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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 11, 2004, 11:38:00 PM
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Hello everyone,
I really enjoy reading the comments on this site and it is good to here that you have all come together and have attempted to do something to change the "evil" ways in idaho and california or wherever else there is a messed up school. My advice to all of you, I am a cedu alumnist and I think you guys should take some of the good from what was there and forget the majority of the stuff there which was crap and move on with your lives.
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You are missing the point. CEDU at its core is highly unethical as well as ineffectual. We want to save people the pain and waste of time and money to go there. THere are others avenues.
If you see an injustice, you right it. From this site, several parents have opted not to send their child to CEDU. That is our goal.
The worst injustices in the world were perpetuated by people who saw and did nothing.
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On 2004-10-11 20:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hello everyone,
I really enjoy reading the comments on this site and it is good to here that you have all come together and have attempted to do something to change the "evil" ways in idaho and california or wherever else there is a messed up school. My advice to all of you, I am a cedu alumnist and I think you guys should take some of the good from what was there and forget the majority of the stuff there which was crap and move on with your lives."
Unnammed "cedu alumnust" who knows that the "majority of the stuff there was crap", what do you mean by move on? What if your advice smacks of patronization and lacks empathy?
Moving on is hard because for one reason or another some feel that it is those messed up messages that were drilled in at such an impressionable time of development, and under often times undue stress or emotional duress, that continue to lurk in ones subconcious sabotaging the most of ones positive outlook on themselves and the rest of the world.
I see now that for me a major part of the purging of these negative images of myself correlate directly with those negative layers that were added to, at the very least, at CEDU.
The place said it was going to do the opposite. And for me it didn't. For a host of reasons that are finally emerging as I re-identify with my inner child of 14,15, and up as to why this is and what it was that had the opposite impact on me.
Move on? I forgot how to feel confident. I forgot how to feel trust. I forgot my normal thinking patterns before I went there. I am taking the good. I just really resent my lack of choice in the whole thing. I didn't ask for this much more self awareness than everyone else. I could say so much more on the subject, and I do hear what the anon says, but I am at this site in order to confirm my almost ancient belief now that something (s) happened there that were really fucked up and I am STILL reeling, though now I am armed with years of distance, and inside the anger has festered to bubbling muck of poison.
Danger, do not fuck with me when it comes to my own rights.
It was the wrong place, and I couldn't report what was up. Me and my family were duped. Move on! Drop and gobble!
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some of us have moved on... that doesn't mean that we can't still be activists and support the others who need it.
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True dat! :lol:
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You people make me puke, you're a bunch of drug fiends who can't face that fact. You and people like you at this site who are just drugged out clones of you want to dress it up by bashing other schools, other people if they had the brains to take advantange of a chance to get sober
Stink stank stunk-that goes for you pot-embalmed bully boys and you skanky dirty girls none of you know enough to get over it and do something real with your life. Oh, yeah,you're "activists" at least between hits.
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Is that all ya' got? Shot in the dark insults?
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
--Hermann Goering, Luftwaffe commander, sentenced to death at Nuremberg
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ANON, before you start shitting on us, how about if you tell us something that you've done to help the world. or what have you done to contribute to society lately. come on, tell me, i would really like to know what you have done. i know that i haven't done too much, but at least my self and the other people on this site are trying to make a difference.[ This Message was edited by: **PIXIE DUST** on 2004-10-12 16:36 ]
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LOL, I like what the anon said. The truth is that we all get sent there but no one talks about all the stupid shit you did to get sent there, the only thing people do is bash on the school, no one takes any fucking credit! Fuck Yall, MAN UP! Find something else to fight, the school has changed for the better so much, all you guys do now is fuck shit up!
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I agree man, the person saying how much they got messed up from that school and they cannot forget it. Trust me, if i forgot it you can forget it. It takes some time to de-program, but you can do it. I had it bad and I got over that place in six months.
Oh hey Anon, thanks man for telling it like it is, I am sick of people just bashing not actually realizing that they were wrong at one point to. Keep up the good work.
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I'm glad you're doing well, Braden. However, if you are truly "over it" why are you in these posts?...
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better question:
if you're so over it, why are YOU here, anon?
to spread the gospel of the narcissist?
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so anon and braden u both are over it and say its peoples fault for getting sent there right. And braden u say u had it bad. Ok lets see first did u know that CEDU schools lie to parents make them seem like the program is something that its not and there still doing that today. Ok so lets just say that during my stay at BCA i was on 1 jumpsuit, 5 fulltimes, 3 restrictions, 2 tables, 4 programs, got sent away to ascent and to the hospital. U want to know what else it was all to waste my parents money i don't know if u knew this but they charged our parents everytime we got on a program, etc. Yeah and i mean i wasn't a cedu kiss ass or anything but half those thing were pointless like when i went to the hospital by the second day they tried to send me back because they said i didn't need to be there. So ok but u had it bad and u said u can forget. Well i guess the people here are coming together because they care about other people not just themselves and we want to make sure that what happend to us doesn't happen to other people u may not care but i know i do. Oh yeah and the reason i got sent to BCA u want to know the truth because i needed to go to a college prep school to keep my grades up but i also needed one were there was a therapist available for me to talk to whenever i needed one because i had just come out of a residential treatment center after 2 years and needed a transition. Just to let u know Bca was worse than a lockdown place (the res. treat place.) yeah it took my mom a while to relize that she had made a mistake but she got me the hell out of there when she relized all the bullshit they were telling her. So i guess u can say that some people didn't even need to go there. and some there parents wanted what they advertised but had no idea what was in store for there children. So if u still think what is going on is wrong then leave cuz u obviously are just happy ure out but don't care to help out anybody else that could be going through the shit u went through.
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Better question--why don't you grow up "hunt"?? and, by the way your opinion of me matters spit, you sick trollop let's just say I'm here because somebody told me about this site and I thought we ought to cut thru the bs and clear up the fact that the regulars here are all in-denial addicts and a lot of them sound like psychopaths too. No school could help people as messed up as some of the cases posting here--- it's too damn bad that when they were baby-psychopaths and savable they didn't have the brains/guts to suck it up and let somebody pry the drugs out of their hands andhelp them when their parents cared enough to send them somewhere And to other parnents who come here--- before you take at face worth the sick vomit that gets spewed about these schools have a look at posts of the lunatics offering advice to you. Consider the source
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My experience is very much the same as Tinkerbell's. I too needed to go to a college prep school. I was sent away because my parents wanted me to go to a private school, not a public school (anything but - god forbid) and I couldn't get into any. So, simply because I couldn't get into a private school, I was sent away! I didn't need the therapy. I was shocked a what they said to me. They insisted that I was a slut, and I never had sex before. They insisted that I was ashamed about being asian, when I never had any encounters with racism to make me ashamed. This was just a few things. Oh yeah, I just realized, 5 years later, that it was them that convinced me that I was a druggie. I believed it until just recently when for some reason I began thinking about it and I experimented with weed on only more than one occasion, but only within less than a 6 month period! They made me tell my parents that I was addicted to weed! I can't believe I fell for thier tricks! Many people didn't understand why I was there, just because I "needed" to be in a Private school. It just so happend that this was one of the only ones that would accept me! This is similar to another boy in my peer group. I think he got a bad grade C or a B, and his parents freaked out and sent him away! I did graduate the program and got my high school diploma from there. But with some sacrifices. I had to lie often, make up things to put on my copout list, afraid that I would get in trouble for not having too many things on my list and during the workshops, pretend crying and screaming. Yes, everybody has some issues, I'm not trying to say that I don't have any but there are specific topics at each workshop, and if it doesn't suit you then I guess your're just screwed!
Sorry about my ramble.
But anyways, I don't want to sound ungrateful. I know my parents love me, and spent a lot of mony to send me there. They have told me many of times that they just didn't know what else to do with me. They, to this day, stand by their decision. I learned that they will never give up this fight. No matter how much schooling I have on this subject, testimonials, w/e. They, like the people they surround themselves with, wanted to have the PERFECT child. Sending me away was to make become PERFECT. (Sorry, it didn't work...)
I guess this thread is dedicated to take the best and forget the rest... the "best" the only thing is that my parents love me.
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Anon,
How do you define psychopath?
To suggest that people who were hurt by the industry are psychopathic addicts who are in denial; is as ludicrous and ignorant as saying a person who diagrees with the current administration is not patriotic. You're a sick puppy. But then you were conditioned by your captors. Why don't you stick to telling your pathetic story and lay off others who are trying to get the word out so parents can make an informed decision.
It's rude to come into a survivor site and call names, or didn't they teach you that. Woops, they did teach you that its fine, so long as the name calling and rudeness is directed at detractors.
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The "best" part of Cedu was "Getting the Hell Out of There!" Sorry, but I never found anything at Cedu that was worth taking with me!
Don't you guys just love how all of these Pro-Cedu Program losers come out here and tell us to forget about what happens there and move on?
Newsflash for the Cedu Sheep, most of us have moved on, and we have our own lives. But Did it ever occur to you that many people don't forget how cedu hurt them because they CAN'T Forget How Cedu Hurt Them? Also, I'll bet there are many former students who still suffer lasting repurcussions from how badly Cedu fucked up their lives, that would make it a little difficult to move on, don't you think?
Only a Certified-Programmed-Cedu-Sheep-Drone, would come here and declare that everyone who posts negatively about Cedu are "Liars, Druggies,and Losers, who won't accept responsibility for their lives!"
That's the same kind of bullshit generalizations that cedu staff would make about Kids who split, were pulled, or sent away.
It's all part of that whole dismissive "Cedu is Never Wrong and If you don't see that, it's because You're Fucked In the Head " attitude, from which Cedu staff justifies everything they do to kids, no matter how cruel or wrong it is.
Sorry pal, but I couldn't accept that logic the first time I heard it,and I sure as hell won't accept it now!
It's funny how you came out here and advised the rest of us to forget about Cedu and move on.
You yourself graduated cedu several years ago, yet you're still defending the school,and telling everyone how great & how wise Cedu is... just like some hyperactive, ass-licking, older student! You're still attacking people who disagree with the program, just like staff trained you to do.
Have YOU Really Moved On?
Maybe YOU should follow your own advice.
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[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-10-14 06:40 ]
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My favorite is the person who said CEDU "saved" her even though she was an addict for years and years afterward....She actually said that CEDU gave her the tools to get through life. Whatever tools CEDU gave her she needed heroin to cope for yers afterward.
Talk about brainwashed.
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we used to hear that in 82 when i was there and all the posts about cedu thinking they know all is right. the excuse they gave was that cedu is conditonal love, if you stay we will be your friend but if not you are fucked forever. the excuse all the sheep gave is that they want to have friends and that anyone who left was not serious and just looking for a way out. it is amazing how all these mindfuckers believed all the lies the place fed. cedu said they were all loyal but the minute you left they would try to ruin you.
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The truth is that some of you probably needed to be sent to that hellhole and some of you didn't. Only you know the truth about that.
But CEDU didn't care if you needed to be there or not. If you're parents were willing to dish out the dough, CEDU would create a reason for you to be there.
This is business 101. It is a for profit organization and that is how they operate. It's no different than selling fancy shoes.
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Son of Serbia, eh? Well Slobodan---here's some news for youI don't give a fuck for your advice your obsession with sheep, farm boy--or your ideas on who posts here.
Wake up Slob it's not your call Isay what I want where I want,if it is pisses you off great if it helps somebody else not hhave their kid end up a pathetic overage junkie boy like you even better
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I don't know why I bother because Serb can definitely fight his own battles (watch your ass anon) but he and many other anti-CEDU-ites are very successful in many different realms. He is certainly no junkie.
But what is your definition of success anyway? What if the school did fuck people up, like people are fucked up over horrific trauma? Are we supposed to apologize for that? BULLSHIT.
Is someone successful when they have a good job but stump for CEDU when it is fundamentally unethical? It sold our parents false academic and therapeutic promises, propagated medical neglect, crossed every therapeutic boundary imaginable and encouraged psychological and verbal abuse. That is not therapy. It's not even "tough love." It's just abuse. Do you know how many kids were coerced to admit things that were lies about themselves under heavy barrage and badgering??
Maybe being successful isn't rationalizing some experience so you can feel you didn't waste your fucking time and effort but finally owning what happened to you and trying to make others aware for their own sake (or for their kids').
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I am wondering what realms of success there are. Has this site, really made any progress? Please respond.
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Yes,it has. There have been several parents calling some of us rethinking their decisions and either pulling their kid out or not sending them at all and looking for a healthier alternative.
Also, for other parents, it is just helpful to look at the cons and not just the pros given by testimonials from the brochure. (By the way, I know for a fact some kids did do positive testimonials for different programs and wish they could take it back because it was before they felt they could freely think about the experience.
(I split CEDU so I was persona non grata and it was really difficult to go from such an intense, insulated environment to the real world again. I didn't split to fuck up; I actually continued on the path I was on right before CEDU and REALLY coped with some trauma and went back to school and excelled. Still, it was such a BIZARRE experience that for me it was helpful to talk about it because I never did for years and years.)
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shanlea, i would have to agree with what you said. i posted my phone number and e-mail address and my name, and i've had parents and kids who have had their siblings sent to CEDU, asking me for advice on what to do. and so far, i've hopefuly had a parent pull their child from CEDU, and right now i'm working with some one else helping them get their brother out of CEDU. so, i would have to concur with the fact that we are being successful in what we are doing here.
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On 2004-10-14 08:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My favorite is the person who said CEDU "saved" her even though she was an addict for years and years afterward....She actually said that CEDU gave her the tools to get through life. Whatever tools CEDU gave her she needed heroin to cope for yers afterward.
Talk about brainwashed. "
I have a brother who went through the Seed twice in the `70's. Afterward, he went to AA, NA, Gamblers Anonymous, inpatient, outpatient, halfway house, etc. Married three times, the third being a gal he met through an online NA support group.
But he says the same thing every time I talk to him; that good ol'e Art Barker gave hime the precious tools to live by and that he's finally, just this year, figured out how to use them. As de dawg chases his tail...I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
-- A. Whitney Brown
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I went to Cascade school until it shut down. It doesn't appear all of you have the correct message so i will give you the rundown. One weekend the kids got fed up and planned. Monday they went straight from school to their dorms about 20 of 120 people did not participate and the girls wsent over to the guys dorms in bras and skirts. Then they all just sat and chilled playing music and shit. :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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I think that was because of the amount of unprotected sex going on thats why it got shut down, that is sweet.
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What are you asking---what people mean by "realms of success"----if that's the question it seems like it's that kind of thing that posters at this site say when they say that smoking up or whatever is all good while they still have a job or somehting--i'd like to hear what others think it means.
Likewise what does progress mean--if it's resolution I'd guess not maybe if taking extreme stands is progress tje site is getting there
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for the best, i'd say it was the other kids -- my friends all thru the program -- some who were there all the time I was and lots of others who left (pulled or graduated) ahead of me and even a few who were stuck in the hellhole after i finished
to be real, at times some of them were manipulative assholes and the same ones or some of others had "anger" issues or were majorly depressed, but somehow thru it all we all found a way to connect to eachother
for the second best, i'd give props to some of the staff -- NOT ALL for sure, but there were some folks there who were more than OK and didn't play games or yell for no reason (Doug -Mike - Heidi - Norm - a few others)
so the best: people ("peer group" plus)
the rest: the rest of you regular posters have more than worked that topic into the ground
rcktmn, NC
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On 2004-10-13 16:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Better question--why don't you grow up "hunt"?? and, by the way your opinion of me matters spit, you sick trollop let's just say I'm here because somebody told me about this site and I thought we ought to cut thru the bs and clear up the fact that the regulars here are all in-denial addicts and a lot of them sound like psychopaths too. No school could help people as messed up as some of the cases posting here--- it's too damn bad that when they were baby-psychopaths and savable they didn't have the brains/guts to suck it up and let somebody pry the drugs out of their hands andhelp them when their parents cared enough to send them somewhere And to other parnents who come here--- before you take at face worth the sick vomit that gets spewed about these schools have a look at posts of the lunatics offering advice to you. Consider the source"
thank you for your brilliant words of wisdom...
in which ways, precisely, do you propose that i need to "grow up"?
have a nice day.
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-18 13:25 ]
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How about for starters not using this site to sanitize and justify your sick drug obsession---it's just a habit and act like it's a religion or something
You'r as bad as street pushers who hook kids barely in their teen---only you do it not for money but for the feeling of being able to manipulate others to get them into your little hate drug den
Just remember: this is illegal stuff----it would be one thing to work to legalize it but to use it when you could be put away for it---and to encourage these young kids---it makes no sense
Don't you have any respect for your life let alone those kids' lives, it's just about recreation even laying aside the good or the bad of it---you're risk going to jail for a cheap high---pretty pathetic
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Everyone is different. Some people may be more sensitive then others. I think just because some may get over the totalitarian ideals of Cedu, it doesn't mean they can assume it is easy for everyone. This site is where we who have "gotten over it" can help out those who are having a harder time. Its also where us who have a hard time with it sometimes can find others to relate to. What's wrong with that? Human beings helping one another just for the sake of doing so. Sorry, maybe I'm just a crazed drug addict for thinking that's the way things should be.
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FUCK YOU ANON!!!
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On 2004-10-18 15:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How about for starters not using this site to sanitize and justify your sick drug obsession---it's just a habit and act like it's a religion or something
You'r as bad as street pushers who hook kids barely in their teen---only you do it not for money but for the feeling of being able to manipulate others to get them into your little hate drug den
Just remember: this is illegal stuff----it would be one thing to work to legalize it but to use it when you could be put away for it---and to encourage these young kids---it makes no sense
Don't you have any respect for your life let alone those kids' lives, it's just about recreation even laying aside the good or the bad of it---you're risk going to jail for a cheap high---pretty pathetic"
yeh, just what i thought; you painted a very vague, impersonal portrait of myself as a helpless, hardcore drug abuser. psychoanalyses concocted and delivered via the net can be so funny sometimes! especially when the person knows you oooohh so well... ha.
i'll have you know that what you wrote doesn't even remotely apply to me as an individual... furthermore, i don't believe that i've ever used this forum to "sanitize" (how one can "sanitize" drug usage on a message bored is beyond me) or "justify" my drug use; if you see that i have, can you please direct me to the post?
i think it's cute how you're just lumping everyone who doesn't stand firmly against drugs into one overdramatized category. that's so cedu... apparently someone's got their mind trapped on a mountain! (either that or you made the decision to be closed minded independently of cedu.)
oh yeh, and i'll have you know why i don't let legality negate my choices; i create my own laws... i construct my own morals and, consequently, use my own belief system to dictate my actions. i refuse to wrap my life around a popular doctrine simply because it's widely accepted and practically demanded of me in this society. i will not abide by a moral code (and that's all laws really are... an universally implemented moral code) when i don't necessarily agree with it's laws or the beliefs backing them.
tell me this, anon, do you ever drink coffee or alcohol?
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You don't let "legality" negate your choices? sweetheart you are way too old to be acting so childish... of course you do abide the law, I bet you do everyday in one way or another, whether you agree with them or not.
Its just for reasons of wanting to use, you choose to single out drugs laws as the ones you are so noble about breaking? Why? Because you have at least a strong craving and very likely an addiction and you can't face it...so it's all about morality with you, yeah, really?
And I'll tell you one thing: if having a beer or a cup of coffee might lead to federal charges, you would find neither in my hand...because I value my life and my future way too much to make some recreational choice like that and put it in danger...and I sure would not be encouraging youg kids to take that kind of chance just to appear so high minded and moral to myself.
So fight to change laws if you don't like them but stop playing games with yourself, it's about your need to use, not your very special private morality--people like you are a dime a dozen, you're a pretty common story
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No, actually the vast majority of the world are law abiding, hence, non-drug using. So, in that light- Laura is quite unique, and you are quite common.
See, the majority will always lack the mental fortitude to believe in their own personal moral code, so they must hide behind the law of man- right? (I'm being sarcastic for your feeble mind)
How weak-minded and common you are, and obviously you're a CEDU plant. You believe most people cannot properly think and choose for themselves, so you would enforce YOUR moral code and call it the law. Obviously, you are a CEDU plant, and I'm going to have my hacker friends find you like I had to do with Ron from Running Springs a while back. Then, I'm going to tie you up and make you take every drug imaginable. Though you won't admit it, I think you'll like it. Fuck off and die!
We had enough of your fascist morality at CEDU!
Go back there where you can continue to take away the most basic freedom from people-
The freedom to choose for ourselves what we believe is right or wrong- not for YOU, but for our own Souls.
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[ This Message was edited by: Bryan Felsher on 2004-10-19 18:04 ]
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First, the people who have issues with unethical, untherapeutic, and frankly, abusive institutions such as CEDU cover a broad range. To lump us all as addicts is pretty unsophisticated. I don't smoke or do drugs and I rarely drink. If someone were an addict on this site, then the last thing I would subject them to is the mental abuse and therapeutic ineptitude promoted by places such as CEDU.
You cite legality as a reason to abstain. But the fact is that blind adherence to legality often corresponds to not being able to make up your own moral/ethical code. (This was a problem during Nazi Germany and the McCarthy era along with other inhumanities across the globe.)
Besides, if someone wants to smoke a bowl, who cares? Do you know how many people are medicating themselves and their children LEGALLY everyday in this country???
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Shanlea- you are absolutely brilliant.
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Pot is Ok! Should be encouraged and de- criminalized. So I fundamentally disagree with Anon. And besides it is not a drug.
Why doesn't this person get a name? Can't take anyone disagreeing with them. Opening up with an identity directs the comments/rebuttles at a real live person. The ethereal Anon can just hop in and out trolling for responses it agrees with or causing conflict where possible. How weak, and pitiful it is. Obviously CEDU.
Again it's a stupid cedu sheep that can't sit on the hot seat for one minute. What a sad bitch. And unable to think. Brainless pod!
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On 2004-10-19 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You don't let "legality" negate your choices? sweetheart you are way too old to be acting so childish... of course you do abide the law, I bet you do everyday in one way or another, whether you agree with them or not.
Its just for reasons of wanting to use, you choose to single out drugs laws as the ones you are so noble about breaking? Why? Because you have at least a strong craving and very likely an addiction and you can't face it...so it's all about morality with you, yeah, really?
And I'll tell you one thing: if having a beer or a cup of coffee might lead to federal charges, you would find neither in my hand...because I value my life and my future way too much to make some recreational choice like that and put it in danger...and I sure would not be encouraging youg kids to take that kind of chance just to appear so high minded and moral to myself.
So fight to change laws if you don't like them but stop playing games with yourself, it's about your need to use, not your very special private morality--people like you are a dime a dozen, you're a pretty common story"
it's not just about drugs, honeycunt.
we all have our vices, and you're a fool to say that you're somehow void of cravings... denial is a killer.
i think it's hillarious when commonfolk hate on drug users (especially when they lump full time addicts with those who don't even use very often, for that matter) when they know damn well that they abuse the fuck out of those things which have not been deemed illegal. that's just as bad, if not worse... i mean, at least i'm not going to let someone else choose my vice for me... i do have a brain to make my own choices, and i'm not afraid to use it.
out of curiosity, how often do you watch tv?
let me put it this way; when i say that i value my life and my future, what i really mean is that i value my freedom to make my own judgements and do whatever i choose to do within the span of my life. of course there are reactions to every action i make, and i take this into consideration. needless to say, i'm well aware of the fact that i might get arrested for having 1/8 of the chron, so i don't walk around with it. i will, however, walk down the street smoking a joint.
honestly, if i were to get arrested, it wouldn't be the end of the world... even if i spent a couple years in jail. i mean, i'm still a free person regardless of the rules and regulations implemented in my environment.
i refuse to let a barred cell (both in my mental realm and my tangible reality) ruin my life; it's not about where you're living, it's about how you're living...
of course i have plenty of growing to do... but what about you? are you asserting that you are done growing???
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-20 11:44 ]
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by the way, you didn't answer my question about alcohol or coffee.
(those are both "drugs", and if you partake in either of those substances, you are, according to your addict logic, just as guilty as a junky.)
i wonder, had you (you meaning your silly programmed mentality) been born in a setting where heroin were legal and even placed on a pedastol, if you would be doing it... surely, you would, since you're all about following the pack.
what on earth would you do if it were illegal to NOT use drugs???
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-20 11:46 ]
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I'm not the anon you called a cedu plant btw but your reply sounds like you're a real dumb ass. You're hacker friends are going find the anon for you? I don't think you or your friends could find your momma's tit if you were hungry you stupid bastard And if you did what are you going to do about it except get yourself locked up like you should be anyway cus you sound like a real lunatic
parents--read this guy's post, have a look at the type that hates cedu and thinks drugs are great
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On 2004-10-21 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm not the anon you called a cedu plant btw but your reply sounds like you're a real dumb ass. You're hacker friends are going find the anon for you? I don't think you or your friends could find your momma's tit if you were hungry you stupid bastard And if you did what are you going to do about it except get yourself locked up like you should be anyway cus you sound like a real lunatic
parents--read this guy's post, have a look at the type that hates cedu and thinks drugs are great"
huh?
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To the first poster who will probably never read this. I'm pissed not just at my experiences there but also my parents. Mt parents are rich uber rich but theyare so mad at themselves for blowing all that money on a cracked program like Cedu they won't pay for college for me. I had to get a scholarship and even though I got into a great grad school they still won't help me out. It's bullshit. I wish I could shoot that educational consultant that got a phat commission for sending me there.
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Dear anonymous poster,
HEY FUCKHEAD I NEVER DID DRUGS! Nor did I ever have sex or kill anyone or rob anyone or commit any type of crime. My only crime was having grown up in a super christian town outside of Chicago.I hated my biased bullshit history classes and corrected teachers too much since I had the ability to read the truth. I would fight with my parents about why I couldn't just get along with the nice jesus loving people. O and I owned roller blades instead of roller skates obviously the devils work. I hate to LIE in rap sessions in order for them to lay off me. They didn't really have anything fact based to go after me on so instead they would try to get me to admit to having had sex, taken drugs, or Steves favorite that I was a big ole lesbo at age 13.My roomates I got along with so one time they needed to go after me for something so one accused me of stealing her acne meds. For what? I didn't even have acne. Not everyone can benefit from the same program. Our jails have clearly proven that however you just can't let it go.It's great that someone (you) benefited from this fucked up place but keep in mind not everyone could.I met a kid a few years ago that seemed to have really gotten something out of the program at Boulder Creek.Of course he had JUST gotten out and was likelty just still culture shocked. Let these poor kids alone and get a fucking life. Be lucky I live no where near you otherwise I would likely commit my first crime of battery on your ass.
Sincerely,Nicole
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On 2004-10-23 07:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To the first poster who will probably never read this. I'm pissed not just at my experiences there but also my parents. Mt parents are rich uber rich but theyare so mad at themselves for blowing all that money on a cracked program like Cedu they won't pay for college for me. I had to get a scholarship and even though I got into a great grad school they still won't help me out. It's bullshit. I wish I could shoot that educational consultant that got a phat commission for sending me there."
are you serious???
your parents can afford your education, but they won't help you because they're regretting a shitty choice they made?
sometimes parents can be pretty fucked up.
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Man these anon bastards make it feel like a rap session or something so much for freedom of thought. Hey Brian do you remember me? Nicole
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What's with you fucking losers always threatening to beat someone up or stalk them or something if you just don't agree with them And then you talk about "freedom of thought" isn't that sweet??
Yeah it's good that a lot of these posters got locked up it's only too bad that it wasn't an indefinite term in a state institution--no 2 year school program good or bad could help some of the drugged out nut jobs that post here
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Skankgirl huh? Yes freedom of though not freedom of actions. Which is really something we don't have. Kicking peoples asses is just a nice thought however something that I would never do.Indefinite period lock up? I smell a republican! Hey by the way I've never done drugs. I would suggest that you read a bit more into your own angst.
Nicole
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On 2004-10-23 12:32:00, Mondamin0603 wrote:
"Yes freedom of though not freedom of actions. Which is really something we don't have. Kicking peoples asses is just a nice thought however something that I would never do.
Nicole"
i think that's lame.
you're just as free to act as you are to think; you can however you'd like to, and if you decide (for whatever reason) not to, that's your choice, not an inevitable obligation... consequences just sway decisions in the minds of the fearful, however, they cannot make your decisions for you unless you allow them to.
the only way i'll buy the whole "no freedom of action" thing is if you're claiming that we don't have freedom of thought either.
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-23 12:46 ]
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Seriously I thought we were here as a way of bonding and getting over our pasts. Why such negative additudes.I'm sorry I am so "lame" in my thoughts. You are right in theory however most people are swayed by ethics, morals and society not to mention law.
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Of course you are not as free to act as you are to think...for example I can think about flying around the room but I can't do it. Also mostpeople are bound by values, morals, character to one degree or another so certain actions are out of the question...you've heard about these things right Mike? People like Mike are mostly just sort of slimey to be around but absolutely unwholesome for young kids to hear from because they aren't fully formed in theif beleifs and self-understanding...in the case of adolescents what she spews sounds so simple and easy it might be contagious.
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um, right...
morals are beliefs around which you base your actions.
you choose to have these beleifs and act coherently.
you don't have to do this.
that's what i call freedom.
if you don't feel free in making such choices, well, i don't know what to say... that sounds really stressful.
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-23 13:29 ]
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by the way, the fact that you don't know how to make your body defy (or work with) the laws of gravty has nothing to do with your freedom to act...
any freedom you do or do not have lays in the confines of your mind.
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Yes but by choosing the beliefs, etc that you do... you limit what you can do at least if you're an authentic person....which may be kind of hard on some people like yourself, the belief-choosing part anyway. What I see here is a lot of people who I'd think would be old enough to know better believing in nothing much but mindless self gratification....thus all the drug talk the kick your ass talk the skanky promiscuity talk...and you're always there aren't you Mike to help justify them along into the abyss.
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Hey now. Hold on-don't blame the Republicans for tedious jerks like the above. They can't take responsibility for these goobers.
Can't say I support drugs, but that's my belief. You certainly don't engage in the market of ideas by crapping on a bunch of people you don't know squat about. At least grow a pair and put a name on. Enjoy-Polarbear
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Okay fine mean republicans
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O by the way you're kinda bitchy but you're really hot!
Nicole -the girl that lives in your neighborhood.
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On 2004-10-23 13:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes but by choosing the beliefs, etc that you do... you limit what you can do at least if you're an authentic person....
now, i guess that would just depend on which beliefs you choose to cling to, wouldn't it?
which may be kind of hard on some people like yourself, the belief-choosing part anyway.
hard, only in the sense that it's difficult to figure it all out for myself rather than simply taking what's given to me... however, i would definitely say that it's worth the struggle.
What I see here is a lot of people who I'd think would be old enough to know better believing in nothing much but mindless self gratification....thus all the drug talk the kick your ass talk the skanky promiscuity talk...and you're always there aren't you Mike to help justify them along into the abyss. "
yep. glad i could be of service.
let's all go out and shoot some heroin, then fuck at least 12 unworthy people whose asses we'll kick as we twerk our way into "the abyss".
On 2004-10-23 20:42:00, Mondamin0603 wrote:
"O by the way you're kinda bitchy but you're really hot!
Nicole -the girl that lives in your neighborhood."
um, thanks... i think?
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-24 02:26 ]
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You're welcome!
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The truth is that some of you probably needed to be sent to that hellhole and some of you didn't. Only you know the truth about that.
But CEDU didn't care if you needed to be there or not. If you're parents were willing to dish out the dough, CEDU would create a reason for you to be there.
This is business 101. It is a for profit organization and that is how they operate. It's no different than selling fancy shoes.
sold for one bump!