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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 20, 2004, 11:42:00 PM
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came across this board on accident. . . WHAT IS ELAN???? a high school ? is it for troubled kids ? what in sam hell is it ?
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a self entitled theraputic community, but in reality a hell hole in need of being shut down. Scroll n troll the topics and you'll see. And welcome by the by.
Mike :wink:
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elan is a private school located in Poland Springs, Maine. They have special education and therapy for kids who have been in trouble and/or out of control.
Students must have an average I.Q., even though they offer SpED. They have a website of their own if you care to know more.
You will mostly get cynical answers here.
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Who the hell are you to say anything about what we say on this sight? I have no personal issue with you except, you never went to Elan. Whether people want to vent negativley or positivly this is a great site for anyone wanting to know about Elan because it consists of mostly Elan Alum. There is a reason it is mostly cynical. I have always had feelings on both sides of the fence, but just because you sent your son to Elan does not mean you know the first thing about the place. My parents were held in the dark and knew nothing of what Elan was really about, so please, keep your uneducated opinions to yourself. There was good and bad things about Elan, but sending someone to their website is just plan ignorant. Do you really think this many people can be wrong. Yes, there are some positive things about Elan, things I will keep with me forever, but both sides of all issues should always be explored, and if the truth of some of the bad things bothers you or you want to hid your head in the sand you should go elsewhere. Let the truth be told by those who went through it, no parent has a clue to what happens behnd closed doors.
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I happen to be a person that is honest and I like to help other people when I am able to. Someone asked a question and I tried to give an honest, informed answer. Who the hell are YOU, to call me ignorant? You don't even know me. Was I dishonest when I said "mostly cynical" on this site? I thought by giving the web site, someone could look it up on and form their own opinion between this site and elan's. I don't think you need to experience something to understand it, as long as you have done research and spoke to many former students, as I have.
Did I say elan is great? NO!
I have a very clear understanding about that place. It is ignorant of YOU to judge ME!
By the way, my son is in his room right now, with a friend over, and going to work in the morning.
On the other hand, I could be visiting his grave.
I think I am entitled to give an opinion. Yes, an educated one too!
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Lady I dont know who you are or why it is someone your age, is hanging around these boards as if you were one of the kids who attended Elan...
You seem to come in here just for the fights...
Do you not have friends or family to talk with?
Makes me think theres something really wrong,,, See most of the people who went to Elan and visit these boards are here to relate about their time at Elan, you on the other hand are looking for something what it is who knows....Move on with your life already be glad your sons doing well! But stop trying to act as if you know YOU DONT YOU CANT!Iam not trying to be mean but when I read your post you sound well like a messed up child yourself....
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No, you do not have a clear understanding of the place, and you sound stupid saying you do. And yes, you have to experience Elan to understand it, it is foolish to think otherwise. You have no idea of the language Elan, you have no clue of what the groups were like, how staff acted good and bad to students, you have no clue what it is like to stand in front of three houses and get a GM, you have no idea what it is like to be in a ring, you don't know what it is like to be woken up at 2am and asked to go break up a riot going on in another house as a student while chairs are being broken over staffs backs and students being stabbed. Woman, you are clueless. I would like to see you scrub the same spot on the floor for 12 hours because you were 15 and flirted with someone from the opposite sex.
I am glad your son is doing well. Elan has saved lives, I can attest to that. What you call cynical also is the truth though.
And here is your answer to who I am.
I was in Elan for 22 months. I went through the program with flying colors, was an excellent student, was a Coor or Re-entry for most of my stay. I played basketball on the first team they ever had. I went back to speak to the students three times. I also have a degree in Psych, have worked in three programs for troubled teens and am working on my masters. I have a son of my own now also. I have also run some of the largest nightclubs in Boston and feel I ave pretty damn good people skills.
IN my view Elan is a interesting concept that was carried out like shit until Tania Merette started changing the system a bit. Over time the place got better, but I still do not agree with everything that goes on. I saw some things that make it hard to sleep at times. There were some excellent staff members that really gave back. There were also some horrible ones. In a place like Elan there is so much room for error it is scary. The place does work for some, but it can also be a very scary place for others. This forum was built to let the alum vent. Regardless of what changes have been made, or what staff has been changed there are still a lot of scary memories for people. I would like to see you thrown into that world for two years. Besides the isolation and loneliness you are thrown into a world that is impossible to understand untill you have been there for a long time.
You have no right to say you are educated or have a clue of what it is like to be in Elan. You only can say you are a parent of an Elan alum. My parents hate the place because of the lies and and things they were left in the dark about. They respect and appreciate some staff, but overall do not approve of how it was run. My mother had a P.H.D. in psych and now is a college prof so I think she may have a proper opinion on the subject. As for you, you are wrong, you do need to experience something like Elan to understand it, so I have every right to judge you for making uneducated comments on a place you really don't know. After you have had a three house, then come talk to me. [ This Message was edited by: JNAILZ on 2004-10-21 20:01 ]
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I will gladly explain who Llahsram is.
She is a lonely female Hermit that lives in an old run down in need of repairs home that she shares with hundreds of stray cats and other wildlife she can mustard up.
She also lives for arguments and that is why she call's this site home. I can just imagine the responses Llahsram will make regarding my post.
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I am not trying to knock you cindy, or be a jerk. It is just very hard for me to swallow your post. I am sure you are a nice enough woman who means well. I also can sympathize with the heartache you have gone through with your son. I am not trying to attack your character or you personally, It just infuriates me to no end when someone who has never been through Elan claims to know about the place. I am willing to bet your son has yet to attend college, and I can tell you it has a lot to do with the lack of education Elan gives. The so called school was the biggest joke ever, and does not prepare you for real schooling. I apologize if I said anything that would be rude to you, that is not my purpose, I think ever Alum will agree that unless you have been through Elan, parent or not, it is impossible to comprehend. The pain many went through scars, and I hope your son did not. I think you have ever right to part of this forum, I think it is great when parents are involved and want to learn more, if anyone wants to be immature and take shots at you ignore them, I am sure they wil just be Anons anyway.
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What is the school's web site ? elan.edu ?
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You are correct in saying I cannot fully understand what it is like to be in elan, although I have had it explained to me by several people, including my son.
Fortunatly, the elan today, is not the elan of previous years. The kids are not even allowed to touch another person. There are still GM's,scrubbing floors and toilets.
The swearing and screaming are out of control. I heard a "group" while we were outside and couldn't believe what I was hearing. I also watched a GM one day while I was there. It was pretty sick and it upset me.
If I had pulled him out after learning this, what would I have done with him? I got him alone, and he assured me he was not being abused in any way. Sometimes in life we are left with very few options. I felt like I had none left. Looking back, I didn't. There was no where else that could have helped.
When I sent my son there, I had no idea about the way the school was run. I sort of learned as time went by.
My son wasn't attending school. He would show up a couple days a week and do no schoolwork anyway. elan was one of two schools in the northeast that will take a kid that threatens to run away, as he did when I suggested a wilderness program. I knew another regular high school would be the same response. I was left with few options. He needed to get an education.
He HATED being there. Who wouldn't? The good thing is, now that it is behind him, he is so happy to have diploma.
All this started because someone asked "What is elan", and I gave an honest answer. Everyone here IS cynical about the place, and became insulted because I said that. For some reason it was taken as a personal attack in which it was not intended to be. Only a comment. I'm sorry if I hit a nerve.
CCT
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i do believe she can post her opinion her if she wants. She has the right to say what she feels from a parents point of view. And Jon i dont know what you are bitching about. You went threw it with kiss assing flying colors..your dick was so far up peter ass. im surprised it didnt get stuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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who ever said that right above, you are right on .. and im sure you are talking about that Nailz character.. you bet he did.. peter rowe use to say how good it felt having this kids schlonng up his but... i even think he had his dick in peter, and his tongue in tanya.
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i see you knew him too then lol.
He was the biggest baby in there!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh Jordan you are to funny!!!
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jon why dont you just shut up for awhile..
AND listen YOU were A big KISS ass..
You would get anyone in trouble just so you would look good..
GET a fucking life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tell the truth for once you loved the place
im sure you really miss peter rowe too..
Im sure peter is gay as can be just look at his ugly ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So jon dont tell people they are ignorant just because they wanna say how they feel.
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and yea, and yea, take that cock lover.. some new things about jon and peter rowe are starting to resurface, how about all those times peter rowe would wake jon up early for x country practice.. oh jon, there are other people who come to this site than jordon, who also hate you....
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lashram, im willing to put money on the fact that in less than 5 years your son or daughter will have some serious life issues, and u and ur husband will be all perplexed, hmm why didnt elan fix this, or hmm i thought he was fixed... you will soon (depending on what kind lousy parents you are) know how much of a red herring elan really is in the recovery of your childs poor behaviours.. when push comes to shove and u finally see how elan had failed you and your son... from all of us at FORNITS, FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!!!!! fuckin elan lover, an di bet you are gonna vote for bush tooo!!!!!!!!!
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Ok, so if your not Jordan why don't you say who you are, you talk so tough, I bet you have some skeletons or you would say who you are. I have already admitted to kissing ass to get by, never denied it. I also played sports. Wow, I got to get out of the house, I was real stupid huh? So stop being a Anon and get a set
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intersting word you use "hate". If you were in Elan with me and hated me so much you had plenty of time to say it in encounter groups, were you to afraid to? Or were you even in Elan with me? If so you would know it wasnt Cros country I got up early for, it was basketball. Yeah, on the weekends Pete would take me and Matt Hall to the Gym to play ball, and then out to Bickfords for breakfast while everyone else ate that greasyass Elan food. If you were in Elan with me, you must be my age, so why are you talking like a Jr. High kid? Are you homophobic or something? Whats up with all the gay comments? Do you really think I am gonna get all upset at that? I'm a little more secure in who I am, obviously you are not.
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On 2004-10-27 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"lashram, im willing to put money on the fact that in less than 5 years your son or daughter will have some serious life issues, and u and ur husband will be all perplexed, hmm why didnt elan fix this, or hmm i thought he was fixed... you will soon (depending on what kind lousy parents you are) know how much of a red herring elan really is in the recovery of your childs poor behaviours.. when push comes to shove and u finally see how elan had failed you and your son... from all of us at FORNITS, FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!!!!! fuckin elan lover, an di bet you are gonna vote for bush tooo!!!!!!!!!"
SHUT UP, you mean loser bastard.
GO BUSH :tup:
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I never said Cindy can't have her say, I always said she was welcome, I have never personally attacked her like some other jackasses on this sight. We had a disagreement and that is all, its long been over and she is welcome to her opinion. She got her point across and so did I. Now people are getting out of hand saying stupid things -
IGNORE THEM CINDY!
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jon go ahead your use to it ... kiss cindys ass now , so you can try and gain a friend.. after you talk to her like shit.... ,kiss kiss...
i am anon because i dont want and friend from elan.. thats my past its over with....
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yea, get em anon
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for real did you know jon f. in elan? he still trys to this day to act like mr. know it all wtf is up with that jon.
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yea i knew him in elan, he was a little bitch, could have sworn him and peter rowe were a couple of fruit loops.. then they would throw matt hall into the mix.. this kid couldn't play ball either.. he thinks he could cause he was a WHITE-BOY, like 5 feet tall and in fucking maine.. yea, poland spring has produced some great basketball talent, Jon a legend in his own mind.
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If u DON'T want a friend from Elan, What is your intent? To remain "friendless" or to be an annoying individual? It seem as though U have become both, or have U always been that way? no need 2 answer, I really don't care. Just something 4 u 2 think about.
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well i just think people should know the real jon.. my point is i dont need to make shit up about myself to have friends..I wish i knew the other anon person that knows the truth about jon!!!!!!!!
i just state facts!!!!
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U guys r nasty.Or shall I say some of you,not most. Didn't everybody have to suck up to get by with some comfort. The only way you couldn't is if you were such a nice person and so well behaved, followed rules ect. Oh yea, thats right, If you already did that, why would YOU have gone to Elan anyway. Who is the idiot that always talks about pe-row and kids fooling around with the guys? It so so damn juvenile. Is it an escapee?send him back,please!
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You are to funny, Elan is in your past, but you still come to this sight. Do you really think I am going to get upset at an ANON poster who's best insult is that Me Peter and Matt were fruit loops and that I can't play ball? Lol, to afraid to even say who you are? I bet you were not even in Elan with me. You are os retarded, I think I can play ball because I am white and five feet tall? you don't even make sense. A legend in my own mind? We were the worst basketball team ever, and you are right, I wasn't very good, but I played so I didn't have to stay and scrub floors with people like you. So the truth about me and the real "Jon" is that i am five feet tall, white and a fruit loop. Wow, you really know me, plus, I havent changed at all since I was a kid at Elan, right? Could you be a bigger loser than Jordan? Is that possible?
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jon i did go to elan with you. And no i wouldnt kiss anyones butt to get by in life. I am not a follower. let me think i belive your mom or someone in your family jon need some kinda transplant. and your sister gave them the part they needed. And oh yea that jason n person was right along with you up the staffs butt.
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yea your right jon was a kiss ass
Jon i see you havent changed much.
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I know this is Jordan because on my interview you did I told you about the transplant, you are an idiot. That doesn't prove someone was in Elan with me. If this isn't Jordan why don't tou come up with something else about Elan when we were there? Why don't you just say who you are. Call me a kiss ass all you want, call me whatever name you want, at least I am not a pussy and can post my name - unless, of course this is Jordan being a five year old again.
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jon, SHUT THE FUCK UP< U ARE A BITCH!
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Sure Jordan, you are so scary I will shut right up.
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jusy came here to see if how people were reacting to the new world order.. and i come to find that jon ferry seems to be obsessed with me, hey jon, i gave up on you like a month ago, so its not me whos raggin on you.. seriously dude, get a fuckin life man, scrolling through the posts i see u mention my name all the time.. hey jon, give it a rest, its not me, you are only making yourself look like an idiot, and i konw you wouldnt want to hurt your pristine image here at fornits!!!!!!
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he is an idiot.. ask a question ill answer it for you.about elan to prove i was there with you.
jordan is not the only one that knows your a kiss ass.