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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 11, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
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I came home early from a business trip. I went to ask my son if he wanted to get a bite to eat at Blimpie. He went to get his coat and knocked a pillow off his bed. I went to put the pilow back in place when I noticed a Playboy Magazine next to his compforter. He knows how I feel regarding such publications. Should I begin to pat him down after every time he returns from being outside the house?How do I deal with this situation?
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Get him a subscription so he'll stop stealing yours. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
--Philosopher, Blaise Pascal
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Ship him away! Lock em Up! isolate him...make the little fucker grovel for his freedom.
That'll show..er...i mean, rehabiliate em!
GregFL
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patting him down wont fix it...if you start doing that, they just get sneakier and sneakier. cause and effect is the way to go....place a consequence on him for what he has done. Unfortunately, I did not do that with my child, which is what got me where I am today. I didnt place enough or the appropriate consequence. At the same time, if you show him you dont trust him, then he will just learn other ways to get what he wants.
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Your kid is gonna jack off regardless, hes 16, its time for him to mature. Its also time for *YOU* to grow up.
What, you didnt masturbate? suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
I bet you dont now either :roll: The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.
-- E. Grebenik
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Show him a WWASP Catalog. Tell him that if need be he wi be be removed against his will if his behavior persists. Tell him he will leave crying from his bedroom in handcuffs, leg cuffs, whatever is necessary. Tell him you will invite his friends over to witness the intervention. If that does not persuade him he deserves what is coming to him.
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At the risk of blowing my chance at everlasting life in heaven, I have the folowing to say: YOU ARE A SICK, SADISTIC BITCH ANON!
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Mikey, Maybe you think that because you are Debbie's son, that you think you can go around berate people looking to improve the lives of their chldren. But I do not tolerate people like you. And neither will God. God is always watching you. You will have to answer to him and then spend your afterlife burning in hell as Satan stands by.
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This has got to be just another troll thread - but what the heck-
I'd toss the thing in the trash and when and if he asked about it, I'd tell him and explain such material will give him a false impression of women and sex, making it less likely he'll be satisfied in his marriage and more likely he'll become addicted to sex with paper dolls. Also, I'd explain my view that such material cheapens sex and degrades women and for that reason alone should be avoided. Depending on weather or not he wanted to talk about the subject, I might say more - but otherwise, that is ALL I'd do or say.
You'll do no good by embarrassing him.
Besides, in truth, if he were 16 and not showing some interest in such things That in itself could be cause for concern - because that would not be normal.
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anon, I'd like to invite you to grow up a bit about pornography and masturbation. Its a damned fantasy. Let the kid have his damn thrills. At least hes not out fucking around, if this actually existed.
I seem to handle it without being addicted to anything or objectifying women. Well, unless she happens to get off on being objectified. BDSM sure is interesting :grin:
Some of it can be degrading, but porn doesnt 'degrade' a whole gender. I'm sure I could go find some gay S&M that 'degrades' men and show it to you but you'd probably want nothing of it.
Also, FYI, I know a mom who is pretty pragmatic and upfront with her kids about the topic. Her only objection is "do it in your room" which she only had to say when they were about 10 years old. That and she doesnt want to see things left around the house.
It worked just fine, and neither of them objectify their respective opposite sex. I can understand it if its a MORAL objection - but porn certainly hasnt made ME objectify women or treat them badly.
Infact, if they did porn RIGHT and the models were interviewed after the scenes, youd see they ARE people, and not just a hunk of wet flesh with makeup on. But well, this isnt the kidn of forum where I should be plugging porn sites. :razz:A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-- Robert Heinlein
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Everyone's got their opinion. Mine is porn isn't something I'd go and look at. And I don't masurbate. But if someone is into that then great for them as long as they don't push it on me. 16 year old? Please he could easily daydream some porn up in his head. I'd tell him to not do it in my house. When he has his own house he's free to do whatever he wants. However, my house, my rules.
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Nothing wrong with that. Just some parents take it too far and take normal behavior and turn it into something villifed or 'abnormal' through their own twisted definitions.
Theology: The effort to explain the unknowable in terms of the not worth knowing.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher
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I think your son is VERY NORMAL for a sixteen year old. Try not to get so upset. Let him know that you dissaprove of him having these and would appreiciate it if this material didn't enter your home again.
Let him know that you want him to respect women and how they want to be treated. Boys and girls alike at his age and even younger are very curious and want to know AND see everything they can.
He'll be fine.
P.S. be happy it wasn't Hustler or worse!
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Stay firm.I had a simliar altercation with my daughter regarding awful Hip Hop Music. I explained to her that I did not agree to her choice of music. I told her that as long as she lives under my roof, she will not be listening to any Hip Hop.She grew out of Hip Hip fortuanately. Snoop Dog is long dead and buried but sadly, his music is very much alive.
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I'm gonna be the devils advocate here and ask you one question - wtf is wrong with porn?
Also, how does what you look at effect if you respect women or not? I dont see how erotica is going to make someone objectify a whole gender.
Sorry to step on the toes of a few people here, but what the pro-family politicians say doesnt really mean much to me. I'd like to see some facts indicating that its actually a program and actually causes that.
I've looked at it since I was 12 and I'm just fine, thanks. 8 years and I havent been messed up yet! They came with a Bible and their religion- stole our land, crushed our spirit... and now tell us we should be thankful to the 'Lord' for being saved.
--Chief Pontiac, American Indian Chieftain
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On 2005-02-13 18:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stay firm.I had a simliar altercation with my daughter regarding awful Hip Hop Music. I explained to her that I did not agree to her choice of music. I told her that as long as she lives under my roof, she will not be listening to any Hip Hop.She grew out of Hip Hip fortuanately. Snoop Dog is long dead and buried but sadly, his music is very much alive. "
:wstupid: Snoop Dog is alive, dumbass. TUPAC got shot. This is fucking OOOOLLLLLLDDDDDDD Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
-- Anonymous
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leasson's learned;
don't come home early from a business trip.
don't take junior to dinner at blimpies.
don't mess with the little shits sleeping material.
question's;
he's reading the porn and you're wanting to pat him down? who's the perv?
just lock'em in the closet...that'll keep him away from it?
deal with it;
you sit down and talk about what you expect...he tells you what he wants...then you go from there. niles maybe close on this one...what's wrong with porn?
haven't you ever seen a naked body? apparently so...you have a child from it. what you say...that wasn't porn? you nasty little grown up you...
get a life, this isn't the end of the world!
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For all we know, shes still in shock from the fact that to have a child she had to shove him out of her vagina covered in blood and goo.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Too good Nihl!!
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just be thankful that it wasn't play girl?
according to the other problems with children on this board, yours could be "normal". the others are running off with jews, poking dad, juicing roids to keep up with granny knitting on sunday and who knows what else.
hell...pat him on the pecker and move on
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So what if it WAS a playgirl?
Then the problem would be with his parents, and not himself. I'm sure the GOP's religious right/evangelical constituency and vote-camapaign would have something to say about it but I fail to see how that would be much of a problem except for the parent's ability to deal with it.
Honestly, its a sad state of affairs when parents dont know how to handle their children or teenagers masturbating without consulting doctors, "Doctor" Phil, or some other pundit like Laura or *groan* religion. What did you forget being that age?
Give some damn support for their emotions and answer any questions they have, instead of making them all twisted inside from shame. Real criminals walk free every day to rape, rob, and murder again because the courts are so busy finding consensual criminals guilty of hurting no one but themselves.... To free cells for consensual criminals, real criminals are put on the street every day.
Peter McWilliams
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So what if it was the Victoria's Secret catalog? Or National Geographic? Or Maxim? Or a VCR tape of a typical T&A flick like Porky's or Revenge of the Nerds? Or Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition? Or a pinup poster of the latest starlet? Or a DVD of Legally Blonde? Or just about any James Bond flick?
Get over it.
Tell him the truth. *You* think the magazine is disgusting and it disturbs you. Throw his magazine away. Tell him you don't condone it and he may buy more skin mags, but he'd better not leave them where you can find them or they're going right into the trash.
Believe me, trashing his magazine is plenty of consequence to keep him from leaving them around where you will find them and be disturbed by them.
Most men never grow out of wanting to look at scantily clad, pretty, young women.
Most men *do* become discreet about allowing their womenfolk to *catch* them looking at scantily clad, pretty, young women.
If he's the type to become a religious fanatic and quit looking, he will. If he's *not* the type to become a religious fanatic and quit looking, there's not a damned thing you can do to stop him. He's gonna look. There are enough chickies wandering around in next to nothing for him to have plenty to look at.
At sixteen, what he's going to be or not be when he grows into manhood is already carved in stone. You either passed on your values and he'll grow out of his adolescent "rebellion" *or* you didn't pass on your values and he's formulated his own and he'll settle down enough from adolescence to live by whatever values he has.
In the nineteenth century, your son would have been old enough to join the military or run off and lie about his age and marry. Any farmer would have taken on him and his young wife as hired help with few to no questions, as long as he was a hard worker.
Just because our warped society considers him a child instead of a man and has infantilized him so that he's a childish man doesn't mean he's not a man.
He's a man.
His values are already engraved in his heart and mind, for better or worse, and you're just going to have to hold your breath and see how he turns out.
He's not an active danger to himself or others.
He's gonna do what he's gonna do. Live with it.
*Or* try to crack down on him like a load of bricks and watch your relationship with him slip through your fingers and lose him forever.
Those are your choices.
Because if he's got the stones to get himself a skin mag despite your wishes, he's got the stones not to be a mama's boy, and you're not going to be able to retie him to your apron strings. The young man, however immature, simply won't let you do it.
That is, *if* this is a real thread and not a troll--which I doubt.
Timoclea
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I think this mom or troll should just grow up and mature sexually, finally, as they should have in adolescence.
Personally, I'm discrete about erotica, but if someone went looking for it and found it and complained, I'd tell them to kiss my ass because not only did I keep it private with all of my other shit, they went looking for it and shouldnt complain to me about them choosing to look for and find it!
Plus, I pick my friends carefully and those that aren't accepting of me or my interests are NOT said friends. I dont hang out with prudes :grin: He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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Please tell me this is a troll!
Masturbation is normal. end of story.
I can talk to my teenage son and his friends about it very openly. When the Victoria's Secret catalog or one of my daughter's teen magazines come, I just hand them to him and ask if he wants them. Big F'ing deal. Be for real! All I ask is that he doesn't look at porn on my computer so that I get all the crap sent to my mailbox. If you have taught your son correctly to respect women, you shouldn't even have to remind him when it comes to looking at Porn.Kids are smart enough to know the difference between real women and magazine women. Duh!
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Um I look at porn on my comp constantly and dont get shit in my mailbox.
Its as easy as NOT USING INTERNET EXPLORER and not giving out your email address.
Or just go to a damn TGP... http://www.thehun.net (http://www.thehun.net) :grin:
I know a better one but its all kinky stuff, so not everyones thing... http://www.free-hardcore.com (http://www.free-hardcore.com) Maybe One who cares would enjoy modeling for "meninpain" There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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I know. What's the stupid troll going to do? Smash the kid's fingers with a baseball bat so he can't draw "dirty pictures" of "nekkid wimmin"????
What a jerk.
Men are aroused by visual images, women by words. It's incredibly ironic that the same women who are so self-righteously torked off by men's visual porn tend to be voracious consumers of romance novels---which, even when they are scrupulous in use of euphemisms like "rose tipped peaks" and "hard maleness" and "scaling the heights" (to borrow some antiquated Harlequin cant)---are porn for middle-aged "respectable" housewives.
Everybody partakes of porn. Some people are just more honest with themselves about it than others.
Timoclea
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T sorry to cut in like this but FYI words and settings and mental stuff does more for me than just pictures, and at the same time I know a TON of women and girls who go apeshit over naughty pics. :razz:
Go get on IRC and look for a "yaoi" channel and find out for yourself. Question with boldness even the existance of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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my whole point was, my son and his friends are normal teenage boys, not perverted little pigs. So if you teach your kids how to behave around real women then there's no problem.
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On 2005-02-20 21:32:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"T sorry to cut in like this but FYI words and settings and mental stuff does more for me than just pictures, and at the same time I know a TON of women and girls who go apeshit over naughty pics. :razz:
Go get on IRC and look for a "yaoi" channel and find out for yourself. Question with boldness even the existance of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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There are a ton of women who are good at math and geometry and have a good sense of direction, too.
Just because two bell curves have a different peak doesn't mean there isn't a whole lot of area overlap under the curve.
Timoclea
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niles, timo; yea as long as there are no peter tracks left in the magazines, i agrezze wif u'ins! powor to z n8kid porn!
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::troll::
Anyway, why havent people considered just being open about masturbating with your kids? Oh no your kids are happy when they close their bedroom or bathroom door or when youre not at home, oh no!
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