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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 23, 2004, 06:30:00 PM
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ok....wellcome to the court. Thought we should have a dedicated place to play with "The Anon's"
so Have at it - oooops let me start some topics
1. Why I feel the need to show my @$$ and anger others that don't "agree" with my views"
2. Why is it that (from Anon's) point of view any and everyone that shares that their experience in L.I.F.E. wasn't as spiritual as his/hers are they HORRIBLE...
3. Why do you stay Anon....
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ugh....the above was posted via me.....I didnt log in....dammit...lol
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nothing??? not even from wendy??
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On 2004-10-31 16:45:00, GypSeA wrote:
"nothing??? not even from wendy??"
Interesting, isn't it?
:lol:
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do people really chastise you for have a horrible experience??? hmmm...i mean...i really dont agree with everything they did...the methods and as i have stated in other posts it wasnt a magical experience but i would never chastise anyone for their opinion.
one question though...how many of the people with horrible experiences ran or left the program early...how many acted up and did things to get thrown out/restrained etc.?
i dont want to judge...just trying to get a feel of the persons who hate...and threaten burning and death on certain persons. :grin:
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On 2004-11-01 12:24:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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On 2004-10-31 16:45:00, GypSeA wrote:
"nothing??? not even from wendy??"
Interesting, isn't it?
:lol: "
lol - nope, I'm not wendy. guess again! would be interesting if you DO guess correctly, but I'm doubting it.
oh - and I'm laughing cuz you must think I sit by my computer, gazing at this site daily, as many of you seem to do. I'm much too busy for that. I'm only reading the posts here occassionally, to get a laugh or two. I can't join in in the bitching and complaining, cuz I don't have those "victimized" memories. Nope, not joining your club here girls. :lol:
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Hi, Wendy!
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On 2004-11-01 16:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-11-01 12:24:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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On 2004-10-31 16:45:00, GypSeA wrote:
"nothing??? not even from wendy??"
Interesting, isn't it?
:???:
That's why I "watched" this topic? Get it yet?
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funny how you feel the need to fully explain everything Sara
your posts are always so condescending
do you come across above all others offline too?
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On 2004-11-01 12:35:00, dbucfan wrote:
"do people really chastise you for have a horrible experience??? hmmm...i mean...i really dont agree with everything they did...the methods and as i have stated in other posts it wasnt a magical experience but i would never chastise anyone for their opinion.
one question though...how many of the people with horrible experiences ran or left the program early...how many acted up and did things to get thrown out/restrained etc.?
i dont want to judge...just trying to get a feel of the persons who hate...and threaten burning and death on certain persons. :grin: "
Some us were too scared to run, or act up or do anything to get restrained. Some of us wound up catatonic from sheer shock. Why? Because one day, we were normal kids... the next thing we knew, we were exiled from our homes, taken out of school, forbidden to read so much as a milk carton or listen to the morning news, forbidden to look a person in the eye, and denied basic privacy to take a shit in peace. .. because somehow, in some super paranoid "adult" infinite wisdom, that was a way to treat a "drug problem"... a drug problem that the majority of us didn't have.
Yeah, that probably sounds like denial to you. The sheer fact is -- many problems were concocted in two ways: 1) by family and staff and pro-peers, for reasons we're still awaiting, and 2) by the kids involved -- primarily in an effort to appease those family members, staff and pro-peers -- in desperation to get the fuck away from the insanity!
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"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-01 20:59 ]
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On 2004-11-01 20:06:00, OddMan wrote:
"funny how you feel the need to fully explain everything Sara
your posts are always so condescending
do you come across above all others offline too?"
"Always", huh? Well, if you consider the truth condescending, then, yeah -- I'm spreading the word.
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On 2004-11-01 20:45:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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On 2004-11-01 12:35:00, dbucfan wrote:
"do people really chastise you for have a horrible experience??? hmmm...i mean...i really dont agree with everything they did...the methods and as i have stated in other posts it wasnt a magical experience but i would never chastise anyone for their opinion.
one question though...how many of the people with horrible experiences ran or left the program early...how many acted up and did things to get thrown out/restrained etc.?
i dont want to judge...just trying to get a feel of the persons who hate...and threaten burning and death on certain persons. :grin: "
Some us were too scared to run, or act up or do anything to get restrained. Some of us wound up catatonic from sheer shock. Why? Because one day, we were normal kids... the next thing we knew, we were exiled from our homes, taken out of school, forbidden to read so much as a milk carton or listen to the morning news, forbidden to look a person in the eye, and denied basic privacy to take a shit in peace. .. because somehow, in some super paranoid "adult" infinite wisdom, that was a way to treat a "drug problem"... a drug problem that the majority of us didn't have.
Yeah, that probably sounds like denial to you. The sheer fact is -- many problems were concocted in two ways: 1) by family and staff and pro-peers, for reasons we're still awaiting, and 2) by the kids involved -- primarily in an effort to appease those family members, staff and pro-peers -- in desperation to get the fuck away from the insanity!
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"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-01 20:59 ]"
In my case...i had a few bad weekends of drinking but the real stiry was that i was telling my parents to F off and...not doing what was asked of me...being totally disrespectful...etc. etc.
anyway i think in my case it was more of the attitude than anything else. but it got me to where i realized how much of a pos i was acting like...now i'm 32 and i have kids...and when my 9 year old gets smart alecky i see myself smart mouthing my parents and then as i got older i just treated them like total poop. it scared the crap outta me but i see why now and understand better. i think i have a relationship with my parents because of it...this is just my personal feelings i fel horrible for all the horrible things that happened to you and everyone else...once again it wasnt a wonderful experience but i feel I was better for it.
darren
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once again i forgot to sign in...sorry!
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Darren
I echo your situation. Sure , no one WANTS to go into a strict program as a teen, but ya can't always get what you want, huh? I was a brat, sorry attitude, minimal drug use....but... I'm certainly better off for the experience too.
I choose not to disclose my name (info.) here, as I have read some pretty mentally scary posts from some mentally scary people ... threats, SICK stuff. Have no need to have my info. OUT there for them to look up.
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On 2004-11-01 21:08:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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On 2004-11-01 20:06:00, OddMan wrote:
"funny how you feel the need to fully explain everything Sara
your posts are always so condescending
do you come across above all others offline too?"
"Always", huh? Well, if you consider the truth condescending, then, yeah -- I'm spreading the word.
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you're certainly spreding SOMETHING -- it ain't "the word" though! :lol:
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On 2004-11-02 15:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Darren
I echo your situation. Sure , no one WANTS to go into a strict program as a teen, but ya can't always get what you want, huh? I was a brat, sorry attitude, minimal drug use....but... I'm certainly better off for the experience too.
I choose not to disclose my name (info.) here, as I have read some pretty mentally scary posts from some mentally scary people ... threats, SICK stuff. Have no need to have my info. OUT there for them to look up."
i can understand that...i believe you have a right to stay anonymous just like i believe that these hurt people have a right to hate. it's not good but i believe thay have to deal somehow.i dont believe it needs to be killing, burning or maiming though!
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And I agree that people should and do have the choice/right to reply, make a statement, etc under Anon. However, I found it to be somewhat amusing AND anoying at the same time that someone under a "Anon bag" felt that it was ok to just post my first and last name.
Also, in my OPINION (had to put that word in caps because for some reason a lot of people here seem to take ones OPINION - as them saying THIS IS THE WAY IT IS) and go the hell off on you...lol
This is POSSIBLY the same reason why Sara "over explains" everything....lol
Anyway back to my OPINION. Its childish however when the Anon is used to hide ones Identity because they want to take their anger out on people that dont agree with them. A place to stomp their feet. And if its not ANGER they wish to express and they just wanna PROVE how great their program (which ever one it was) was great....go create a positive site for straight, Life, Safe (and many more) and have at it. Go on trips whatever.........
Funny though I was just reading an article on "cults" and heres the short of it. Some people will conform to a "cults" way of thinking/beliefs....because this is their way of dealing, their survival tactic. Some people fight.......and of course their experience would obviously be a little more "negitive" then someone that choose to "conform". DUH Now I'm not saying that either way was bad...And good for you if you are someone that got a lot out of the program. It just still is a mystery to me as to why - for those who think it was the best- even come on this site..........I doubt your gonna convince people otherwise.....
Correct me if I'm wrong this site was created for people to share their experiences...and those of us that may reach out for help etc etc.......but we are not in group anymore so knock it off with the fucking attacking people....for real....get a grip.....
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In my case...i had a few bad weekends of drinking but the real stiry was that i was telling my parents to F off and...not doing what was asked of me...being totally disrespectful...etc. etc.
anyway i think in my case it was more of the attitude than anything else. but it got me to where i realized how much of a pos i was acting like...now i'm 32 and i have kids...and when my 9 year old gets smart alecky i see myself smart mouthing my parents and then as i got older i just treated them like total poop. it scared the crap outta me but i see why now and understand better. i think i have a relationship with my parents because of it...this is just my personal feelings i fel horrible for all the horrible things that happened to you and everyone else...once again it wasnt a wonderful experience but i feel I was better for it.
darren"
There are lots of people in this world who were "POS" kids growing up -- who grew up to be functional, successful adults without being programmed. If you came through it all unscathed, you're lucky. There are a lot of people now who are in worse shape because of the program.
It's a sad day when you can lock a kid up for having a "smart mouth".
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On 2004-11-04 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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In my case...i had a few bad weekends of drinking but the real stiry was that i was telling my parents to F off and...not doing what was asked of me...being totally disrespectful...etc. etc.
anyway i think in my case it was more of the attitude than anything else. but it got me to where i realized how much of a pos i was acting like...now i'm 32 and i have kids...and when my 9 year old gets smart alecky i see myself smart mouthing my parents and then as i got older i just treated them like total poop. it scared the crap outta me but i see why now and understand better. i think i have a relationship with my parents because of it...this is just my personal feelings i fel horrible for all the horrible things that happened to you and everyone else...once again it wasnt a wonderful experience but i feel I was better for it.
darren"
There are lots of people in this world who were "POS" kids growing up -- who grew up to be functional, successful adults without being programmed. If you came through it all unscathed, you're lucky. There are a lot of people now who are in worse shape because of the program.
It's a sad day when you can lock a kid up for having a "smart mouth".
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LIFE had no "locks". And when LIFE gives you lemons, you make Lemonaid (if you're smart)
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On 2004-11-04 20:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-11-04 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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In my case...i had a few bad weekends of drinking but the real stiry was that i was telling my parents to F off and...not doing what was asked of me...being totally disrespectful...etc. etc.
anyway i think in my case it was more of the attitude than anything else. but it got me to where i realized how much of a pos i was acting like...now i'm 32 and i have kids...and when my 9 year old gets smart alecky i see myself smart mouthing my parents and then as i got older i just treated them like total poop. it scared the crap outta me but i see why now and understand better. i think i have a relationship with my parents because of it...this is just my personal feelings i fel horrible for all the horrible things that happened to you and everyone else...once again it wasnt a wonderful experience but i feel I was better for it.
darren"
There are lots of people in this world who were "POS" kids growing up -- who grew up to be functional, successful adults without being programmed. If you came through it all unscathed, you're lucky. There are a lot of people now who are in worse shape because of the program.
It's a sad day when you can lock a kid up for having a "smart mouth".
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LIFE had no "locks". And when LIFE gives you lemons, you make Lemonaid (if you're smart)"
dbucfan/Darren here...now even i...one of the lemonaid crew...know that there were no "locks" but the oldcomers at the door would stop you if you tried to leave...ha haha...the no "locks" statement makes me laugh...no offense to anonymous. :wave:
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On 2004-11-04 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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In my case...i had a few bad weekends of drinking but the real stiry was that i was telling my parents to F off and...not doing what was asked of me...being totally disrespectful...etc. etc.
anyway i think in my case it was more of the attitude than anything else. but it got me to where i realized how much of a pos i was acting like...now i'm 32 and i have kids...and when my 9 year old gets smart alecky i see myself smart mouthing my parents and then as i got older i just treated them like total poop. it scared the crap outta me but i see why now and understand better. i think i have a relationship with my parents because of it...this is just my personal feelings i fel horrible for all the horrible things that happened to you and everyone else...once again it wasnt a wonderful experience but i feel I was better for it.
darren"
There are lots of people in this world who were "POS" kids growing up -- who grew up to be functional, successful adults without being programmed. If you came through it all unscathed, you're lucky. There are a lot of people now who are in worse shape because of the program.
It's a sad day when you can lock a kid up for having a "smart mouth".
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I dont think i was the smart mouth that caused my parents to sign me up...i think it was the F YOU'S every time they said "gimme your car keys" or not ever helping my family with chores around the house or the not knowing where i was...ever.
however...i have a funny story i just remembered...my parents were told to get rid of my Stephen King books because i might be into the occult or satanism...that was FUNNY! but overall...i learned a lot and believe it or not i had some good times too.
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dbucfan/Darren here...now even i...one of the lemonaid crew...know that there were no "locks" but the oldcomers at the door would stop you if you tried to leave...ha haha...the no "locks" statement makes me laugh...no offense to anonymous. :wave: "
I'm glad you said that Darren. While I and most others around here may not fully agree with you on the methods that you claim to have helped you -- it's good to hear from someone who can disagree without sounding like a pre-school bully in a sandbox.
Personally, I stayed in oldcomer homes with the locks reversed and the windows nailed shut. But I wasn't really talking about hardware involved anyway... although, I do seem to remember a chain padlocked around the handles of the double doors in the rap room.
The point was - mental shackles are worse than the physical lack of freedom.
And to Anon-o-Coward: No Locks? They why couldn't we leave at will? If we did manage to get away, why were we taken by force back into the building?
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I dont think i was the smart mouth that caused my parents to sign me up...i think it was the F YOU'S every time they said "gimme your car keys" or not ever helping my family with chores around the house or the not knowing where i was...ever.
however...i have a funny story i just remembered...my parents were told to get rid of my Stephen King books because i might be into the occult or satanism...that was FUNNY! but overall...i learned a lot and believe it or not i had some good times too."
So you had an attitude problem. Maybe that was your parent's fault. If it was clear that you weren't allowed to say or demand such things, maybe you'd have never tried it?
You know what I found ironic? The amount of kids who wound up in there for stealing their parent's booze and cigarettes.
Wanna hear my funny story? I landed in LIFE after smashing my mother's three liter bottle of jug wine after having to call her in sick to work (again) because she was too drunk to stand up.
Hilarious how our parent's problems suddenly became our problems when they got called on them, isn't it?
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On 2004-11-06 10:37:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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I dont think i was the smart mouth that caused my parents to sign me up...i think it was the F YOU'S every time they said "gimme your car keys" or not ever helping my family with chores around the house or the not knowing where i was...ever.
however...i have a funny story i just remembered...my parents were told to get rid of my Stephen King books because i might be into the occult or satanism...that was FUNNY! but overall...i learned a lot and believe it or not i had some good times too."
So you had an attitude problem. Maybe that was your parent's fault. If it was clear that you weren't allowed to say or demand such things, maybe you'd have never tried it?
You know what I found ironic? The amount of kids who wound up in there for stealing their parent's booze and cigarettes.
Wanna hear my funny story? I landed in LIFE after smashing my mother's three liter bottle of jug wine after having to call her in sick to work (again) because she was too drunk to stand up.
Hilarious how our parent's problems suddenly became our problems when they got called on them, isn't it?
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Definately my idiotic childish and selfish thinking that they owed me something...my parents were straight as an arrow...on a scale of 1-10 they were a 7 on the strict scale...if i just did what was asked of me my life would have been sp easy for me...i remember them giving me sooo many chances to prove myself but i would drive and come home drunk if i came home at all...stuff like that...the way i see it now as a parent....i would freak out if my children did what i did.
in the case of how you came to be in life...i feel bad for you...seeing your mom like that...that was a horrible situation. my parents rarely drank so i cant really relate.
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Definately my idiotic childish and selfish thinking that they owed me something...my parents were straight as an arrow...on a scale of 1-10 they were a 7 on the strict scale...if i just did what was asked of me my life would have been sp easy for me...i remember them giving me sooo many chances to prove myself but i would drive and come home drunk if i came home at all...stuff like that...the way i see it now as a parent....i would freak out if my children did what i did.
So what will you do in the event your kids turn into teenagers and spew some trash in your general direction?
in the case of how you came to be in life...i feel bad for you...seeing your mom like that...that was a horrible situation. my parents rarely drank so i cant really relate."
Don't feel bad for me - I wasn't the only one.
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On 2004-11-06 10:37:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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I dont think i was the smart mouth that caused my parents to sign me up...i think it was the F YOU'S every time they said "gimme your car keys" or not ever helping my family with chores around the house or the not knowing where i was...ever.
however...i have a funny story i just remembered...my parents were told to get rid of my Stephen King books because i might be into the occult or satanism...that was FUNNY! but overall...i learned a lot and believe it or not i had some good times too."
So you had an attitude problem. Maybe that was your parent's fault. If it was clear that you weren't allowed to say or demand such things, maybe you'd have never tried it?
You know what I found ironic? The amount of kids who wound up in there for stealing their parent's booze and cigarettes.
Wanna hear my funny story? I landed in LIFE after smashing my mother's three liter bottle of jug wine after having to call her in sick to work (again) because she was too drunk to stand up.
Hilarious how our parent's problems suddenly became our problems when they got called on them, isn't it?
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My parents didn't smoke, or drink (not even an occassional wine) or curse , so I could never "steal" any of those things. My choices were my choices, and going into the program was a chance to see that clearly and decide whether to continue in that direction or not. I choose to grow up and stop being a follower.
I do feel for anyone who grew up in a dysfunctional family such as your's. How horrible for a kid. I am thankful that was not my circumstance. I do not blame my parents for MY attitude. I own my behaviors, past and present.
Maybe the biggest thing I learned when I went through the program was to take responsibility. No - I was NOT a hard core drug abuser, or a crack addict, ect, but I WAS a kid failing high school, with a horrible attitude and no respect for anyone, who no goals or motivation, and little to no self esteem. There were staff there who sincerely cared and helped me (maybe I didn't like it at the time, but OH WELL - I had a bad attitude about most everything as a 16 yr old), and I CHOOSE to take what I could and benefit from it. That is NOT a "put-down" to anyone here who didn't.
I have posted (after being made of this site) to tell the OTHER side of the story. Many here want to claim these programs are torturous and "cults", etc., and I came on to say that was NOT my experience.
Incidentally, though it was not EASY (as it shouldn't have been), kids left the program ALL the time. If you were brought back, it was by your parents! And, as far as "smarting off" to your parents, i don't think ANYONE got to one of these programs after mouthing off once or twice -- THAT is laughable. Things had to be PRETTY DARN BAD to get your parent to pay out a few thousand dollars and commit to a year (or so) of a program, where parents are required to attend 2 meetings a week, and then to take kids INTO their homes nightly, driving them back and forth daily. It's not like they dropped their kids off and came back 6 months later for a result. It was a FAMILY program. Just to clarify.
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On 2004-11-06 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-11-06 10:37:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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I dont think i was the smart mouth that caused my parents to sign me up...i think it was the F YOU'S every time they said "gimme your car keys" or not ever helping my family with chores around the house or the not knowing where i was...ever.
however...i have a funny story i just remembered...my parents were told to get rid of my Stephen King books because i might be into the occult or satanism...that was FUNNY! but overall...i learned a lot and believe it or not i had some good times too."
So you had an attitude problem. Maybe that was your parent's fault. If it was clear that you weren't allowed to say or demand such things, maybe you'd have never tried it?
You know what I found ironic? The amount of kids who wound up in there for stealing their parent's booze and cigarettes.
Wanna hear my funny story? I landed in LIFE after smashing my mother's three liter bottle of jug wine after having to call her in sick to work (again) because she was too drunk to stand up.
Hilarious how our parent's problems suddenly became our problems when they got called on them, isn't it?
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My parents didn't smoke, or drink (not even an occassional wine) or curse , so I could never "steal" any of those things. My choices were my choices, and going into the program was a chance to see that clearly and decide whether to continue in that direction or not. I choose to grow up and stop being a follower.
I do feel for anyone who grew up in a dysfunctional family such as your's. How horrible for a kid. I am thankful that was not my circumstance. I do not blame my parents for MY attitude. I own my behaviors, past and present.
Maybe the biggest thing I learned when I went through the program was to take responsibility. No - I was NOT a hard core drug abuser, or a crack addict, ect, but I WAS a kid failing high school, with a horrible attitude and no respect for anyone, who no goals or motivation, and little to no self esteem. There were staff there who sincerely cared and helped me (maybe I didn't like it at the time, but OH WELL - I had a bad attitude about most everything as a 16 yr old), and I CHOOSE to take what I could and benefit from it. That is NOT a "put-down" to anyone here who didn't.
I have posted (after being made of this site) to tell the OTHER side of the story. Many here want to claim these programs are torturous and "cults", etc., and I came on to say that was NOT my experience.
Incidentally, though it was not EASY (as it shouldn't have been), kids left the program ALL the time. If you were brought back, it was by your parents! And, as far as "smarting off" to your parents, i don't think ANYONE got to one of these programs after mouthing off once or twice -- THAT is laughable. Things had to be PRETTY DARN BAD to get your parent to pay out a few thousand dollars and commit to a year (or so) of a program, where parents are required to attend 2 meetings a week, and then to take kids INTO their homes nightly, driving them back and forth daily. It's not like they dropped their kids off and came back 6 months later for a result. It was a FAMILY program. Just to clarify."
I'm witcha! thats my story too!
Darren
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On 2004-11-06 17:46:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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Definately my idiotic childish and selfish thinking that they owed me something...my parents were straight as an arrow...on a scale of 1-10 they were a 7 on the strict scale...if i just did what was asked of me my life would have been sp easy for me...i remember them giving me sooo many chances to prove myself but i would drive and come home drunk if i came home at all...stuff like that...the way i see it now as a parent....i would freak out if my children did what i did.
So what will you do in the event your kids turn into teenagers and spew some trash in your general direction?
in the case of how you came to be in life...i feel bad for you...seeing your mom like that...that was a horrible situation. my parents rarely drank so i cant really relate."
Don't feel bad for me - I wasn't the only one.
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If my kids act like me i will seek help...by the time my parents decided to commit to seeking help, they had enough and saw enough deadly behaviour to deem it needed. in my case i agree with the decision(knowing what i know now) and my children would be no different...i would do anything to keep them safe...even if it's keeping them safe from themselves.
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My parents didn't smoke, or drink (not even an occassional wine) or curse , so I could never "steal" any of those things. My choices were my choices, and going into the program was a chance to see that clearly and decide whether to continue in that direction or not. I choose to grow up and stop being a follower.
I do feel for anyone who grew up in a dysfunctional family such as your's. How horrible for a kid. I am thankful that was not my circumstance. I do not blame my parents for MY attitude. I own my behaviors, past and present.
Maybe the biggest thing I learned when I went through the program was to take responsibility. No - I was NOT a hard core drug abuser, or a crack addict, ect, but I WAS a kid failing high school, with a horrible attitude and no respect for anyone, who no goals or motivation, and little to no self esteem. There were staff there who sincerely cared and helped me (maybe I didn't like it at the time, but OH WELL - I had a bad attitude about most everything as a 16 yr old), and I CHOOSE to take what I could and benefit from it. That is NOT a "put-down" to anyone here who didn't.
I have posted (after being made of this site) to tell the OTHER side of the story. Many here want to claim these programs are torturous and "cults", etc., and I came on to say that was NOT my experience.
Incidentally, though it was not EASY (as it shouldn't have been), kids left the program ALL the time. If you were brought back, it was by your parents! And, as far as "smarting off" to your parents, i don't think ANYONE got to one of these programs after mouthing off once or twice -- THAT is laughable. Things had to be PRETTY DARN BAD to get your parent to pay out a few thousand dollars and commit to a year (or so) of a program, where parents are required to attend 2 meetings a week, and then to take kids INTO their homes nightly, driving them back and forth daily. It's not like they dropped their kids off and came back 6 months later for a result. It was a FAMILY program. Just to clarify."
This is my last post, people. Besides... This isn't my volleyball court, anyway. So you guys had shitty attitudes, and failed classes, and dished out a myriad of crap that would probably drive parent nuts who wasn't up to the task. So be it.
But, Darren, and Anon (if you have kids)-- I gotta tell you, I feel for your kids not because you want to protect them, but because, like your parents before you, you do not question the methods that were employed!!!.
Don't you find it suspicious that kids had to be lied to or kidnapped to be brought to the program? Why don't other programs use those tactics? Why aren't kids sat on and threatened on their way to Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts... or the Boys/Girls Clubs... or your local community kids groups?
Don't you find it suspicious how a legitimate program would admit a child with no prior drug history and no prior drug testing? Isn't it also suspect that this program drew blood tests after "admission" and never gave the results, but went forth to mentally pulverize kids into admitting a drug problem they may not have had?
Doesn't it bother you that you can walk into one of these places and say "My kid's on drugs", and it can be totally false, and they'll take them anyway, sight unseen?
Isn't it also convenient that the records were destroyed? That way, no one could actually prove that they had no drug history, and could simply be chalked up to being in some sort of druggie denial?
Like I said before - I may have had a weird situation... but I wasn't the only one.
Why didn't the "professionals" question why the chunky kid's "drug list" was only "Dexatrim", and furthermore, why was the eleven year old sibling was admitted -- whose only crime was being a sibling to the chunky kid who took Dexatrim?
Why did the "professionals" deem it necessary to cease all forms of education during phases 1-2. Some people never reached third phase for a year. Any idea what that does to a scholastic record? There were a few 4.0 students in there with me. I wonder if they ever made it to college after a few months to a year's absence.
Where did these "professionals" get their medical degrees? We were told in "Girls Rap" that if you had a weird female problem (and I'll refrain from the actual symptoms) , a simple "clear water douche" would clear it right up. This meant water that came from the bathroom sink. If you had severe acne, you should scrub really well with a super hot washcloth (completely contraindicated in real medicine). If you got a rash, it was the "drugs trying to come out".
Damn!
I could go on and on. Too many walls in this maze, though. Bottom line -- there was a lot of shit that was force fed that defied logic. Some swallowed it willingly. Some spit it back, and will continue to slap the spoons out of the hands of anyone trying to feed someone else from the same pile of dung.
God bless your kids... they're gonna need it.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-09 19:44 ]
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This is my last post, people. Besides... This isn't my volleyball court, anyway. So you guys had shitty attitudes, and failed classes, and dished out a myriad of crap that would probably drive parent nuts who wasn't up to the task. So be it.
But, Darren, and Anon (if you have kids)-- I gotta tell you, I feel for your kids not because you want to protect them, but because, like your parents before you, you do not question the methods that were employed!!!.
Don't you find it suspicious that kids had to be lied to or kidnapped to be brought to the program? Why don't other programs use those tactics? Why aren't kids sat on and threatened on their way to Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts... or the Boys/Girls Clubs... or your local community kids groups?
SARA - Obviously you're a person that is one of those "don't bother me with the facts, my mind's made up type --- so, I'm not trying to change YOUR mind about things - BUT I WILL answer your questions -- just (again) to CLARIFY!
I was not threatened nor kidnapped to go to the program. My parents told me they were taking me for counseling! And they DID. I know SOME parents DID lie to get their kids to the program - and HELL, how many lies did their kids tell them??? I think one lie to them is justified (ESPECIALLY since it was for their own good), and DUH - how many kids WANT to change their negative behaviors through an intense program??? Of course they would TAKE OFF if they knew they were going. These parents WERE NOT DUMB! SO, get over it already, good lord!
Don't you find it suspicious how a legitimate program would admit a child with no prior drug history and no prior drug testing? Isn't it also suspect that this program drew blood tests after "admission" and never gave the results, but went forth to mentally pulverize kids into admitting a drug problem they may not have had?
The program was labled a Drug Rehab, and yes, you needed to have done SOME type of drugs upon entering, but the program dealt with ATTITUDES, communication and self-esteem issues - NOT drugs. They was no access to drugs... we talked about what GOT us to drugs...feelings, etc.
Doesn't it bother you that you can walk into one of these places and say "My kid's on drugs", and it can be totally false, and they'll take them anyway, sight unseen?
Read answer above...
Isn't it also convenient that the records were destroyed? That way, no one could actually prove that they had no drug history, and could simply be chalked up to being in some sort of druggie denial?
Ummm... that's universal in counseling, that records are destroyed some years after treatment ends. Do you really expect paperwork to be still in existance a decade after the fact?? Come on!
Like I said before - I may have had a weird situation... but I wasn't the only one.
Why didn't the "professionals" question why the chunky kid's "drug list" was only "Dexatrim", and furthermore, why was the eleven year old sibling was admitted -- whose only crime was being a sibling to the chunky kid who took Dexatrim?
Again - drug use was a SYMPTOM of the REAL problem --- see comments above.
Why did the "professionals" deem it necessary to cease all forms of education during phases 1-2. Some people never reached third phase for a year. Any idea what that does to a scholastic record? There were a few 4.0 students in there with me. I wonder if they ever made it to college after a few months to a year's absence.
The program's stance on that was that MOST kids were at school o socialize by that point anyway --- they didn't give a CRAP about their grades before entering, and the focus needed to be on THEMSELVES for a while, THEN they could return to school work... If they just did what they could to LOOK at themselves and make some changes in their behavior and attitudes, they could return in 3, 4, 5 months tops! I missed 3 months myself...but I was failing 11th grade before entering the program , and made HONOR ROLL upon returning! hmmm... how'd THAT happen?!?
Where did these "professionals" get their medical degrees? We were told in "Girls Rap" that if you had a weird female problem (and I'll refrain from the actual symptoms) , a simple "clear water douche" would clear it right up. This meant water that came from the bathroom sink. If you had severe acne, you should scrub really well with a super hot washcloth (completely contraindicated in real medicine). If you got a rash, it was the "drugs trying to come out".
I don't have the "degree's" and school listing for the many executive staff who worked at LIFE, but I DO remember the framed degrees hanging in their offices. As for your comments re: Girls rap --- ??? I never had those issues -- sorry you did.
Damn!
I could go on and on. Too many walls in this maze, though. Bottom line -- there was a lot of shit that was force fed that defied logic. Some swallowed it willingly. Some spit it back, and will continue to slap the spoons out of the hands of anyone trying to feed someone else from the same pile of dung.
God bless your kids... they're gonna need it.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-09 19:44 ]"
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My kids are doing pretty darn well, thank you. (And they are TRULY blessed by God daily, as am I) Their parents AREN'T afraid to give them what they need --- unlike your obvious fear of doing something they MAY NOT LIKE (within parenting). Heaven knows kids KNOW BEST, and we should always do what they WANT! lol Please don't just give kids what they want. That is NOT parenting.
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On 2004-11-09 19:43:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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My parents didn't smoke, or drink (not even an occassional wine) or curse , so I could never "steal" any of those things. My choices were my choices, and going into the program was a chance to see that clearly and decide whether to continue in that direction or not. I choose to grow up and stop being a follower.
I do feel for anyone who grew up in a dysfunctional family such as your's. How horrible for a kid. I am thankful that was not my circumstance. I do not blame my parents for MY attitude. I own my behaviors, past and present.
Maybe the biggest thing I learned when I went through the program was to take responsibility. No - I was NOT a hard core drug abuser, or a crack addict, ect, but I WAS a kid failing high school, with a horrible attitude and no respect for anyone, who no goals or motivation, and little to no self esteem. There were staff there who sincerely cared and helped me (maybe I didn't like it at the time, but OH WELL - I had a bad attitude about most everything as a 16 yr old), and I CHOOSE to take what I could and benefit from it. That is NOT a "put-down" to anyone here who didn't.
I have posted (after being made of this site) to tell the OTHER side of the story. Many here want to claim these programs are torturous and "cults", etc., and I came on to say that was NOT my experience.
Incidentally, though it was not EASY (as it shouldn't have been), kids left the program ALL the time. If you were brought back, it was by your parents! And, as far as "smarting off" to your parents, i don't think ANYONE got to one of these programs after mouthing off once or twice -- THAT is laughable. Things had to be PRETTY DARN BAD to get your parent to pay out a few thousand dollars and commit to a year (or so) of a program, where parents are required to attend 2 meetings a week, and then to take kids INTO their homes nightly, driving them back and forth daily. It's not like they dropped their kids off and came back 6 months later for a result. It was a FAMILY program. Just to clarify."
This is my last post, people. Besides... This isn't my volleyball court, anyway. So you guys had shitty attitudes, and failed classes, and dished out a myriad of crap that would probably drive parent nuts who wasn't up to the task. So be it.
But, Darren, and Anon (if you have kids)-- I gotta tell you, I feel for your kids not because you want to protect them, but because, like your parents before you, you do not question the methods that were employed!!!.
Don't you find it suspicious that kids had to be lied to or kidnapped to be brought to the program? Why don't other programs use those tactics? Why aren't kids sat on and threatened on their way to Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts... or the Boys/Girls Clubs... or your local community kids groups?
Don't you find it suspicious how a legitimate program would admit a child with no prior drug history and no prior drug testing? Isn't it also suspect that this program drew blood tests after "admission" and never gave the results, but went forth to mentally pulverize kids into admitting a drug problem they may not have had?
Doesn't it bother you that you can walk into one of these places and say "My kid's on drugs", and it can be totally false, and they'll take them anyway, sight unseen?
Isn't it also convenient that the records were destroyed? That way, no one could actually prove that they had no drug history, and could simply be chalked up to being in some sort of druggie denial?
Like I said before - I may have had a weird situation... but I wasn't the only one.
Why didn't the "professionals" question why the chunky kid's "drug list" was only "Dexatrim", and furthermore, why was the eleven year old sibling was admitted -- whose only crime was being a sibling to the chunky kid who took Dexatrim?
Why did the "professionals" deem it necessary to cease all forms of education during phases 1-2. Some people never reached third phase for a year. Any idea what that does to a scholastic record? There were a few 4.0 students in there with me. I wonder if they ever made it to college after a few months to a year's absence.
Where did these "professionals" get their medical degrees? We were told in "Girls Rap" that if you had a weird female problem (and I'll refrain from the actual symptoms) , a simple "clear water douche" would clear it right up. This meant water that came from the bathroom sink. If you had severe acne, you should scrub really well with a super hot washcloth (completely contraindicated in real medicine). If you got a rash, it was the "drugs trying to come out".
Damn!
I could go on and on. Too many walls in this maze, though. Bottom line -- there was a lot of shit that was force fed that defied logic. Some swallowed it willingly. Some spit it back, and will continue to slap the spoons out of the hands of anyone trying to feed someone else from the same pile of dung.
God bless your kids... they're gonna need it.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-09 19:44 ]"
dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared:
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dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "
You hope my life improves? From what? Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.
You talk about my "bent feelings"... I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling. You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree! How inane is that?
Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand: Get out of your head(s)!!! Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.
It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]
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On 2004-11-12 18:53:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "
You hope my life improves? From what? Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.
You talk about my "bent feelings"... I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling. You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree! How inane is that?
Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand: Get out of your head(s)!!! Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.
It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]"
Say what you MEAN and MEAN what you say! You said on your last post that it would BE your LAST post! LOL :lol:
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On 2004-11-12 18:53:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "
You hope my life improves? From what? Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.
You talk about my "bent feelings"... I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling. You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree! How inane is that?
Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand: Get out of your head(s)!!! Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.
It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]"
ouch!...your dealing with the past very well i see...your rage is pretty scary. i guess i would attack just about anyone who wasnt as miserable as me if i went through the horrors you did. hope you feel better soon...my children send their regards as well. :wave:
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On 2004-11-12 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-11-12 18:53:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "
You hope my life improves? From what? Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.
You talk about my "bent feelings"... I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling. You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree! How inane is that?
Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand: Get out of your head(s)!!! Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.
It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]"
ouch!...your dealing with the past very well i see...your rage is pretty scary. i guess i would attack just about anyone who wasnt as miserable as me if i went through the horrors you did. hope you feel better soon...my children send their regards as well. :wave: "
that was me again...logging in EVERY time is so tedious ugggghhh!
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Say what you MEAN and MEAN what you say! You said on your last post that it would BE your LAST post! LOL :roll:
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On 2004-11-12 20:27:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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Say what you MEAN and MEAN what you say! You said on your last post that it would BE your LAST post! LOL :roll:
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Displaced anger. I think Sara could benefit from some good therapy with her parents (or whoever TOOK her (or "kidnapped her") to the program.
It's obviously not dealt with HOW many years later. I can't imagine how that would effect my life on a daily basis. All that bitterness and blame. Many who create a "victimized" profile, thrive off it and need it to stay that way, especially after holding on to it for SO long.
I don't blame ANYONE for having issues or bad experiences --- what I think is wrong, is to NOT deal with it, and allow it to rule you into adulthood. Take responsibility and DO SOMETHING about it (that's more than whining, complaining and joining others in the same boat to "feester").
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I rest my case.
Where did I say I was kidnapped?
"FEESTERING" ANGER?!?!
Oh my... of course I come back - I keep coming back because it's SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!
:rofl:
Ahem. :rofl:
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On 2004-11-13 10:30:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
"I rest my case.
Where did I say I was kidnapped?
"FEESTERING" ANGER?!?!
Oh my... of course I come back - I keep coming back because it's SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!
:rofl:
Ahem. :rofl: "
laughing is good! very healthy...makes you feel better. :grin:
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On 2004-11-13 10:30:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
"I rest my case.
Where did I say I was kidnapped?
"FEESTERING" ANGER?!?!
Oh my... of course I come back - I keep coming back because it's SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!
:rofl:
Ahem. :smile:
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laughing is good! very healthy...makes you feel better. :grin: "
Now now ... please contain the foul, distasteful language.
Oh come on now, condescension is the best you can do? Pitiful! :lol:
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On 2004-11-14 11:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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laughing is good! very healthy...makes you feel better. :grin: "
Now now ... please contain the foul, distasteful language.
Oh come on now, condescension is the best you can do? Pitiful! :lol: "
That is the best that Wendy and Peggy can come up with.
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On 2004-11-14 11:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
That is the best that Wendy and Peggy can come up with."
I wonder if these two even made it through college or high school for that matter. Probably not, I'm sure they were to busy running around Florida setting up new spin-off programs for Miss Pete during those years of their life. Although I recently heard that being a notary public in Sarasota can be quite a rewarding trade.
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Your serve!!!
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On 2004-11-14 12:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your serve!!!"
dbucfan here...i wasnt signed in ...i was encouraging the very acidic unhappy person to laugh...not peggy or wendy...i hope laughter and joy fills her life! :grin:
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"When I cling to the past, I become unavailable to the present." unknown
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Whatever Darren, anyway back to these cheerleaders for Miss Pete. I wonder if they didn't spend such a long part of their lives wrapped up in the LIFE program, if they would have become so "successful"?
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Why don't you just focus on yourself here, instead of diverting to Peggy and Wendy, etc. Or is that uncomfortable for you?
Enlighten us on your stable and happy life? What do YOU do? What's your family relationship like? Are you a graduate of anything?
Don't really expect honest replies here, but just trying to get you to stop pointing fingers at others and LOOK at yourself. It's obvious that you LOVE to LOOK at and BLAME everyone else around you. I'm certain if you DO have problems in your adult life, it's ALL the programs fault, right?? You take NO responsibility, right?
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I don't think so, but I still gotta answer to the government for my rehabilatation since LIFE. I only take nite-time meds and get to smoke cigarettes. :nworthy: Oh well. It must be part of my illness? NOT!. :flame: The less opiates they give me the better off I am. besides, drugs suck. I like natural substances instead of manufactured drugs. http://www.nascigs.com (http://www.nascigs.com) :wave: Through it all the lady slapped me into hospital situations where I didn't stand a very good chance. but the God of my youth was there to keep me alive. Not their so called"Supreme Being" I learned a lot of stupid human tricks and went back to just being a young man. With a white beard. Mankind is so much better than the human zoo. Wouldn't you agree?
I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!
-- Monty Python
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On 2004-11-14 19:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why don't you just focus on yourself here, instead of diverting to Peggy and Wendy, etc. Or is that uncomfortable for you?
I never brought up Peggy and Wendy. If my name isn't on it, I didn't write it.
Enlighten us on your stable and happy life? What do YOU do? What's your family relationship like? Are you a graduate of anything?
Don't really expect honest replies here, but just trying to get you to stop pointing fingers at others and LOOK at yourself. It's obvious that you LOVE to LOOK at and BLAME everyone else around you. I'm certain if you DO have problems in your adult life, it's ALL the programs fault, right?? You take NO responsibility, right?"
I'll assume this is directed at me, if not, sorry. I've said before that I have a hell of a lot of catcthing up to do in the assumption department, so you're still in the lead.
Why should I enlighten you? How about you enlighten us as well?
Oh, by the way - is Helen Petermann a graduate of anything?
You can find the truth here: http://www.thestraights.com/theprogram/ ... icians.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/theprogram/theclinicians.htm)
It's really none of your business, but I will have a nice chuckle now when I think about the proverbial "best revenge", so here ya go:
I'm a consultant, so I work from home, sometimes sitting out on the waterfront in my shorts and bare feet. I'm in a relationship with a guy I'm madly in love with, I have a fabulous relationship my family in the usual respect, and I mended the relationship with a relative, who, ironically fucked up their life with drugs, booze and felonies shortly after being "cleared" by LIFE, and telling the rest of the family what a fuckup I was.
I have a science - related degree from a Tier One university, a Distinguished Member award from a national honor society, my name in a "Who's Who" and I'm in the process of working on an advanced degree.
Yeah, my life really sucks! :flame:
Did Helen or the LIFE Collective somehow hold the deeds to these homes - is that how they got parents to agree to Nazi law?
If anyone needs help, maybe it's you who don't question the absence of logic of this so - called "treatment". If you as an adult can honestly believe that your sophomoric swearing and booze-n-bong weekends constituted an actual "addiction", then you might need to check into deprogramming. You should check FACTS rather than prohibitionist propoganda fueled by junk science. Check the library for a DSM IV or a clinician who is a BOARD CERTIFIED specialist on addiction.
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got that right Sara! I read somewere Helen Petermann was a high school dropout. And she's so into keeping kids off drugs to keeping them from droppin outta school. Mabe she was on drugs.
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youll be alright :smile:
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Petermann had a daughter that was in the seed and she worked at the Seed. She also saw a lot of shit happen there. Pity the poor bitch, she just wanted to be all your mommy wasn't because she thought she was the Mother of all mothers. Her intentions were good but her ways were unwise. I volunteered for LIFE. I wasn't sent there or abused. My oldcomer had a resteraunt business and I had the best seafood in town everynight. I had all these chances to go straight but I just had to literally bottom out period. A lot of people don't live through that. She was trying to prevent that fr you. Don't blame her.......blame your own parents. :smokin:
for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.
--Alexander Hamilton
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On 2004-11-30 12:24:00, Admiral Nelson wrote:
"Petermann had a daughter that was in the seed and she worked at the Seed. She also saw a lot of shit happen there. Pity the poor bitch, she just wanted to be all your mommy wasn't because she thought she was the Mother of all mothers. Her intentions were good but her ways were unwise. I volunteered for LIFE. I wasn't sent there or abused. My oldcomer had a resteraunt business and I had the best seafood in town everynight. I had all these chances to go straight but I just had to literally bottom out period. A lot of people don't live through that. She was trying to prevent that fr you. Don't blame her.......blame your own parents. :smokin: for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.
--Alexander Hamilton
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hey admiral,
when were you at LIFE?
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On 2004-11-15 12:05:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
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On 2004-11-14 19:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why don't you just focus on yourself here, instead of diverting to Peggy and Wendy, etc. Or is that uncomfortable for you?
I never brought up Peggy and Wendy. If my name isn't on it, I didn't write it.
Enlighten us on your stable and happy life? What do YOU do? What's your family relationship like? Are you a graduate of anything?
Don't really expect honest replies here, but just trying to get you to stop pointing fingers at others and LOOK at yourself. It's obvious that you LOVE to LOOK at and BLAME everyone else around you. I'm certain if you DO have problems in your adult life, it's ALL the programs fault, right?? You take NO responsibility, right?"
I'll assume this is directed at me, if not, sorry. I've said before that I have a hell of a lot of catcthing up to do in the assumption department, so you're still in the lead.
Why should I enlighten you? How about you enlighten us as well?
Oh, by the way - is Helen Petermann a graduate of anything?
You can find the truth here: http://www.thestraights.com/theprogram/ ... icians.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/theprogram/theclinicians.htm)
It's really none of your business, but I will have a nice chuckle now when I think about the proverbial "best revenge", so here ya go:
I'm a consultant, so I work from home, sometimes sitting out on the waterfront in my shorts and bare feet. I'm in a relationship with a guy I'm madly in love with, I have a fabulous relationship my family in the usual respect, and I mended the relationship with a relative, who, ironically fucked up their life with drugs, booze and felonies shortly after being "cleared" by LIFE, and telling the rest of the family what a fuckup I was.
I have a science - related degree from a Tier One university, a Distinguished Member award from a national honor society, my name in a "Who's Who" and I'm in the process of working on an advanced degree.
Yeah, my life really sucks! :grin:
But seriously, the "problem in my life" right now is that:
This ignorance and denial is outrageous!!
What does what my job, or the state of my relationships have to do with the fact that people were imprisoned without cause, mentally tortured and physically assaulted? This isn't just MY story, Genius. I was there, sitting and watching, sometimes sustaining a few bruises myself if I was in proximity to a takedown. You didn't see this happen? Did you go to the beach on those days, or did you just decide to stay home? Oh, you must have had one of those special, private room, is that it?
Maybe you really need to look at yourself to figure out why you need to feel that your drug-rehab graduate status makes you so superior. Maybe you also need to figure out what's wrong with "blame" and "finger pointing" too. I'm sure if your kids come home from school tomorrow with ideas they didn't have today, you'd look around for a place to wave your digit too. Are you trying to tell me you wouldn't lay blame on the crazy person who causes you or yours some injury?
Actually, maybe you should stop being so narcissistic and focussing so much on yourself, because there's a big world out there - and it's not just about you.
It's about time that fingers get pointed at you and the the rest of the sychophants who have been instrumental not only in the abuses of the kids in the program, but also in the desecration of basic human rights and privacy of the entire program household, no matter how large.
I'm talking about the programming of the entire household. None of the thinking adults thought this was sick? What gave LIFE the power to dictate to grown adults what was and was not allowed in the homes for which they paid the bills? No visits from relatives unless "deemed acceptable" by the "program"? What kind of Communist crap is that? No neighbors stopping by for a cup of coffee? Nobody thought this was a bit WEIRD ??
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Did Helen or the LIFE Collective somehow hold the deeds to these homes - is that how they got parents to agree to Nazi law?
If anyone needs help, maybe it's you who don't question the absence of logic of this so - called "treatment". If you as an adult can honestly believe that your sophomoric swearing and booze-n-bong weekends constituted an actual "addiction", then you might need to check into deprogramming. You should check FACTS rather than prohibitionist propoganda fueled by junk science. Check the library for a DSM IV or a clinician who is a BOARD CERTIFIED specialist on addiction.
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wooo looks like sara has her panties in a WAD. :lol:
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I'm Charlie Brown now......I thought it was more appropriate for the xmas season.......and of course this rude forum. I was in LIFE in 1982 or 83. I don't remember exactly, but it was still run by the peer group, and was a cub scout club compared to Straight Inc. My brother was in Straight Inc. for 2 years of hard time. He never discusses it but he's moved on with his life and is very successful grocer in Billings, Montana. He never even wants or needs to talk about Straight Inc. He got over it, and He was " the hardest cookie she had to break" according to Helen Petermann. My brother does good things now. He might drink beer but he doesn't have time to get drunk all the day anymore, and is always working. Me..........I work studying people. I just love to watch them, and study them. Don't think for one minute that I don't contribute to society though. The Americans wrote the book on how to make money off the mentally ill. I deal with insanity quite soberly and am in control of my actions towards others and myself. My nerves? YOU get on my nerves. :smokin:
When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in a society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
--Fredric Bastiat
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wooo looks like sara has her panties in a WAD. :wave:
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Good-bye to bad rubbish. :wave:
It is wrong to leave a stumbling stone in the road after it has tripped you.
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Thank you so much but I have plenty of good doctors and surgeons.
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An article for your reading pleasure
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004- ... ure_1.html (http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004-12-09/news/feature_1.html)
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On 2004-12-09 16:49:00, GypSeA wrote:
"An article for your reading pleasure
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004- ... ure_1.html (http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004-12-09/news/feature_1.html)"
You take PLEASURE in reading that crap? You're worse off than I thought. So anyway ... go grab your Inquirer and finish reading for the year.
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Its a figure of speech dumbass......
And yeah actually....I think its great that some of the stuff that goes on there.....some truths some exagerations....I'm guessing...but non-the less its published.....And in that I do take pleasure.....
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pssssssst.....yeah you.....Anon & on & on....I'd be more then happy to chat with you on the phone so if you want to exchange #'s via private message.....lets chat.....I'll let you know how Worse Off I am.....
if not then Shut the fuck Up.....
Ahem....sorry to others for my lill outburst there.......It just seems that some log on and go through the posts to find any little thing whether it be a misquote or spelling error or a WORD that they attach some bitterbang too.....Anyway
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On 2004-12-09 16:49:00, GypSeA wrote:
"An article for your reading pleasure
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004- ... ure_1.html (http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004-12-09/news/feature_1.html)"
holy christ!
i am sure glad that i never experienced anything as vile and disgusting as that! i would have killed someone! :flame: :skull:
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On 2004-12-10 15:34:00, GypSeA wrote:
"pssssssst.....yeah you.....Anon & on & on....I'd be more then happy to chat with you on the phone so if you want to exchange #'s via private message.....lets chat.....I'll let you know how Worse Off I am.....
if not then Shut the fuck Up.....
Ahem....sorry to others for my lill outburst there.......It just seems that some log on and go through the posts to find any little thing whether it be a misquote or spelling error or a WORD that they attach some bitterbang too.....Anyway
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Looks like you still have some strong anger issues you haven't dealt with. How sad. Hope you don't hurt your kids. Worries me
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kids???
OMG......I knew I must have forgot something at the Mall