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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 31, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
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I am new here, very curious who this person is that is so judgmental on most comments. Are you a victim, parent, professional, or maybe just someone bored in Joe's Apt? It seems that he/she is very opinionated and I wish I knew more aobut this person. Does anyone know or does he/she want to share? We should know as viewers your background since you are very vocal h ere.
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On 2005-01-31 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am new here, very curious who this person is that is so judgmental on most comments. Are you a victim, parent, professional, or maybe just someone bored in Joe's Apt? It seems that he/she is very opinionated and I wish I knew more aobut this person. Does anyone know or does he/she want to share? We should know as viewers your background since you are very vocal h ere. "
Why don't you just do a search and read through his posts? He has stated here before why he feels the way he does and why he has taken an interest in this issue. It's not mine or anyone else's place to speak for him.
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Nihilantic? Never heard of the guy.
You may be thinking of Nihilanthic. If you actually bother to read his posts you will find he has told us quite a lot about himself. You may even learn how to spell his name.
We should know as viewers your background since you are very vocal h ere.
And you have a bag over your head because ...? Surely it is opinions that matter. If you find it so hard to argue with his opinions that you are seeking ways to discredit him it doesn't say much for your argument.
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I dont think I am discreditng him/her at all. I am asking a question. Why the defense? Now that raising some quesitons. Sorry if I misspelled the name, guess it is a typo. As a new comer I trying to understand all this. My neigbors son was placed in one of these programs and I seeking information, and want to know the sources. I am not sure why you are attacking me, and frankly, your bag is the same color as mine. Sorry I asked.
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On 2005-01-31 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont think I am discreditng him/her at all. I am asking a question. Why the defense? Now that raising some quesitons. Sorry if I misspelled the name, guess it is a typo. As a new comer I trying to understand all this. My neigbors son was placed in one of these programs and I seeking information, and want to know the sources. I am not sure why you are attacking me, and frankly, your bag is the same color as mine. Sorry I asked. "
Oh come on now. In all fairness you didn't start out in the most polite manner
Are you a victim, parent, professional, or maybe just someone bored in Joe's Apt?
But anyway, go thru and read his posts. He answers your question.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/search.php?t ... mit=Search (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=&addterms=any&forum=all&search_username=Nihilanthic&sortby=p.post_time&searchboth=both&submit=Search)
or better yet, email him and ask him.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.p ... &user=1195 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=1195)
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Nihilanthic ROCKS!
Not just one of Fornit's brilliant and compassionate posters, but also someone who has a finger on the pulse of the teen hurt industry and calls it like it is.
Thanks Nihilanthic! I really enjoy your posts and always read what you have to say (along with a couple of other posters) unlike Buzzkill who irritates me with their consistent holier-than-thou b.s. and Teen Hurt industry apologist M.O.
moo
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On 2005-01-31 11:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
moo
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:rofl: :rofl:
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He is immature and very rude and clueless!!!
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moo means "my own opinion" in case you didn't know.
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On 2005-01-31 11:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"moo means "my own opinion" in case you didn't know."
Oh, well it's not nearly as funny then. I got quite a chuckle out of it when I thought it was plain old "moo". :lol:
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Immature, very rude, clueless?
That's the perception of a program apologist.
You mean, you disagree with him, or don't like his opinion?
I find him
Honest and Confrontational, Skeptical and Indignant, and Very well informed.
Confrontational doesn't feel so good when the shoe's on the other foot, now does it?
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Wow, this is interesting! I'm now a pundit! So, to people who just gave me a complement, thanks! :wave: I really didnt expect that to be honest but It still makes me feel good all the same.
That "how can I help" post was my very first one and does explain it rather nicely I think. The search button is great. Thanks to the anon who made a link!
And well... not much has changed. I've gotten to know some great people, and some not so great people, and some fucking morons. I have seen some new developments in this cause, especially the mexican program closings and the PURE vs WWASPS lawsuit.
Yeah, I'm indignant. So what? I'm in a sea of the best and worst of humanity when I'm in this forum. When dipshits like OWC shows up or programmie parnets spew bullshit, why even bother being dignified or restrained? Its not like a damn thing I'll say will influcnce them either way, so I might as well vent off some steam.
Those people who are here to help, and to spread the truth, thank you so much. Those who are programmed, I feel sorry for you, but until you pull your head out of the program's ass you're still the enemy to people who have been, are being, or will be hurt by this damn racket.
Those who dont have mental manipulation as an excuse, up yours. Your time is coming, no conspiracy or racket or corruption lasts forever.
I got into this because I saw it was horrific and I give a damn about my fellow human beings. If I step on some toes and get pissed off trying to get to the bottom of this, tough shit. I couldnt even begin to approach the level of encroachment and roughness that a seminar had for the children FORCED into them, nor do I leave people fucked up in the head.I don't go lookin' for trouble. I just keep a little in a box should someone come by who is.
--Bill Warbis
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If your neighbors son was put in a program, I suggest you find out the name of hte program, the reasons for being sent, the circumstances of it, etc.
Ask your neighbor if he even talks to his kid, and if there is anything preventing or censoring communication with him and his kid.
If you want to see sources, well, half of it is the survivors themselves, the other half is websites like http://www.ISACcorp.org (http://www.ISACcorp.org)
I *STRONGLY* recommend you read that, and if you know the program, specific information to that program, and get the neighbors to read about this. You might also want to contact Chi3 who just recently removed her girl from a program. If you want some proof that its bullcrap from a parent who just had her kid taken out, well, there you go.
Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Niles,
Out of curiosity what is your take on me?
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Sharp and very self-motivated. Brighter and stronger than most people but vulnerable to the same vulnerabilities everyone else seems to be. You also have a insane cat.
And you didnt answer the phone last night :razz:
The legislature is to society as a physician is to the patient. If a physician ignored side effects of medications like today's legislators ignore the side effects of their legislation, the physician would be accused of malpractice. I accuse today's legislators (with rare exception) of legislative malpractice. Many of the ills that are so obvious in our society are a direct result of previous legislation. Their solution? More laws!
-- John A. Bennett, DO
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On 2005-02-01 00:18:00, Perrigaud wrote:
"Niles,
Out of curiosity what is your take on me? "
You didn't ask my take, but I'll give it.
I think you're a smart and strong young lady, a survivor, and I think that as you get older you're going to do a very good job of drawing from your own program experience, and from what you've seen happen in other programs (good and bad) to become a very good advocate of safe, sane, ethical and effective treatment for kids who (for whatever reasons) are having a difficult time navigating through adolescence.
I think you're a compassionate young lady, and I'm going to be interested to see what you ultimately do with your many talents.
TimocleaIt (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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Thanks! :grin: Sorry Niles. I forgot my phone at my friends. I don't know the number by heart but Ill be calling tomorrow. I'll call you soon. Thanks Timoclea. Time will tell. Oh, and I am working on completing my education to be a juvinile diversion coordinator.
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Niles,
How exciting! You have become a pudit! I have to put in my two cents and say you are a very kind person to those who are seeking kindness, to those who aren't......... Ayway, I will be glad to tell anyone our "program" experience, it is not nearly as bad as some poor souls have had to endure, but it was a very traumatic experience for us all. My daughter was just accepted into a very prestigous college prep boarding school!!!! She is very excited, and will start today. She will have the opportunity to take all the college courses she would like, and plans on attending school this summer so that she may be a senior next year instead of a junior. Everyone please keep her in your thoughts that she may continue to keep her head on straight. I aprreciate everyone who has been here for us, you guys have been great! Perri, I would like to say that you are a sweet and considerate person not because of the program, but in spite of the program. I think you will use your experience to better the lives of others. You have a bright future, please take full advantage of it! To the person whose neighbor has a child in the program, please get him some REAL information. He will not get it from the "school." A lot of people that work at these places are not monsters, so it is very hard to find out what really goes on in them. Tell him to do his homework, I did.
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crazy
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I'm crazy? Why not back it up with some facts? :grin:
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
--Thomas Paine
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Besides whose to say what crazy really is? One could argue that anyone is crazy.
Thanks chi3.
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Chi3---I'm so glad for your daughter. It sounds like she will do very well. Best wishes for your family in future.
Timoclea
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On 2005-02-02 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"crazy"
Once upon a time, there was a man who got himself a flat tire right outside the state mental hospital.
As he got out to change the flat, he was made uncomfortable by noticing that one of the patients was standing just inside the fence, arms rested on the back of the fence, watching him.
Well, he got the jack and his spare and proceeded to change his tire. He had the new tire in place and was ready to screw on the lug nuts when he noticed that they'd rolled away. To his dismay, he noticed the storm drain. Worried, he asked the patient, still watching him, "Did my lug nuts roll down there?"
"Yep."
"Oh my god. I'm stranded." He checks his phone, but he can't get a signal. "No signal. What the hell am I gonna do? I'm stranded."
After about five minutes of watching, the patient says, "Why don't you take one lug nut off of each of the other three wheels, put them on the spare, and go slow until you get to the service station?"
The man looks up, like a light's gone on behind his eyes, and does it, and then before he leaves, he's just gotta ask, "You...you...Why are you in there?"
"I'm crazy, not stupid."
Timoclea
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So now I've got a few nuts loose or something? :eek:
To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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Crazy? No. A bit eccentric? A little. Intellingence always seems to come with a splash of craziness (or what others view as crazy).
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On 2005-02-04 14:14:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"So now I've got a few nuts loose or something? :eek: To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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No, Niles, *I'm* crazy. I have bipolar disorder (type II). It's one of the major mental illnesses. I'm one of the "maniacs" your mother warned you about.
I commented on it because I am, understandably, rather sensitive about the garden-variety perception of "nuts." Especially since, being extremely high function (which you could maybe sympathize with being high function with aspergers), I find that on my medication I'm often the sanest person in the room. It's incongruous, and it's an odd experience, but, well, there it is. I respond really well to medication, so I get good results.
But the other really odd experience to come to terms with is that people who are either mentally ill or eccentric and not treated or not responding well to treatment---people who are walking around actively nuts---well, I can perceive the same problems with their altered perceptions of reality and the results of same as anybody else could.
So while I will talk about someone disconnected from reality the same way anyone else does, "He's fookin' nuts!" At the same time I'm sensitive to, "He's crazy," used as an insult. Because a lot of times people say "crazy" when they mean "stupid."
In other words, the allegation pushed *my* buttons, for obvious reasons.
One of the unpleasant things you (generic "you") have to deal with a lot when you're "crazy"--you have a mental illness---but also "sane"---you're on meds and high function---is people who are functionally crazier than you are in their day to day life trying to be paternalistic and assert that *their* (crazy) rules should control *your* life.
Dealing with that over and over again makes me a bit hypersensative on the subject.
The programs are a special case of that, since a lot of the mentally ill kids that get stuck in programs would be saner than their parents and a lot of the other people around them if they were just stabilized on the right (for them and their individual biochemistry) meds, and often sticking them in programs actively prevents them getting good care from a competent psychiatrist that could/would get them stabilized on the right meds. I can really identify with such kids and it evokes a "there but for the grace of God go I" reaction.
There are a lot of people here to advocate for the kids who don't need to be on *any* medication to keep them from being given potentially dangerous psychotropic drugs against their will and against their medical best interests.
But who's here to advocate for the "nuts" kids who *need* medication---and need it under the care of a *competent* pediatric psychiatrist to make sure it's the *right* medication(s) in the right doses for that kid and gets properly adjusted as needed (and in adolescence, adjustments *will* be needed)?
Who's here to advocate for those kids who don't need a Program, they just need (and *really* need) the right meds?
Pretty much nobody but me, that's who.
So my relaying that joke was *not* my way of saying "you're crazy, Niles." It was my way of saying, "Yeah, *I'm* crazy. You wanna make something of it, buddy? *Smile* when you say that, pardner." [insert best scary manic grin here]
Capiche?
Timoclea
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Just fyi, aspergers only made it hard for me to socially interact. non-literal speech and emotioanl interpretation, and properly SENDING the right signals was a problem.
When I was 19 and they finally found out that was the prob and I got some speech therapy, I turned out just fine.
Also, the few nuts loose comment was a joke, because of the story about lugnuts. I didnt mean to irritate you.Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Thomas Jefferson, 1787
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On 2005-02-06 11:27:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
Also, the few nuts loose comment was a joke, because of the story about lugnuts. I didnt mean to irritate you.
I thought that was funny as hell! And I think you've got the nonliteral speech thing down pretty good. Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist
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I asked a psycotherapist friend of mine to do some psycoanalysis on this Niles person. She said Niles is acting out anger from his past that he has not been able to let go of.He is angry that he never went to a progam to get the help he needed, thus resulting in the person he is today. He does not want others to get help becuse he feels it is not right if they get help because he never got help. Misery loves company.She said it is time for Niles to let go and redirect his anger to helping instead of his current path. That was her psycoanalysis of Niles.
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Above post was me. BSarro. Have to remember to sign my name.
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On 2005-03-03 14:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I asked a psycotherapist friend of mine to do some psycoanalysis on this Niles person. She said Niles is acting out anger from his past that he has not been able to let go of.He is angry that he never went to a progam to get the help he needed, thus resulting in the person he is today. He does not want others to get help becuse he feels it is not right if they get help because he never got help. Misery loves company.She said it is time for Niles to let go and redirect his anger to helping instead of his current path. That was her psycoanalysis of Niles. "
Third party, anonymous, internet psycho-therapy! I smell a new faction of the self help industry coming. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.
--Ambrose Bierce
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It's the truth you smell. I can only hope that someday all of you message board people claiming to want to help see that they are wrong and redirect their behavior in a positive fashion that is REALLY helpful, not in their current thinking of helpfulness.
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I don't want any help from you nor am I offering you any.
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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On 2005-03-03 14:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I asked a psycotherapist friend of mine to do some psycoanalysis on this Niles person. She said Niles is acting out anger from his past that he has not been able to let go of.He is angry that he never went to a progam to get the help he needed, thus resulting in the person he is today. He does not want others to get help becuse he feels it is not right if they get help because he never got help. Misery loves company.She said it is time for Niles to let go and redirect his anger to helping instead of his current path. That was her psycoanalysis of Niles. "
:rofl: :rofl:
Youre funny! You really are!
Now, time to tell you whats really going on in my mind:
First, I am angry about my past. I had a shitty ass childhood. Due to my father and the schools I was in being apathetic to me and my needs and problems (despite it being their JOBS to help me) and having little to no aid with the fact that I was an undiagnosed autistic with no social skills and limited abilities to communicate, it was misery most of the time. Dealing with my so-called peers being either exasperated wth my misunderstandings, or being outright malicious at me, and a lot of the adults in my life were uncaring or unwilling to offer any aid.
One time in 5th grade I chewed out my teacher for being such an apathetic bitch. I was thrown on my back by a few bullies onto the stumps from some bushes and small trees recently cut down to the ground to clear it, and I was cut and bleeding. I told her and she just looked at me and went back to yacking with the other teachers. The principal of that school gave her a piece of his mind for me, at least. He was a good guy.
Middle school... utter misery, the one good day was the last.
Highschool was different. By then I'd grown large enough to physically intimidate the bad apples out of bothering me too much. Turns out when respect and friendship and acceptance doesnt work, a counter-threat does. Ironically this lead to them respecting me.
The teachers and faculty didnt talk down to me anymore, and I had self-taught at least rudimentary social skills by then. I had always been intelligent and somehow perceptive (but not able to communicate well) and earned their respect. Also, if a teacher pulled shit on me, I was tall enough to look down MY nose to THEM and tell them they were full of it, and they had to listen, because I was right. Fortunately, it was only Mr Coleman, and he HAD to be smoking something or just acting like a putz to get out of any real responsibility.
So... yeah, guess what? I AM pissed off. On top of my bullshit school experience I had an apathetic somewhat (not as bad as the shit I see her) abusive father who my mom booted out when I was 9. I have ZERO tolerance for people hurting kids because when I was a kid I was hurt. I suffered constantly. I cant STAND watching kids suffer. I just got put on prozac instead of having my real problems addressed... treating the symptom and not the problem, as usual.
I also have the utmost contempt for bullshit from "authority". I can not stand people in positions of power not doing their job responsibly and not caring for the people they have authority over. I cant stand watching them hurt kids. I cant stand them simply getting off on their authority, and control, and saying shit like "respect for authority" or using excuses such as "I am the adult" or "I am the parent" to excuse purely arbitrary decisions.
I'm not out to prevent others being helped, far from it! I want them helped into having self esteem, HAPPINESS (which people seem to forget as important these days, as suffering is 'character building') a true actual bond with their family intsead of adolescent servitude, and none of that bullshit about how bad it is that "teens" (I HATE THAT WORD) are too "entitled" these days!
I want to PREVENT these fucking programs which push ALL of my buttons and seem to be nothing more than institutionalized versions of childhood misery for the sole purpose of breaking a child and making them OBEDIENT. Maybe I am angry becuase I wasnt helped until I as 19 and really learned how to communicate with and understand people! But thats hardly ammunition for me to sadistically try to go out and try to stop others from being helped.
These stupid programs are NOT help and I'm not out to prevent help. I'm out to STOP THE FUCKING SUFFERING IN THOSE HELLHOLES and let them have a chance to get REAL HELP. I'd want them to have a REAL loving family and not some tough-love servitude-oriented bullshit where its all about the emotional and power gratification of the authority figures.
Let go of my anger? Sure, when I dont have to have the thoughts in the back of my mind of other children suffering worse than I did and I remember about how badly it hurt me, and what I went through cant compare to this bullshit. Period.
And as far as redirecting to helping... thats what I'm doing here! Helping the voices of reason drown out the idiots such as you, who just want to keep pushing programs either blindly or becuase youre been manipulated, that just continue to hurt children and teenagers in the name of obedience and pleasing the 'customers'.
I'm NOT letting go. I cant. I'm one of those rare stoics who care about others. I cant just forget the suffering of others.
To Ginger, Joyce, and anyone else I said I had to go on Hiatus... I'm having a lot of shit going on in my life. But I realized now that I will be able to work through this bullshit, but I wont fill my days fully. Plus, this will be in my mind, always. I'll remember this SHIT for the rest of my life. I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying involved in this until I die or this ends.
I wil admit, though, this ANONYMOUS posting did make me realize something. This is helping me reconcile my shitty past. I am acting out of anger, but so others wont suffer anymore. I didnt try to get Chi3 to open her eyes and get her daughter out because I wanted to hurt someone, I did it because I'm pissed at those who hurt people, especially kids, and I cant stand to see it happen anymore. If I help someone else I can let some anger go because I know I prevented someone from suffering the torment I faced.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.
George Washington
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Wow! :nworthy:
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Your thinking and opinions are welcomed and appreciated.
Thanks for caring!
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On 2005-03-03 15:42:00, BSarro wrote:
"It's the truth you smell. I can only hope that someday all of you message board people claiming to want to help see that they are wrong and redirect their behavior in a positive fashion that is REALLY helpful, not in their current thinking of helpfulness."
I couldn't agree more!! That's why we're opening the new faith based Straight Inc. by the Sea. We'll re-direct that behavior REAL quickly!!
BSarro, all this crazy talk is just a by-product of their drug infested brains. Not to worry, we'll have them fixed up in no time!!!!
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Distillation
Nihilanthic - Your post made me remember something from years ago.
One sunny day someone left a glass jar of distilled water on a porch rail. The sun struck the jar and the water inside to create a focused ray that fell upon a pile of trash, leaves and discarded paint rags, on the ground below.
The pile smouldered and was flaming fiercely when the neighbor noticed and telephoned the householder. Burnt to hot white ash in minutes.
Your anger, pure and clean, is a lens! Keep it! Polish it!
(PS Don't let anyone tell you that you are a poor communicator, it's just that many folks are poor listeners, or maybe just don't like what you have to say.)You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.
--Charles Austin Beard
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//I am acting out of anger, but so others wont suffer anymore//
This kind of anger is called righteous indignation.
One well known example is Christ's turning over the tables of the Temple vendors; and also, His often expressed anger with those in authority who proclaim their goodness and truth, when instead they are evil liars.
//(PS Don't let anyone tell you that you are a poor communicator, it's just that many folks are poor listeners, or maybe just don't like what you have to say.)//
I will second this. You communicate very well. Maybe you have more trouble getting your point across verbally, but you express yourself well in writing.
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I *WAS* a poor communicator.
I'm on the neurotypical extreme of the autistic spectrum. Simple therapy made me a LOT better - so was finding someone similar to me but older than me (I always did better with older people) to socialize with and just have fun with. Amusingly because my life is apparently a comedy movie for some other universe, it was my best friends mom. We're IDENTICAL personality wise. :grin:
So, now, obviously, I can forumulate a idea and communicate it better, but sometimes I have difficulty putting into words what I'm thinking of. I suppose an english class and vocabulary might help, unless any old greek dialectic or rhetoric classes exist somewhere. It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues
--Abraham Lincoln
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what does nihilantic mean? sorry, i am new today.
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Niles,
Basically he's like sweet and sour sauce. He's someone that is very powerful. Some like him, some don't, some don't know. That's the way of the world.
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but what does nihilantic mean? i dont mean to sound stupid but i am curious.
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Short answer: it means nothing.
Longer answer: Nihil means nothing in latin.
Nihilanth, the root of my name, was a 'villain' in the game Half-Life, though after Halflife2 the conspiracy got about 5 times deeper... anyway, he was cool, with mind powers to bend space time and zap you like a bug, and he had some prophetic words that foretold the... orwellian mess that was Half-Life 2: "You will never know the truth.... You will be deceived..."
So, yeah, he was cool, and I needed to find a name for IRC. I tried Nihilanth but someone else took it. I just thought up the name "Nihilanthic" and it... was utterly unique and it just stuck.
Now, to take this even farther, while Nihil itself literally means "nothing", I stumbled on the ideas of Nihilism... becuase of the name. I'm NOT a nihilist, however, sometimes I think like one, just for the intellectually rigorous methods it uses.
Basically, Nihilism is like this:
1. Nothing matters
2. Life has no meaning
3. Therefore, you have no baggage to "start out" with
4. Any meaning your life has is what you gave it
5. Any meaning any activity or object or 'noun' has is what you give it
6. Therefore life has the meaning you want it to have, or it could have nothing. The term given by philosophers to people who know life 'has no meaning' but still live it is "the absurd". I was absurd, then I realized I just want to live it to enjoy it and help people out if I could.
Now, again, I'm not a nihilist... but I do use that method of THINKING from time to time.
So, Nihilanthic had no meaning, and means nothing, but I give it meaning through my actions and how I speak and what I do here and in the real world.
Happy?
:grin: What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?
Henry Kissinger
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Wow!
Since i the first time we spoke i don't belief you ever be this prolific! I must say after reading this absurd posting, that I must put my voice in. You were very helpful to me when I needed you. For that I thank you, You are correct when you say you didn't try to sway me to your way of thinking. You did just what i asked. I asked for a source of information, and you provided. You also expressed concern for me and my daughter. I felt then, as i do now, that you are a very caring individual. I agree with the term "righteous indignation." I have not been on posting myself, lately, as it seems there are some very strange people who want to interfere with the purpose of this board. I am astounded we are still being bombarded with the opinion of the likes of this bsarro person. I can't imagine why they are still posting here. I would think they would move on, to a place where their warped views might be appreciated.
I am glad I know you, and call you a friend. :smile:
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ya, who are you? it would be nice to know.
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There's 5 pages worth... what else do you want to know, Anonymous?
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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... as fortold by the great prophet, Ernest Hemingway. The good lord spoke to me again through the random quotes this morning. (or maybe it was Crazy Mac)
Our nada who art in nada, nada be thy name. Thy kingdom nada, thy will be nada as it is in nada. Give us this nada our daily nada and nada us our nada as we nada our nadas and nada us into nada but deliver us from nada; pues nada. Hail nothing full of nothing, nothing is with thee.
--Ernest Hemingway, American author
Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.