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Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2004, 01:31:00 AM
ANY THOUGHTS??
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Pinkalici0us on December 26, 2004, 02:38:00 AM
As stupid as it sounds, she saw through my shit.  That was the turnaround point for me.  I had my major guilt kept as a 2 year resident in a Chief position.  If she didn`t play hardball with my ass, then I wouldn`t be the person I am today.  She challenged the fuck out of me the most. I wanted to be like her when I became older, but if anything, I just want to emulate her strength.  People hate her, people love her.  I get angry too about Elan, but it`s the past people, now it`s up to you to keep it together.

  Believe me, I was there for 3 years `n I tried so hard to fake it until I made it, but was caught.  I agree some staff are manipulative `n have gotten extremely comfortable in their positions of power.  But there are some who bust their ass for us.. .Clare was one of them.  We weren`t close, by no means not at all, but I respect her nonetheless.

  During the restructuring of our house `n when all the guilt was coming down, she was sleeping over `n coming in early in the morning.  She put her personal life on hold `n worked day in `n day out to get the house together again.

  I don`t need negative comments, I know them all.  But for now, since its the holidays, thinking of the better times is easier. As I said, I had my shitty times too.. .I don`t judge you, so don`t try judging me.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: JNAILZ on December 26, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
Clare is what is she is to you. I did not get to see her to much, but if she gave you strength and hope, there is nothing more you could ask. Your right, others might hate her and have bad things to say about her, but none of it should matter to you, she gave you something no one can take away with bad words. There were staff I hated at times, but some like Hiram, terri and Tanya gave me insight and strength I still use today. Elan was a messed up place, and trust me there were a lot of negative things going on while I was there, but your experience was different, keep that with you always.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: coz on December 27, 2004, 11:21:00 AM
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Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Chrysta on December 28, 2004, 12:20:00 AM
i can tell you this...if anyone was there to challeng me, it would be Clare. Marc R. started out as my staff member, and Clare didnt even notice I was in the house, but when I started to show a little interest in myself, she did the same. She then took over as my staff to facilitate meetings with my family. I will never forget how much she challenged me as a person. She was not willing to except me as a bullshit artist. She helped me see what it was I was working on, helped me work through it and helped me move on. I was her coordinator a few times. She ran a few of my GMs and shot me down quite a few times, but trust me, none of those were for no reason. I was a punk, and learned quite a bit. I guess my era was a bit different than those before us, and those after us. There as maybe 2 three house GMs in my time, right Mandy? It sounds like after our era was over, you guys had a hell of a lot to deal with. I will never forget CLare, Marc, Drew, Marian and Jenn H. All of whom had a great hand in who I am today!!!!
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2004, 12:43:00 AM
I knew jenn h, she was awesome... she gave you strength just by being chill... never saw her really angry or yell at anyone... clare worked her ass off too... and i spent a lot of time with clare after work and she helped me out as well when i was starting the x's up again after the merge... clare is definately good people...
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Chrysta on December 28, 2004, 12:47:00 AM
i wish i knew who you were. I am still in contact with both of them today after 8 yrs
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2004, 12:49:00 AM
sorry, i didn't sign in, it's coldprecision
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Chrysta on December 28, 2004, 12:51:00 AM
coldprecision....check your email
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Coldprecision on December 28, 2004, 01:11:00 AM
i did check my e mail.. nothing... where did you send it to?
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Chrysta on December 28, 2004, 01:17:00 AM
IM me...i seem to be having probs'
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: MarenD on December 29, 2004, 05:43:00 PM
I liked Clare, she was very down to earth. Clare, Jenn H and missy made living at elan so much easier.[ This Message was edited by: MarenD on 2004-12-31 01:21 ]
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Chrysta on December 30, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
i never had the opportunity to get to know Missy, she was at 3 when I was there, but Jenn H and Clare are two very strong women that I still talk to today.They are so much more cool when they are your friends, not your staff
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Cynthia on December 31, 2004, 12:11:00 AM
Missy is really cool. She dresses like a bum. She always has an undershirt hanging out of somewhere. Un-combed hair and work boots. It is just the way she feels comfortable. She is a very caring and kind person. I have never heard a bad word about her. What a sweetheart.
This kid Fred who SP'd one of our visits heard that when she applied for the job, she showed up in a pink business suit. That would be a sight to see!
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: MarenD on December 31, 2004, 04:23:00 AM
Missy just rocks. She doesn't give a shit what people think but she cares sooooooooo much about the kids! She is great[ This Message was edited by: MarenD on 2004-12-31 01:23 ]
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Cynthia on January 01, 2005, 12:40:00 AM
Another comment about Missy; She makes a huge effort to keep parents informed.
To those of you who don't have children, you never really comprehend, just how much your own parents love you until you see your own child for the first time. It is the most amazing feeling I have ever had. You finally figure out what your life is about.
At least that is when I finally understood that kind of love.
Missy understands this and helps to ease their (parents) worries. I will forever be greatful to her.
She is the angel in the blue jeans! :nworthy:
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2005, 10:46:00 AM
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On 2004-12-31 21:40:00, Llahsram wrote:

"Another comment about Missy; She makes a huge effort to keep parents informed.
To those of you who don't have children, you never really comprehend, just how much your own parents love you until you see your own child for the first time. It is the most amazing feeling I have ever had. You finally figure out what your life is about.
At least that is when I finally understood that kind of love.
Missy understands this and helps to ease their (parents) worries. I will forever be greatful to her.
She is the angel in the blue jeans! :nworthy: "


Yea we know Cindy. You will forever be grateful to her for her brain washing your son. What a fuckin loon...

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Chrysta on January 02, 2005, 11:18:00 AM
my god...leave her alone. She should be greatful if Elan helped to change her son for the better.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
BACK TO TOPIC.
LOVED CLARE.
SHE WAS AWESOME.
TOUGH BUT INVOLVED
SHE OVERWORKED HERSELF ALL THE TIME
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2005, 04:46:00 PM
Hey Cindy cut me some slack.  I thought we sort of dressed alike. lol.  thanks for the kind things you say to me on the site.  Hi Mary,  you little beast.  Remember when you and Karen scared me upstairs?  Hi Maren and Mandy.  You guys are favorites of mine too.  Missy Esty
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Cynthia on January 04, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
Hey Missy, We do, I  just envy that you can go to work that way. I would love to wear my Birks and socks to work but OSHA won't allow it. I hope you are doing well. I miss talking with you.
Hey, did you really interview in a pink suit or is it a crazy rumor?
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Pinkalici0us on January 04, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
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On 2005-01-04 13:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey Cindy cut me some slack.  I thought we sort of dressed alike. lol.  thanks for the kind things you say to me on the site.  Hi Mary,  you little beast.  Remember when you and Karen scared me upstairs?  Hi Maren and Mandy.  You guys are favorites of mine too.  Missy Esty"


Hi Missy!  Yes, I laughed when I read that.  Sorry, I have a thing of being dumb `n spontaneous, Karen was just guilty by association  :lol: Happy New Year!!!

-Mary Grace
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: MarenD on January 05, 2005, 11:34:00 PM
MISSY HEY! I missy you.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Chrysta on January 05, 2005, 11:36:00 PM
hey missy, do you remember me? I was in e8 like 8 years ago...how are you?
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2006, 05:12:00 AM
Right, except when Missy keeps in constant contact with parents she lies.  
Missy would do much better if she got a little educated, did a little bit of self reflection and took a break from Elan for a few years.  Unquestioned, complacent, non stagnation is not so much a sign of dedication as it is of fear.
I'd like to believe that Missy is a good person, stuck in a bad place, that brings out bad things in her, and that she just doesn't know any better.  If I can quote from Help At Any Cost by Maia Szalavitz, page 67-68.
"Psychologists believe that Stockholm syndrome is caused by being placed in a situation of dependence on others who induce fear.  People often adapt to such ordeals by trying to placate their captors-and by becoming grateful for small acts of kindness.  By identifying with their captors and trying to manipulate them into providing better conditions, the victims gain a sense of control.  Through cognitive dissonance, however, this can cause the victims to support their own oppression by internally adopting the stance of their oppressors.  It is less psychologically stressful for the victims to adopt the captors' perspective than to dwell on their own helplessness.  Consequently, victims come to believe that they deserve harsh treatment."

So, in summation, Missy may have been better than others but she only seems good in comparison.  You had no control there and sometimes the only kindness of any sort you would receive in days or weeks would be from her.  So those singular moments of normalcy take on greater importance, because they were such uncommon experiences.  That doesn't mean your relationship was anything more than it what it really was, a contrived deliberate assignment where you were supposed to feel loyalty and love towards a person who, if you had the same relationship with outside of Elan or in a situation where you at least had a modicum of control, you would have run from, screaming, recognizing it as the abusive relationship it was.  
It is possible that Missy could really help people in a meaningful tangible way that is a result of her own hard work and caring rather than a false, corrupt and artifical world designed to create dependence.  Missy, run, don't walk away from Elan.  You are really doing more harm than you know.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
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On 2006-04-10 02:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Right, except when Missy keeps in constant contact with parents she lies.  

Missy would do much better if she got a little educated, did a little bit of self reflection and took a break from Elan for a few years.  Unquestioned, complacent, non stagnation is not so much a sign of dedication as it is of fear.

I'd like to believe that Missy is a good person, stuck in a bad place, that brings out bad things in her, and that she just doesn't know any better.  If I can quote from Help At Any Cost by Maia Szalavitz, page 67-68.

"Psychologists believe that Stockholm syndrome is caused by being placed in a situation of dependence on others who induce fear.  People often adapt to such ordeals by trying to placate their captors-and by becoming grateful for small acts of kindness.  By identifying with their captors and trying to manipulate them into providing better conditions, the victims gain a sense of control.  Through cognitive dissonance, however, this can cause the victims to support their own oppression by internally adopting the stance of their oppressors.  It is less psychologically stressful for the victims to adopt the captors' perspective than to dwell on their own helplessness.  Consequently, victims come to believe that they deserve harsh treatment."



So, in summation, Missy may have been better than others but she only seems good in comparison.  You had no control there and sometimes the only kindness of any sort you would receive in days or weeks would be from her.  So those singular moments of normalcy take on greater importance, because they were such uncommon experiences.  That doesn't mean your relationship was anything more than it what it really was, a contrived deliberate assignment where you were supposed to feel loyalty and love towards a person who, if you had the same relationship with outside of Elan or in a situation where you at least had a modicum of control, you would have run from, screaming, recognizing it as the abusive relationship it was.  

It is possible that Missy could really help people in a meaningful tangible way that is a result of her own hard work and caring rather than a false, corrupt and artifical world designed to create dependence.  Missy, run, don't walk away from Elan.  You are really doing more harm than you know."


Uhh, did you happen to notice to post youre replying to is about 18 months old?

Duh.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2006, 05:58:00 PM
Its a shame that after 20 some years you still allow Elan a moment of thought Felice.

Claire (and her husband Jim) were in the program during a very wild and fucked up time. Claire was in Elan 7, a really fucked up house to say the least.

Knowing Claire, and a bit about where she came from and what she went through in Elan to get herself together, it seems difficult to believe that any person who went through the program would have any motivations to become a staff member other than that of a personal need to legitamately help some fucked up kids.

I cant say this site is completely useless, though on the surface it would seem to be largely a waste of fucking cyberspace. But the kid industry needs to be kept in check. Maybe Fornits helps keep a magnifying glass held over places like Elan and that is a good thing. But 99% of this site is bullshit.
On the other hand, fornits, or the thoughts and ideas of the people of fornits is pretty extreme. While the site promotes a closer look at these places, its aim is to shut them all down? Can you say "dilusional"? I cant help but think that fornits has no direct effect on the PRESENT injustices dolled out to kids in these programs if in fact they continue to exsist.
A hard look at reality says these places are not going anywhere. 1 or 2 close thier doors, and another 1 or 2 open. Too bad resentment motivates the people of Fornits, when it could be far more effective if the people here had a common mission to raise awareness of what goes on NOW (rather than what went on in the fanastic past)
Challenge your local and national goverments to oversee these programs with a more powerful magnifying glass. Write your legislators to encourage more rigorous inspections and monitoring of these places. Take an active roll in what EXSISTS NOW, rather than the dilusional push to close them all down based on your own largely exagerated experience in one of them years ago.

While many people accuse Claire and other staff members of continuing the abuse that you/we/she experienced or witnessed back in the day, the reality is that many more lives are enhanced by these programs than are disrupted. The ratio is likely far more in favor of possitive experiences now than it was in the past.
I have to believe that Claire, and others like her (former residents of Elan) make a contribution to the good of Elan as oposed to being some so-called "brainwashed enforcer of evil" upon children.

Felice, I believe you have a valid beef with Elan, the people who sent you there, the people who subjected you to some pretty inhumane treatments for what may be or may have been a psychologic condition in need of medical treatment. But trust me, theres people that would be happy to know youve "let it all go" and took what few things you might have learned in Elan (or since then) with you in pursuit of closure and personal happiness... rather than the decades of lingering complaints and blame.

Is Elan really a valid excuse for all the bullshit youve been through since you left? Youre not the only one who got fucked Felice. Its been a while since Ive seen you or read your current feelings but based on my dealings with you in the past, Id say you continue to have some need to DISPLAY your Elan scars to everyone. Seems thats pretty common in here.

Youve got X amount of years left on this planet. Id guess your 40 years old now. How on earth can you spend even one more day, one more hour, one more SECOND of your life giving any thought at all to Elan? If you cared at all about Elan and the kids there now, you would know how much the program has changed, how well it does to prepare kids for the  responsibility of life on thier own.
Your Elan doesnt exsist any more. Its gone, Burried with Joe Ricci maybe?

But Ill also add this Felice. I think for anyone to go through what you went through in Elan in adition to what youve been through since leaving and LIVED to 40 years old to tell about should be proud.
Is it unreasonable to say youve defied some pretty terrible odds? Have you ever used that momentum to get to where you want to be?

Dont let Elan and its memory cast a dark shadow over one more minute of your life Felice. Get away from this place. Get away from Elan and its memory. Find some way to look back on it and be inspired by the fact that you survived it.

I hope your ok, and hope everyone here is or gets OK. I really dont think fornits lends itself to those ends though. Thats likely why you dont see me here anymore.

Im sure you know who I am by now Felice. Do me a favor and dont mention it here. The trolls with thier infinite wisdoms of the character and worthiness of people they may be able to identify with a name admitadly gets under my skin if just a little. Only because I cant stomp on thier faces which is the only way to get a little reality through to them.
NONE of you know me, or where I come from or where I am going. And Ill say this, Im happy and content with my life. So say what you gotta say if you really gotta say it, because it has no effect on me and my life, which I have no complaints about.

No, Im not Ken, or Art, or Bill or Bob or Pete or Richard or Uncle Fester.

Ill get a bigger kick out of the trolls who guess than they will posting that guess, and the swill that will follow.

Good luck Felice.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: xres8182 on April 13, 2006, 11:51:00 AM
I'm pretty sure Jim was in seven with me,and you are right it was a fucked up house.Should have called it gladiator house.Claire was in 8 with Ann and Linda.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Troll Control on April 13, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
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Too bad resentment motivates the people of Fornits, when it could be far more effective if the people here had a common mission to raise awareness of what goes on NOW...


Please don't generalize.  There are many of us that put in exhaustive amounts of labor to make a difference right now.

You're right in one sense: this forum is about the most petty and useless (for the purpose outlined above).

Maybe you can help, too.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
difficult to make a difference here at fornits,though many here I am close to. any real conversation is minimized by those who demand attention be paid to them full time. Seems i have had a similar conversation with you Felice.
Not sure I agree with all that was posted prior but some of it does make sense. Proud to have you as my friend and this summer Jackie and I are comin to see you
art
ps  ... bringin the good stuff from Kauffmens!
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: WTF2 on April 13, 2006, 04:54:00 PM
Hey Art I would love to meet up with you guys let me know when k?
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2006, 05:26:00 PM
somewhere around the 4th of july or a few days before
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: WTF2 on April 13, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
Cool just let me know for sure, so if I need anytime off of work I can plan ahead...
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2006, 08:36:00 PM
xres If I am not mistaken, Clairs maiden name is Monia, and she was a coordinator in Elan 7 when I got there. I dont know, maybe she was in 8, I just remember seeing her a lot. She has really really small tits!
Back then that sort of thing wasnt very attractive, but I sure like small titties now, after seeing what happens to the bigger ones when they turn 40.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: xres8182 on April 14, 2006, 11:31:00 PM
You are right about her maiden name. That's about it.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: xres8182 on April 14, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
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On 2006-04-12 14:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Its a shame that after 20 some years you still allow Elan a moment of thought Felice.



Claire (and her husband Jim) were in the program during a very wild and fucked up time. Claire was in Elan 7, a really fucked up house to say the least.



Knowing Claire, and a bit about where she came from and what she went through in Elan to get herself together, it seems difficult to believe that any person who went through the program would have any motivations to become a staff member other than that of a personal need to legitamately help some fucked up kids.



I cant say this site is completely useless, though on the surface it would seem to be largely a waste of fucking cyberspace. But the kid industry needs to be kept in check. Maybe Fornits helps keep a magnifying glass held over places like Elan and that is a good thing. But 99% of this site is bullshit.

On the other hand, fornits, or the thoughts and ideas of the people of fornits is pretty extreme. While the site promotes a closer look at these places, its aim is to shut them all down? Can you say "dilusional"? I cant help but think that fornits has no direct effect on the PRESENT injustices dolled out to kids in these programs if in fact they continue to exsist.

A hard look at reality says these places are not going anywhere. 1 or 2 close thier doors, and another 1 or 2 open. Too bad resentment motivates the people of Fornits, when it could be far more effective if the people here had a common mission to raise awareness of what goes on NOW (rather than what went on in the fanastic past)

Challenge your local and national goverments to oversee these programs with a more powerful magnifying glass. Write your legislators to encourage more rigorous inspections and monitoring of these places. Take an active roll in what EXSISTS NOW, rather than the dilusional push to close them all down based on your own largely exagerated experience in one of them years ago.



While many people accuse Claire and other staff members of continuing the abuse that you/we/she experienced or witnessed back in the day, the reality is that many more lives are enhanced by these programs than are disrupted. The ratio is likely far more in favor of possitive experiences now than it was in the past.

I have to believe that Claire, and others like her (former residents of Elan) make a contribution to the good of Elan as oposed to being some so-called "brainwashed enforcer of evil" upon children.



Felice, I believe you have a valid beef with Elan, the people who sent you there, the people who subjected you to some pretty inhumane treatments for what may be or may have been a psychologic condition in need of medical treatment. But trust me, theres people that would be happy to know youve "let it all go" and took what few things you might have learned in Elan (or since then) with you in pursuit of closure and personal happiness... rather than the decades of lingering complaints and blame.



Is Elan really a valid excuse for all the bullshit youve been through since you left? Youre not the only one who got fucked Felice. Its been a while since Ive seen you or read your current feelings but based on my dealings with you in the past, Id say you continue to have some need to DISPLAY your Elan scars to everyone. Seems thats pretty common in here.



Youve got X amount of years left on this planet. Id guess your 40 years old now. How on earth can you spend even one more day, one more hour, one more SECOND of your life giving any thought at all to Elan? If you cared at all about Elan and the kids there now, you would know how much the program has changed, how well it does to prepare kids for the  responsibility of life on thier own.

Your Elan doesnt exsist any more. Its gone, Burried with Joe Ricci maybe?



But Ill also add this Felice. I think for anyone to go through what you went through in Elan in adition to what youve been through since leaving and LIVED to 40 years old to tell about should be proud.

Is it unreasonable to say youve defied some pretty terrible odds? Have you ever used that momentum to get to where you want to be?



Dont let Elan and its memory cast a dark shadow over one more minute of your life Felice. Get away from this place. Get away from Elan and its memory. Find some way to look back on it and be inspired by the fact that you survived it.



I hope your ok, and hope everyone here is or gets OK. I really dont think fornits lends itself to those ends though. Thats likely why you dont see me here anymore.



Im sure you know who I am by now Felice. Do me a favor and dont mention it here. The trolls with thier infinite wisdoms of the character and worthiness of people they may be able to identify with a name admitadly gets under my skin if just a little. Only because I cant stomp on thier faces which is the only way to get a little reality through to them.

NONE of you know me, or where I come from or where I am going. And Ill say this, Im happy and content with my life. So say what you gotta say if you really gotta say it, because it has no effect on me and my life, which I have no complaints about.



No, Im not Ken, or Art, or Bill or Bob or Pete or Richard or Uncle Fester.



Ill get a bigger kick out of the trolls who guess than they will posting that guess, and the swill that will follow.



Good luck Felice.











"


I don't know who this person is but I loved this post.Every once in a while somebody posts something worth looking at.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: xres8182 on April 15, 2006, 12:03:00 AM
It pisses me off that Jim W came to this site and got run off by the dicks here. That dude was good people.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2006, 03:15:00 AM
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On 2006-04-14 20:31:00, xres8182 wrote:

"You are right about her maiden name. That's about it."


Thats about it?

Dude, maybe she was re-entry staff in 7.
And she had small tits. I remember them like theyre still in my hand...oh wait, thats not her tits in my hand...

Small tits rock there xres.
My GF is 40. She has small tits. The nipples are at exactly the same elevation they were when she was 15. No bra, ever, and they poke out of her skimpy little t-top like two little peaches in a two-peach pie brotha...Doesnt get any better than that ... Unless youre not into women? Or peach pie.



 :rofl:
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: xres8182 on April 15, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
I like titties but I don't like peach pie. I don't know what she did in re-entry,cause I was gone. She prob was staff in 7,but that's not what you said at first,so I misunderstood.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
clare has a tight butthole....need xtra KY
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
welcome shiteater
Mr Hilton nimself
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
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On 2006-04-15 15:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"clare has a tight butthole....need xtra KY"


Takes a real man to post shit like that. Congratulations.


Just an observation.
Its kinda sad to know that we live in country where freedoms are protected so god people can be happy yet bad people like the bitch above abuse those freedoms.
What we have above is just a tiny example of why the neuce around our freedoms gets tighter and tighter every day.
A post like the one above doesnt say a thing about Claire. But it speaks volumes about the caliber of people in this country who should be singled out and stripped of thier right to speak, and stripped of the freedoms that allow them to post shit like the above. These are the kinds of people we need to send to fight and die in our wars, not the brave men and women who are denied the very freedoms they fight for so people like the punk bitch above can abuse them and embarass us all.


Heres a lesson in freedom you little faggot.
The freedom of speech does not remove accountability for WHAT you say. But fornits has provided you a loophole. Fornits is just as responsible for the abuse of freedoms and rights as you are. You are an ememy of freedom, and fornits is your enabler.
Youre free to say whatever you like, but be a man, stand up, acknowledge your freedom and be thankful to those whove provided it to you by acknowledging them with your name.
If you had said that to her face, which you dont have the nuts to do either, youd have been charged with sexual assault. Fornits is your accomplis.
Fuck you, and fuck fornits.

Allan W. Sinclair
USMC retired.
Billings, Montana.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
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On 2006-04-15 18:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-04-15 15:34:00, Anonymous wrote:


"clare has a tight butthole....need xtra KY"




Takes a real man to post shit like that. Congratulations.





Just an observation.

Its kinda sad to know that we live in country where freedoms are protected so god people can be happy yet bad people like the bitch above abuse those freedoms.

What we have above is just a tiny example of why the neuce around our freedoms gets tighter and tighter every day.

A post like the one above doesnt say a thing about Claire. But it speaks volumes about the caliber of people in this country who should be singled out and stripped of thier right to speak, and stripped of the freedoms that allow them to post shit like the above. These are the kinds of people we need to send to fight and die in our wars, not the brave men and women who are denied the very freedoms they fight for so people like the punk bitch above can abuse them and embarass us all.





Heres a lesson in freedom you little faggot.

The freedom of speech does not remove accountability for WHAT you say. But fornits has provided you a loophole. Fornits is just as responsible for the abuse of freedoms and rights as you are. You are an ememy of freedom, and fornits is your enabler.

Youre free to say whatever you like, but be a man, stand up, acknowledge your freedom and be thankful to those whove provided it to you by acknowledging them with your name.

If you had said that to her face, which you dont have the nuts to do either, youd have been charged with sexual assault. Fornits is your accomplis.

Fuck you, and fuck fornits.



Allan W. Sinclair

USMC retired.

Billings, Montana.





 









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Thank you for sayin what so desperately needs to be said... If I had to guess,I would say that was troll a) Jordan / Troll b) Dave Kaczorowski... They are the punk bitches that not only have disrupted this site,but abuse their american rights as well..They are not men,hence their postings and lack of spine to sign their name. Fornits is just an avenue for which to do it and Ginger is the chief enabler,thinking she is follokwing some constitution that is no longer the law of the land. Not quite sure whom is the sickest of the three..
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Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: xres8182 on April 16, 2006, 12:00:00 AM
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On 2006-04-15 15:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"clare has a tight butthole....need xtra KY"


You are a piece of shit,that's why you have a bag on your head.
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
clare woodman was the shit
missy este was a dumb bitch
jamal was cooler then anything
jenn h.  was the shit
tina was annoying
jason pelletier was chill
Ken haskins was the definitely the shit
Marc was a goddamn pyscho
Title: Clare Woodman
Post by: RaeRae on April 19, 2006, 09:57:00 PM
who was clare woodman?  LOL