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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 11, 2004, 09:11:00 AM
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Like many years ago I use to view the board and discuss the issues. I phoned survivors and became friends again with them. A shocking thing happened. The nightmares got worse, the memories came flooding in, the hatred increased.
It didn't take me long to change my life again and stay away from the board, the subject and deep conversations with survivors. I went on with my life, focused on my family, got some really good friends, a good job and then another shocking thing happened. The nightmares disappeared, the memories were few and far between and the anger subsided.
Having read this you may think, No Duh! Seems like common sense now doesn?t it?
Look the bottom line is this: Where we were sucked and was illegal, nobody cared and they got away with it. In some cases, it has been over 15 years. If it has been that long than plain common sense tells you that they will continue to get away with it. Now, I am not saying that some should try to help those kids in these new programs but as for Straight survivors, move on. Spend time with your family, be the best worker you can, get paid well, and live well. That is the best revenge. They told us all that we would never survive without the program. Show them you have not only survived but also survived well and moved on.
I am actually happy for the first time in a long time. I only visited the board today because I felt for those still hanging onto the past and going over and over it.
Straight is done. What happened cant be changed.
They stole a part of my life I refuse to give them any more time than that.
I prefer to enjoy my family, camping trips, walks and much more.
If you really want to beat Straight than you will not give them even one more second in your head than what they took. Of course, some may really enjoy reliving the misery and rehashing it all might be the extent of their life. How sad.
Every time Straight takes a moment in your day, a moment in your dreams, affects your friendships, your emotions or what you do each day such as discussing it, Straight WINS. It is only when they cannot steal even a second from you that YOU win.
Wishing all survivors the best!
May your life be full of fun, happiness and not filled with thoughts of Straight.
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24 years ago, in an intake room at LIFE, my mother gave me the ultimatum; sign myself in or walk out the door w/ the clothes on my back and don't call "home". It wasn't a difficult decision. After all, that had been my idea two years earlier when I'd tried to strike out on my own.
I did put it behind me. I did move on w/ my life. Married, had a couple of kids and was just thankful that I'd gotten away from the crazies. I'd on a drug policy reform list that the Program had shut down. Good to know, I thought, and went about my business.
Then I had a nightmare. Jeb Bush took office as governor of Florida and promised Floridians $100M in publicly funded juvenile drug rehabs. So I had to take a look, like looking under the bed for boogie monsters. Unfortunately, that only made things worse. Turns out it hadn't been my imagination all those years. DARE really is a Program effort. So is all the drug testing in schools, workplaces and the public sector. That Pinkey and the Brain scheme to release bio-engineered fusarium oxysporum (sp?) was also championed by Program affiliated zealots.
These people are extremely influential in public policy. I'll go back to ignoring them when they quit fucking w/ my public tax dollars, my public policy and my children.
Seems fair, no?The right of self-defense is the first law of nature . . and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
--St. George Tucker, in his edition of Blackstone's Commentaries
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Thanks for your counsel, patronization, and associated condescension. Respectively speaking, I am glad what works for you works for you! I can only speak for myself in saying throughout all of the many years that I have spent in various forums, on various websites, etc. I have HAD nothing but a life infused with the best of everything, friends, family, a good job, etc...ad naseum. Who says I haven't moved on???? I have moved on just fine and continue to do so. I see condescension in any statement that infers that those that frequent here (or any other forum relative to our experiences in respective programs) has no life!! Fuck you very much!
I will credit your intention to help those of us here with the problems you mentioned as experiencing subjectively. However, please refrain from objectively imposing your own relative panacea on others here.
You need not return to 'save us poor survivors that have no life aside than checking fornits all day long'!!! Please.....................
How is your post any different from those in favor of the program that have posted "Get a Life" type threads?
In closing, you said "look the bottom line is this"....I stopped listen to others tell me what "the bottom line" is years ago.
I win every day of my life and I do so because I choose to REMEMBER the program, not because I choose to leave under rug swept.
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Post redux-last line edited for grammatical error.
I win every day of my life and I do so because I choose to REMEMBER the program, not because I choose to leave it under rug swept.
:tup: :tup:
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Bravo Ginger!!!
Trollin Trollin Trollin, keep them Trollies Trollin........In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. Only one who knows the disastrous effects of a long war can realize the supreme importance of rapidity in bringing it to a close. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war who can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
--Sun Tzu (author of The Art of War
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Like many years ago I use to view the board and discuss the issues. (etc..)
It sounds like you came back from your refresher with a powerful attitude - a sure sign of relapsing. This is due to some sort of insecurity- you feel the need to put yourself above the rest of the group. Deep down you are using this as a defense mechanism to hide your feelings.
You're started over, 3 and 14. :lol:
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I need a good startin over Dr. F. Please and thanks. This anonymous nutbag really puts a shameless plug to all the already anonymous hecklers who have come here for so long. Its boring.
Anonymous, to try and act civil about your bullshit is just really pussy of you. For those of us who think its right not to forget or 'move on' (when are you people really gonna get real and own up to the fact that you're never gonna move on until the U.S. starts being real with us about its child exploitation methods) from what happened at Straight, we have to bare your fuckness moreso.
There are millions, this moment, who are working on legislation to toll statutes of limitations. Millions more who are working toward getting our fucked up United States to finally ratify the UNICEF declarations and other articles for Child Wellbeing. We don't sign it because we're making too damn much fucking money Right Now on the little fuckers and we've got too much at stake. Mark my words, it will happen though and once those are ratified, I think it will give aid to those lame statutes everyone is working on to get tolled.
Why, in California, Washington, Texas - there are huge molestation and abuse scandals at child institutions where the statutes are being waived for years because it sometimes takes kids a fucking long ass time to wake up from being fucked for such a fucking long ass time. Politicians many times work in great sweeps of passing legislation. So, it is indeed OUR TIME (for all those who are not pretending to be survivors and for those who really are) coming to us at slower speed, where the statutes in many states here in the south might well catch up to the hip northern areas where the law really does still work.
I think I'll hold on to my pain for a bit longer, and when you're not invited to the hearing because you've moved on - I'll take your share of the victory. This is simply because you're supposing that even though we lived through what Straight Inc. put us through - somehow we are luckily victorious; but the propensity to physically live is stronger than an inherent will to lay it down and die, neverless it's somehow an outside victory (right?). Why should anyone have to live with that kind of victory??? Doesn't really seem like revenge or victory at all. Nah, man. I'm holding out for something better, and as sure as I've written this for you to read - no matter how long or how many lifetimes - I will prevail and get true legal revenge over my oppressors.
In the meantime, I'll be spitting on your face while you're on front row of Dr. Fucktards startover he just gave you. Enjoy my spit and cursing, and rules rap.
"I have sworn eternal hostility over every form of tyrrany over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson.
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Anon, I hear what you are saying and think it has a valid place. In fact I appreciate it. I think there are two points of veiw here that keep getting crossed.
Like you, I came to the forum to "get some closure", find old friends and share my experience. I, too, am finding that it's pretty easy to get bogged down in remembering those awful times, to the point where I can't work, sleep, eat, etc. I think you're right, the solution is to just stop thinking about it all the time.
But many are here for another purpose as well. They are activists, working to help kids now and in the future, to spare them the torture we experienced. They want to change the political framework that allows this shit to happen. They MUST remember to accomplish this. It is important and comendable.
Just because your agenda is different doesn't mean their's is a waste of life/time.
Again I thank you for the comment, b/c I think it will help me heal from the pain of those times. I'm glad I found fornits' and went through all this, but I, too, am ready to "let it go".
But I am also glad there are people here like Antigen, Wes, Greg and others who are watchdogging and researching these fools...something, apparently, no one has been doing until relatively recently.
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I did not go to Straight, I went to CEDU. Visiting this site has opened a can of worms so to speak, but for me it has been necessary and validating.
Yes, I suppose we could just move on, but our postings have helped many parents reconsider sending their kids to these types of programs and have opened their eyes to the industry as a whole. I feel good about that.
My parents sent me to CEDU on bad advice of a counselor who had never been there who showed them some beautiful pamphlets of a mountain retreat, full of promises that never materialized. The program was highly unethical, ineffectual, and false in terms of their ability to deliver academic or therapeutic support. Worse, they caused some permanent damage to our psyches with their abusive practices.
Some of the worst transgressions in history have been perpetuated by people who turned the other cheek. Apathy allows evil to flourish. There would be no progress without activism.
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FYI - Shady, Shan, I like your responses...but be aware that Anon number one and Anon number two are one in the same. Animals likes to talk to himself a lot!
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-10-12 07:00 ]
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Carmel,
I am anon #2 that opened with "Thanks for your.." and also "Post redux".
My post opposes that of anon #1. I didn't log in (oops).
Me
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Thanks for the tip, Carmel. But how do you know this? Seem like legit posts to my naive ass. If that's true, that is really crazy.
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sorry
didn't see KIDS had posted already...ignore
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Be aware that Carmel does not know how to close her gaping, stench ridden pussy. She is with you all the way on that whole "let it go' theory and still maintains, like she has in other posts - that her experience and graduation at Straight Incorporated is something she really misses alot.
If she were a forum monitor here she would see that there hasn't truthfully been an "Animals" post for several months. But since no forum monitor knows how many people use one computer, she would have no way of knowing anyway - nevermind that she's not a monitor. All that stink from her pussy that hangs down to the floor has gotten to her head, no doctor will cure that shit cos they won't come close to it.
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God you smell horrid Cummel, please close your pussy. It's really awful when Cummel is trying to post something and her sniping bitch words aren't seen because the cloud of stench from her gaping pussy clogs my eyes. Please clip those lips, huss.
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What do you think you are accomplishing with posts like that?
All you've done is wreck your credibility with us, which I guess you don't care about anyway.
Please, is there some way you can be a little more constructive. Clearly something Carmel said pissed you off, is it necessary to be so bombastic and inflammatory? :em:
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Personally speaking,I think Carmel is one of the most rational people here...
I don't know much about her stinky pussy...
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... =7&start=6 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=6757&forum=7&start=6)
Here is an animals post from just a week or so ago. Animals' writing isn't too difficult to spot most of the time for various reasons. He often posts anonymously and under differing names, often having arguments with himself. He also pretends to become outraged at various things, using it as an excuse to keep posting on this site.
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Its sad really, I am actually quite proud of my personal hygiene.
I wonder sometimes if Animals is actually as bad as he/she makes him/herself out to be. Its gotta be a joke right? Someone, please say its a joke?
Power to the Sniping Pussies!
::rocker::
PS- Animals, by their own admission refers to themself as WE quite frequently.
If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?
--Felton Manifestation
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-10-15 14:10 ]
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On 2004-10-15 14:07:00, Carmel wrote:
PS- Animals, by their own admission refers to themself as WE quite frequently.
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Oh my gosh, maybe he's suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder. That would be sad, really. But it would explain a few things I'm thinking.
By the way, I am going to a haunted house tonight, I am very excited. :grin: :grin: :grin:
I love fun.
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Why are you going to a haunted house tonight? It's not Halloween yet...
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Oh come on let's have a song! Little bunny foo foo hopping thru the forest.............
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On 2004-10-12 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I need a good startin over Dr. F. Please and thanks. This anonymous nutbag really puts a shameless plug to all the already anonymous hecklers who have come here for so long. Its boring.
Anonymous, to try and act civil about your bullshit is just really pussy of you. For those of us who think its right not to forget or 'move on' (when are you people really gonna get real and own up to the fact that you're never gonna move on until the U.S. starts being real with us about its child exploitation methods) from what happened at Straight, we have to bare your fuckness moreso.
There are millions, this moment, who are working on legislation to toll statutes of limitations. Millions more who are working toward getting our fucked up United States to finally ratify the UNICEF declarations and other articles for Child Wellbeing. We don't sign it because we're making too damn much fucking money Right Now on the little fuckers and we've got too much at stake. Mark my words, it will happen though and once those are ratified, I think it will give aid to those lame statutes everyone is working on to get tolled.
Why, in California, Washington, Texas - there are huge molestation and abuse scandals at child institutions where the statutes are being waived for years because it sometimes takes kids a fucking long ass time to wake up from being fucked for such a fucking long ass time. Politicians many times work in great sweeps of passing legislation. So, it is indeed OUR TIME (for all those who are not pretending to be survivors and for those who really are) coming to us at slower speed, where the statutes in many states here in the south might well catch up to the hip northern areas where the law really does still work.
I think I'll hold on to my pain for a bit longer, and when you're not invited to the hearing because you've moved on - I'll take your share of the victory. This is simply because you're supposing that even though we lived through what Straight Inc. put us through - somehow we are luckily victorious; but the propensity to physically live is stronger than an inherent will to lay it down and die, neverless it's somehow an outside victory (right?). Why should anyone have to live with that kind of victory??? Doesn't really seem like revenge or victory at all. Nah, man. I'm holding out for something better, and as sure as I've written this for you to read - no matter how long or how many lifetimes - I will prevail and get true legal revenge over my oppressors.
In the meantime, I'll be spitting on your face while you're on front row of Dr. Fucktards startover he just gave you. Enjoy my spit and cursing, and rules rap.
"I have sworn eternal hostility over every form of tyrrany over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson."
I prefer this post over the others.
edit: i prefer it in many regards. however, i really don't have any hard feelings over the original post. to each their own. camping is the best and i haven't done it in too long! [ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-05-10 23:28 ]
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Consider yourself lucky. Straight was only a spot on my paper of shit...Granted , most of my lifes problems stem from a little black ball called Heroin..
But now that Im older Im starting to realize why the Heroin was so Important to me. I gave up on people and society. Planet earth has never been a "good place"
Trust noone, dont hesitate to snap.
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linchpin, not everyone is out to hurt people. a lot of them are just scared like you are and don't know how to relate to others. being able to discriminate between people's intentions in this way may give you some relief. are they purposefully trying to hurt you? or are they simply defending *themselves*? the behavior can look alike in these two instances, but be very very different.
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Everyone is out to hurt someone whether they know it or not..Everyone is inherently good and evil..
A preacher could be turned into a nazi killer if the circumstances cuased it.
Oh its in you..we are all lovers and haters..guess it just depends where you are RIGHT NOW.
And yes people change....
But you still should never trust anyone.
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It's like that line in Scarface when he's smoking a cigar while lying in the bathtub and he replies to his wife, "Who do I trust..? ME...That's who!"
A jaded outlook yet a wise & cautious one. Otoh, feeling like you know that you can trust someone is priceless.
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Other people are scared too. Caring about them is what actually will bring them to be more trust-worthy. If people feel safe, they will not feel the need to do you wrong. Staying withdrawn will bring the opposite from people, fear and mistrust. Insecurity. You can affect people and change them by giving them exactly what you are wishing for, concern. That's real power.
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although it's a popular idea, i do not agree with this notion that every person is partially good and partially evil, and that it all depends upon the circumstances. although i do agree that circumstances can bring out aggression or defensive behavior, i don't consider it evil or cruel to try to survive.
some people experience pleasure in causing another's pain; these people are sadists, and i consider that evil. other people (i hope the majority!) when coerced often conform to what is expected, and allow abuse to go on, but they don't delight in it themselves. i wouldn't call that evil, but self-preservation. like when you looked away at someone being restrained because staff said to "Pay attention to the person talking!"
didn't we all see this range of behavior at straight?
linchpin, you're right that you can't trust everyone, but you can trust some. it's just hard to differentiate who is trustworthy and who is not. you can probably trust your girlfriend.
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I used to know instinctively who to trust and just about how much. That part of me died a slow and anguished death over 20 years ago. I keep a very, very short list these days.
We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs
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Take me for instance. Many of you dont know me at all..Some of you know me well. Most people will tell you im a great guy. But I tend to be very short with people..and when someone does a "wrong" to me I ask myself { can I understand why they did that to me?}
If the answer is yes Ill generally confront and forgive them.
If the answer is no ..I usually never talk to them again..I used to be very vengeful, but Im too old to fight and dont have the energy to hate these days.
I keep my friends close and my enemies fade into nothingness.