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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 17, 2001, 10:11:00 PM

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 17, 2001, 10:11:00 PM

It appears that the media has been made aware of Elan .Yet N.B.C. cannot present an unbiased reporting of this place located in Poland Springs Maine.

Dan Abrams ,the legal analyst for nbc had a brother that was there during '74-'76 when things were really out of control.Allan Maraynes did a very flattering story on Joe Ricci for 60 minutes who now works for dateline.

Dateline and NBC refuse to expose Elan for the brutal and sadistic acts that were perpetrated by men that had absolute power over the residents.

These men were Joe Ricci ,Peter McCann, Jeffery Gottlieb,Martin Kruglik and Ken Zaretsky

The New Yorker(7-3-00) had an article by J.Tobin where Kruglik was quoted from the witness stand as saying that elan is not a brutal place .

Elan was a horribly sick , twisted and brutal place.

It would behoove these media organazations to do an unbiased reporting of Elan and to expose the crimes against humanity that these men executed against good decent human beings,instead of turning a blind eye and doing a grave disservice to society.

It is a shame that it took the murder investagation of M. Skakel to bring Elan to the publics attention ,and more shame on how these news organazations have handled Elan.

Details magazine (October issue) had a four page article that did a little more in depth reporting yet still managed to sugarcoat Elan . Most of the source for their story came from K. Zaretzky a (in my opionin) true pathological sociopath.Go figure.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2002, 06:42:00 PM

while i agree with you on many points heres one you have forgotten werent we all in the same boat RESIDENTS at one time! so who blames who here? who started it all? dose anyone know for sure? whatever the case may be we should remeber that whatever our views may be that respect should play a role after all we did all go through the same shit we just see things differently

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2002, 10:42:00 AM

My name is Michael Pelella. I attended Elan from 3-16-1999 until 8-11-2000. I am more then willing to talk to any one about Elan (cause god knows we all have our own opinions on that place.) and I love hearing from Elan students. Here is my e-mail - asdpsklc@yahoo.com Hope to talk to you ALL soon!

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2002, 09:56:00 PM

I'm tired of hearing all this on how elan was so bad, I am a graduate from there, and I found that none of what i saw there was considered burtal or sadistic. what i did find was it was safer than the enviroments that we came from. How many people die on the streets each day, how many people are hurt so badly that it leaves them physicaly and emotionaly handicaped? If you saw elan as such a bad place what did you do there to make it better? what did you do to change it. When i arrived at Elan 3 it was in cahos and filled with coruptions,but the peer before me and my peer worked hard to change that. and we did. what did you do to change the way you lived there? people who complaine about it didn't to anything, you speak words yet do nothing, It's a micro government in there, if you choose only to complain what does that change? just in anygovernment, complaints do nothing, it is those who act and push foward are those who change the way things are. As far as i can see , YOU ARE WEAK. so why do you complaine now when you had a chance to change things earlier? Grow a spine!

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: velvet2000 on April 29, 2002, 08:11:00 PM

Hey, it's the AARCsurvivor girl. I was just checking out this forum; I've read a bit about Elan before. Course nothing confirms that one of these schools is a bad place untill some anonymous poster comes in and tells everyone that they are weak if they disagree with the facilites ways. It's funny how these angry posters who visit all of these boards all sound so similar. They're like robots, doing what they're programmed to do, no individual thought put into it.

Keep making yourself heard survivors, take care.

Velvet.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Antigen on May 01, 2002, 10:56:00 AM

"...but the almighty dollar is the bottom line here as always!"

Yeah, that's the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. That has been so since time out of mind and will continue to be so.

So the most sensible thing to do is to take away their gold Most of the money comes from public funding sources. That may seem hard to believe in light of the exorbitant fees and donations.

But think about it. Right now, DFAF is planning a conference in Vancouver to do a little (more) fear mongering there. (See IDEAS-CANADA) I've met a LOT of Program parents over the years. Most of them are among the most decent people in the world. What would posess them to do to us what they did? How about a multi-billion-dollar, decades long propaganda campaign???

We MUST cut off this line of funding. It is, after all, our money. When we were kids, it was our parents' responsibility. They were duped or negligent or just still shell-shocked from the war era. Now it's up to us to take charge of public policy and route these sleazy bastards from the public dole. The private sector dollars will fall off just as soon as the public support is curtailed.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2002, 01:13:00 AM

To asshole who posted 3/23 you obviously bought into Joe's bullshit(may he rot) but you preach it to well to just be a class of 2000 graduate I'll bet you are a member of the staff or former member anyway Ken nobody here wan't to hear your sick concept bullshit.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2002, 03:04:00 AM

Elan School has saved the lives of several kids I know. All of them are living productive lives now, and are close to their families. All have gone on to college. One is getting married now. One is working in hospital administration, the others are still in college, and one is going to a regular high school. All of these kids were out of control, engaging in dangerous behavior, and failing in school before they came to Elan. As the parent of an Elan student, I have found the staff, the students who have been my daughter's friends at Elan, and the teachers and administrators there to be caring, respectful people doing a very hard job. I have visited at Elan during the confrontation groups. I overheard strong language used, very intense and hard to hear. It shook me up. But I have seen kids come out of these groups feeling better, and feeling close to their peers who were just yelling at them for something offensive they had done. There are tough kids there, kids for whom school and home environments have not worked out well. After the Elan program,these kids have been able to leave Elan and go home to finish high school, go to college, or go to a regular boarding school. A minor percentage of kids do not succeed at Elan, and leave without graduating. Fortunately, most do succeed. As the parent of a teenager who has benefitted immeasurably from her stay at Elan, I would be happy to answer any questions about Elan you may have. I am grateful to Elan, as is my daughter. She has thanked me many times for choosing Elan for her. She has recommended Elan for a friend of our family's. That says a lot. K.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: lpayne on June 07, 2002, 12:51:00 PM

You don't know what you are talking about (says respectively). The Elan I knew was nothing like what you have described. I am very happy that you had a great experience, but that was not my Elan 23 years ago. It was so damaging to me and took many years to recover. I believe I was only 1 of a few that ever escaped and the fact that I survived had nothing to do with Elan.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: lpayne on June 07, 2002, 01:05:00 PM

I am a survivor of Elan. I was there...oh some 23 years ago. There is no one that can convince me that Elan was anything but corrupt. I was there. I saw it. I remember when I was there, there were a couple of kids that tried to runaway or something and they had to sit in bunny suits all day and handcuffed. I remember the boxing ring/blood. I remember the customes and signs. I remember the constant yelling and screaming and knocking on doors. I remember the termoil of my peers. I remember most of all that I could trust no one. I was so alone and knew that Elan was going to destroy me, I wanted out in the worst way. I felt as though Elan was stealing my soul and spirit. I played the game real well though and stayed basically out of any real trouble there. But as you all know, that didn't always work. They made sure everyone got a fair shake at their "therapy". Anyway, I finally got them to take me on a trip with others to the mall and by this time, because I stayed out of trouble, they took their eyes off of me for only a minute and I was gone. I left Maine and went to Boulder, got a job, an apartment, got married years later, went back to school, raised my son (who just graduated high school last week). SCREW you all anonymous fakes, that can't even post who you are. I don't feel this way about many, but Ricci...I was so glad to hear that he was gone. I was relieved. The world is a much better place without him. What a sad statment on his life. I mean look at all of us..I'm 37 and while I'm by no means consumed with Elan anymore....the pain is still there in some degree...I WILL NEVER FORGET. And for those of you who have said...well what did you do to make it better. Elan sucked...nothing can make that better. What I've done is raised a healthy son...who dabbled at 14 in drugs/drinking and the black clothes and when told that either I put him somewhere or they will not continue to treat him for his ADHD, I said fine...he is not a car I'm sending to get fixed. He is my son. Why anyone thinks that you can send away your child to be fixed is beyond me. I worked with my son, we both made changes and we're here to say that places like Elan should be eliminated. That is more of a contribution than thinking that you made Elan a better place. You are sick!

I AM A SURVIVOR!

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on January 22, 2003, 07:35:00 PM

L Payne ,

you were very lucky to have escaped .I remember Two kids that escaped without their shoes in the middle of a Maine winter .(talk about desperate young people ) They did what they had to do and got severe frost bite .

They made it as far as Vermont (by way of a car that they later stole )and were caught by the police in some little town in Vermont.

They were not as fortunate , Robert C. and myself went to go pick them up,and bring them back to hell (oh I mean elan ),and hell is what these 2 kids went thru .

Infact anyone who escaped (and not returned to that place )were blessed .

(continued) Peace to you

Matthiam

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: nick on January 23, 2003, 11:09:00 AM

i agree with those who advocate elan and i really feel that those who hate elan so much should move on with life and stop focussing on your past if it was so horrible.a rape victim is advised to do the same or life will seem not worth living.the bottom line is elan helped far more people than not or who ever owns this web sight would be very wealthy.if some of these stories i read are true then i am truly sorry for those people.i feel like a lot of it is fabricated by spoiled kids that had such a hard time at elan because they did not want to comply with the program.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2003, 05:32:00 PM

ok, its very clear to me that there are 2 schools, im, not sure where line is drawn,, lets say 87. the ones who went after that seem to have a totally diff story to tellheres my analogy,,,, to guys are sitting at a bar, both have been ass raped recently, 1 by a mouse, the other by a horse,,,,the mouse guys says ,, ya i been assraped, but it wasnt that bad, what are u bitchin bout u idiot,, while the guy that was fucked by a horse can only groan,,,,,, :smokin:

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2003, 09:48:00 AM

This site is for us to vent any hostility we want towards them.If you dont like what you read then dont read it.No one is forcing you to read it.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2003, 06:21:00 PM

Oh, is that what this site is for? That sounds like an encounter group, doesn't it?. Well, then why don't we vent real hostility instead of making up silly stories about pedophiles and the like?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2003, 08:24:00 PM

a rape victim is advised to do the same or life will seem not worth living

The difference, nick, is that rapes are usually investigated, and rapists arrested and prosecuted. You hardly ever hear anyone say things like "So what if he raped a few kids? He was nice to me."

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: lpayne64 on February 04, 2003, 10:15:00 AM

You are a bit hostile sounding, but I couldn't agree with your meaning more. Elan should have been investigated and shut down. Joe Ricci was a crook, and benefited off of insurance money and left me to deal with a nightmare. I'm just glad that he is gone. I'm really not that type of person, but I have to tell you, I was pretty damn happy when I was told that he died. By the way, I have moved on, I have a wonderful family, I wake up joyous every day, unfortunately, Elan will always be something I will want to face and figure out probably b/c I never had closure. Although Joe passing away defintely helped.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: lpayne64 on February 04, 2003, 10:19:00 AM

I don't understand why you don't list your names, profile in regards to who you are and when you were in Elan. Why no names?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: yearight on March 04, 2003, 12:50:00 AM

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: lpayne on March 04, 2003, 10:08:00 AM

I'm really quite sorry each time that I read someone posting that we need to get over Elan and move on with our lives. With any tradegy it is as though it becomes a part of who you are. Elan sucked...those of you that have been there recently just have no idea as to the cruelity or psychological games that were played on us. As a parent now and having raised a teenager of my own, I have made my own voice heard to other parents contemplating to send their children away. YOU DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILDREN AWAY IN MASSES LIKE A USED CAR TO BE FIXED. B/c daah, it's usually the whole family that needs some adjusting. And those that advise rape victims to move on with their lives, have not beeen raped. Horray, for you that Elan was so wonderful, that is the farthest thing in the world that my Elan was. You don't know what you are talking about...NO IDEA AT ALL!!!!

I could see if there was only one or two of us from the old school that were complaining or venting or sharing..whatever you want to call it, but there are hundreds of us...hundreds of us that share a terrible experience that get together occassionally in these bulletin boards to talk. Do we offend you? Well, that's just too bad. I'm glad you are doing well, and I'm happy for you that you contribute some of that to Elan. But for me, b/c of Elan I had to work all that harder to get where I'm at which is a great place to be, (mentally, physically, etc), but what I share and bring to other teenagers that come into my house and other parents contemplating sending there kids away. I don't want to forget.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: yearight on March 04, 2003, 12:05:00 PM

I never said you offend me with your posts about how Elan treated you. I simply expressed that I didn't share the same experience. I said that I hope you can move on, not that you should move on. Allow me to explain my point of view a little further. I simply wish that the older residents who had a bad experience realized that the more recent residents didn't. I understand that you don't want to send your kids there. Hell, I wouldn't either. I would never want to subject anyone I love to a place like Elan and my mom still apologizes to me once a year or so for sending me there. Then again, I can't condone all the immature (and likely 100% false) posts like those about Clare.

You asked for a name, I gave you mine. Please don't take my words the wrong way. I feel for your experience, I have no desire to belittle it, I just didn't share it.

~Dave

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2003, 11:54:00 AM

dave,
I remember you, you were in 8 about the same time i was in 7,Well, here is my 2 cents:
Everyones elan experience was individual and different whether new school or old. Each person encountered different problems with residents and staff.
I think that when a kid of 15 years old (me) is ripped from all familiar surrounds and lives in an alternate reality that is completely fictional for three years and then released back into society at 18 years old, your gonna have some emotional unrest about it.
When I was brought to elan it was by a joint effort of my parents and florida state government.
One day I was enjoying the summer break from school I got arrested, 2 days later i was scrubbing the floor for hours on end for breaking rules like, talking without strength, looking out the window, speaking to the females. I thought It was like i was in the midst of a horrible trip I couldn't come down from. I lost my laces was put on a bright LE, bans, loss of laces, eat last,shower last, put in the corner and made to get my feelings off in encounters the first day. Talk about a shock to the system, I litereally didn't take a shit until october 3 and i got there sept.1, physically impossible? almost,we'll just say i couldnt sit right fot a few days.
To some people it wasn't like this, to some people it was much much worse I will not ever doubt what a student says about elan. no body knew the staff but us, and no one, not even the staff knew everything that went on there. It was in a sense anarchic dictatorship. and maybe even worse than the staff were the students that staff took a particular liking too. Which I'll go ahead and say was not me, they couldve made it harder for, though i probably would have not graduated, they sure as hell made it easier for the kids they favored.
As I'll close, the experiences people had are as individual as the peopl who had them, I believe elans time is coming to a close. We can only pray.
By the way dave- this is whit Long- elan 7 -9/95-6/98, graduate as full coordinator of communications, broadcasting.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: lpayne64 on March 28, 2003, 12:31:00 PM

F _ _ _ !!!! U

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2003, 06:13:00 PM

Lpayne -who was that directed towards, you know the
F___ You?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2003, 06:41:00 PM

My not so nice reply was not directed properly. It posted in this room even though I hit reply to this specific message in another area. Sorry! It wasn't towards you all.
lp

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: dterrel on April 07, 2003, 03:14:00 PM

GO WHITNEY!!!! YOU ALWAYS WERE THE SHIT! This is Doug T!!! How have you been?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2003, 03:04:00 PM

who the fuck are you? how the hell can you tell anyone to grow a spine when you won't even write your fucking name. i put mine in here, my name is Ryan Kievit, and i don't give a shit who knows it. i have a spine, anyone willing to speak out against the hell called elan has a spine, and i wish i knew who the fuck you are, cause i sure as hell have no respect for you, i am more successful right now, at eighteen years old then you will ever be in your whole life. i fucking graduated too, big fucking deal, who the fuck cares? i went to elan 3 to bitch, so let me know who you are, but don't sit there all fucking high and mighty cause you fucking graduated and think you made a difference there.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: lpayne64 on April 21, 2003, 03:29:00 PM

Ryan, I read your posting. I survived Elan...oh some 23 years ago. Elan...what right to Joe R. have? I escaped from Elan (only one of the few successful escapes) and I still in one form or another live with the trauma that it burned on my soul. It will be (unfortunately) a part of me for the rest of my life. But in reading your angry post (I don't really blame you at all for being angry and only find this makes you "normal") I realized that you are the same age as my son, Raymond. Even though you are only 18 right now, I can tell you that because of how aweful Elan was (amongst other incidents in my life) my son gained from all of my suffering because I vowed to not be, not give, not subject my own children to anything I was. So, in a very twisted way, (VERY TWISTED) something good actually came out of Elan. You have absolutely no idea how hard it is for me to admit that anything in regards to Elan would be good. Actually, it is because of how awful/evil Elan was that any good came from it. It is because I am the opposite in every way of everything Elan stands for. I wish you the best..and hope that you have a great life because remember Ryan.....You survived probably one of the worst experiences in your life. It can only get better now. That is how it is for me. Elan was so incredibly psychologically damaging to me, to my very core, that now as an adult anything bad that can happen pales in comparison to the hell I had to live through at Elan.

Lisa

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2003, 12:24:00 PM

You snivelers make me sick. Elan is not to blame for your miserable lives, YOU ARE!
Get over it.

I was in Elan for 29 months in the early 80s
I dont think about Elan, I dont blame elan for any of my fuck-ups since I left. 99% of the stories I read here about Elan are BULSHIT...you snivelers are a severe minority, the majority are those who dont look back, those who dont care, and those who are completely honest about what elan was, and WHY THEY WERE THERE!

THAT is why no media will touch Elan, because the only people they can get a story from is the fucking snivelers who exagerate, and have distorted thier own memories of thier stay in Elan to a point where even YOU cant remember the TRUTH.

Im sure if you didnt go to Elan, there would be some other source of blame for your miserable lives.

Fuck you people make me sick, get with the fucking program...Elan is history yet all you fucking whiners come in here, and other sick sites to stew in your own shit. YOU'RE to blame for that...

I hear you all saying the same thing..."my life would be better if I didnt go to Elan"

Uhh, your life would be better if you simply WANTED it to be better despite what some school in Maine "did to you"
Now that would be a success story you snivelers couldnt handle! :scared:

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2003, 11:44:00 AM

Hey Art yea its me........... see ya found this board. Ok will post the site here too hope more of you will hit this site and file with them maybe one laywer out there will hear us...

http://www.bigclassaction.com (http://www.bigclassaction.com)
Its worth a try everyone!

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2003, 01:25:00 PM

FUCK OFF, I GRADUATED TOO AND I COMPLAIN EVERY FUCKING CHANCE I GET. AND WHO ARE YOU, YOU BIG SHOT FORM ELAN THREE? I WAS IN THREE FOR A LONG FUCKING TIME DIPSHIT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER ANYONE WHO CHANGED IT FROM BEING CHAOTIC. WRITE TO ME DIPSHIT AND LET'S ARGUE ABOUT IT. RYAN KIEVIT. KIEVS40@AOL.COM COME ON PRICK, BUT LEARN TO SPELL BEFORE YOU SEND ME ANYTHING

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2003, 01:25:00 PM

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2003, 06:00:00 PM

you know for some of us who were brutalized by elan and those directors (all of them ),you know a nice heart felt apology would be nice .

since they don't want to play nice and admit that they are sorry for being CHILD ABUSERS and beg for our forgiveness and see if there is anything that they (J. Gottlieb ,M Kruglik, P .McCann ,K Zaretzky and M. Rosenberg) can do for us to help us now .

Well it is time to go to the courts and get what is rightfully ours .

you see THERE ARE 2 ROADS THAT THEY CAN TAKE . 1 THE EASY WAY WHICH WOULD INVOLE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND BEG FOR OUR FORGIVENESS AND OFFER ASSISTANCE TO THOSE IN NEED or 2 the harder way WE SUE AND TAKE EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE AND TRY TO PUT THEM IN THE HOOSGOW , where these fools belong

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2003, 08:28:00 PM

Ya know what sucks, man. These people are consumers. They have the magical ability of taking much and turning into next to nothing.

I don't see actually see a way that every single person could get the reimbursement that they deserve. Yeah.. that s what sucks.

That place will be bankrupt, way before one tenth of the people get what they should have coming to them

Paul St. John

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: SyN on August 24, 2003, 11:53:00 AM

i dont think any student there or x will ever see a monetary settlement. especially since Joe is worm food. i think they can only be shut down. I wonder who owns the race track now??
The only success story i know is about my good friend Rory. he was on an sp w/ me w/ a very violent little kid. this kid was the type to shit on the floor n sling it around (lil fuk chris w from lewiston) to try n get kicked out. so me n Rory were watching him. when he finally got out of restraints; he decided to be a funny guy and try to grab Rory's cock. so being the person Rory was, when the kid grabbed his package he smashed the kid in the face. not wanting to miss a golden oppertunity, i whaled on him to. which was probably not right but you deal w/ a kid slingin shit at you all day. no wonder we all had to sp each other staff didn't want to deal w/ that shit.
any way after we knocked the kid out, then we called chief n staff came a runnin. they put some epsom salt under his nose to wake him up then restrained him again. i still dont get how they get away w/ us restraining each other. i think that will be a good loophole in our favor if elan is ever held accountable. Rory's dad was some kinda big shot in jersey, and was in poland something like 3 hours after Rory told him about it. they put rory in isolation for telling his dad, and he was out 2 days later. anyone who mentoned Rory's name after the incident was immediatly shot down for a week. pretty shady eh??? i still dont know the strings Rory's dad pulled but i would love to find out. They had a private talk w/ me giving me some b.s run around then promoted me to sr dept hd to make me feel better. didnt work. They treated me decent for a while till i told my parents about it over the phone. my folks beleived elan of course and i was shot down for a while, due to that n my girlie there copped to her guilt. fukn bitch, though she is still my friend. I still wanna know what Rory's dad pulled w/ them. he was some kinda nj big wig and he intimidate joe real bad from what i hear.
Any others here at elan 96-99? in 3 especially?
SyN

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 08:20:00 AM

Was Rory Italian Syn?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 08:25:00 AM

I was thinking,They should of had Marty sp this kid, Marty would of love to have shit flinged on him.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 09:21:00 AM

I was reading at another Elan site that someone posted that they knew of a current staff member that released information of elan with lack of students.they indicated that there is a total of 60 students for the entire population and this person thinks that bad publicity and elan message boards are at fault.

Well if we are at fault at these message boards lets give ourselfs a round of applause.All our stories and exposure of this assholes are affecting them finacialy.not to sound conseeded or anything but I have to take most of the credit here at fornits for contributing the stories.

Michael I saw what you posted on the other site , something about elan falling apart structurally?Correct me if I'm wrong if you wrote it.Anyways if Elan is falling apart and the buildings are not up to code then we should contact the buildings department in Poland Springs ME, they will be the ones to tell if it is falling apart.

I can tell you one thing, the way they use to store luggage in the old elan seven aka has the luggage cabin was a fire hazard.Shit was thrown all over the place in there.Marty and Sharon have to be in their 60's now,when I was there they looked old to me and this is going back many years ago.

If you run a search on Google.com for Sharon Trry, on or about the 2nd or 3rd page you will find Divorce proceedings from Joe Riccis' first marriage.It is formated on adobe reader and I had a hard time copying it to post it here.If Elan does go bankrupt it will be caused mostly by Cheryl is x-wife for cashing in.Keep up the good work Cheryl.Anyways run that search for Sharon Terry on google.com and see for yourself.It is very informative and detailed.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 09:23:00 AM

http://www.courts.state.me.us/opinions/ ... e84ric.pdf (http://www.courts.state.me.us/opinions/2003%20documents/03me84ric.pdf)

Divorce proceedings on Cheryl and Joe Ricci

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: SyN on August 25, 2003, 11:49:00 AM

::drummer:: yo 60 total pop like rob says would be crazy. thats 20 per house. when i was in three it was 45-50 at a time. bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahha.
we should all throw in buy the place and light it up.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2003, 03:00:00 PM

the other question is how long was Bill Diamond sec of state of Maine . And as Sec of state of maine and living so close to elan ,and being friends with Sharon Terry ,J Ricci . Doesn't one think that he had to have known what was going on in elan .

If elan is so poor now how can they aford to pay Bill Diamond now ? Maybe they have to !(retorhical question) I am also wondering about elan's lawyer's .Isn't unethical as a lawyer to defend a place ,while knowing that crimes are being committed there .Child abuse is a crime ,making money on abusing children is sick .

Defending a place that does (this to me) is twisted and unethical .

Can someone give me a disbarred.

Bill , Ed ,and the other fool that defends elan can you hear that stones song "your time is gonna come " or is it a Zepplen song . I am JUST not sure ?

don't let those prison doors hit you in the rear end as you pass into your private little idahos

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: deebe44 on October 01, 2003, 11:28:00 PM

I had to ask, who are you. I also was there 1974 to be correct. my stay was nothing like she described either.beyond sick and abusive. I think thats bull, someone playing head games.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2003, 01:55:00 AM

Shut up you stupid brainwashed piece of shit :wstupid:

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: SyN on November 25, 2003, 11:34:00 AM

i wish skakel would post here. Now that would be fukn crazy.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Paul St. John on November 25, 2003, 12:46:00 PM

Hey Art,

Do you know of any details of what thhis new evidence is? This is all very interesting to me...

Did anyone else notice by the way, that the investigation into Martha Moxley's murder was shoddy as hell?

Paul St. John

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Matt C. Hoffman on December 13, 2003, 08:41:00 PM

Money and absolute power, corrupts absolutley .

It is my opinion that elan has had help in maintaining its status quo.

The directors during my time knew what to show the media when media was on the floor (in the house),and it is (sad ) though funny that one of these sound bites (from my time 74-76 )was used on a dateline news magazine back in 2000 around novemember .

The tape was old . The way it was used as to show what a general meeting was with kruglik running it .

There were 2 residents who said after the segment that that was not how it was .The did not elaborate and the interviewer did not press them for answers .It was a joke

absolute power corrupts absolutley kruglik ,gottlieb, mccann, ricci,zaretsky had absolute power over the residents and in my opinion they are the most corrupted and crooked individuals on the face of the earth .

That and my opinion again that these men were true sadists who enjoyed torturing people both physically as well as mentally .

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Dee Verry on December 14, 2003, 07:39:00 PM

ART that is the best thing I ever read is sooooooo true .I am right behide you I thought the same

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Dee Verry on December 14, 2003, 07:46:00 PM

Thank you so much for your post.I am cring thank you,for your hoesty god bless you and yours be good and take care I am eagelflyer12@yahoo.com peace out

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Antigen on December 14, 2003, 08:36:00 PM

Quote

On 2003-11-25 09:35:00, artman11111 wrote:

"dont think mike has internet access in prison

he is in my opinion innocent of all charges

New evidence exists and hopefully will exonerate him shortly ... i will try and be present for the court date as i dont think he has much support these days.."

Not long ago, I saw one of the Kennedy cousins vow to fight for Mike to the bitter end. What happened to that? Did they slack off?

Anyway, you're a good man, Art. I hope you make it to the trial and I hope the guy finds out he's got a lot more support than he might know. Anyone have a mailing address for him? Maybe we should send him some Christmas cards or something?

No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2003, 08:43:00 PM

Who cares that your stay was pleasant I don't get I don't.well of corse it changed the law changed Hellowwwwwwwwwwwww?????? why do I bothter this is not worth it.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 08:52:00 AM

Way I see it is , Joe started this place to give back hell that he got when he was in a program.Elan was nothing but a plce where adults with problems could leak their garbage on students with real problems.It's like Joe said, hey now that I'm finally free why dont I open up a program where I can fuck with kids like I was fucked with?
Elan is just a place where Joe got his payback on students and treated them as he was.Hey Joe it wasnt our fault you were sent to a program for your out of control lifestyle.Well talking to a dead man doesn't make much sense now.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 08:56:00 AM

Would someone give me any info on this Marty guy. I know the woman he is seeing and after reading all your posts I am worried about her.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:01:00 AM

How old is this woman that he is seeing?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:03:00 AM

She is in her 40's has older kids in there 20's

She met him through the internet

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:07:00 AM

Can you get a picture of Marty from her?This way we can see if it really is him.Thank God her kids are in their 20's, this way Kruglik won't try to have his way with them.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:09:00 AM

Read through his forum that was posted here, alot of the stuff about him is true, some of it wa blown out of proportion, but basically most of it is true.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:10:00 AM

I could try to get a photo, but he has long whitish blonde hair not very tall lives in gray works at Elan I do know all this

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:13:00 AM

Sounds like Marty all right.How long has she been seeing him?We need to save her from making a potentially deadly mistake.Kruglik will drag her down, she is not safe.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:15:00 AM

My friend is a very kind and beautiful woman she loves people and trust everyone. I know if she hears this she will not believe it without proof. Her boys were molested by a scoutmaster in the 80's and I think she would die if she found this out. She has no tolerance for animals like this.

He must be playing a great actor

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:16:00 AM

I think she started seeing him in October she doesn't go down much she is disabled with a heart condition. He did take her to CHicago a few weeks ago

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:19:00 AM

Direct her attention to thie site, let her read what others have posted about Marty.He is using her, betcha any amount of money he is gonna attempt to get control over her last will and testament.Is she loaded? Have great assest's? Marty has nothing in life and is nothing but a free loader.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:20:00 AM

She is not rich but he pretends to be with his house 2 vehicles and all

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:20:00 AM

Hidingout I take it you were in Elan? If so when and how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:26:00 AM

I am not from Elan but my friend mentioned he worked there and I har read the whole Skakel and Ricci thing. I am really worried now I did a search on the web and found this site

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2003, 09:36:00 AM

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On 2003-12-21 06:20:00, hidingout wrote:

"She is not rich but he pretends to be with his house 2 vehicles and all

"

That isnt his house or cars, they belong to Sharon Terry, his boss.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:39:00 AM

well he told her that they are his. Hot tub pool sauna Nice place

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:43:00 AM

The deed is in Sharon Terry's name, he is lieing.Marty has a salary of about $1000.00 a month from elan.Only bill he has to pay is electic and cable if he can afford it.The man does own a car, a 1980 datsun sedan.Everything he claims to own is property of Sahron Terry, Joe made sure Marty will be taken care of because Marty did some dirty work for Joe in the past.
Every read the story about Joe's fire at his race track? Marty lite the fire so Joe could collect on insurance money.Marty is a fire starter.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:45:00 AM

OMG you are kidding right. My friend needs to know this. Is there anything i print anywhere that implicates him. She is such a trusting person, she will need real evidence She is suppose to go to his place today

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:48:00 AM

You need to save your friend.Convince her that Marty is evil and is a dangerous person,Marty is NOT good for her.Who are you to her anyways hidingout? A former lover or something?

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:52:00 AM

She saved me one time by taking me in and helping me when I was down on my luck. She is the sweetest person there is and through all her pain she can smile. She raised her two boys alone and brought them through the horror of the scoutmaster abuse and they are fine young men. She is a person that youwish to have as a friend.
Sorry if that sounds corny but she is an angel and now I am really worried. I just tried to call her and she is not home I hope she didn't leave already

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: IH8 Elan on December 21, 2003, 09:55:00 AM

You don't sound corny, you seem like a very caring person towards her.Marty is not good for her, he is not good for anyone.Did she have sex with him? Because Marty is a filthy individual and has done some pretty whacked out homosexual behavior with other men and animals.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 09:57:00 AM

She hasn't said anything about sex, but she wouldn't. She has stayed at his place though.

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: hidingout on December 21, 2003, 10:02:00 AM

He keeps telling her how hard a life he had as a child and she falls for it and wants to help him. If she believes all this tuff about him she will have a breakdown. She is strong for others but really suffers in her heart and soul for herself

Title: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2003, 11:08:00 AM

Is this all for real? If so you cant going saying things about this man if you cant back em up. I wouldnt put a whole lot of trust into this site hidingout if your that worried run a background check on him find out the truth and I can tell ya this site is not where you will find it.

Title: Re: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Antigen on January 28, 2010, 08:26:04 AM

:bump:

Title: Re: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2010, 11:46:48 PM

Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman"

It appears that the media has been made aware of Elan .Yet N.B.C. cannot present an unbiased reporting of this place located in Poland Springs Maine.

Dan Abrams ,the legal analyst for nbc had a brother that was there during '74-'76 when things were really out of control.Allan Maraynes did a very flattering story on Joe Ricci for 60 minutes who now works for dateline.

Dateline and NBC refuse to expose Elan for the brutal and sadistic acts that were perpetrated by men that had absolute power over the residents.

These men were Joe Ricci ,Peter McCann, Jeffery Gottlieb,Martin Kruglik and Ken Zaretsky

The New Yorker(7-3-00) had an article by J.Tobin where Kruglik was quoted from the witness stand as saying that elan is not a brutal place .

Elan was a horribly sick , twisted and brutal place.

It would behoove these media organazations to do an unbiased reporting of Elan and to expose the crimes against humanity that these men executed against good decent human beings,instead of turning a blind eye and doing a grave disservice to society.

It is a shame that it took the murder investagation of M. Skakel to bring Elan to the publics attention ,and more shame on how these news organazations have handled Elan.

Details magazine (October issue) had a four page article that did a little more in depth reporting yet still managed to sugarcoat Elan . Most of the source for their story came from K. Zaretzky a (in my opionin) true pathological sociopath.Go figure.

Just some old posts to show that members of our cause, have been at it for years......way to go Mat. :shamrock: :shamrock:

Title: Re: Elan (corporation/school)
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2010, 06:48:13 PM

I could not agree with you more, Bossey. I personally know how hard Mark and yourself have worked. Sorry to here about the virus, had my share of them a month ago. Always wondered who but then I went about my business got rid of them built better firewalls and continued on my journey too. Felice quoted something just before Christmas " It doesn't matter to me what flag I fight for it is the cause that is important". Maybe misquoted but close enough. I want Elan exposed I don't really care how it is done or who I do it with. I just want it done. If we get to close the place also great (I hope we do) if some folks can make money good (I don't care, maybe they need it). What people think of me (of course I care I'm human) but I am not driven by it b/cuz I don't give it power. I know who I am, God knows who I am and my family and friends knows who I am. So I am good. Everyone important in my life knows all about me and Elan (everything) they read all my posts here on these sites, nothing is hidden, Why????? I need there support wether it is critical or not.
So as we move forward I can only hope that you recieve what you truely desire Bossey, honestly.......Danny
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock: