Post by: Carmel on February 15, 2005, 11:34:00 PM
Always followed by the obligatory "get out of your pity".
This applied to any and all complaints or frustrations about any and everything.
Also classified as a "pat" phrase. Most likely followed by the "pat" answer..."apply it to yourself"...accompanied by a sharp jabbing motion towards one's forehead. Unless of course it was a viscious 5th phaser.
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Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 09:43:00 AM
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Post by: Froderik on February 16, 2005, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: Carmel on February 16, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
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On 2005-02-16 07:20:00, cult survivor wrote:
"It was, "sitting in your shit" when I was in too. "
Ya...this was it too, however swearing was banned when I was in, along with "cool", "man" and "dude". The only swearing even moderately tolerated was by staff or by a particularly rageful 5th phaser during OMR.
I remember people, the guys especially, using the term "guy" in place of the latter two. I still cringe when I hear people use it like that.
Post by: Froderik on February 16, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: thepatriot on February 16, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
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On 2005-02-16 08:21:00, froderik13 wrote:
"Straight without cussing? That's kinda like crackers without cheese.. ::puke:: god to this day I hate the fucking word positive when expressed like that any way.
Post by: thepatriot on February 16, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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Post by: thepatriot on February 16, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: Botched Programming on February 16, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.
--Frank Lloyd Wright, American architect
Post by: Woof-a-Doof on February 16, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
"Where do YOU get off..." were hollered/screamed/mentioned.
And of course that would preceed any one of countless 'confrontations" from greed/lust/dishonesty/lack of motavation...hell it was almost used for every circumstance back in the day.
It had a menacing sound to it, I can all most hear it now...."Where do YOU get off reading and posting to a website talking about Straight" How demeaning, degrading, not to mention what it really says.....Your not worthy.....yeah well fuck that :flame:
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
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Post by: ` on February 16, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
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On 2005-02-16 09:40:00, thepatriot wrote:
"Its hard to believe that any of us actually participated or were a part of something as isolated and fucked up as Straight, no wonder people who were not there can't figure out what the fuck we are talking about when we try to explain it."
had to explain to someone today about how they controlled everything, even where your eyes were.
he said "well what if you sat there and looked up at the ceiling?"
i thought about it. oh yeah! "then they would hold your head and turn it in the right direction."
then he wanted to know if we still had a choice to pay attention or not. it gets complicated fast trying to explain Straight.
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 05:57:00 PM
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On 2005-02-16 09:47:00, thepatriot wrote:
"What about whenever a 4th phaser started going to RSC ( rational Self Counseling) and learned a new word like "Cognitive Dissidence" and then would go home and bore the shit out of his newcommers with his new found vocabulary. Now that I never did, I prefered to sleep...
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Did you mean RSA (Rational Self Analysis)?
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: PerfectStraightling on February 16, 2005, 08:13:00 PM
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On 2005-02-16 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember confrontations that would make no sense to anyone but former "phasers" example "You know John Doe it's ridiculous how you sit in your pity leaching off this group. I am sick and tired of working my program and having to deal with your apathy. You know what guy, if you don't care about going back out there to use and die I wish you'd just leave my group alone! Some of us do care! Some of us know this is our only chance to make it! (Obligitory tears in the eyes) Some of us thank our Higher Powers for this chance! When I was using I thought I was a Billy Bad Stick too! But I'm straight now and relapse means death, the sooner you learn to work the steps and apply all this knowledge to yourself the better! It only works if you work it!! One day at a time.""
:wink:
Post by: kpickle39 on February 16, 2005, 08:15:00 PM
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Post by: PerfectStraightling on February 16, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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Post by: RTP2003 on February 16, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
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On 2005-02-16 12:58:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:
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"Where do YOU get off..." were hollered/screamed/mentioned.
Actually, it was "That's BULLSHIT! Where do you get off???!!!!?
Post by: thepatriot on February 17, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
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On 2005-02-16 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-02-16 09:47:00, thepatriot wrote:
"What about whenever a 4th phaser started going to RSC ( rational Self Counseling) and learned a new word like "Cognitive Dissidence" and then would go home and bore the shit out of his newcommers with his new found vocabulary. Now that I never did, I prefered to sleep...
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Did you mean RSA (Rational Self Analysis)?"
Rational Self something or a fuckingnother, it was all bull shit anyway. Does anybody remember the books they handed out in those classes? With the characters Rational Ralph and irrational Rachel or some shit like that. Completely pathetic, with some holier than though Senior staff, in my case Cris Cassler in Sarasota. Pretending to be some kind of psychology professor, and all that he was learning at Junior College. Probably because the dumb ass didn't have the SAT's to go to a real school. I remeber Straight telling the parents that when their kid seven stepped they would have more "Awareness" then somebody with a psych degre
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what a fucking joke, maybe a basket weaving degree or Art Therapy degree :lol: :lol: [ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2005-02-16 21:15 ]
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
Post by: Antigen on February 17, 2005, 01:05:00 AM
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On 2005-02-16 09:47:00, thepatriot wrote:
"What about whenever a 4th phaser started going to RSC ( rational Self Counseling) and learned a new word like "Cognitive Dissidence" and then would go home and bore the shit out of his newcommers with his new found vocabulary. Now that I never did, I prefered to sleep...
:rofl:
No, it's Cognitive Dissonance
Here's the Program definition
http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~jamesa/learning/dissonance.htm (http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~jamesa/learning/dissonance.htm)
And here's one from the more commonly accepted reality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance)
I had a great deal of cognitive dissidance going on. That's what was generally termed "having bad thoughts" or "getting into your head" and eventually, upon voicing my disseidence, led to my getting "sat on" and then sent to "TR".
Dissidence is good, buddy. It really is. Voicing it is something that you should not enter into lightly. But having it is crucial to being a free soverign individual.
You should be allowed to do whatever you want with your own person and property, as long as you don't physically harm the person or property of a nonconsenting other.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
Post by: Antigen on February 17, 2005, 01:14:00 AM
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On 2005-02-16 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
Did you mean RSA (Rational Self Analysis)?"
It was both. RSA and RST. Never did really get the distinction. Now I suppose it had to do w/ the author finding out something about the Program and balking at trademark infringement or something.
Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!
--Andi, domestic goddess
Post by: Antigen on February 17, 2005, 01:17:00 AM
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On 2005-02-16 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
if you don't care about going back out there to use and die I wish you'd just leave my group alone!
To which I once replied "I agree with you! If I were you, I'd kick me out too! I'm an asshole! So why don't you step away from the door, Reagan, and kick me the fuck out of your group?"
I knew I had an ass kicking coming already, so it wasn't really any great risk. But it's still one of my prouder moments, even at this late date.
Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice.
--Hearst newspapers nationwide, 1934
Post by: Froderik on February 17, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
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No, it's Cognitive Dissonance
I was going to correct him yesterday, but was too embarrassed & didn't 'push through my insecurities.' :lol:
Post by: thepatriot on February 17, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
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On 2005-02-17 07:18:00, froderik13 wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
"QuoteNo, it's Cognitive Dissonance
I was going to correct him yesterday, but was too embarrassed & didn't 'push through my insecurities.' :lol:"
Well then Alex have a seat and love yourself!
"Love Ya Alex"
Post by: thepatriot on February 17, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
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On 2005-02-17 08:36:00, thepatriot wrote:
"Quote:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
On 2005-02-17 07:18:00, froderik13 wrote:
"QuoteNo, it's Cognitive Dissonance
I was going to correct him yesterday, but was too embarrassed & didn't 'push through my insecurities.' :lol:"
Well then Alex have a seat and love yourself! write about it in your MI tonight
"Love Ya Alex" Group lets have a song, but first somebody grab the little misbehaving fuck on front row and sit on him..NOW!!!!!!
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Sarasota Straight Escapee
Post by: ehm on February 17, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
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On 2005-02-16 17:13:00, JMA wrote:
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On 2005-02-16 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember confrontations that would make no sense to anyone but former "phasers" example "You know John Doe it's ridiculous how you sit in your pity leaching off this group. I am sick and tired of working my program and having to deal with your apathy. You know what guy, if you don't care about going back out there to use and die I wish you'd just leave my group alone! Some of us do care! Some of us know this is our only chance to make it! (Obligitory tears in the eyes) Some of us thank our Higher Powers for this chance! When I was using I thought I was a Billy Bad Stick too! But I'm straight now and relapse means death, the sooner you learn to work the steps and apply all this knowledge to yourself the better! It only works if you work it!! One day at a time.""
:nworthy:
Post by: Froderik on February 17, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
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Well then Alex have a seat and love yourself! write about it in your MI tonight
LMAO! "love yourself," that one was popular in VA too..
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2005, 01:40:00 PM
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On 2005-02-16 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember confrontations that would make no sense to anyone but former "phasers" example "You know John Doe it's ridiculous how you sit in your pity leaching off this group. I am sick and tired of working my program and having to deal with your apathy. You know what guy, if you don't care about going back out there to use and die I wish you'd just leave my group alone! Some of us do care! Some of us know this is our only chance to make it! (Obligitory tears in the eyes) Some of us thank our Higher Powers for this chance! When I was using I thought I was a Billy Bad Stick too! But I'm straight now and relapse means death, the sooner you learn to work the steps and apply all this knowledge to yourself the better! It only works if you work it!! One day at a time.""
That speech was said many times during my phases. Almost verbatim and included that obligatory misty eyes. Just thinking about it makes me want to vomit.
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: PerfectStraightling on February 17, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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On 2005-02-17 08:37:00, cult survivor wrote:
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On 2005-02-16 17:13:00, JMA wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-02-16 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember confrontations that would make no sense to anyone but former "phasers" example "You know John Doe it's ridiculous how you sit in your pity leaching off this group. I am sick and tired of working my program and having to deal with your apathy. You know what guy, if you don't care about going back out there to use and die I wish you'd just leave my group alone! Some of us do care! Some of us know this is our only chance to make it! (Obligitory tears in the eyes) Some of us thank our Higher Powers for this chance! When I was using I thought I was a Billy Bad Stick too! But I'm straight now and relapse means death, the sooner you learn to work the steps and apply all this knowledge to yourself the better! It only works if you work it!! One day at a time.""
:nworthy: "
:lol:
I can just hear it being sung out, some totally horrible thing to say to a bunch of kids up on stage, in beautiful music!
Post by: ` on February 17, 2005, 03:31:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2005, 04:09:00 PM
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On 2005-02-17 10:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-02-16 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember confrontations that would make no sense to anyone but former "phasers" example "You know John Doe it's ridiculous how you sit in your pity leaching off this group. I am sick and tired of working my program and having to deal with your apathy. You know what guy, if you don't care about going back out there to use and die I wish you'd just leave my group alone! Some of us do care! Some of us know this is our only chance to make it! (Obligitory tears in the eyes) Some of us thank our Higher Powers for this chance! When I was using I thought I was a Billy Bad Stick too! But I'm straight now and relapse means death, the sooner you learn to work the steps and apply all this knowledge to yourself the better! It only works if you work it!! One day at a time.""
That speech was said many times during my phases. Almost verbatim and included that obligatory misty eyes. Just thinking about it makes me want to vomit. "
Thanks that means I hit the nail on the head with my memory.
I love the Straight the musical idea. I can just see it now...someone running (in ballet leaps) for the doors the oldcomers tackling them...but all in that over the top "Nutcracker" style. (fade to black)
(curtain rises to a dark faded alley littered with beer bottles and discarded needles)
The sad cop-out back on the street looking like a waif from les miserables.
Nah...screw that any old Gwar fans out there? We could just borrow a stage any stage and play slaughterama with the execs.
The Graduate
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
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On 2005-02-17 13:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-02-17 10:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-02-16 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember confrontations that would make no sense to anyone but former "phasers" example "You know John Doe it's ridiculous how you sit in your pity leaching off this group. I am sick and tired of working my program and having to deal with your apathy. You know what guy, if you don't care about going back out there to use and die I wish you'd just leave my group alone! Some of us do care! Some of us know this is our only chance to make it! (Obligitory tears in the eyes) Some of us thank our Higher Powers for this chance! When I was using I thought I was a Billy Bad Stick too! But I'm straight now and relapse means death, the sooner you learn to work the steps and apply all this knowledge to yourself the better! It only works if you work it!! One day at a time.""
That speech was said many times during my phases. Almost verbatim and included that obligatory misty eyes. Just thinking about it makes me want to vomit. "
Thanks that means I hit the nail on the head with my memory.
I love the Straight the musical idea. I can just see it now...someone running (in ballet leaps) for the doors the oldcomers tackling them...but all in that over the top "Nutcracker" style. (fade to black)
(curtain rises to a dark faded alley littered with beer bottles and discarded needles)
The sad cop-out back on the street looking like a waif from les miserables.
Nah...screw that any old Gwar fans out there? We could just borrow a stage any stage and play slaughterama with the execs.
The Graduate"
You most certainly did hit the nail on the head. Even after all the time that goes by it is amazing the stuff that I remember like it happened just yesterday. Such bullshit...
Post by: RTP2003 on February 17, 2005, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: Erinys on February 17, 2005, 09:51:00 PM
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On 2005-02-17 13:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
any old Gwar fans out there?
Yep!
Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
Post by: Dr. Fucktard on February 17, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
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On 2005-02-16 09:47:00, thepatriot wrote:
"What about whenever a 4th phaser started going to RSC ( rational Self Counseling) and learned a new word like "Cognitive Dissidence" and then would go home and bore the shit out of his newcommers with his new found vocabulary. Now that I never did, I prefered to sleep...
"
Preferring to sleep is merely one of the manifestations of your druggie will, Patriot, and by choosing to follow it instead of the sage wisdom we were trying to share with you, you have doomed yourself to a fate of jail, insanity, and DEATH. Your cavalier dimissal of my creation, RSC, indicates that you truly enjoy wallowing in the irrational, destuctive urges foisted upon you by your disease. Sadly, you chose to submerge yourself in the depravity of the drug culture, which is precisely where you will remain, clinging to your false pride and druggie beliefs--the same beliefs that got you sent to Straight, Inc. in the first place. If you had only applied your program, you wouldn't be "sitting in your shit" and mocking the Tools of Personal Change. It truly amazes me how you can twist the love and compassion we showed you into some sort of 'crime' that you blame us for perpetrating. Luckily for you, we still care enough to have reserved you a seat in a blue chair on the front row of the new, improved, all-ages, faith-based Straight, Inc.-by-the-Sea (formerly Straight, Inc. v2.0)! Love ya!
Post by: Dr Fucktard on February 17, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: Dr. Fucktard on February 17, 2005, 10:38:00 PM
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On 2005-02-17 19:32:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
"This Patriot fellow truly is an ungrateful sod, FT2...it's quite apparent. No doubt he will live to regret his audacity."
Damn right he will! His current attitude is leading nowhere but to jail, insanity, or death!
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2005, 10:50:00 PM
Post by: Dr Fucktard on February 17, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: Morbid_Opiate on February 18, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
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On 2005-02-17 19:52:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
"Exactly...which means that the druggies here will become twice as straight!"
Hey Dr Fucky, long time no see how ya been ya crusty old bastard?
In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
--Thomas Jefferson 1798
Post by: Dr. Fucktard on February 18, 2005, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: thepatriot on February 18, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
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On 2005-02-18 06:18:00, Dr. Fucktard wrote:
"We've been getting kids Straight and OFF DRUGS, that's what we've been up to! Now change your user name to something that doesn't glorify the use of narcotics, you filthy druggie!"
Ding Ding Ding!!!!!! Round three here we go again, love yourself Dr. Fucktard! have a seat! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Morbid_Opiate on February 18, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
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On 2005-02-18 09:14:00, thepatriot wrote:
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On 2005-02-18 06:18:00, Dr. Fucktard wrote:
"We've been getting kids Straight and OFF DRUGS, that's what we've been up to! Now change your user name to something that doesn't glorify the use of narcotics, you filthy druggie!"
Ding Ding Ding!!!!!! Round three here we go again, love yourself Dr. Fucktard! have a seat! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "
Ahhhh excuse me that was me not patriot
Fear believes--courage doubts. Fear falls up the earth and prays--- courage stands erect and thinks. Fear is barbarism---courage is civilization. Fear believes in witchcraft, devils and ghosts. Fear is religion, courage is science.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
Post by: Botched Programming on February 19, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
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On 2005-02-17 19:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WTH is going on here???? 2 Dr. Fucktard's????"
And I can relate to the confusion. It only goes to show that they don't have or can't have their own identity as their brains have been washed. They have become institutionalized and can't function in society that calls for the ability and freedom to be autonomous.
And as for the 7 steps they are only a bastardization of 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous.
They were written in order for a purpose. Not for someone to canabalize and mind fuck a bunch of kids.
And hey...."Love ya...mean it"
What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72