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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: dbucfan on October 30, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
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Darren delgado here...im really not worried bout people knowing who i am in fact you all probably dont even remember me because i was one of the lifers that left for S.T.E.P. in tampa...anyway whether you know me or not i will be visiting often...great site! :wave:
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So Darren -
Were you tortured and abused in STEP as well? Or LIFE? Did the program mess up your life?
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tortured...no...uncomfortable, and for a while...VERy unhappy but i got used to it...adapted and 7th stepped...almost became a staffer at step but i fell in love with another staffer and decided i couldnt be a staffer with my feelings for chandra...anyway my life is great...three kids...great wife...nice house and a career. it makes for some interesting and funny stories to tell my wife and friends!
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I remember you Darren. Tall, thin, dark hair. And Chandra Beatty -- lol ... you didn't marry her? Wonder how so many of you I knew there are doing now days? Like Tara, Paxton, Fran, Kris, Grant, Matt...
Remember Melinda Lopez? What an AIRHEAD.
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i wonder too... yeah thats me...not so thin anymore...5'11 195 lol!
thats what fatherhood and married life will do to ya!wanna email me who you are?
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once again...thats obviously my response above...i keep forgetting to sign in!! :evil:
anyway...here is my email...for anyone who wants to divulge there anonymous identity.[ This Message was edited by: dbucfan on 2004-11-01 12:24 ]dbucfan1@earthlink.net[ This Message was edited by: dbucfan on 2004-11-01 12:24 ]
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bump...
anyone?
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Darren,
I'd like to hear all about STEP. Were the first counselors all from SAFE. Was George Ross or Helen Peterman or any others from LIFE involved besides Gordon Davis?
Do you feel your experience was positive? Did it help you? Did you see any abuse in any program you were in? Do you have any papers including newspaper clippings? Do you know of anyone who is no longer living who went through any of these programs? Do you have any pictures of the program or facility?
You can post here or email me if you like at
wes@wesfager.com
Thank you,
Wes Fager
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On 2004-12-16 19:06:00, wesfager wrote:
"Darren,
I'd like to hear all about STEP. Were the first counselors all from SAFE. Was George Ross or Helen Peterman or any others from LIFE involved besides Gordon Davis?
Do you feel your experience was positive? Did it help you? Did you see any abuse in any program you were in? Do you have any papers including newspaper clippings? Do you know of anyone who is no longer living who went through any of these programs? Do you have any pictures of the program or facility?
You can post here or email me if you like at
wes@wesfager.com
Thank you,
Wes Fager
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Wow - you are just ITCHIN' to get some "dirt" on programs, or people, aren't ya?!? How pathetic.
Do you have a REAL job? If so, please devote your time to IT.
When programs have been closed for OVER a decade, I believe you can, rest assured, find NO abuse there (even though there never was any at STEP - though I'm sure you want to believe there was...for your stories and web site).
Do you work for the Inquirer? :lol:
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Wow - you are just ITCHIN' to get some "dirt" on programs, or people, aren't ya?!? How pathetic.
Do you have a REAL job? If so, please devote your time to IT.
Maybe this is his job. Jealous?
:rofl:
Maybe you should take your story to the Weekly World News... put it right up there with the aliens and the other conspiracies.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2004-12-17 05:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
Wow - you are just ITCHIN' to get some "dirt" on programs, or people, aren't ya?!? How pathetic.
Do you have a REAL job? If so, please devote your time to IT.
When programs have been closed for OVER a decade, I believe you can, rest assured, find NO abuse there (even though there never was any at STEP - though I'm sure you want to believe there was...for your stories and web site).
Do you work for the Inquirer? :lol: "
Do us all a favor and go play in traffic. Straight begat LIFE which begat STEP....they all use the same cultish practices. It all follows the direct line. Abuse doesn't have to be physical to leave a lasting impression. Most of the damage that was done to me was psychological stemming from the whole way it was set up. Break them down then build them back up. Talk about PATHETIC!!!!!!!
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Do us all a favor and go play in traffic. Straight begat LIFE which begat STEP....they all use the same cultish practices. It all follows the direct line. Abuse doesn't have to be physical to leave a lasting impression. Most of the damage that was done to me was psychological stemming from the whole way it was set up. Break them down then build them back up. Talk about PATHETIC!!!!!!!"
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Ah, what a nice comment. You people are SO classy. I AM jealous! Damn!
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Ah, what a nice comment. You people are SO classy. I AM jealous! Damn!"
Your point is.... :question: :???:
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Your point is.... :question: :wave:
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On 2004-12-17 05:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
Wow - you are just ITCHIN' to get some "dirt" on programs, or people, aren't ya?!? How pathetic.
Do you have a REAL job? If so, please devote your time to IT.
When programs have been closed for OVER a decade, I believe you can, rest assured, find NO abuse there (even though there never was any at STEP - though I'm sure you want to believe there was...for your stories and web site).
Do you work for the Inquirer? :roll:
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My point is --- go away "Sara". You're hopeless :wave: "
Figures that you don't have a point... as usual.
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Acutally, Anon 1, I don't want to go away. Such "classy" posts by you, that show such eloquent language skills and comprehension kinda draw me in like a witness to a train wreck.
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The counselors were all from life as step was a life spinoff. My parents actually helped get it going by having fundraisers as it was "non-profit", stuff like a fishing tournament in boca grande and art auctions etc.. I was on second phase when step opened and i moved back home to tampa from fostering out and the residentials in osprey(life). for me as i stated in the initial post...it was scary when i first got thier and could be uncomfortable and embarasssing at times. but i adapted. from what quite a few persons have said my experience was very tame in comparison. belt looping...no sharp objects...no belts...no doors on the bathroom stalls...getting pretty emotional in from of thirty of my peers...hearing stories of horrible childhoods from my peers and really not being able to relate made me feel awkward. overall as i look back on it, it was positive in my case. never saw sexual abuse...saw some restraining on runners or people who acted up in group. i didnt save any clippings or any stuff from the program...although i wish i could have saved my Moral inventories(MI's) just to recall more. i dont know if anyone has died that i went through life and step with. no pics of step but if your ever in tampa the address is an industrial park ner the airport...funny but the street it was on was called southern comfort road...lol!
Darren
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On 2004-12-18 16:04:00, dbucfan wrote:
"The counselors were all from life as step was a life spinoff. My parents actually helped get it going by having fundraisers as it was "non-profit", stuff like a fishing tournament in boca grande and art auctions etc.. I was on second phase when step opened and i moved back home to tampa from fostering out and the residentials in osprey(life). for me as i stated in the initial post...it was scary when i first got thier and could be uncomfortable and embarasssing at times. but i adapted. from what quite a few persons have said my experience was very tame in comparison. belt looping...no sharp objects...no belts...no doors on the bathroom stalls...getting pretty emotional in from of thirty of my peers...hearing stories of horrible childhoods from my peers and really not being able to relate made me feel awkward. overall as i look back on it, it was positive in my case. never saw sexual abuse...saw some restraining on runners or people who acted up in group. i didnt save any clippings or any stuff from the program...although i wish i could have saved my Moral inventories(MI's) just to recall more. i dont know if anyone has died that i went through life and step with. no pics of step but if your ever in tampa the address is an industrial park ner the airport...funny but the street it was on was called southern comfort road...lol!
Darren"
oh this is no good. no abuse and torture?? can't be! please rethink and come up with SOMETHING.
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oh this is no good. no abuse and torture?? can't be! please rethink and come up with SOMETHING."
Ok, so... WHY was LIFE shut down?
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Ok, so... WHY was LIFE shut down?
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LIFE was not shut down, but was bought out by Venice hospital, after a new Executive Staff person came in and spent a bunch of money on unnecessary things and put them in financial straights. Venice hospital then slowly changed the original model to mimick more of the "hospital" style setting/program, and those don't work, so it faded out.
It was NOT closed because of abuse. The cost of the program compared to those hospital 30 day fixes was NOTHING, so financially NO ONE was getting rich. This was also the case of a few other spin-off's by LIFE. Financially, they just couldn't stay afloat (Ft. Myers program, Winter Haven and Tampa).
Sorry to disappoint you (well, on second thought - not really).
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I know...I know...pretty boring stuff. I think the most terrifying thing that happened to me was forgetting to write an MI when i was on a (permission)? then i think i got sent back a phase for it!
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On 2004-12-19 15:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Ok, so... WHY was LIFE shut down?
LIFE was not shut down, but was bought out by Venice hospital, after a new Executive Staff person came in and spent a bunch of money on unnecessary things and put them in financial straights.
One new executive staff person came in and brought down the entire operation? Pray tell, what on earth did they buy?
Venice hospital then slowly changed the original model to mimick more of the "hospital" style setting/program, and those don't work, so it faded out.
A clinical setting didn't work? Wonder why other clinical settings don't "fade out" ... hmmmm....
It was NOT closed because of abuse. The cost of the program compared to those hospital 30 day fixes was NOTHING, so financially NO ONE was getting rich.
So, compared to a hospital, LIFE was cheaper? Or perhaps it was just that no reputable insurance companies would pay for such a sham? But there was no abuse.. no. :silly:
This was also the case of a few other spin-off's by LIFE. Financially, they just couldn't stay afloat (Ft. Myers program, Winter Haven and Tampa).
Does this sound strangely familiar to anyone else? :grin: As for me... Gee, I wonder why? Must have been that elusive executive staff person spending too much money on cushy dwellings for those rotten kids?
Sorry to disappoint you (well, on second thought - not really)."
Disappoint me? Hardly! No, keep on a-typing... you're giving us all a good laugh here! :lol:[ This Message was edited by: Sara-84 on 2004-12-19 19:16 ]
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On 2004-12-19 17:42:00, dbucfan wrote:
"I know...I know...pretty boring stuff. I think the most terrifying thing that happened to me was forgetting to write an MI when i was on a (permission)? then i think i got sent back a phase for it!"
You poor baby! :roll:
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"I was a long time coming
I'll be a long time gone
you've got your whole life to do something
and that's not very long"
- Ani DiFranco [ This Message was edited by: Sara-84 on 2004-12-19 19:14 ]
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Seems Ms Sara has an answer for everything. Oh wise one - it is a privledge to be amid your presence.
You asked and were answered. If you have ALL the answers, then please stop playing games and stop ASKING.
Just for the record - this was PRIOR to Insurance paying for tretament - when it was $3,000 or $4,000 for HOWEVER long it took (like a year, or whatever) --- not $2,000 a DAY from Insurance connected psych wards. This particular Executive staff came in thinking she had all the answers, and started hiring excess Exec. staff, etc... (not "WHAT did she buy"), and changed the MODEL of the program.
That info. wasn't for Sara (who wants to dispute truths she knows nothing about), but for those of you who are sincerely interested in the facts.
Didn't Sara say she was "gone" before?!?! No more posts?!? Promises, promises.
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On 2004-12-19 19:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Just for the record - this was PRIOR to Insurance paying for tretament - when it was $3,000 or $4,000 for HOWEVER long it took (like a year, or whatever)
That was just the initial fee. That doesn't include the monthly fees.
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You asked and were answered. If you have ALL the answers, then please stop playing games and stop ASKING.
Seems someone is tired of getting caught in lies...or is it just leftover disinformation that you're still caught up in? Playing games? Baby, you're the one spinning the truth, not me.
Just for the record - this was PRIOR to Insurance paying for tretament - when it was $3,000 or $4,000 for HOWEVER long it took (like a year, or whatever) --- not $2,000 a DAY from Insurance connected psych wards.
$2000 a day for a psych ward? Is that a fact?
Then explain to me why the "cushiest" hospital in 2001 charged about $300 a day?
See, this is what I mean - 20+ years later, and you're still spewing what you were told in your junior staff training.
This particular Executive staff came in thinking she had all the answers, and started hiring excess Exec. staff, etc... (not "WHAT did she buy"), and changed the MODEL of the program.
Oh God FORBID did she hire people who were LICENSED??? From accredited universities even?? :scared: Did she change the model of the program to something that was actually recognized by the AMA and the APA... You know... like the programs that treat actual problems and aren't in the news every other week? Or did you know those places even existed, Madam
Spokesperson?
That info. wasn't for Sara (who wants to dispute truths she knows nothing about), but for those of you who are sincerely interested in the facts.
Speaking of trth, I noticed you had nothing to say about Petermann's credentials. Come on now... let's hear the truth from you, since you seem to have it all holed up in that narrow little mind of yours.
Didn't Sara say she was "gone" before?!?! No more posts?!? Promises, promises."
Yep, sure did. I deal in facts, and when you and the other 'kids' just want to fling your toys around the proverbial playground, I won't participate.
I'm sure you wish I would go away. Kind of uncomfortable knowing I'm sitting here with names, dates and facts, isn't it? Tell you what, Mouthpiece... next time someone asks about the program, I'll just give them your phone number, okay? :wave:
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She was a damn high school grad...big deal. The only "credentials" she had was that she was a class "A" bitch. That lady was worth nothing, she is a piece of crap.
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I'm sure you wish I would go away. Kind of uncomfortable knowing I'm sitting here with names, dates and facts, isn't it? Tell you what, Mouthpiece... next time someone asks about the program, I'll just give them your phone number, okay? :wave: "
rofl ... YOU have FACTS?! rrriigghhhhttt. You are humorous. I'll give you that. But you're right. You should have NEVER been put in a program like this. You're FAR beyond that small scale help. You proabably do know about psych wards...personal experience no doubt (and/or family history).
I've obviously got you caught up in this. You just CAN'T stay away. Always have to put your two cents in, along with your snide remarks. And I LOVE how you take the time to break down each quote to question, correct and rebute it all.
All I can really do here is shake my head in pity for you. Believe whatever you MUST to make yourself feel RIGHT - it really matters NOT, to me.
Now CARRY ON Sara, ridding the world of evil treatment centers. You ARE my hero! :lol:
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On 2004-12-20 12:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
rofl ... YOU have FACTS?! rrriigghhhhttt. You are humorous. I'll give you that. But you're right. You should have NEVER been put in a program like this. You're FAR beyond that small scale help. You proabably do know about psych wards...personal experience no doubt (and/or family history).
If it makes you feel better to believe that - you go right ahead. :roll: Oh, here we go with the sandbox again.
Can you really be that obtuse?
Oh wait.. I'm asking someone who actually thinks "rebute" is a word. :roll:
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On 2004-12-20 04:28:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"She was a damn high school grad...big deal. The only "credentials" she had was that she was a class "A" bitch. That lady was worth nothing, she is a piece of crap."
I thought she was a drop-out?
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On 2004-12-20 12:44:00, Sara-84 wrote:
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On 2004-12-20 04:28:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"She was a damn high school grad...big deal. The only "credentials" she had was that she was a class "A" bitch. That lady was worth nothing, she is a piece of crap."
I thought she was a drop-out?
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So did I. Even if she actually graduated, how the fuck does that make her qualified to be the director of such a program???????
You are ignoring the question. Helen Petermann, exec/clinical director of LIFE.....what exactly qualified her for that position?
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So did I. Even if she actually graduated, how the fuck does that make her qualified to be the director of such a program???????
You are ignoring the question. Helen Petermann, exec/clinical director of LIFE.....what exactly qualified her for that position?"
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Whoa, hang on there... you're attacking the wrong person - I asked the question in the first place!
I'm still waiting for answer too!
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That's me forgetting to sign in again. :roll:
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On 2004-12-20 14:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Whoa, hang on there... you're attacking the wrong person - I asked the question in the first place!
I'm still waiting for answer too!"
Anon- that's just Sara's MO. Attack.
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Maybe Peterman's credentials to run a program, are the same as Sara's to critique every post on this site. lol :grin:
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I see this place is just brimming with intelligence, as usual! ::nod:: ::nod:: ::nod::
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On 2004-12-20 14:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-12-20 14:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Whoa, hang on there... you're attacking the wrong person - I asked the question in the first place!
I'm still waiting for answer too!"
Anon- that's just Sara's MO. Attack."
No, that wasn't Sara. I should have been more clear in who I directed that to. Sorry.
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On 2004-12-20 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Maybe Peterman's credentials to run a program, are the same as Sara's to critique every post on this site. lol :grin: "
You're an idiot.
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On 2004-12-19 19:12:00, Sara-84 wrote:
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On 2004-12-19 17:42:00, dbucfan wrote:
"I know...I know...pretty boring stuff. I think the most terrifying thing that happened to me was forgetting to write an MI when i was on a (permission)? then i think i got sent back a phase for it!"
You poor baby! :wave:
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[/quote]sorry i wasnt tortured, molested, or turn out nasty and hateful. :wave: "
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I smell an insinuation there. Is it?
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That was me, Darren. And I hope you're not insinuating that I turned out hateful and nasty. Perhaps you didn't read my answer to what you asked a while back ("What do you do? Are you a graduate of anything?") I'm a pretty happy person having lots of fun, and living a pretty nice life.
Sammie said it best: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=13#64460 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6907&forum=13#64460)
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On 2004-12-21 03:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-12-20 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Maybe Peterman's credentials to run a program, are the same as Sara's to critique every post on this site. lol :nworthy:
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"I was a long time coming
I'll be a long time gone
you've got your whole life to do something
and that's not very long"
- Ani DiFranco[ This Message was edited by: Sara-84 on 2004-12-21 17:56 ]
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In your own words:
"Oh, here we go with the sandbox again"
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On 2004-12-21 19:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In your own words:
"Oh, here we go with the sandbox again""
Ya know... it's like my great grandmother told me: "call 'em at their own game"
So? When do we get the answer?
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no...no...i was apologizing to the people who were dissapointed that my story of my life in life and step was soo boring...thats includes you with your poor baby comment...nothing malicious meant.
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On 2004-12-22 18:15:00, dbucfan wrote:
"no...no...i was apologizing to the people who were dissapointed that my story of my life in life and step was soo boring...thats includes you with your poor baby comment...nothing malicious meant."
Maybe you missed the point. That's why I referred you to Sammie's post. Just pecause an evil person is not evil to you doesn't make that person any less evil.
There is a recent news article out about Growing Together - a direct LIFE spawn. It's a very disturbing six page read.
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004- ... ature.html (http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004-12-09/feature.html)
Someone else is putting together a movie which encompasses all of these places - LIFE included.
http://www.straightkids.com/page6.html (http://www.straightkids.com/page6.html)
Maybe those running STEP weren't as evil. Maybe it was everything you say it was. That's fine, Darren. But don't minimize other people's real pain and mock them because you have your blinders on. Yeah, some people are nasty and hateful. I wonder what you would be like today if you were beaten, tortured, maybe even sexually assaulted?
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Sara writes:
"There is a recent news article out about Growing Together - a direct LIFE spawn. It's a very disturbing six page read.
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004- ... ature.html (http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004-12-09/feature.html)"
And we all know you should believe EVERYTHING you read! I emailed this reporter to give him my input on the program, when he first asked for input. He responded as interested, but when I revieled NO abuse, torture etc., he did not respond. I emailed him again - no response. And contacted him a 3rd time - NO reply. Guess he wasn't looking for ANYTHING but the "paper selling" stuff. Imagine that!
Saras writes:
"Maybe those running STEP weren't as evil. Maybe it was everything you say it was. That's fine, Darren. But don't minimize other people's real pain and mock them because you have your blinders on. Yeah, some people are nasty and hateful. I wonder what you would be like today if you were beaten, tortured, maybe even sexually assaulted?"
Speaking of blinders...
And some people REFUSE to believe ANYTHING that contradicts what THEY believe/think. Evil can fester in the hearts of people...and spew out in all kinds of forms. Take a look at your OWN heart. If you want peace in your life, looking inside yourself would be a GREAT place to start. Good Luck.
Merry Christmas, peace in your hearts!
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And we all know you should believe EVERYTHING you read! I emailed this reporter to give him my input on the program, when he first asked for input. He responded as interested, but when I revieled NO abuse, torture etc., he did not respond. I emailed him again - no response. And contacted him a 3rd time - NO reply. Guess he wasn't looking for ANYTHING but the "paper selling" stuff. Imagine that!
Funny. I spent hours talking to the guy. I told him I personally suffered no actual abuse. We talked on more than one occasion about the methology involved, the positives and the negatives. Maybe if you tried a pragmatic, rather than an subjective approach?
Hey, why don't you tell that kid who was sexually assaulted that his story is nothing but an attempt to sell a newspaper?
Speaking of blinders...
And some people REFUSE to believe ANYTHING that contradicts what THEY believe/think. Evil can fester in the hearts of people...and spew out in all kinds of forms. Take a look at your OWN heart. If you want peace in your life, looking inside yourself would be a GREAT place to start. Good Luck.
Think about your statement. Maybe it's time to check yourself. I have no complaints about my life.
Merry Christmas, peace in your hearts!
Merry Christmas to you too! :smile: :wave:
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"Maybe those running STEP weren't as evil. Maybe it was everything you say it was. That's fine, Darren. But don't minimize other people's real pain and mock them because you have your blinders on. Yeah, some people are nasty and hateful. I wonder what you would be like today if you were beaten, tortured, maybe even sexually assaulted?"
When did i minimize anyone elses experience? all i did was state what MY experiences were. when did i mock ANYONE? are you high...have you lost your mind??? what are you reading? since i have been here i have tried to keep an open mind about you and why you feel and react the way you do but you may be as nuts as everyone else says. the next time i try to relate a story i wont, since it comes off as an attack on the unfortunate ones who were abused.
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What qualified Helen Peterman to run juvenile drug rehabilitation programs?
A lot of people have asked this question; not only of Peterman but of other staffers in these programs.
We know it wasn't any formal education or certification because she never had any. I think all of her qualificiations came from her direct involvement in The Seed and Seed spin offs. Having been a high school drop out then a fuckup as a parent and then joined 3 documented abusive cults consecutivly is all the qualification you need to run another one.
That's the one common thread. Dr. Miller Newton was not a medical or psychiatric doctor. His doctorate was in anthropology. In the real world, he was qualified to be a history teacher, not a drug counselor. But he put a kid in Straight, became obsessively active in the Parent group and that qualified him as executive director at Straight and founder of Kids.
Art Barker may or may not have graduated high school. The qualification that he bragged about was having been a skidrow drunk and chronic AA member.
That's the whole basis of the Synanon method; fuckups counseling fuckups. Now, in my opinion, if people want to join these cults and dedicate their lives to defining themselves and others by their maladies, ok. I honestly don't have a big problem w/ that. But when they have the hubris to force young people (and old, as they do in court ordered stepcraft 'treatment') to endure their dubious newage bullshit and they force me to chip in by way of tax deductions and public funding and they force others to participate through court ordered involvement, then I have a problem w/ it.
Essentially, I see these people as self deluded into thinking their fuckups qualify them to dictate whatever they like to whomever they see fit. They have every right in this free country to delude themselves. But they have no right to fuck w/ others or to demand public funding and public policy to their benefit.
The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
--Anonymous
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Yes. Life experience counts for nothing. Book smarts (degrees) are the ONLY accpetable education.
Just ask Bill W. His "treatment" concept failed immediatley, right?
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On 2004-12-23 17:39:00, dbucfan wrote:
When did i minimize anyone elses experience? all i did was state what MY experiences were. when did i mock ANYONE? are you high...have you lost your mind??? what are you reading?
You can't see how your response here http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#71882 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7040&forum=13&start=30#71882) just might come off as sarcastic?
Yeah, there are a lot of angry people out there, and most with good reason. Your response seems to ooze with "Sucks to be you" mentality.
since i have been here i have tried to keep an open mind about you and why you feel and react the way you do but you may be as nuts as everyone else says. the next time i try to relate a story i wont, since it comes off as an attack on the unfortunate ones who were abused.
Yeah, Darren, you have, for the most part. But some of your comments, such as the post I referred to above really seem like a thinly veiled put down to a lot of people who don't hold such a high opinon of the program and staff.
Just because I don't agree with you and Ms. Junior Staff means I'm junkie nut? That's typical groupthink. Why is it that you guys can't reconcile the fact that a lot of people who didn't "graduate" aren't "DeadInsaneInJail"?
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On 2004-12-24 08:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Yes. Life experience counts for nothing. Book smarts (degrees) are the ONLY accpetable education.
Just ask Bill W. His "treatment" concept failed immediatley, right?"
Maybe it was a good idea at the time. Maybe Bill and his buddies got their shit together by helping each other. But maybe the "concept", like a lot of other things got bastardized along the way.
Seems the 12-step process just trades a substance dependency for a group dependency. Tell me, if this isn't so, then why are people still doing the "Insert your favorite dependency here"Anonomous" meetings decades later? I run into people who have been "going to group" for the last TWENTY FIVE FUCKING YEARS!!!
You can't have that booze, that "substance" or that cheesecake ... but you can have that addiction of showing up to sit in that chair and listen to the guy or gal at the podium say "My name is X and I'm an X-aholic"?? THIS is healthy?
Christ - there's an X-anon for everything... even slobs: http://www.messies.com/ (http://www.messies.com/) Get REAL! :silly:
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On 2004-12-27 11:56:00, Sara-84 wrote:
Maybe it was a good idea at the time. Maybe Bill and his buddies got their shit together by helping each other. But maybe the "concept", like a lot of other things got bastardized along the way.
No way!!! Bullshit W. was a certifiable fucking lunatic. Seriously, he was. It never fails to amaze me that people actually live their lives based on this guys "rules" that he stole from a know cult. WTF is WRONG with these people????
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On 2004-12-27 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-12-27 11:56:00, Sara-84 wrote:
Maybe it was a good idea at the time. Maybe Bill and his buddies got their shit together by helping each other. But maybe the "concept", like a lot of other things got bastardized along the way.
No way!!! Bullshit W. was a certifiable fucking lunatic. Seriously, he was. It never fails to amaze me that people actually live their lives based on this guys "rules" that he stole from a know cult. WTF is WRONG with these people????"
I hear ya! I said "maybe" :smile: [ This Message was edited by: Sara-84 on 2004-12-27 17:01 ]
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On 2004-12-27 09:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-12-23 17:39:00, dbucfan wrote:
When did i minimize anyone elses experience? all i did was state what MY experiences were. when did i mock ANYONE? are you high...have you lost your mind??? what are you reading?
You can't see how your response here http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#71882 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7040&forum=13&start=30#71882) just might come off as sarcastic?
Yeah, there are a lot of angry people out there, and most with good reason. Your response seems to ooze with "Sucks to be you" mentality.
since i have been here i have tried to keep an open mind about you and why you feel and react the way you do but you may be as nuts as everyone else says. the next time i try to relate a story i wont, since it comes off as an attack on the unfortunate ones who were abused.
Yeah, Darren, you have, for the most part. But some of your comments, such as the post I referred to above really seem like a thinly veiled put down to a lot of people who don't hold such a high opinon of the program and staff.
Just because I don't agree with you and Ms. Junior Staff means I'm junkie nut? That's typical groupthink. Why is it that you guys can't reconcile the fact that a lot of people who didn't "graduate" aren't "DeadInsaneInJail"? "
my response was a rebuttal to a "SARCASTIC" "poor baby :roll:" comment. cant anyone act just as bitchy and nasty as you or do you have the market cornered... share baby? and i didnt say i had a high opinion of the program...it just didnt fuck me up like some other people...im not better than anyone here and never said i was...i said my experience. dont like it move on...dont hijack my thread with this off-topic bullshit!
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my response was a rebuttal to a "SARCASTIC" "poor baby :roll:" comment. cant anyone act just as bitchy and nasty as you or do you have the market cornered... share baby?
Yep... you can be all you wanna be. The last time I checked, it was a free country! That also means I don't have to "share" with you, baby - and this isn't "rap"! :roll:
and i didnt say i had a high opinion of the program...it just didnt fuck me up like some other people...im not better than anyone here and never said i was...i said my experience. dont like it move on...dont hijack my thread with this off-topic bullshit!"
Go back to your regularly scheduled thread, Darren.
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On 2004-12-27 19:11:00, ~-=Sara=-~ wrote:
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my response was a rebuttal to a "SARCASTIC" "poor baby :wave: