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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 08, 2005, 12:43:00 PM
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My little cousin was sent to RMA, and after maybe a year there he got in a fight and was sent to that place called NIBH that a few people have been posting about lately. My family would never talk about the place, nor would they talk about RMA much. I was under the impression that because it was just called 'North Idaho Behavioral Health' that it was simply another kind of Ascent. Now I'm seeing things like "mental hospital" and hearing some particularly scary stuff. He finally got out of there when the money ran out, his parents never had him go back to RMA, and no one has heard from the kid since, other than a postcard I got from him 6 months ago.
Can someone tell me about that place? What the fuck goes on there? It seems like it pushed a good kid right over the edge, and I'm guessing it's happened many times before. Since there's no way to contact the only kid I know who got sent there, maybe you guys could tell me what NIBH's deal is. I'd really appreciate it.
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First let me say I agree with you wholeheartedly.
NIBH or North Idaho Behavioral Health was once a mental hospital. Now it is a brainwashing center set up by a woman who was a former CEDU Staff member who whent back to school to ge a worthless University Of Idaho degree in Counseling and Himan Services.
She went to work at NIBH while in ther masters program and quickly rose to the head of the Adolescent Treatment Center of the hospital.
She set the hospital up on the model of Rocky Mountain Academy - The second worst of the CEDU schools - BCA being the worst. This is why kids are deiven Crazy. Now Dr Ulrich is in charge of psychiatric servises at CEDU and is the VP of NIBH and receives referrals for his private practice from both - What a recket he has?
He drugs the kids at the 5 North Idaho CEDU cult schools so they can handle the abuse without complaining. When they are driven crazy he gets big money for really fucking them up at NIBH
That is the sad answer to your question. I used to collaborate with Dr Ulrich, Cedu, NIBH and Ulrich's private practice - Given the bad press of recent, this would be agood time for a lawsuit.
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What "Roy" says is simply not true. NIBH is an adolescent psychiatric center with an acute, medical residential, and a social residential unit. The staff there is very good. They have an all RN staff including techs which all have four year degrees and are very professional and caring.
Dr. Ullrich and his two therapists, who also see their kids at the Idaho schools, are the best in the country. The therapists at the schools aren't even liscenced. They practice under the umbrella of the one liscenced pHD, at least at Boulder Creek. Dr. Ullrich's therapists are fully liscenced and credentialed.
Their mission is not to drug the kids as the "anonymous" former therapist alleges. There are kids with clinical issues at the Idaho schools who need meds at least for now. Many of the kids at the Idaho schools have organic mental health issues, such as bipolar disorders, and everyone knows that that particular illness requires meds forever, unfortunately.
The kids are sent to NIBH for very good reasons, such as being unsafe to themselves and others, etc., and the staff at NIBH does wonderful work in turning the kids around. I have personally experienced the clinical skills of Ullrich, et al. for quite some time. They are the real thing.
So as far as the "therapy" given by the therapists on staff at BCA and RMA, I'll be the first one to agree that they are not qualified. You see real therapy when Linda Daggy, one of the liscenced therapists, comes to the campus to see her kids and work with the staff to help them understand how best to work with the kids. The staff are receptive to the suggestions of both Linda Daggy and Dr. Ullrich.
Hope that helps to answer your question. Your cousin probably needed to be there and probably got the help he needs. There is no magical cure, however, for many kids, even with a behavioral/medication combination.
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I'll have you know that one of those therapists that didn't have a "license" was by far the best person I met while at those schools. Unfortunately, MR's disagreement with cedu and bca's principles and methods led to his termination.
I have no doubt that the men and women working on the three levels at NIBH are more than qualified to work at their positions, and anyone that would work with children and a place like that is likely to have a pretty good heart and be in it for the right reasons. However, the connection between NIBH and those 3 schools is where I get weary.
I think it's fine to have kids who need to be in that place being treated there. It's a respectable institution that is utilized by not just cedu, but is referred to many of the youth living in North Idaho. I think it's heinous for scum like Ulrich to use such an easy pool that is provided by BCA, RMA, NWA, and the fragile, easily influenced parents that put their kids there to fuel his business.
I know a few cedu kids who needed a little dose of the hospital to get them back on track. I know even more that were devastated by the experience.
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Thank God that the Idaho schools DO have the connection with the NW Psych people, because the clinical issues of the kids way outweigh the skillset of the therapists on campus. I know of many kids whose lives were saved by Daggy, Stanton and Ullrich.
As far as MR goes, yes, I heard he was liked by some. When he left, he wrote the parent board the most outrageous letter and sounded like a paranoid schizophrenic, very unstable. His rantings and ravings totally discredited him in the eyes of the parents.
For you to describe the affiliation between Ullrich and the Idaho schools as heinous is perplexing. Again, I thank God for them.
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It's a double-edged sword. Those "life-saving" characters that you speak so highly of rely very heavily on reports made by those under-qualified program staff members that you seem to loathe so much.
If decisions need to be made that outweigh the abilities of cedu staff, then they should be made by an outside clinician who is very familiar and acquainted with how those schools work. Not by someone who is on the inside like Ulrich and is going to benefit in multiple financial aspects from the decisions he makes. I understand that any doctor is going to be driven by a financial standpoint, but in Ulrich's case it just seems to be even more so.
As for MR, I'm still friends with him today. He was the kind of guy that could help you in so many ways if you connected. If not, well, there were plenty of other clinicians there, and it was never a problem to request to switch...I'm still friends with the man today.
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Ok, So I don't understand why everyone is patting Dr. Ullrich on the back. I was at BCA and during your stay, it is in the "rules" that children are only required to have 1 medical evalution to see if meds are needed. Unless of course the student requested more, or if something traumatic changed making the staff and nursing folks feel that another is necessary. I was personally given 3 evalutions for no reason. I was NEVER out of control like someone who needed meds, they couldn't even diagnose me with the ever so common ADD, or ADHD. The reason they gave my mother for continuing to bring me back was because I was the ONLY student at BCA with no record of ever needed or being on medication and they didn't feel that was accurate. So within these interviews, they were looking for the smallest thing to pin on me so be able to dope me up. I watched countless females out of my dorm go to appointments and come back with prescriptions for lithium, and various other medications making their weight uncontrollable, and their appetite extremely high. I looked at the pictures of them before they were sent to BCA and you couldn't believe they were the same people. Folks that never wanted to commit suicide before BCA, were going on medication and that was all they could think of. Granted, this didn't happen with all the people on medication and SOME of the people who were diagnosed correctly and given the right things excelled with it. To be licensed and not diagnose someone correctly is not the most comforting thing. The fact is, Dr. Ullrich BEGGED my mother to give him the ok, and when she said no, he upped the price of the intial visit! (3 times)...
As far as NIBH goes, never been there!
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thank god for ulrich?!? stop yourself for a second! did you see the way some of the kids walked around at CEDU? halfway lifeless, so drugged on ulrich's prescriptions that they became almost completely incapable of expressing some of the most vital emotions? it was disgusting. i saw good and happy kids so pumped full of lithium and resparitol and whatever other meds that they turned into expressionless bags. kids whose parents had them so loaded up on antidepressants and mood stabilizers that when they left and were on their own (and definitely couldnt afford those drugs anymore) they snapped. it was like they werent even real anymore.
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I will give you that. The kids do seem to be overmedicated. I will also tell you that they are the most troubled kids as well. The right dose is probably pretty tricky to adjust, and the nursing staff is quite vigilant in communicating to Ullrich that a change is in order.
It is not a perfect situation, since drastic med changes cannot be made on campus. That is why some kids are shipped off to NIBH, where they can observe the kids and adjust their meds accordingly. Would I like my son on NO MEDS? You bet. I am hopeful that he can be off meds in the near future.
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Oh, and by the way, I do not loathe the therapists. I think they are by and large an inexperienced, young group of professionals who are very well intentioned. But they are way out of their league with this dynamic of clinical issues with the kids.
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most of what you said is true the place is hell its a very strict lockdown and they do drug up the kids there so they wont flip out but the staff there well at least mostn of them are realy chill but i cuondnt stand it there i hate being cuoped up i also gained forty puonds while i was there and i am horribly self conses i never recomend kids that go there its hell
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I know it's hell. I'm not advocating it as party central or a place to go to chill. It is actually quite scary as you say.
I hope you are doing okay now.
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It seems that a lot of people are looking at nibh as black or white. I'll be the first to say that yes, some kids need that place. They need something. But you're right, it's a tricky process, and I think the people involved at cedu are really making a mess of it. NIBH is a good place to make med adjustments, even though I disapprove of meds. I think it's a horrible place to stick a kid because cedu leads him to snap and he socks a kid in the dining hall. I think nibh is overused as an easy place to put a kid who breaks the rules. Isn't that what ascent was for?
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I appreciate your thoughts about the kids being pushed sometimes to snap, and then sent away to NIBH for breaking the violence agreement. But why blame CEDU for it? You have a population of kids who were not making it at home thrown together. Some real bullies, but for the most part, a "soft" group of kids at BCA. (Not the case back in 01 and 02)
And how can you say that you don't believe in meds? It is a proven fact that bipolars must take meds in order to stabilize their manic and depressive phases. Do you know the rate of suicide among bipolars who go off meds? Anxiety disorders are real as well as depression. The combination of cognitive/behavioral/medication approach has been proven to be effective in the most recent medical journals.
Ascent IS being used for OOA behavior. They are now sending kids to Ascent for three days, etc., depending on the circumstances. The only kids who are being sent to NIBH are the ones who need to be there.
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this is to the anonymous poster who said that people with bipolar disorderwill always need medication, that is simply not true, i was diagnosed with it, although i do think that it was a misdiagnoses, but if it is true, that i do have bipolar i do not need medication, i have been off of ALL medication since last march and i am doing well. i have my ups and downs, as does every high school student does. but my art, my friends, and the thought of the great places my life is going (art school and then on to being a professional artist as well as a high school art teacher) helps pull me through the rough patches.
on the subject of medication, i think that medication has made my life far worse than it ever would have been had my parents decided not to put me on ritalin in the first grade. once i was on ritalin they were open to any and all suggestions about other medication for what ever problems that my parents couldnt deal with becuase they never took the time to be parents, they were always to busy with their careers and praising my older sister for her wonderful accomplishments. it seemed as if my father only had time to sign checks that paid for my prescriptions for who knows what psych med i was on at the time. i took ritalin for 7 and a half years only to find out in 7th grade that i never needed it. i have so many medication horror stories, (like getting sent to a psych hospital for a month and a half becuase the doctor prescribed a medication that reacted with something else i was taking and caused me to flip, you would think taht i doctor with any sort of medication kowledge would know what medications mixed and created horrible disasters) it would shock most people what i have been through as a result of medication.. psuch medication is something,that is my choice not to put in my body
i was at Cedu middle school, it wasnt all bad, most of the people taht worked there were awesome, there was way to much medicating of kids. i was on lithium, clonodine (sp?), zyprexa and ritalin, all at the same time. it was horrible, i felt like a zombie, i didnt have much of a personality, plus i gained 30 pounds in the first 3 months or so that i was on lithium. allthough i had taken all of the medication before cedu, for the first 6 months or so, they made no attempt to get me off any unnescesary medication.
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something to think about when considering medication for your children, this is what i told my parents when they wanted to put me back on medication after a year of being off and being fine,
"i want to find my own happiness rather than have mass produced happiness handed to me in cute little pill form."
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Unless you're talking about someone else (then I apologize), here's something for the person that just called me out on my bipolar statement.
I didn't say all kids. I am bipolar. I have never been on a med in my life. I oppose them 100%. I would never let someone force something down my throat - believe me.
But I had two very good friends with bipolar (you know, us disorders chill together), and they were forced onto medications. And it helped them, a bit...they were too numb to hit both ends of the spectrum (that means the good feelings were capped, too). They finally left against their parent's choices so who was going to pay for the meds anymore? They came off of them so severely and suddenly...one day they were taking a pill or two a night, the next they were cold turkey? Fucked them up pretty bad. Don't say that's their own fault.
So no, you don't ALWAYS need meds. I haven't...I like to think I'm doing pretty well for myself, my 'disorder' aside. But it's never black and white now, is it?
Make sure you read and comprehend first before you spout off.
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what you two have said about being bipolar and doing well without meds has certainly given me, as a parent, food for thought. I believe that most parents only want what is best for their children, and that doesn't include drugging them up to feel like zombies.
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i went to NIBH for running away from a cedu school. when i got there i was horrified. seeing a 6 year old little girl get restrained was a little beyond me. there's stuff that happened while i was there that i will never forget. NIBH fucked me up more than 2 1/2 years at RMA. Dr Ullrich is your only ticket out and he only visits you for 15 mins every two weeks. during your apt. with him he will just up your meds and make you a zombie like everyone else. it's 1,000 dollars a day in the acute unit. $500 dollars a day in the residential and less for the social unit. It's a fucked up place with fucked up people. You know it's screwed up when you get in trouble for laughing and you're ordered to sit facing a white wall for 5 minutes (with an oven timer). Laughing must be seen as out of control behavior there.....Ohhhhhhh and can we just say that Lithium is the number one choice for medication.
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Absolutely digusting. And your parents sign a form saying that whatever school you're at can stick you in NIBH for up to THREE DAYS without so much as contacting them? $3000 for poppin' some wiseass kid in the jaw. that's what I saw more than once.
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here you are again. Keep croppin' up everywhere. You are sounding less and less like you are really in this for the kids, and more and more like you have a personal ax to grind with your former employers. The kids aren't stupid, they can see right through you. I can. I really thought that you were sincere to a point... not sure anymore.
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If you were talking about the person who posted right before you, this student definitely didn't work at cedu...
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oh, I think this staff (not student) did work at CEDU.
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I think you're a moron. I was a student at bca. Another example of why you can't take half the things written on here seriously - idiots like you.
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On 2005-02-09 20:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think you're a moron. I was a student at bca. Another example of why you can't take half the things written on here seriously - idiots like you. "
Oh? And exactly how many farm animals did you have sex with? I was at BCA too, and I remember seeing this stuff first hand, and I wathced those mormon BCA staff cover them up, and pretend those incidents never happened!
So please go on your "Mission" someplace else, no one here is interested in what you have to say. And while your at it, stop living in denial!
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mission? farm animals? man, what the hell are you talking about? another idiot
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When I worked at BCA, there were 5 therapist at BCA - they all hated the program, did everything they could to soften the trauma for the kids AND WE WERE ALL LICENSED CLINICALLY AND HIGHLY QUALIFIED. CEDU LIES. Nevertheless, licensing is not even the real issue. The real issue is ethics. Linda Daggy and Ulrich have little in the way of ethics, and almost everything they do is for prestege and especially money. Daggy isn't a great therapist - but not bad, Stanton is great. North Idaho Behavioral Health is exactly what the kids below state. It is a place to drug kids so they will be conformist robots who are easy to control.
I would also like to clear something up. People come in many shades of grey and many temperments. When they are too extreme or a danger to themselves or others, drugs can be helpful, but for the most part, drugs are used by the culture to create social robots that don't bother anyone or upset the social/economic status quo. CEDU is an institution of social control and brainwashing designed (by the mormon church) since Mel sold out (and he was a megalomaniac asshole) to create people who do not question, do not think, and are easy to control. See the the website http://mormonconspiracy/brainwashing/html (http://mormonconspiracy/brainwashing/html). This might be the right spelling/code - if not right search the words. That both CEDU and NIBH are brainwashing camps is a simple truth that cannot be disputed. If you disagree - so what? CEDU will fall no matter what you say because it is dark and evil. Finally, MR was and is a licensed LCSW, and is one of the most cutting edge therapists in the country. He was not fired - he resigned because he would not condone daily violations of state Residential Treatment Center Laws, and daily child abuse violations. When anyone at CEDU gives notice that they are leaving, they are slandered, harassed by human resourses, and led out immediately so that their words about what really goes on will not be taken as credable. MR's "rantings" were true, and many of the parents pulled their kids while others stood up and complained about how CEDU treated MR and lost him as their child's advocate at the parent conference. Basically, MR was praised publically and CEDU was condemned publically by the parents at that conference. It was a disaster for CEDU and an honor for MR. He is an activist for many causes human rights, environmental protection, elder law, and teen rights - see his website http://www.markrist.com (http://www.markrist.com) (I know him and just maybe I am him) and if you don't like that it is because you are probably a victim of a cult. Few at Boulder Creek Academy, Rocky Mountain Academy and Northwest Academy are good people, but some are very good - most of the therapists (and they would not be there and take that abuse except to protect their kids) and some of the staff are good. Nevertheless most of the good ones are quickly detected and run out as soon as it is discovered that they are real, and they really care to protect kids from abusive and illegal practices.
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How about letting MR sing his own praises? If you were a therapist, why don't you talk about yourself?
I was at that conference, and the parents were upset because their child lost their therapist and had to face starting all over with another one. CEDU was not condemned, I was there. Sure, folks were upset, MR wasn't the only therapist that left around that time. They all left. They were a pretty good group. I know, you will say, see??? they left because CEDU is evil. No, they were asked to take over more responsibilities since the RC's were eliminated.
Staff turnover is never easy on the kids.
CEDU may have its problems, but evil? I don't think so.
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Any institution that capitalizes on the misery and suffering of others is indeed EVIL. That's exactly what Cedu does. Cedu exploits family misery for a profit, that's it.
So yes, Cedu is EVIL.
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The loss of MR was a lot worse than the others who left, and anyone that was lucky enough to have sessions or be in a group with him would atest to that. Maybe somewhere, MR is singing his own praise, but while I'm here I'm gonna sing it too. He is one of the brightest people I have met and better at his job than most in his field.
It's thirsty thursday, so wherever you are drinkin' tonight, be sure you raise one up for MR.
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Interesting what you didn't say. Since you do not posess the truth, in the end you only address one issue - The therapist's leaving. Let me clear up the petty controversy that remains. The issue of why the therapists left. You see, I spoke to each and every one of them. intamately about their feelings about CEDU and reasons for leaving.
The truth in your response is that CEDU overloaded them with the duties of the resourse coordinators. That, however is not why they left. They left because management referred to them as "whimps" as they worked 14 to 17 hours a day, because virtually all the benifits they started with were removed, and, because when they said this was unfair to hire someone with an agreement that there are good benifits and then you take them away, it is called a bait and switch, and this is tantamount to getting screwed by cedu in the ass - just like the kids say.
Another reason they left was that staff continued to treat kids in an abusive way and ignored the continual pleas of therapists to stop. About the time we realized that we were lending credubility to an abusive program with our licenses and actually advocating for the continuance of abuse as parent communicators, we told parents as much of the truth as we could get away with. When we told the truth we were harassed. When the harassment failed we were threatened with termination and repeatedly chastized for "not buying in." Staff were directed to remove people who did not "buy in" and the question was even on our employee reviews. The question stated: "Does this employee work to remove those who do not buy in" - Big points for a yes.
There was no mention of what we were expected to buy into, but we knew what they meant. We were to buy into violations of ethical standards written in idaho code, violations of RTC standards, violations of child protection law. We were expected to buy into making sure the kids never received the right to think, to question, to communicate to lovcd ones without censure, the right to practice their religion in the beginning of the program, the right to be a unique individual and the right to humane treatment.
We all knew we did not have a rat's chance in hell of helping the kids from the inside. So we stayed late to allow them a break from the tyranny, some music, some candy, some authentic love and advocacy - in retaliation, we were subject to staff invading our private clinical e mails and private parent communications. We caught the mormons listening in on our private sessions with kids and families. It felt like like the grim reaper was hovering over our heads every minuite. We got sick from the long hours, the harrassment, the bullying and watching kids be abused and then drugged. We didn't want to leave our kids high and dry, and it ate at us. We lost sleep. we worried constantly. Finally when it was our sanity at stake, we chose light over darkness and we quit. This is why all the therapists left and why they turn over constantly. We left because we had a consience, because we were humane, because we cared ourselves into near insanity desperately trying to insulate kids fron deepening darkness and tyranny until we could take no more.
That is why they left. And what was left of your argument is totally demolished.
Goodbye
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Hey Roy,
Thanks to you and the rest of your colleagues for what you tried to do for us. I know what you wrote is the sad truth, and it really is sickening that it all went on like that, but it is definitely good to know that there were people like you there trying to shield us from what CEDU was trying to make you "buy into". Much appreciated.
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Thank you so much. I know I speak for all the therapists when I say that. And, what made it all worth while was, and is, your sincere friendship, respect, and love.
You are all so powerful, you embrace so much of what it meands to be a human being. And, Indeed, you gave us meaning. We listened to your counsel as much as you listened to ours - maybe more.
Your situation gave you wisdom, love, power and grace. And you used it to help your friends and make being there bearable for even us.
I have so many fond memories of you kids coming to my office and making me feel real again in the that vortex of black that that surrounded us and surrounded you all day every day. How you did it I can't imagine. You all were better than any of the staff. You all were better therapists than we.
And to say I honor you is an understatement. I know every one of my kids will go on to lead productive lives "following their bliss." And all of you have the potential to change the world. And you have already done so. Look, you just shut down RMA. Thousands of human beings will wake in their own homes and be hugged by people who really love them, because you took the time and effort to keep exposing the truth that is at the base of that hell they call the "emotional growth industry."
I look forward to seeing many of you - I already have had that blessing quite often. I know that in spite of CEDU, you all are so strong, you can live the lives you have always dreamed of. Sure, we all slip and fall. We all get trapped in negative patterns, but these are gifts given to you in the process of falling and getting up - growth. Such experience lends you compassion for others, gives you the strength to fight for what is right. You made a huge difference.
Remember, it does not matter one whit what others think or say about you. What matters is that you retain the right to think for yourselves, develop your own world view. Make as many mistakes as you can, so you will grow through them. I was given that gift. It is freely given to you by nature or God - whatever you believe. Keep up the effort to shut the remainder of the holes to hell down, but don't let them make you dark like them. You are light, and I love you all. We therapists thank you from the bottom of our hearts for being yourselves, and for giving us the gift of you. We did not lose by way of CEDU. We gained by finding, living, and learning from your humanity.
Thank you all so very much. Do you know my voice? I think so - you lovely "dead poets."
[ This Message was edited by: Roy on 2005-02-11 13:43 ]
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This last final post clearly demonstrated which side represents "light" and which represents darkness.
All posts on this thread taken together show a consistent pattern of humanity and heart verses inhumanity and control.
Sing your own praises -- sing loud, sing free and sing with joy.[ This Message was edited by: Roy on 2005-02-13 18:39 ]
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you are lunatic, get help.
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...says the little punk messing around on his parents computer in the same basement he/she's been living in since they left cedu...
On 2005-02-13 19:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you are lunatic, get help."
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says the whacked out fired staff...with his/her own agenda.
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sorry tough guy, i was a student
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you have said yourself, Roy, that you were staff.
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I'm not Roy!! Just because I'm anonymous and adding my two cents? I was just responding as an outsider looking in on your little squabble with Roy. Is it so hard to believe that someone might actually agree with Roy? Do I even sound like Roy..? I was BCA '99 through '02.
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The whole mantra about a kid living in his parent's basement is SOS's old signature insult---seems his parents were so crappy/and or he was such a crappy son that living in the parental home was about the worst thing he could think of to say---
What happened, old boy---did ya get cold feet about posting with a user name---after all the times you blasted other people for posting anon---
Oh well, it jsut goes to show: people who live in glass houses....
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On 2005-02-14 11:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The whole mantra about a kid living in his parent's basement is SOS's old signature insult---seems his parents were so crappy/and or he was such a crappy son that living in the parental home was about the worst thing he could think of to say---
What happened, old boy---did ya get cold feet about posting with a user name---after all the times you blasted other people for posting anon---
Oh well, it jsut goes to show: people who live in glass houses...."
When I post something DW, I make sure to sign it. I'm suprised you haven't realized that by now, considering how long you've been stalking me.
The truth is I don't know who wrote that about you,and I can't help it if other posters make use of my old "Mantra".
There's a very simple explanation for all of this,here it is:
OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO THINKS YOU'RE A DICKLESS FRUITCAKE!!!
Still can't stop obsessing about me, can you Mr.Dickless Cult Freak? Are you perhaps feeling a little paranoid? Are you Afraid that I'll find you and make good on my promise? Believe me, I haven't forgotten my promise to you...You were very stupid to threaten my wife at that other website.
Like I told you before, I won't play anymore of your games anon troll. The next time I respond to you, Mr. Dickless Wonder, it will be in person.
.[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2005-02-15 05:14 ]
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that was me who posted that. and obviously you take the whole basement thing to heart..maybe you should look in the mirror instead of attacking serb..?
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Who are you? Sigmund Freud?? I should "take the whole basement thing to heart? Maybe you aren't SOS, maybe you are--what I'm saying is that's been one of his tired old lines, stemming (we believe) from the fact that his family is so screwed that the idea of living with parents is like a curse to him that he throws around now and then
And Serbovich---some enlightenment for you--if that's possible---I know that a few weeks back you got your ass whipped over at the cedualumni site (so bad in fact that it still probably looks like the stripes on a barber pole)---but I'm not the one who made the remarks about your wife---who probably has enough trouble, poor woman---
You've got to get over this idea that ONE POSTER is making fun of you---believe me you've almost got a club out there fascinated by your antics and neuroses
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Well, if you call a bunch of programmed sheep threatening me, making up lies about me and my family, and then insisting they are the absolute truth "whipping my ass", well, then I guess there's no point in me agruing with you about that.
Like I told you over there, at the LAME ASS CEDU ALUMNI SITE, you're played out. Cedu Staff couldn't silence me using these tactics 15 years ago, and you certainly won't do it now.
I know there's more than 1 Anon whose been attacking me...who else would beat off with the Dickless Wonder in his smoosh circle? And I have in fact referred to you "Smoosh Circle Jerks" in a number of my posts.
I'm really not interested in anything CEDU Sheep say about me, so please by all means coninue... because without me, you idiots would have nothing to talk about...and you're doing a fine job proving my point.
However, one of you cult freaks was stupid enough to threaten my wife. I have to take that seriously. This particular Dickless Wonder will answer for what he's said. I will find him.
And when I do, if by chance I happen to catch the rest of your names while DW pleads for his life...I'll be sure to pass that information along to EVERYONE.
You will not silence me. I will continue to post everything I saw and heard at Cedu. Your cult has hurt thousands of Children over the past 30 years, and embezzled millions of dollars from their families. I will continue to name abusive cedu staff directly and I will continue to post everything I know about their crimes...
And I've noticed that this last part is what upsets you Cedu sheep the most about me. Good, because I'll keep it coming, and there isn't a damn thing you can say or do to stop me.
On the subject of "Glass Houses"? You anon Cedu Sheep defend the ultimate Glass House on the internet Every Day! One bad thing about building with glass though, Glass on it's own is not a structurally sound material,no matter how thick it is, if you put enough pressure on glass, it will always shatter.... Just like RMA Did!!!
::bwahaha::
Now, I was serious when I said I won't waste anymore time responding to you freaks, SO BEAT IT!!! (That's the one thing even you know how to do!)
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[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2005-02-15 08:55 ]
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Cuz it's really fun hearing you say (in hugebig posts) again and again and again--that you have nothing more to say---I kinda think you do though Serbovich--let's face it---you like to hear yourself go on and on
Yeah I thought the cedu alumni responses were too much---but then again I guess what your many opponents were really saying was: "Don't come here you little loser-punk, and disrespect what is important to us---or we'll show you how it feels by attacking what is important to you, your family". Hope you learned something from it---you must have---you don't got there anymore
As for tracking people down grow the fuck up--you can't even find your way out of the paranoia and hate trap that youre in----how are you going to find people int he real word
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serb,
Why do you play into these people's hands? Take the high road, don't react. You are an adult, you have a good job, and a family, act like you do. If you respond, which you certainly have the right to, then do it with dignity. When you yell, scream, curse, you lose credibility.
Teach the losers around this site how to be a grown up. We can all agree to disagree without namecalling and threats.
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I disagree. These people have gone beyond the pail in defending CEDU. I joined cedualumni.com and introduced myself pleasantly enough only to return and discover that someone had started writing and threatening me! What? I asked myself what the hell was wrong with these people. Then they came here and started being inciting and racist. The former a meer inconvenience, the latter (in my mind) reprehensible enough to draw static. I won't tolerate racism where I am...I am here, and I feel comfortable with REGISTERED MEMBERS here, and I feel ownership to this site, having torn open a wound from long ago and posted at length. For myself. To hear from some of the only intelligent people I know who have been where I have. I care. These trolling visitors are fucking it up, and they weren't here so much before.
SOS should be pissed, though he has already shown more restraint than I might...about threats to himself and his FAMILY? Fuck that. Find 'em. It's worth it. These trolls are more than a nuisance, they're making out checks that their bodies can't cash.
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On 2005-02-15 12:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"serb,
Why do you play into these people's hands? Take the high road, don't react. You are an adult, you have a good job, and a family, act like you do. If you respond, which you certainly have the right to, then do it with dignity. When you yell, scream, curse, you lose credibility.
Teach the losers around this site how to be a grown up. We can all agree to disagree without namecalling and threats."
I thank you for your insight, and I see where you are coming from Anon. That's why I won't respond to their empty words, or let them distract me anymore.
However,I also agree with blown away that these cowards have crossed way over the line in defending CEDU.
I refuse to respond to their hatred anymore.
I won't be bogged down by pointless arguements with sheep. I really don't care what losers like them think of me anyway.
But, I will find the Dickless piece shit who threatened my wife. He has crossed the point of no return. I will find him and he will answer for what he's said. He will learn a very painful lesson.
These TROLLS don't seem to understand that Cedu are not the only people with money & resources. The task of tracking someone down may seem impossible for them, but it is quite possible for me.
If and when I ever do visit the LAME ASS CEDU ALUMNI SITE again, it will be to post the DICKLESS WONDER'S legal name and Address. I'll even let him know ahead of time that I'm coming for him, just because I'm a good sport.
Don't worry, I'll post his name and address here at fornits too.
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[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2005-02-16 05:38 ]
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Snap!
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After you break the little punk, you should stand over him and piss on him. Now that would be some good shit.
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Serb has always been a valuable and intelligent contributer to this site. I an grateful for his outspokenness and his thought on CEDU _ By the way, They are all true - from the "dickless" "lame" alum site to the abusive cult and annon with cedu's dick up his ... and likes it. Keep up the good work serb.
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get a life, Roy.
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On 2005-02-16 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"get a life, Roy."
sorry but i agree with roy. i've read what sos has written about cedu, his analysis of cedu, the abusive staff there, and their worthless emotional growth program is dead on! sos brings a lot of great things to the table,so does roy, and this site is a better place because of them. it's the trolls like you who need to get a life!
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Amen
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On 2005-02-15 11:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
As for tracking people down grow the fuck up--you can't even find your way out of the paranoia and hate trap that youre in----how are you going to find people int he real word"
Personally, I'd start out w/ the Art Institute of Pittsburgh.
Oh! Did I say that????
My point is that you're only as anonymous here as your behavior merits. There are limits. If you give someone enough incentive to find out who you are and to bring it back to you, it'll happen.
I really, really would think about apologising to SOS and his wife if I were you.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle
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Up your tired old twat---I apologize for nothing--not to you or Queen of Serbia
When will you two psychopaths get it through your dense skulls: there is not ONE poster that is fencing with SOS: there are many---I bet in many different places---I know of 2 others here and not one of us three of the source of the really bashing cedualumn posts
Where I am--hundreds if not thousands of people post every month without personal sign-in---many places are like that which you may or may not know
So really all you find oftentimes when you choose to cyberstalk (that's what your doing BTW when you aid the Serb and other nuts as you try to do here Antigen) is a computer site---not an individual poster
So if I were Serbia or you Antigen--thank god I'm not---I'd be careful about naming anybody on this page without being damn sure of being right: it's spell LIBEL folks and it carries hefty penalties
So does cyberstalking
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On 2005-02-17 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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So if I were Serbia or you Antigen--thank god I'm not---I'd be careful about naming anybody on this page without being damn sure of being right: it's spell LIBEL folks and it carries hefty penalties
So does cyberstalking
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do you troll morons even know the meaning of the word "libel?" i've been reading up on your posts for a while now, here and at the other site. all you anon trolls ever do is make libelous statements about other people! you have all gone to great lengths to label bryan felcher, ginger, serb, and a whole bunch of other people as a deranged, junkie, psychopathic,antisocial, criminal, losers. also at the cedu alumni site, several of you anons posted that you "know for a fact" that sos's father physically abused and molested him, yet none of you even know the guy's real name---and you dare accuse serb or ginger of libel? shame on you. libel is the cedu way, it the first tactic that cedu resorts to when anyone questions great example of this. personally i can't wait until sos finds the guy who threatened his wife.
oh and btw, threatening to rape someone's wife is also a crime,since it technically constitutes assault, you stupid fuck!
hey serb, when you do find this loser, make sure you hit that bitch a few times for me, okay?
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Dear dumb ass--the point is that only certain anons said any given thing---if you post their names and accuse them of something another anon said or did---you take the legal hit---whether you like CEDU or not
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Please, a legal hit? I'm not gonna call you out just because I don't think you deserve it, but are you really threatening to press charges over someone calling you a pussy on a message board? Truly pathetic. Whoever you are.
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On 2005-02-08 13:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
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As far as MR goes, yes, I heard he was liked by some. When he left, he wrote the parent board the most outrageous letter and sounded like a paranoid schizophrenic, very unstable. His rantings and ravings totally discredited him in the eyes of the parents.
I've heard various versions of this story. Would have loved to have seen the letter for myself. Your words are pretty strong on defamation and low on content. Paranoid Schizophrenia is an Axis I Mental Health Disorder and requires training and a license to diagnose. Do you have one? What did Mark say that you disagreed with? What statements did you think were schizophrenic, paranoid, unstable or mere rants and raves?
Most of the issues on this board are very serious issues. It helps to get beyond black and white thinking when discussing them.
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Never mind NIBH. It's all about SIBS now.
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On 2005-04-06 09:08:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
"Never mind NIBH. It's all about SIBS now."
OK Mr. IP tracker man. I'm a drunk, 30 year old, ex-Cedu grad, who is totally messed up. Come and get me. Yea! The Sidsmobile.
Let's see if this shit is real! (laughing...)
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I must say that I'm glad to hear that you've decided to make the sensible choice and comply with SIBS. Much better for you not to put up a fight, trust me on that one. Essentially, you have chosen to do the best thing that someone in your situation could ever do (something which many people seem to have a lot of trouble with) and that is to admit that you are powerless- powerless over DRUGS. That's the first step. We at SIBS unconditionally guarantee that so long as you utilize the tools of personal change in all your daily affairs that you will get straight despite the desperation that you may be feeling right now.
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Fucktard and newton are both friends of Ginger..they are totally bullshitting..they arent the REAL Dr. Newton, who, on his own is a loony tune in his own right but doubt VERY seriously he has friends named Fucktard or posts on this forum.
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yeah, great friends. If they were my friends, I would be embarrassed.
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then you have no sense of humor
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it's just not funny - I can appreciate humor. it's tired and OLD.
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Fucktard aka Newton must have no life. They, or should I say he, posts constantly thinking he is getting a shitload of laughs, but he is really as funny as a cemetery. It is really pathetic.
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On 2005-04-08 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fucktard aka Newton must have no life. They, or should I say he, posts constantly thinking he is getting a shitload of laughs, but he is really as funny as a cemetery. It is really pathetic."
Actually I'm LMAO reading all this. Even funnier dumb asses like you are getting so angry over something harmless!
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Who said I am getting angry, you twat, I am just pointing out a fact.
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I want to thank Mark and the other therapists who care about professional ethics, integrity, and the vulnerable students. You are all heroes to me. It only took us one conference to figure out what was going on and pull our student. No body needed to say a thing. All we needed to do was to listen, observe, work through our own fears, and listen to our student!!!
There is a difference between advocating for your child and enabling your child! Gregg was right. We knew our child best. Thanks to you all.
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On 2005-02-08 13:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's a double-edged sword. Those "life-saving" characters that you speak so highly of rely very heavily on reports made by those under-qualified program staff members that you seem to loathe so much.
If decisions need to be made that outweigh the abilities of cedu staff, then they should be made by an outside clinician who is very familiar and acquainted with how those schools work. Not by someone who is on the inside like Ulrich and is going to benefit in multiple financial aspects from the decisions he makes. I understand that any doctor is going to be driven by a financial standpoint, but in Ulrich's case it just seems to be even more so.
As for MR, I'm still friends with him today. He was the kind of guy that could help you in so many ways if you connected. If not, well, there were plenty of other clinicians there, and it was never a problem to request to switch...I'm still friends with the man today. "
Yes, this is what struck me. The possible conflict of interest and the closed loop. Who is the client, anyway? Cedu or the kid?
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yeah, great friends. If they were my friends, I would be embarrassed.
it's just not funny - I can appreciate humor. it's tired and OLD.
Fucktard aka Newton must have no life. They, or should I say he, posts constantly thinking he is getting a shitload of laughs, but he is really as funny as a cemetery. It is really pathetic.
::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: :nworthy: :lol:
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On 2005-04-13 11:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yeah, great friends. If they were my friends, I would be embarrassed.
it's just not funny - I can appreciate humor. it's tired and OLD.
Fucktard aka Newton must have no life. They, or should I say he, posts constantly thinking he is getting a shitload of laughs, but he is really as funny as a cemetery. It is really pathetic.
::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: :nworthy: :wave:
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WHy don't you do your job instead of messaging on this board? Your A CREEP!
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WHy don't you do your job instead of messaging on this board? Your A CREEP!
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hey my name is shayla im 14, i went to NIBH it scared me when i was there, when i went home i was scared of people touching me and loud noises :skull: so i hope that gives you a little infomation about NIBH.
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[ This Message was edited by: providence on 2005-12-01 12:15 ]
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So as far as the "therapy" given by the therapists on staff at BCA and RMA, I'll be the first one to agree that they are not qualified. You see real therapy when Linda Daggy, one of the liscenced therapists, comes to the campus to see her kids and work with the staff to help them understand how best to work with the kids. The staff are receptive to the suggestions of both Linda Daggy and Dr. Ullrich.
Saw this all the way back on page 1...
Linda Daggy has a lisence now? She's ex-RMA staff. I was there when she was a counselor. It's nice that she has a lisence, but if she's still using her RMA training from before, I'd hardly call it "real therapy".
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Haha did they really shoot kids in the ass with tranq's when they got all fired up?
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July 25, 2004
Warning on Schizophrenia Drug
The maker of a popular medicine for schizophrenia has notified doctors that it minimized potentially fatal safety risks and made misleading claims about the drug in promotional materials.
The company, Janssen Pharmaceutica Products, sent a two-page letter to health care workers this week to clarify the risks of the drug, Risperdal, Carol Goodrich, a spokeswoman for Janssen, a Johnson & Johnson subsidiary, said Saturday.
The letter stems from a directive issued last year by the Food and Drug Administration, which told several makers of antipsychotic drugs to update their product labels.
Janssen complied in November 2003, but the agency determined that the company's promotional materials still minimized the risk of strokes, diabetes and other potentially fatal complications. The agency also said Janssen had made misleading claims that the medication was safer than similar drugs.
Ms. Goodrich said the agency wanted the company to provide more information, ''so that is why further notification was done.''
The Miami Herald reported on Saturday that a handful of boys in Florida developed lactating breasts after taking Risperdal.
The drug, which is prescribed to more than 10 million people worldwide, was cited in a federal lawsuit filed earlier this month by a doctor who claimed that children were harmed and even killed by the misuse of drugs he attributed to aggressive marketing by drug manufacturers.
Risperdal is the leading drug used to combat schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders, and earns Janssen about $2.1 billion in annual sales. The drug was first marketed about eight years ago.
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