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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Marti on October 15, 2002, 09:25:00 PM
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K , guess Ill start.
I remember in group acting up. You know like crossing my legs or not paying attention. Next thing I know I had eight or ten girls sitting on every part of my body while I lay on cement floor for hours.It was extrememly painful when they finally got up.
I also remember acting up in the new Gandy building and writing 98 rock on my shoe. It ticked Miller Newton off so much that he came over two pews to get to me and then he picked me up by my shirt, kicked my legs out from under me breaking one of my legs.
Theres ton more where that came from
Margaret Heath
Morgan Yacht 1979-1982
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Tell me,where does he live?
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He needs a security guard nowadays to protect him from the tens of thousands he directly or indirectly tortured....gee, imagine that....
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pot ... -1503.html (http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-1503.html)
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He lives in Mederia Beach (or Medera?)
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Madeira Beach... such a nice part of the coast to have such a foul thing upon it's sand...
Bill
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i don't know why i want to know i guess because i was almost there- tell me what else happened how in the hell did he pull off getting away with breaking your leg? what did he do? how did he explain it to people? i really want to see these people in trouble of some sort- brought to justice at some point in the near future like these child abusing perverted "priests" sounds like this guy is no better and niether is any of the other staff-(i was a sibling in straight inc..)
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How did he explain it? Easy! The druggiekid, driven to hysteria by her unfulfiled craving for drugs, hurt herself by getting violent and requiring restraint! Did you ever see a misbehavor during open meeting? I did, at Straight and at The seed. It went something like this from the pov of someone 'paying attention' in group on the parents' or clients' side of the room:
First, you hear a disturbance, maybe some yelling, along with the scuffle of one kid being subdued physically by a few others. By the time you turn to look, the kid is on the floor with someone's hand over their mouth or being dragged off to another room by a few kids.
The staff in charge takes the mic and says something like "Well, unfortunately Joe thinks it's OK to try and hurt his fellow group members. But we won't let Joe hurt himself or anyone else cuz we luv him. Right Group?"
(Group, in unison with what sounds like real entheusiasm) "Right, Chris!"
(Staff) "Ok, now let's get back to getting straight!" And the mic goes back to whoever had it, our attention is quickly diverted to the mechanations of the Open Meeting ritual before we've had time to process or digest the disparity between what we just saw and heard and what we were told we saw and heard.
Stewball, this is what brainwashing is all about. They get away with it because the majority of witnesses are either scared shitless of having their own leg broken or they sincerely believe that Marti broke her own leg through her selfish, stubborn and irrational refusal to get with the Program. Never mind that she was a little kid who'd never even seen a really addictive drug outside of her dad's liquor cabinet. And never mind the ugly, sadistic little bastard behind the curtain. We're too busy getting Straight to think about anything else!!! Zippety Fuckin' Dooh Dah! Let's have another song!!
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Antigen wrote: "Did you ever see a misbehavor during open meeting?"
Man does that bring back some memories...I mean your whole description of that...I remember the sound of the chairs sliding and breaking apart from each other when someone started acting up...the hands over the mouth, etc...Now what I'm wondering is THIS: To what extent did staff go to cover up these injuries??__Ok, there was this kid who I'll call Kevin Grimes and this other guy who we can refer to as Carl Palumbo. Carl broke Kevin's ribs & it was probably, oh, sometime in late 82 or maybe early 83. Anyway, I was IN then and didn't hear about it until I READ ABOUT IT HERE! So what would they (staff) do? Let's look at this for a minute...ok let's say Joe misbehaver's leg gets broken. What now? Whay do they say to us? Can anyone remember incidents like this? I hope that someone can remember something...how would they cover up what happened? Besides cutting out the victims tongue or killing them outright, how in the hell would they keep him/her from speaking up??!?
- froderik13
[ This Message was edited by: AlexL on 2002-12-01 08:23 ]
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Speaking of Kevin Gr*mes, didn't he get his jaw busted in the bathroom when a bunch of bigger guys were incited to beat him up in there? I remember him with a "dunce cap" on his head sitting on top of a ladder staff had brought into group. Must have been late 82 or 83.
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How'd they cover it up? Easy! We didn't talk about it. If the injured party complained, they were just faking, trying to manipulate. In the rare event that someone actually got medical attention, we fall back on "It was an unfortunate accident that occured during a restraint necesitated by the injured victim's insistence on 'acting out' in a way that might be harmfrul to himself or others. We all know how violent, irrational and self destructive druggies are, don't we Group?!"
I almost couldn't believe that my dad didn't pull me after he saw me with a broken nose and two beautiful shiners in open meeting. They put me back a couple of rows, as I recall. But he spotted me anyway and looked pretty shocked. I hadn't been in a fight since I was 8 years old.
But, aparently, he bought the story that, due to temporary insnity brought on by marijuana withdrawal together with self hatred from having to face the reality of what a worthless, dispicable human being I was without the mollifying effects of drugs, that I'd attacked another client (or 5??) and required physical restraint.
Suspended disbelief is a funny thing. What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
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str8isabuse - I don't know who you are, but thanks! I remember (vaguely - but I remember now!) Kevin sitting on top of the ladder with the dunce cap on...I don't know about him having his jaw busted (maybe someone else does...) but there are other posts somewhere on this site about him getting his ribs broken and Carl Palumbo bragging about it in his host home. Anyone with memories of abusive events such as these should definitely SWEAR OUT AN AFFIDAVIT if that is something that they're up to doing...
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"Anyone with memories of abusive events such as these..."
Well, since the jury seems to be eternally out concerning the affidavit thing, would anyone with memories of abusive events such as these PLEASE POST HERE!! It's amazing what a memory jogger that 'dunce cap' post was...I had completely buried that memory...
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:smokin: MG8
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MG8 wrote: "Do you remember someone named Michele Dyer? Her mom was/is a realtor in Springfield."
Yeah, Bill...I remember the name, but can remember no face (yet) - Anyway, so her mom could know something or have access to MLS records possibly, eh? - Alex
PS - Anybody from the Baltimore metro area going to the Bonfire that I could hook up with for a ride? Diane? Anybody?
[ This Message was edited by: AlexL on 2002-12-13 07:49 ]
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i remember Peggy Hurl*y was put on a peanut butter diet for over a month. one day, she snuck a piece of food off somebody else's paper plate as it was being passed down the row after supper, and people sitting around her reported her to a fifth phaser. she was stood up and confronted mercilessly. she was thin to begin with and had already lost weight, and looked so pale and miserable.
i remember down in st. pete in 82, there was a guy who had a sister who was brought into the program as a sibling. her name was kim, and they both came to va. most days, there were at least 1 to 3 people getting sat on in the back of group, at all times. i remember during the meals we would have to file past them. i tried to avert my eyes because it was so sickening to see the faces of these poor kids/young adult. i remember this guy's face so clearly... it was pale, mottled blue/gray, beaded with sweat, and there was a SOCK shoved into his mouth!!!!! five or six guys were sitting on him. i thought i was going to faint as i walked by, very conscious of the hand of the oldcomer inside the back of my pants. i knew i could be on the concrete with five big girls on top of me in two seconds if i resisted in any way.
after i was started over, i was screamed at mercilessly in group and sent home with oldcomers who were instructed by staff, and clearly were happy to comply, to "ride my ass". they did. i was given "consequences" of not being permitted to look at my own reflection in a mirror, a windowpane, a toaster, a spoon, you name it, i got confronted over it. this was because i was "so vain". they wouldn't let me shave my legs. i couldn't have cared less, but it crushed my self-esteem (and i still remember it)to be confronted and told how ugly i was. i had guys and girls screaming that i was ugly and even my own parents didn't want me.
let's have a song.
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Thanks for posting this. I remember the name "Peggy Hurly" well. And that's the 1st time that I've heard her mentioned since coming to these boards. I can't picture her, but if I saw a photo, I'd remember her. The guy being sat on was probably (if you don't already know this) Jeff Pokorney. He had a sister named Kim...
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The guy being sat on was probably (if you don't already know this) Jeff Pokorney. He had a sister named Kim...
Didn't Jeff go home one night and force himself to ingest a disposable razor?
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Didn't Jeff go home one night and force himself to ingest a disposable razor?
If this happened in VA, it happened before I came in the program, (i.e. 11-6-82) or I just don't remember it.
Rich, Do you remember a guy from the mayflower group named Billy Jory? (Dark brown/black wavy hair) He was the only other kid from the Baltimore area in there at that time...
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I remember the name vividly. The face not so clear. He was there during my confinement.
Rich
In NJ :eek:
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Hi Rich, I remember being a sardine there at GULAG5515. I have posted about that day before as I can still feel the cold wet "everyone else's sweat" drenched jeans I had on sitting in a quarter inch deep puddle of fuckin condensation. That was led I believe by SCOTT Prophett. Scott was a mean MO FO, for sure. I have some of his office memos here on file that prove it! I think he broke his back working a few years ago and that's about all I know about him now. Sardine room, wow, I had not heard anyone say anything about that day till you did. Thank you for being here. I was a bigger one too, so I restrained a dude named Paul A. We met again about 6 years ago, and then once more last summer, no problems, he is "over it" so to speak and wants nothing to do with the memories of that place. I got set back because I wrote a poem about him. Deany Mistretta was in on that one. Open meeting review. :smokin:
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:eek: The fucked up part was that we all seemed to think it was like a right of passage or something. :eek:
I guess it was another example of how Straight taught us to brainwash our selves. Once it got in my head all the freakish social more' became ok. I really think that is the part that was the and is the hardest to put down.
Rich :em:
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abuse is a word that is just under abundant,
and ain't it the truth?
both va programs were based on some former
hay day of the "round the world" or 4 corners"
or "bomb squad " sessions if i recall that were
the best way to get out of group, right?
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abuse is a word that is just under abundant,
and ain't it the truth?
both va programs were based on some former
hay day of the "round the world" or 4 corners"
or "bomb squad " sessions if i recall that were
the best way to get out of group, right?
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I CAN ONLY SAY THAT JUST RECENTLY HAVE I BEEN ABLE TO OPEN UP AND TELL MY MOM ALL THE HORRIFIC SHIT THAT WENT ON AT STRAIGHT. I WAS THERE FOR ONLY A FEW MONTHS BUT THAT WAS ENOUGH TO CHANGE MY LIFE FOREVER. I WAS MADE TO FEEL LIKE A WAS WOTHLESS, USELESS, PIECE OF SHIT DRUGGIE AND MIND YOU THAT I NEVER EVEN DID DRUGS. BUT AFTER GETTING OUT I DID START DOING DRUGS BECAUSE I WAS BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING I WAS A DRUGGIE FOR ALL THAT TIME SO I FIGURED FUCK IT MY LIFE IS A COMPLETE WASTE ANYWAYS. I WAS DIAGNOSED AS A KID WITH ADD/ADHD SO YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE ALL THE SHIT THEY PUT ME THROUGH. I HAD TO BE TAKEN TO THE E.R. BECAUSE I WAS KICKED SOOOO HARD THAT I ACTUALLY STARTED TO SHIT BLOOD. DO YOU THINK MY MOM WAS EVER NOTIFIED? NOT ::jawdrop:: I WAS LIKE YEAH RIGHT WHAT COULD BE WORSE THAN THIS PLACE BECAUSE ANIMALS AND GOD DAMNED CRIMINALS HAD A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT MORE RIGHTS THAN WE DID. I NEVER TOLD MY MOM ABOUT THE SHIT THAT WENT ON THERE BECAUSE IT JUST HURT ME TOO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT IT AND I ENDED UP HATING MY MOM AND HOLDING THIS MAJOR GRUDGE AGAINST HER FOR ALMOST 14 YEARS NOW. IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET IT OUT BUT I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER NOW THAT I HAVE. MY MOM AND I STILL HAVE OUR MOMENTS BUT WE ARE FINALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DESCENT REALTIONSHIP AGAIN. :question:
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Don't apologize for anything Heather. This forum (straight testimony) is for "life stories", so to speak. I hope you'll post again. It's good that you've been able to resolve things with your mom. Some parents were clueless, and some would have been willling to believe straight if they had told them that the sky is green. Nothing wrong with long posts. One request: please don't post in ALL CAPS...(unless you're yelling at someone in particular, lol)
Take care, FR13
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[ This Message was edited by: jnloar on 2005-01-14 10:49 ]
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Wow. I think I blocked alot of stuff out of my head. I think I tried to justify the whole thing off to myself. And people wonder whats been eating at me all my life.
Blue chairs...heh.
Was in Straight Dallas in 1988.
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jnloar I tried to e mail you and link didint work.
I think we may probably know each other judging from the date and location.
We both were in there for full year together.
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This might bring back some memories.
http://mpcourtdocuments.netfirms.com/thejoint.htm (http://mpcourtdocuments.netfirms.com/thejoint.htm)
You know, too many weirdos out there. At least with you people I know WHY you are weird!!!
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
[Sorry, forgot to drop the load.]
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2003-12-28 19:37 ]
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.
--- Anon
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Shut up.
A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace.
James Madison, The Federalist No. 46
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I have no idea why you feel you have any right to make a comment about what happened to people in Straight. If I remember correctly and by your title, you were a counselor at SAFE, NOT Straight. I tolerated you on the Safe site because I was not in that program and even though we disagreed, there seemed to be mutual understanding that perhaps the programs were different. Now you are on my turf and it is offensive and rude for you to discount what DID happen in Straight. You owe every single survivor of Straight a sincere apology. There are years of documented abuse and testimony from many, many survivors and their parents. I don't know what you are trying to prove but kindly keep it where it belongs....preferably stuffed back up your trap but at the very least, off this site of people trying to heal from the very real abuse they did suffer in Straight.
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I remember being ripped on and confronted endlessly for not restraining other girls. I was one of the biggest girls in my group.(Cincinnati 1984 or 1985) I was confronted for not caring about a girl by not restraining her. I was on 1st phase ::mecry:: ::mecry:: And to the gal that passed out, you copped out and I'm glad you did.
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I was in Straight, Dallas right after it first opened up. I don't think the abuse was that bad at first. At least, I really don't remember it. The thing I do remember is them harboring criminals, I mean serious criminals. What's up with that? Does anyone remember when the cops came in to question a phaser about a murder?
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i think you were on staff during the last days i was at straight...not sure, but i think it was you.....thank you for the apologies, even though now i understand why the staff, at least in dallas, were the way they were...it took a very long time, but now i understand that yall went through the same hell we did, except maybe worse... :scared: :scared: :scared:
i hope life is treating you well, and good luck to you
lisa
dallas 91'
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On 2003-12-28 19:30:00, Antigen wrote:
"This might bring back some memories.
http://mpcourtdocuments.netfirms.com/thejoint.htm (http://mpcourtdocuments.netfirms.com/thejoint.htm)
Wow, scary reading!Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers.
--Thomas Hodgskin
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Anyone remember this Black Flag tune:
REVENGE
It's not my imagination
I've got a gun on my back!
Promises you made
Never become fact
We're gonna get revenge
You won't know what hit you
We're tired of being screwed
Don't tell me about tomorrow
Don't tell me what I'll get
I can't think of progress when
Just around the corner
There's a bed of cold pavement
Waiting for me
Revenge!
I'll watch you bleed
Revenge!
That's all I'll need
I won't cry if you- die! DIE!
We're gonna get revenge
You won't know what hit you
We're tired of being screwed
Revenge!
REVENGE!!!
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I remember being in the springfield straight 88-89 and having several girls brought in one a sibling who had never done drugs and being kept until they finally let her go. Another a tiny tiny 11 year old brought in for sniffing hairspray and the worst one was a little girl from delaware no drug history but emotional problems that was so abused in there at the time that by the time she became my newcomer she had been shoving pieces of barrets and razors and any other sharp object she could find in side herslef to try and kill herself to get out. She ended up with a serious infection and was finally released to a mental hospital. I remember explaining the teeth marks to my parents and them blowing me off I remember the black eyes and bald spots on my head for some reason me being small I was a prime target when people acted out.
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On 2002-11-27 14:46:00, Antigen wrote:
"How did he explain it? Easy! The druggiekid, driven to hysteria by her unfulfiled craving for drugs, hurt herself by getting violent and requiring restraint! Did you ever see a misbehavor during open meeting? I did, at Straight and at The seed. It went something like this from the pov of someone 'paying attention' in group on the parents' or clients' side of the room:
First, you hear a disturbance, maybe some yelling, along with the scuffle of one kid being subdued physically by a few others. By the time you turn to look, the kid is on the floor with someone's hand over their mouth or being dragged off to another room by a few kids.
The staff in charge takes the mic and says something like "Well, unfortunately Joe thinks it's OK to try and hurt his fellow group members. But we won't let Joe hurt himself or anyone else cuz we luv him. Right Group?"
(Group, in unison with what sounds like real entheusiasm) "Right, Chris!"
(Staff) "Ok, now let's get back to getting straight!" And the mic goes back to whoever had it, our attention is quickly diverted to the mechanations of the Open Meeting ritual before we've had time to process or digest the disparity between what we just saw and heard and what we were told we saw and heard.
Stewball, this is what brainwashing is all about. They get away with it because the majority of witnesses are either scared shitless of having their own leg broken or they sincerely believe that Marti broke her own leg through her selfish, stubborn and irrational refusal to get with the Program. Never mind that she was a little kid who'd never even seen a really addictive drug outside of her dad's liquor cabinet. And never mind the ugly, sadistic little bastard behind the curtain. We're too busy getting Straight to think about anything else!!! Zippety Fuckin' Dooh Dah! Let's have another song!!
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Wow, what an accurate description. I sure hope you plan on writing a book, Ginger. You really are a great describer of things. It's been a long time since I?ve sifted through these threads, but for some reason, getting back in touch has been a good thing lately. It puts me through how wrong it was all over again. I still can?t talk about it the way you can.
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Thanks!
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
--Albert Einstein
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when did straight dallas open? i went in 1/87 with my sister, our brother was already there...all in the family :smile:
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Originally posted by Jen Loar:
"I think it all started with Clayton Williams. Then they got some of the wealthy families here in The Park Cities addicted to that place. Casy Aldridge was one, David Tompkins, Lacy Carlson. I cannot remember them all but for a while HP kids were getting put into Straight like mad."
My intake was fall/winter 1986. I don't remember the exact date, but I do know that all those people were commencing or staff trainees and about to commence.
Sherri and Cameron Riley opened the doors of Dallas/Richardson in 1986 from St. Petersburg, FL.
I don't remember the Director's name. Mr. Deredorf, I think.Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-- Albert Einstein
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PLEASE POST your stories about Straight, Inc at http://www.ripoffreport.com (http://www.ripoffreport.com). I really think it is a good forum to expose the shady facilities like Straight and potentially keep other kids out of them. I was so shocked to find no reports on these type of facilities at that site!