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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: mudbone357 on February 10, 2005, 11:49:00 PM
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Hi,
I am an RMA survivor from 1994 to 1996, and I just got a bizarre message from my mother, who has kept in touch with the educational consultant that told them to send me to RMA, and who told her earlier today that RMA will be closing on Tuesday, I believe. Has anybody else heard anything about this? I googled and found nothing. Could this really be true? If so, maybe some of us with recurring nightmares for ten or more years can finally get a decent nights sleep. Maybe. :smile:
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It's a go! DEAD! I piss on their grave.
The other rings of hell shall fall to the forces of justice and karma soon enough.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/cedu-rma-c (http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/cedu-rma-c)
losure050210.html
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Here's the full link:
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/ced ... 50210.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/cedu-rma-closure050210.html)
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Wow, thanks for the links...
I can hardly believe it, just getting out of there seemed to be an impossible task, somehow tied up with the immutability of the cult of personality at the school. I remember Ned Murray, that douche bag, and the worst of all John Aaron; I still sometimes have nightmares still about his raps, and I graduated almost 10 years ago. God, 10 years ago, that sounds so unbeleivable now. I don't know, maybe I'm just feeling nostalgic, wrapped up with an incredible sense of relief, I almost want to take the drive up to see it close. It's not too far a drive from Portland...
If anyone else wants to talk about this, or about anything relating to time: your time at RMA, how strange time can seem when something like this happens; Heidegger talked about the quality of time when you could pick up a telephone and talk to somebody across the world time seems to be acting in such a different way, and this closing has that same strange feeling, like time just bent back 10 years in a heartbeat... or maybe it was Huserl, I can't remember. Well, ding dong the witch it dead, that mean old witch is dead.
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That's huge. 1 down, and only who knows how many to go. We can only hope north idaho, running springs, and the evergreen state are rid of cedu soon. I'm personally gonna go celebrate
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What I don't understand is how there are only 19 kids at RMA! When I went to BCA there were so many more students at RMA! Well, it does kind of suck for the kids who are being kept in the program! They should be able to go home...
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rma may have been run by that dan earle who is a molestor of boys bar none. he was taught by the scum at cedu who ran to cascasde when they got caught in the act. cascade shut down due to parent's discovering their boys being molested by allgood. what a surprise! after he put so much effort into attacking his victims . kind of like oj and the shoes. classic sociopath . you know mike line when the cops catch him " at least i am not a murderer " all you sheep tell us why you belive the lies of michael allgood and be honest because he never is
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Apparently even the "campus swap" with Northwest Academy this last summer did not help them succeed in their goal "to ensure the continued viability of RMA and to better serve our students.? Well, with the exception that everyone is better served with the place closing.
http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2004/7/jul04seennheard.html
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IT finally happened ::bigsmilebounce:: ::jawdrop::
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Think for a moment. Rocky Mountain Academy really started going downhill when they railroaded Roy Phillips out. They didn't realize that he held the whole school together. And, he was the light in the darkness, giving meaning to the hearts of the therapists and the hearts of all of the kids being degraded and marginalized by the program and staff. As a psychologist, he explained to the kids how to survive the program by fooling moroni. The day after he left, he had a massive heart attack and almost died. He was my dearest friend, and what they did to him was horrific and I have not forgiven them. Maybe some day.
After working there for about 10 years, Roy was old and had plenty of money to retire. He kept doing work as a therapist there, because he really cared deeply for the kids - we would talk for hours about stratigies to save the kids sanity by telling them how to make their stay there bearable because we all knew the staff were idiots and easy to confuse.
I learned from him how to nurture the kids so they could fool staff idiots and mormons by standing tall, staying above water, and still getting what they wanted. He was their coach and mine too. He dressed as Santa on christmas and handed out candy. For every holiday he role played and laughed with the kids doing silly things to cheer them up - he was very successful and saved many from suicide and hospitalization imposed by that insidious program. A kinder soul I have never met.
What Happened to Roy:
He was called in and "asked" (ha) to run clinical services. Roy was not at a place in his life to handle the stress, being old and tired, and he told them that. They said Well, if you won't work in that capasity, then pack up your things. He did that day.
The stress of losing his beloved kids and experiencing the "dark side of the force" if you will, led to his a massive heart attack the next day. Thus, RMA was cursed. They threw an angel out of his job to die. Now RMA is going away. And so will all of the other schools unless they stop the false love and concern, stop their abuse of staff, therapists, and kids, and actually develop the kind of compassion love and high humanity exemplified by Roy Phillips. Tonight I am going to celibrate the closing of RMA with Roy's bold, kind, powerful heart in my thoughts and in my hands. I dedicated all of my posts to him - that his work will live on in me if he dies. He may already be dead. I have been unable to find him Here's' to the Honerable Roy Philips dead or alive - If dead or alive, he lives on in the masses of human beings he touched with his beautiful heart, mind, and soul. [ This Message was edited by: Roy on 2005-02-11 16:00 ]
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Did Roy really have a heart attack? That man was the best staff RMA had, going to my appointments with him was like an escape from hell. He always gave me ideas and tips about how to bullshit my way through raps. That poor man, I hope he's still alive and doing okay
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He did have a heart attack. Then bypass surgery with complications and a long recovery. He was everything you said about him and more. I miss him. If you find him, post his name and town. Thank you for backing up my words.
Roy
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Can someone tell me if this is actually the same place LOCALE that RMA was in when it started. I know they changed names and campuses so I don't really know if this is the campus off of Route 1 just north of Bonners Ferry?
This campus that I think of was built just after CEDU in cali started raking in the bucks. Patrick Stambuski and a bunch of others were the first Peer Group at that place, They literally built the school...so we were told... JUst like HERE FOREVER. I will also be very pleased if it is the place that I too have nightmares about OFTEN still.
Mudbones, it's been over ten years for me too, it's not our fault the dreams linger. Pschology existed pretty successfully as a field before CEDU, and the dreams are relevant and important in illustrating how long lasting the impact of what we went through really is.
Is it My RMA that is closing permanently or just the place with the name????? I must know. thanks.
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I believe the article referring to the closing of RMA mentioned that "Rocky Mountain Academy of Naples, Idaho will be closing". I think your RMA is still there - it's just simply called NWA. They closed what used to be NWA.
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I don't know if he wants to hear from RMA types---maybe that's the past for him so I have not contacted him.
If you all know him better than I did and do contact him maybe you could post something or get him to post something indicating that he would like to hear from those who remember him fondly
I hear that he still keeps his Idaho psychology license current (so presumably is still active in the profession) and that his current Idaho registration (which probably is reciprocal to California) has him living in Yuba City California.
Don't have a phone or address for him--I do remember from a report that his name as Roy J. Phillips but obviously even with a listed number he could be listed as R. Phillips. R.J. Phillips, under his wife's name, whatever.
So if anyone finds out he wouldn't mind being contacted please say so.
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FROM A CRAZY GIRL FROM PG 96
uhhh Yeah RMA switched campuses w/ NWA, thats why the school was reported to be in Naples. They switched cuz RMA had hardly any kids and NWA was overcrowded. Oh and i had roy too and yes he was a very kind and good hearted man, but anyone who says that Roy leaving was the reason that the school was going downhill is crazy. It was obvious from the beginning. i still talk to another very kind, good hearted staff member who had been there praactically since the beginning and even they said that the place had been going downhill for years. Supposedly (as i have heard from the staff member and students who were there even before i was say that it started with the school program manager guy who was only there for like 6 months, fucked everything up and left. i think he was the one right before pam broker or something. anyways i am sure it probably was going downhill way before then. i do hope that roy is doing well. i was still seeing him until he had his heartattack, and going to see him was always one of the only things i had to look forward to while i was there.
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Oh! CEDU & RMA close, so sad.
Thpthpthp.
I just entered RMA into a search engine & found this websight, so I apologize if I step on any toes. I don't know what this websight is. I was hoping it was, (or that you might know of) a CEDU/RMA survivors support group?
I was a student at both from 1984 to 86. I "Graduated" (as if a diploma from RMA is worth the paper it's written on.) and yes, I have warm memories of the safety & love I felt from my friends. (although the school did nothing to prepare us for the unsafe world outside), I remember and even miss smoosh piles & DMT's, but lets face facts. The school was run by amateurs, experimenting via "trial & error" with a lot of things even -qualified- people have trouble with. Tim Brace himself admitted, when I confronted him in a rap about the sleep depravation & intense hammering of the propheets being brain washing, that is WAS brainwashing, and he defended the concept. When I was at RMA I doubt there was ONE licensed psychiatrist, psychologist, or other trained individual who would have been allowed to practice the types of things they were doing if any government agency were to have been aware of what was going on there. Why did they pick upper Idaho? Poor educational standards I guess. I was given a High School diploma, and I never took a SINGLE test. Not One.
I wish, I REALLY wish someone (with the time) would do a study of the combined Wasserman school's SUCCESS RATE. How many kids actually succeeded in life after graduation? From the early days right up through it's closing? I have only been able to keep in contact with three of my peers, but through them I have heard too many horror stories. Bill was soon after graduation disowned, and has struggled through too many jobs to count. Susan has had 3 kids & two failed marriages. Bailey killed himself. Craig gave up music & became a homeless person, Jason spent 10 years living in a drug-induced haze. I myself have had 7 jobs, two careers & a failed marriage of my own to contend with. Perhaps former staff comfort themselves with the possible statistic that a greater percentage of people succeeded after RMA than failed, but I submit that is cold comfort to the students that failed, & their families.
Are my failings CEDU/RMA's fault? H-no! (The one good thing RMA gave me was great self-evaluation skills.) It's my life, I take full responsibility. But to say that CEDU/RMA helped me, or any of my friends I have spoken to or heard from, or that it was a great & noble place, is absurd. Maybe they cleaned up their act & hired competent, qualified staff members after my time, but based on the fact that they have declared bankruptcy, I would have to assume things were still not right. Don't blame the stockholders if the whole program was failing. As for myself, I'm not "happy" it's gone, but I do have a sense of grim satisfaction.
If anyone knows of a group for former students, or you just want to Rap, I'm Geoffrey Sprague
sprague@bestweb.net
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[ This Message was edited by: rmagirl on 2006-01-30 11:27 ]
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I went to RMA back in 1984, with Geoff who posted above. We have indeed been the closest of friends for more than 20 years now and ironically, without RMA, that would not have been the case.
Susan was my girlfriend there, and we stayed, or rather got back together after she was yanked out by her father after we had a sex contract together. The relationship lasted for several years and I will always be grateful I got to know her.
Yes, RMA had some good students, many of whom became good friends. Shared experiences, even shared trauma do that to people. They grow closer together.
I think the three of us were lucky in that we stuck together, trying to keep a firm grasp on reality, which RMA worked so hard to destroy and reform in their horrid vision.
That nightmare of a place was marketed to wealthy families who had neither the time nor the ability, perhaps even lacking the desire, to keep working with their kids, as a place to make them better again.
The problem I saw, was that the program was one-size-fits-all, and many of us were not that messed up to begin with.
I was sent to RMA because I did not complete homework. I doubt any student who was there with me would claim I was not intelligent or well educated, so I wasn't doing schoolwork for reasons that had nothing to do with capability.
But here I was, surrounding by kids who had real problems. Drugs, alcohol, sexual experiences so bizarre I get sick recalling listening to them repeated at the beginning of every propheet.
My parents had intended to use RMA as a way of disowning me after my 18th birthday, so I was sent there for all the wrong reasons. On graduation day I was told I was never coming home. Which messed me up enough I really needed counciling then.
Parents have no clue what their kids are really doing at that school. When they come on the occassional visits, they see their kid performing. Doing various activities, all of which appear wholesome, running, playing, spending time with others in meaningful relationship, and they figure their kid is really in a magical place that is truly going to make they better again.
But they don't see the raps. The constant tearing down of each student's mental barriers. The humiliation tactics, peer pressure, sleep deprivation, bans, and so many other emotional and mental attacks that leave their child unable to cope with real life after RMA.
For me, after graduation, I was in a haze. I was flown back to California and saw more people in the first five minutes at San Francisco airport than I had seen in the 2 years in Idaho. Culture shock was the least of my worries however.
I had no money, no skills, and no way to survive in the most expensive state in the union, without parental support and traumatized by my time in Idaho.
I have spent the better part of 20 years trying to rebuild my life, rebuilding my family relationships and failing miserably. It was all a waste. The Academy, the efforts to try to get my family to see I was not some evil teenager and never was, and to someday be proud of myself and have my family proud of me.
I have attempted suicide 3 times since graduating. I should say I committed suicide, but when you fail, they say you just tried. I hung myself and the rope broke. Twice. Odds of that are billions to one. RMA gave me nothing but a few close friends and took away my family, my sense of self, my sense of purpose and my control over my emotions. The staff there had no training and should not have been allowed to work with the minds of young kids, using the dangerous techniques they employed.
From everything I have heard, the schools that spawned from CEDU and RMA were no better and continued the traditions of illegal practices, sex and drugs that were prevailent at RMA. That they are shutting down is a good thing. I think every cent they charged to every parent who sent a kid there should be returned, with appologies.
What started out so many years ago as a place to help troubled young teens turned into a hellish nightmare for far too many. I think it is evident that even 20 years later, people are still reliving the trauma and having so much trouble succeeding in their lives. It pains me to know that those of you have have left so recently may still have endless years of emotional pain ahead of you. And I don't know what I can offer you that would help.
I still manage to pick myself up every day and keep going, and every day it does get a little easier. But the memories and the horror never fade. And I still want my family back!
Good luck to you all,
William Henry, class of 1986
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You brave men still around? Hope you're well.
best regards,
feel free to please PM me. i have questions.
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You brave men still around? Hope you're well.
best regards,
feel free to please PM me. i have questions.