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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
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San Bernardino County Sun
Suit hits private school
Father claims his teen daughter imprisoned
By IRMA LEMUS
Staff Writer
Saturday, February 19, 2005 - RUNNING SPRINGS - The father of a girl who attended a private school is suing its operators, alleging false imprisonment of his daughter, violation of her rights to liberty and privacy, and false advertisement among other complaints.
In the lawsuit served on Cedu School on Thursday, George Locker of New York says his and his 14-year-old daughter's rights were violated when school officials blocked contact between them.
The girl, then 13, attended Cedu's middle school program and lived on the campus near Lake Arrowhead from August 2003 to January 2004.
Monetary damages were not specified in the civil lawsuit, filed Sept. 20 in Los Angeles Superior Court.
"Cedu deceives parents,' Locker said during a telephone interview from his home. "It holds itself up as this wonderful place and it's not. It's a despicable place.'
Locker said his daughter's mail was read by Cedu employees, his weekly phone calls to his daughter were screened by school officials and he was not allowed to visit his daughter often.
School policy allows for one monthly parental visit but parents cannot visit the school unannounced, Locker said.
He added that his daughter was treated like a prisoner because her every move was controlled by school officials.
"She still has nightmares and becomes extremely sad when she remembers her time there," Locker said.
He said his daughter was placed at the school without his consent by his former wife.
George Condas, vice president of operations for Cedu, declined to comment, saying school officials cannot comment on ongoing lawsuits.
Cedu has campuses throughout the country. Its Web site advertises it as being an "emotional growth school.'
The school houses teenagers with problems, ranging from drug and alcohol addiction to depression. A year's tuition at Cedu can run up to $60,000. High-profile students have included Paris Hilton, who attended a Cedu school for two months in 1997.
Cedu received media attention last year when student Wayne Yuen ran away from the local campus. He is still missing and has been spotted in the San Diego area.
In addition, a girl told sheriff's detectives that two students repeatedly raped her during a six-month period while at the school. The case is being investigated.
Locker said Cedu School officials kept him from talking to his daughter.
"It's a horrible feeling,' Locker said, "It's like when you go down to the mall and you realize your child isn't there by your side, and you get that gut feeling, and all you want to do is find your child. That's how I felt for four and a half months.'
**** The daughter is me!!!
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soon other newspapers will be interested
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prisons are despicable places, have you ever been there? maybe you have, hopefully, in that case your dumbass couldn't vote, peace. think of all those that have given their lives in such a noble manner so that you and your rich parents can fuck up the world. open your eyes to the bigger picture.
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oh ya also members of this site have called into question many, many times the motivations/reliability of parents. who is to say that this parent in question that is raising allegations is any different, he/she could just be out to make a quick buck. you can write me off if you want but maybe you guys should start to think for yourselves and stop blaming the albeit flawed system. and yes albeit is a word buy a dictionary.
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There are just so many quicker, easier ways to make money. No, I doubt seriously that any parent is going to the trouble of suing anyone for abusing their kid just for the money.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
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Quicker, easier ways of making money than fraud? Like what, other than maybe selling crack, I can't think of any.
Oh, ya by the way dave barry is always right, huh?
I have met many a woman that would dive after flyball or a stray cock if it pays well, even if their own kid were at risk.
If you think cedu is so screwed up try pulling your head out of your ass and take a look at the world around you.
I think I have some hairy gum stuck to my pants, come suck it off for me I can't reach.
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Ask anybody who's actually ever tried to sue for any kind of abuse. It's not like ordering a pizza. It's a brutal process. You open yourself up to what is known as the discovery process. Take into account that the victims in these cases are kids w/ more than their fair share of credibility issues to begin w/ and you can begin to imagine what that might be like.
It sucks, quite frankly! I wouldn't recomend it to anyone unless they've carefully considered the process and all alternatives and still feel compelled to do it.
The cover story just doesn't wash, buddy. CEDU people talk out of both sides of their mouths. While they have the kids and parents under their control, they preach the party line that all bad things that happen to you are your fault and all good things that happen are due to your excellence at working the program.
Well CEDU is constantly being accused of abusing kids and defrauding their parents. But when it's their turn to get called out, they cry and whine and about the evil outsiders conspiring to take them down. :cry2:
Go cry on someone else's shoulder. If this guy and his daughter are willing to take CEDU to task, more power to them! It's not going to be easy, and I think they know that. But hopefully it'll do some good. Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them.
--Thomas Paine
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
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10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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ya, i'm crying boohoo. you are all a bunch of sissy whiners who can't deal with their own lives.
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On 2005-03-02 23:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ya, i'm crying boohoo. you are all a bunch of sissy whiners who can't deal with their own lives."
and all you do is come here and whine about us.
you seriously need to get a life.
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and you need to get an education
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cedu was supposed to give me one. so if you consider me uneducated, it's because cedu never delivered what they were paid for.
how typical.
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Lawsuits are a huge emotional, financial and time burden. But sometimes there is no other way.
Limits on phone calls, mail and visits at CEDU is unlawful in California. Period.
Kids have to be permitted a visit to CEDU before enrollment. Thus, use of escorts to enroll kids is prohibited. Period.
In February, CEDU was served with multiple violations by the state of California, Community Care Licensing Division, (which licenses CEDU).
CEDU will have to change its ways or CEDU's license will be revoked.
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once again only you are responsible for you, take it upon yourself to educate yourself. for example, all the best instruction in the world cannot make you a better skier, or teacher, or scientist, artist, you have to push your own limits. do the best with what you have. even though we had a library how many of you actually read a book from it.
goddamn it there is no use, you are lost i hope that maybe someday some one in your lives inspires you to do better than what you think you can.
i would like to know what specific law mandates to requirements you stated in that post, because your parents signed them all away when they enrolled you. no wonder you were sent you are still a self entitled brat.
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and you are a fool.
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The whole point is that parents cannot sign away rights guaranteed to the child by the state. Group Homes (CEDU is a group home) are highly regulated. Go to the website for California Community Care Licensing, see the regulations for Group Homes, 22 CCR 84072 "Personal Rights".
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yes do check it out because the section you quote clearly exempts residential children's facilities, actually section 80072. under eighteen? you don't have many rights, and the ones you do have your parents signed away for you. what do you think you are a lawyer? keep crying.
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http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/ord/CCRTitle22_715.htm (http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/ord/CCRTitle22_715.htm)
under "Group Homes", 1/05/05 Title 22, Div. 6, Chap 5, Art 6 (cont.) section 84072, the personal rights of children.
CEDU is a group home and in California kids in group homes have rights.
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good luck fighting that in any court even when i review the material you quote it is questionable, "authorized representatives" are the counselors that gave you a tour when you arrived, you have no idea what you are entitlted to, its not much. go ahead, sue the school the reason you don't is you know that you have no viable legal argument. all your arguments are easily discredited if you actually visit the documents you suggest with the exception of sexual allegation which should be invesigated without pride or prejudice.
disciplinary actions include but are not limited to restriction of use of entertainment devices including phones.
both violations you claim are provided for by california laws whether you agree or not.
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phone contact with parents cannot be taken away
under any circumstances
you seem determined to deny that kids at CEDU actually have legal rights - what motivates you?
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because the only thing that motivates people here is vengence. justice is not the motivation, which it should be. I am not convinced that any injustice was done to any of my peers while i was there and it would take some serious work including documention and research, both of these are seriously lacking. anytime a post is made about "rights" or a lawsuit, the documentaion is obviously biased. if you want to be respected you at least have to make the appearnce of being unbiased. this not to say your values can't drive your work. All i hear from some of you is dangerous almost vigilanteism. and not nearly enough of you admonish hateful speech, speech that will always discredit you whenever you use it, so don't be surprised when some one who gained something valuable in their life from these schools returns your hateful speech with equally offensive views that you find offensive.
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This site has absolutely nothing to do with justice. One group here is a mix of twenty-something-plus stoners who are still mad that being at a cedu school interfered with their "vocation" to be high 24/7. A second group is made up of really lunatics who didn't do well at cedu because they were just too crazy--should have been in a hospital somewhere. A third group here is a little more calculated---the predatory and litigation-prone---who are using the first two group to try to drum up hysteria against these schools so that they can climb on the sue-somebody gravy train and get some money from the school. Disgusting if the courts fall for any of it
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the only thing you seem to have gotten out of cedu is an aweful lot of bitterness.
why is it that you trolls can never tell us exactly what it is you like about cedu? what is so valueble about cedu's program that justifies your rage & endless personal attacks against those of us who were hurt by it? your posts are nothing BUT hateful speech. perhaps it's because deep down inside you know that cedu truly has no value. i think what really pisses you off is that you weren't strong enough resist cedu, and we were.
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you are right cedu has no value on its own, what brings value to any experience is a sense of something shared. i experienced this feeling on the wilderness challenge. the experience has helped to direct my life. if you did not experience this feeling at cedu,rma,nwa, bca, wherever you attended, it is cool. i hope that you do have an experience in your life that shows you the beauty of wilderness and the world you live in until then, do and say what inspires you.
didn't you make friends there? no? i'm sorry, there was an oppurtunity to make something better from the whole ordeal.
when you start throwing words around like "abuse" people tend to get a little heated. especially if the allegations involve a place (though not necessarily a time) that they remember with a bittersweet tone.
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cedu was not bittersweet. it tasted more like nut.
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Look, CEDU is an abusive cult. I worked there as a therapist and spent most of my 4 years trying to keep kids out of the hospital and off of psychotropic drugs. Why? Because the program was designed to drive them nuts with, double-binds, mixed messages, and conflicting rules that are no win no matter what they did. They place kids on restrictions and bans in order to make them feel intolerable emotional pain in order to control their thoughts. CEDU is a cult whose technology is taken directly out of cults. Scientology, Mormonism, Earhart Seminars Training, Lifespring and Synanon. I could go on and on, but why bother. This country is ruled by money and corporations by politicians who take that payola so they can exploit the average working joe and even the semi-wealthy. Kids are a commodity to CEDU, nothing more. The poster who said that you have little legal or regulatory recourse, sadly, is correct. That there is little regulation is a political game, a set up, designed to enrich big business with Bush at the helm. There is only one thing you can do about CEDU, and I can't say it, but, I can give you a hint. We did it in the 60s at universities, at government buildings, in the south, and across the country. The only mistake we made was to stop demonstrating and fighting and sitting in and smoking out and trashing places "singing songs and carrying signs." If you will. The only thing that saved kids at Northwest Academy was rioting, and it also saved them at Rocky Mountain Academy - RMA is now gone. Now, I am not suggesting rioting as a solution, because I can't. But, the only way to dethrone a tyrant is shown by history. You storm his seat of power and you take over, you lose him money and power. Remember that money and power are all they (the status quo) care about, and all they will ever care about. If you don't believe that, you are delusional or brainwashed. So, if you want change, you have to take risks and pay a big price. You are not going to get anything by working within the system, because the system is the whole problem.
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Go to the website
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/ord/CCRTitle22_715.htm (http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/ord/CCRTitle22_715.htm)
under the category "Group Homes", go to 1/05/05 Title 22, Div 6, Chap 5, Art 6 (cont.) section 84072 for the personal rights of children.
CEDU is a group home.
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everyone should read the state website
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The question is really whether or not cedu is licensed as a group home. If not, then they don't fall under the pervue of those regulations.
I highly doubt they are licensed as such- rather I believe they are probably just considered to be an alternative boarding school.
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Boundary, n. In political geography, an imaginary line between two nations, separating the imaginary rights of one from the imaginary rights of another. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
Your question is an entirely accademic one. Maybe CEDU falls under the Ca. state laws for group homes, maybe it doesn't. That only makes a difference in the sureality of the legal system. In the more commonly accepted reality, it doesn't make a bit of difference what kind of paper work exists. People born or living in this country have certain God given rights recognized by law and by tradition. CEDU and other brainwashed zombies might have themselves thoroughly convinced that they're above the law. But they're not.
I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Right- but they're talking about regulations and laws that are also academic. A great deal of discussion on this forum has also centered around legal action, so the question is definitely pertinent.
Reading my posts you can tell that I don't agree with cedu's methods of brainwashing and breaking down their students.
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An another note- I don't know if the devil's dictionary quote was yours of courtesy of the system that we post on, but it's funny because I keep a copy of that book in my desk at work!
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Look around the CEDU website - It lists a unique license number - and an agency -- Community Care Licensing Division. CEDU is a Group Home. Much of what CEDU does, particularly the isolation, is illegal in California.
It may not be illegal, for example, in Idaho, but in California, CEDU violates the rights of children as a matter of policy, program and practice.
My prediction: watch for some big changes.
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cedu is a lie and a a fraud and all of us former staff can say we were taught to lie to parents and states on the orders of allgood to cover up the fact that it is a cult that uses the kids making friends crap to cover up its real agenda which is to screw whoever they can for whatever they can . name names all of you out there. get usernames so i can send you private messages.
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to: Iknowcedulies
When were you there?
Looking for staff witnesses during 2003 - date
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http://www.childrenofacid.com/profile/v ... erson=1199 (http://www.childrenofacid.com/profile/view.php?person=1199)
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to: Iknowcedulies
Email me at wayne.yuen@gmail.com. My son is missing since 2/8/2004 from cedu high. I want to know what happen to my son when he was there. So far, no one from cedu give me a straight answer about what had happen to my son. I need help!!!!!
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Can anyone help us find this boy?
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"George Condas, vice president of operations for Cedu, declined to comment, saying school officials cannot comment on ongoing lawsuits."
Perhaps Condas COULD comment on why they accept kids without BOTH parents agreement. The MO seems to be to get the kid in and side with the consenting parent in order to keep the kid there.
That's just wrong.
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You sound like a CEDU employee...
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Because there're in it ONLY FOR THE MONEY. Oh my God I'm a scammed parent. These people are the biggest liars and cheats. Wake Up they didn't care about our kids.This industry needs regulation.The state of Idaho doesn't enforce the law.
They are phony brainwashers...
Signed,
Dumb mom
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Thanks. I WISH you were My mom.
Thanks anyway, Mom.
- x dumb kid
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Mom, I wish you were my friend. If you are authentic, truer words have never been spoken in such short order.
Yes, they are exactly what you say. Thank god you have been enlightened. Please help enlighten others with your experience. There are many victim parents to come, many more scams to be done, and more lies and minipulation of parents at hand. The beast must be brought down.
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On 2005-03-06 09:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"phone contact with parents cannot be taken away
under any circumstances"
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/getinfo/pdf/gh3.PDF (http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/getinfo/pdf/gh3.PDF)
perhaps you might have forgotten to read section 84072-c-11 in it's entirety, and since it's long and in pdf form, i'll just paraphrase the part i'd like to highlight for you:
children are entitled to confidential phone calls UNLESS the "discipline program" does not permit it.
On 2005-03-10 09:27:00, vvigil wrote:
"The question is really whether or not cedu is licensed as a group home. "
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2005-03-26 08:04 ]
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Marc, it is a shame that this is the most you can do now. A person has to move on
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On 2005-03-02 19:18:00, Antigen wrote:
"Ask anybody who's actually ever tried to sue for any kind of abuse. It's not like ordering a pizza. It's a brutal process. You open yourself up to what is known as the discovery process. Take into account that the victims in these cases are kids w/ more than their fair share of credibility issues to begin w/ and you can begin to imagine what that might be like.
It sucks, quite frankly! I wouldn't recomend it to anyone unless they've carefully considered the process and all alternatives and still feel compelled to do it.
The cover story just doesn't wash, buddy. CEDU people talk out of both sides of their mouths. While they have the kids and parents under their control, they preach the party line that all bad things that happen to you are your fault and all good things that happen are due to your excellence at working the program.
Well CEDU is constantly being accused of abusing kids and defrauding their parents. But when it's their turn to get called out, they cry and whine and about the evil outsiders conspiring to take them down. :cry2:
Go cry on someone else's shoulder. If this guy and his daughter are willing to take CEDU to task, more power to them! It's not going to be easy, and I think they know that. But hopefully it'll do some good. Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them.
--Thomas Paine
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."