Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
Someone tell me HOW long this site has been in existance, AND measurable accomplishments that it has provoked! (Please don't list "survivors being able to tell their story", as one). Looking for HOW many programs have CLOSED, etc.
Anyone know? Willing to LIST?
Post by: Cayo Hueso on February 28, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
Totalitarianism is like a specter which drinks the blood of the living and so achieves reality, while the victims go on existing as a mass of living corpses.
Karl Jaspers, The Fight Against Totalitarianism (1963)
Post by: Antigen on February 28, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
I just take it for granted that advertising works. Each and every time the Ad Council advises so many millions of viewers to panic if they suspect their kid might have smoked a joint that some number of suckers fall for it. I try to counter that as best I can w/o missing out on living my own life and enjoying my own kids.
If you think it's not worth the effort or you require proof before you invest any effort, then go your way and be well w/ all my best wishes.
Wicked men obey from fear, good men from love.
--Aristotle
Post by: Antigen on February 28, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
So now, when you google Sembler or Straight, Inc. or Miller Newton or any of a long list of other keywords, you get a pretty good representation of the other side of the story. Journalists and layers have used these resources to locate interviews and wittnesses. And it's not uncommon at all to hear from a parent or two who found the other side of the story here while researching a program for their own kid. I expect the other website hosts have the same experience.
Virgil has been busted out to several employers for his shady past by ppl who came together right in these forums. I can't take credit for that, of course. I never even bothered to show up. But I think it was helpful to host these sites so that people who want to look into this weird little history of ours can find each other, compare notes and do with it whatever they will.
Now, all that said, I'm one of those radical, intemperate, provocative people who makes comparisons between the drug warriors and the Nazis. I think it's valid. I also think I'd rather never see any defining moment or retribution than to see things end the way they did for the Nazis. Misguided and cruel as they may be, what happens to them happens to the country that I love. I'm happy w/ gradual change through reason. The alternatives are just unthinkable at this point.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
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Post by: RTP2003 on February 28, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
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I'm one of those radical, intemperate, provocative people who makes comparisons between the drug warriors and the Nazis.
Now why do you want to slander Nazis like that, Ginger?
KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!! REALLY! IT'S A FUCKING JOKE!! LIGHTEN UP!!
Post by: Ruth Ann Newton on February 28, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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On 2005-02-28 12:03:00, RTP2003 wrote:
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I'm one of those radical, intemperate, provocative people who makes comparisons between the drug warriors and the Nazis.
Now why do you want to slander Nazis like that, Ginger?
KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!! REALLY! IT'S A FUCKING JOKE!! LIGHTEN UP!!"
Hitler had the right idea about harnessing the youth. Give us all the youth on blue chairs in the new faith-based Straight, Inc.-by-the-Sea (formerly Straight, Inc. v2.0). and we'll make the world right!!!
Post by: Dr. Miller Newton on February 28, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
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On 2005-02-28 12:26:00, Ruth Ann Newton wrote:
Hitler had the right idea about harnessing the youth. Give us all the youth on blue chairs in the new faith-based Straight, Inc.-by-the-Sea (formerly Straight, Inc. v2.0). and we'll make the world right!!!
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Right you are, my dear. Why don't these druggies ever think about the positive aspects of Fascism? I think that Straight, Inc.-by-the-Sea will prove to be a model community--one that can be used as a prototype for the society of tomarrow. See you in the Brave New World, druggies! Love ya!
Post by: Ruth Ann Newton on February 28, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
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On 2005-02-28 11:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok,
Someone tell me HOW long this site has been in existance, AND measurable accomplishments that it has provoked! (Please don't list "survivors being able to tell their story", as one). Looking for HOW many programs have CLOSED, etc.
Anyone know? Willing to LIST?
"
It doesn't matter how many of our beloved programs you shut down. We've got the new faith-based Straight, Inc.-by-the-Sea (formerly Straight, Inc. v2.0) right here in our own neighborhood. We'll see ALL OF YOU back in those blue chairs where you belong. You'll be here and you'll LIKE it!!
Where's your gratitude? :flame:
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2005, 08:05:00 PM
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On 2005-02-28 11:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok,
Someone tell me measurable accomplishments that this site has provoked!
I fucked Betty Sembler and Ruthie after I met them through this site.
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2005, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2005, 10:57:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: Cayo Hueso on March 01, 2005, 12:04:00 AM
Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived.
--Oscar Wilde
Post by: thepatriot on March 01, 2005, 09:55:00 AM
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On 2005-02-28 17:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-02-28 11:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok,
Someone tell me measurable accomplishments that this site has provoked!
I fucked Betty Sembler and Ruthie after I met them through this site."
Juvenile comments like this is why nobody outside of any survivors take this site seriously. Its one thing to do a little trolling and have some fune, but this is down right childish.
Post by: ehm on March 01, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
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On 2005-02-28 19:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
" So, as I thought. Not much accomplished except immature teenagers acting out Mr/Ms Miller. whopee :roll: "
There actually are some very informative, very insightful, factual testimonies, and supportive people here. You just have to weed them out with a fine tooth comb. Basically, if you want some answers, you'll find them, but you have to look for them. If you want sheer and utter emotional instability and immaturity at 30 something and older, you'll find that more readily. The thing is, they really do go hand in hand. If you're considering putting your kid in a program, come visit some of the alumni sites to get a taste of how well these places work!
Post by: Carmel on March 01, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
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On 2005-02-28 11:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok,
Someone tell me HOW long this site has been in existance, AND measurable accomplishments that it has provoked! (Please don't list "survivors being able to tell their story", as one). Looking for HOW many programs have CLOSED, etc.
Anyone know? Willing to LIST?
"
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Something tells me that no answer will be satisfactory to you, Anon. The bottom line is that only your own opinion of what has been done for the good of the cause on this site will be, well...good. So why ask? Answer it yourself.
If you want hard facts, spend some time reading Wes' site thoroughly. Otherwise you are simply requesting that people voice opinions that you will never agree with, nor accept.
Keep it real, brother.
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
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On 2005-03-01 07:42:00, cult survivor wrote:
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On 2005-02-28 19:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
" So, as I thought. Not much accomplished except immature teenagers acting out Mr/Ms Miller. whopee :roll: "
There actually are some very informative, very insightful, factual testimonies, and supportive people here. You just have to weed them out with a fine tooth comb. Basically, if you want some answers, you'll find them, but you have to look for them. If you want sheer and utter emotional instability and immaturity at 30 something and older, you'll find that more readily. The thing is, they really do go hand in hand. If you're considering putting your kid in a program, come visit some of the alumni sites to get a taste of how well these places work! "
found this site a little while ago : http://www.LifeReunion.com (http://www.LifeReunion.com) why aren't they bitching about the program?
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
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found this site a little while ago : http://www.LifeReunion.com (http://www.LifeReunion.com) why aren't they bitching about the program?"
'cause they're still brainwashed. Give 'em some time.
Post by: Antigen on March 01, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
:wave:
The body of
Benjamin Franklin, printer,
(Like the cover of an old book,
Its contents worn out,
And scripts of it's lettering and gilding)
Lies Here, food for worms!
Yet the work itself shall not be lost,
For it will, as he believed, appear once more
In a new
And more beautiful edition,
Corrected and amended
By it's Author!
Epitaph for himself.
--Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790