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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: mental torture made me li on October 22, 2004, 12:13:00 AM
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did anyone know anyone from straight that killed themselves? do you know why that person killed themself? did they talk to you about stuff that would help understand why?
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I knew Steve. This page was one of the first things that I found a couple of years ago when I first googled "Straight Incorporated."
http://www.webdiva.org/straight/ (http://www.webdiva.org/straight/)
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I knew a guy named Charlie, but to this day I can't remember his last name. He got out and relapsed, his parents took him to the police station to turn himself in for a crime he committed (don't remember what that was either) and when his Dad went in to get an officer he shot himself in the head in the backseat of the car. Staff made a whole day of raps about it...ya know "If you don't straighten up you'll end up like him!", etc. And they dedicated the basketball court (that no one was ever allowed on) to him.
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On 2004-10-22 09:16:00, beth1222 wrote:
Staff made a whole day of raps about it...ya know "If you don't straighten up you'll end up like him!", etc. "
And they were right! It's a known fact that 83.6% of all copouts, withdrawals, and terminations resulted in deaths, 64% of which were suicides. You druggies are playing Russian roulette unless you enroll in the new, improved, all ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Even the small amount of Awareness possessed by you druggie ingrate whiners can prove fatal when you leave the Program and it's Steps behind. That's why we kept many of you on your phases for so long-- to protect you from yourselves until you had internalized your program to the point that you would be able to resist the allure of drugs, premarital sex, and rock music. To say that Straight, Inc. was in any way responsible for the demise of these poor individuals is simply NOT TRUE. Even if it were, the number of teenagers that we saved from DEATH, INSANITY, or JAIL would far outnumber these isolated cases, and would be analogous to what the military would term "acceptable losses". We couldn't save every druggie, but we damn well tried. We warned them what would happen if they went back out on the streets without first completing the Program, and unfortunately, they did not heed our wise counsel.
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She finally got the nerve after about 25 years or so after graduating the program to tell her parents about the horrors of the program. Her parents, still brainrinsed, told her that "Straight saved her life and that w/out straight, she would be deadinsaneorinjail." She then went to her room later that day and hung herself.
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*25 years* after graduating the program?
'70s STRAIGHT?
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Yes, she went in sometime in 1978. So you figure out how many years ago that was.
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Texas STRAIGHT?
I heard of a girl that hung
herself after that program as well.
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She was in St. Pete and later Sarasota straight.
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could you send me an email about who this person was?
Thanks,
wes@wesfager.com
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Wes, you rock, THANK YOU for all of your hard work for victims of Straight.
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On 2004-10-22 15:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Texas STRAIGHT?
I heard of a girl that hung
herself after that program as well."
Texas straight has its own list ...Vance Hudson, Geena Golden..those roll off the top of my head but theres alot more...
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One girl I know of from Dallas was Christy Rye. She willfully ODed on heroin some 6-7 years ago from what I heard. I think that would qualify as a suicide.
I remember seeing her get her nose and arm broken in group. I think she had been there for a year or so, one day she disappeared. She also carved on herself alot.
I always thought she was so pretty.
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
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As far as my program goes, I only know of one girl that killed herself. She had attended the Morgan Yacht, Gandy, then finished up at the Sarasota program. Last time I saw her I was 17 and a high school graduate and she was considered a "bop" as she had just turned 14 that summer. I saw her on Sarasota Beach, said my hellos and that was it. I never got her number because of the NO GUY GIRL RELATIONSHIP rule. Had I given her my number and her parents disapprove, instant refresher time. I think this rule caused more harm than good if you ask me. Rather than have someone to talk to, it forced people into 'cliques' where no one talked about themselves, just about all the messed up outcast 7 steppers that were on the fringes. After Ann C. disappeared from the scene in summer of '80, I heard that she was put back in the program on a refresher. Kim Hyde helped to invent the seven step refresher, as she was the first seven stepper to ever be forced back into the program. Her transformation to staff must have been like watching a horror movie and I am glad I missed it.
From other posts, I gather the same thing happened to Kathy Winn. As far as this so called girl who hung herself, I aint buying it. For one, the timeline does not add up, secondly what 40 year old woman would still be living at home with her parents? The Texas program was'nt even in existance in the late seventies.
As far as the girl in Sarasota goes, I heard it was pills, alchohol, a car left in the garage with the motor running, then death. I also heard she shot herself in the head with a chrome plated Ruger .357 so who knows? I even live down here, but the way things are, if there is ever a suicide, the family and press all but sweep it under the rug and it is lost forever.
In closing I must say that it takes an incredible amount of strength to be able to kill yourself. There have been times that I have done some crazy things, not caring whether I lived or died, and spent countless wasted hours thinking up creative ways to die, but when it all comes down to the wire, I never had the nerve.
There was however a time that a lady I was dating tried to drown herself as a way of ending the date. We had just done the deed on Sunset Beach and it was about 1 a.m. and had put our clothes back on and were just making small talk. She goes on about how she feels trapped at her job and has to give so much of her check to her sister for rent and on and on. She then kissed me deeply, drew back and gave me a long hard look and says, "I want to remember you just like this forever." Then she asked me for another beer. As I turned around and dug through the icechest she asked me if drowning was a bad way to die. I said something like it was'nt the greatest way because your body will keep fighting for air. I turned around to see her feet kicking up white flashes of sand in the darkness. A huge chill went through me as I realized that she was serious. I hauled ass to the water and barely could make out her outline in the moonlight. She was only 5'1" and was trying to get out over her head, but the waves kept knocking her back, plus she was pretty drunk as well. When I got close to her, I could hear her cussing and crying because she kept getting knocked back by the waves, when all of the sudden a really big one picked her off her feet and slammed her into me, knocking us both off our asses. Incredibly, she came up laughing. I was too freaked out to do much of anything other than put my arm around her and lead her back to shore. We went out for dinner and a movie that Tuesday like nothing had ever happened. To this day I don't know really whether it was a game or not. She was 6 years older than me and had alot of doubts about the relationship.
For those of you trying to picture her, she looked and sounded exactly like Meredith Baxter Birney in that movie called "The Kissing Place" and was just as crazy too. I guess what I am trying to say is that even though people want to die and see living as a burden, they will always leave clues and hints and it is up to the ones they love to take the time to listen.
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The suicide I am curious about is a girl that resided in Colleyville, Texas while attending the Irving STRAIGHT. She committed suicide by hanging herself. Does anyone know of this person?
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I was in Straight Irving in 89and90. Is this the same time peroid that she was there?
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So is K Winn dead?
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You are a piece of shit asshole. Do you even understand the damage that straight has done? ASSHOLE
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There were two misbehavior girls while I was in Irving and I heard they both ended up killing themselves. I can't remember their names, but I think one was Geena, and Im not sure about the other. Somebody remembers them Im sure, one had brown hair and one blonde. It was 1989.
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I just told you the fucking name..Geena golden. I was there I knew her...the other girl was Shiela Condon. Im sure Im aware of most of the suicides from my program.
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So are you saying Sheila did or didn't commit suicide?
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On 2004-10-25 10:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are a piece of shit asshole. Do you even understand the damage that straight has done? ASSHOLE"
who the heck are you talking too? I just asked if K Winn was dead.