporters of the Sudweeks have to be able to face the scrutiny of accusations of being a child abuser, child molester themeselves--because that happens to deflect the allegations the Sudweeks are facing.
Why, I have even been accused of trying to seduce Cheryl's husband--Mark Sudweeks, with "sexy photographs of myself" which he LIED ABOUT--I never sent this man any picture of myself---and IT IS SAID he shared with minor children at Whitmore.
Non-Supporters must defend themselves against many lies: It has been report that I have been RECENTLY fired from my job (I haven't had a job since 1997--but guess than FACT doesn't matter). And I suppose everyone has read the topic THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL, where Mark Sudweeks lied about me and the Nephi Police Dept, and the non-existing police "report."
So Ginger, you don't have to HIDE being a non-supporter of the Sudweeks, but you do have to be prepared for a lot of things!
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Many of the kids placed at Whitmore were and are abused. I am glad your child came away from the experience "apparently" okay. Or maybe you haven't really heard what goes on there. Did your child get the education promised? Did your child get consistent one-on-one therapy? Did your child get "group therapy" led by a "licenced professional?" Did your child get the travel experience to Canada and Mexico? Did your child get "equine therapy" with someone qualified in that area? Did your child get three meals a day?
These are the things the Sudweeks say they offer. None are true. Plain and simple -- fraud!! We paid for something that we did not get. And we certainly did not pay for abuse, in any way, shape or form. If it only happens to one child out of 100, it is still wrong. I don't understand why you support anyone, regardless of how your child appears to have been affected, when others have been abused under their care.
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People who support the Sudweeks say "there was no abuse at Whitmore--one poster even said something to the effect, there were no broken bones, or blood all over, and even went so far as to imply parents should be happy our kids got "out Whitmore alive."
Many people may need to understand just what abuse is, and just what kinds of behaviors are JUST NOT OK.
IT is not OK for Cheryl Sudweeks to spit in a student's face--that is abuse!
It is not OK for Cheryl Sudweeks to curse a student, and call her sexual names like "slut, whore," or racial slurs like "nigger" or "sand nigger"--that is abuse.
It is not OK for either Sudweeks to inappropriately touch any student on any private part of their body; or to talk to them about sexually inappropriate things--that is abuse.
It is not OK for either Sudweeks to order one student to beat up another student--that is abuse.
It is not OK to force students to watch another student who is tied and gagged being beat by a group of students who were ordered to beat this boy by Cheryl Sudweeks--just being made to observe this event is abuse.
It is not OK to punish minor children by Cheryl Sudweeks refuses to let a child eat a regular meal, and forces this hungry child to watch the other kids eat--that is abuse.
It is not OK for Cheryl Sudweeks to physically punch, or slap, or hit a kid with any object--that is abuse.
These are just a few examples. And no bones were probably broken, and no one probably bled all over the place, and everyone lived through it---but it is and WAS ABUSE, and everyone needs to stop dancing around the issue, and say exactly what these people did to their child--- while they were suppose to be offering a quality education and professional therapy in what the person who referred us there, Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E. assured us were loving, Christian, caring owners, THE SUDWEEKS!
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I think a simpler question would be:
Did anyone wind up at Whitmore Academy who WAS NOT referred there by Sue Scheff's organization, P.U.R.E.?
That would make for a very very short list, or not list at all, I bet.