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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Friend of the parents on October 09, 2004, 10:24:00 PM
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Speaking of people who just got home I just came back from Abundant Life Academy on July 15. Got there on November 13 2003 and was there 8 in a half months. While I was there at first back in November things were good spiritually we had american staff that were some what allright. Then my third month into the hell hole it started changing drasticly emotionaly and spiritually. We did have times when there was fun but mostly when we would sneak out and buy ciggerttes or alcohol. Or steal pills to snort in the cottages at night while the mexican night staff where asleep. Stealing gas from the shed and huffing it until my mind gos numb. We really did have some great times there my third day I ran away with two other guys there heading for the border. At the end of my time around 9 months there were things that went on like sleep deprevation, or making someone wear a blind fold for 7 days, cant talk, see, or respond. "O just keep em in tha hole "new opportuniy room" until is time is served to where we can through him in a different program because of the sh*t he causes here" Well have some students sorround him like night staff and kick his ass if he runs. Trust me we did make plans on doing such a thing especially since we had a staff tell us that it was perfectly allright aslong as we dont hit him in the face. Fu*ked up. I was a night staff at level three. Finally getting at the point where I am willing to kiss a$$ to leave. It worked. This student that was treated like this is no out of the program because his dad snached him out. I talked to him just the other day. He was driving back from New York with staff that used to work with ALA. I was there nearly 9 months for the same old reasons that others are like drug use, drug dealing, gang affiliation, trouble with law, family, and etc. I had cummunity service time due the february before I left. Well the program never sent my records from cumm. serv. wrk from when I was ther to my P.O. so now I have a warrant out for my arrest. They didnt send any of my school work out. Unorganized and irresponsible. Im starteing to wunder why Craig is hiding for so long in the Republic. Well good lock on your war for the fu*ked hypocrits. Lates
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I have also come home from the Abundant Life Academy.I got there March 7th and got back home in Auguest.
It was an awfull experience. Unsupervised un organized.Our house did not have toilet paper, a lot of the girls didnt have sheets and pillows. We didnt have a lot of every day needs.
Yes some say this is so that you are striped from your comfort zone to learn a lesson or correct your behavior.HOWEVER not giving a kid her Meds. or not giving a kid the right food they need, or not letting them go to a doctor cause they are sick and the " SCHOOL" doesnt want to have to pay for it or they dont have any money. That is bull sh*t !
I think this young man is right on it ! Ya i wonder why our dear friend Craige has spent so much time in the Republic? hmm ... lets think about this ... !
Craige is a great wonderfull buisness man and is slick and cool. He wont fu!# up.HE is a grat buisness man.
This so called "school" Aboundant Life Academy" Is a load of sh*t. It needs to be shut down or checked out. I garentee that it would not meet the requirements needed to run such a place.
You GO MAN!
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Dearest "Viva", you should be ashamed of yourself for all the grief you put your parents and your sisters through. It is because they love you that your father took you to ALA. You had been making choices that were dangerous to your future well being (I am sure you don't want me to post for the public the things you had been doing). Your mom and dad cared enough about you to sacrifice their needs, their finances, and your sisters' needs to try to help you.
Did you bother to think of anyone but yourself when you ran away when you first got down to Mexico, taking a younger student with you? Do you realize the other student has a medical condition, and your selfishness could have resulted in her dying? Do you even care?
You can justify all you want, but God is not mocked. You will have to give an account to Him for your rebellious attitude towards your parents.
The Bible says to honor your parents. You have done anything but honor them. Your behavior and example to your younger brother and your younger sister has been dishonorable.
Justify your actions all you want, but when it is all said and done, you will not be able to manipulate the Lord as you have done with your brother's adoptive mother.
You have twisted information that has resulted in your brother's adoptive mother to bad mouth your mom and dad on the web. If that is not bad enough, others who post on this forum have jumped in the act and have also bad mouthed your parents. Your parents are good loving, caring parents. You and I both know that is the truth. What is more, God knows that is the truth.
When the world starts to close in on you, remember Amanda, you have brought it upon yourself. God is not mocked. You will reap what you have sown. However, God has been merciful to you. The Lord has shown graciousness to you for the sake of your younger sister who loves you and misses you so much. God is patient. But, don't kid yourself. He will not allow you to continue down this path forever.
And, Amanda, the profanities used by you in your postings really are unbecoming of you. How a young woman who has been blessed with such an abundance of physical beauty can utter such ugliness is beyond me.
As appauled as I am by your behavior, I continue to pray for you, as I have done since you first arrived in Mexico with your father. It really bothers me to see how you continue to choose to ruin your life. You are so good at manipulating and deceiving, you have deceived yourself into believing that you are doing ok and that you have done nothing wrong.
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Dear Church Lady,
Did it ever occur to you that some of us would rather not hear your biblical predictions for, and rantings about this young woman.
Did you ask her permission to discuss or divulge things about her that are of a personal nature, on a public forum? Shouldn't you leave that to her and her family? What a nosey busy-body. What's at stake in this for you, except for the obvious pleasure of shaming a child.
If you trust in your lord and god, why don't you back off and let them handle the situation. Looks like they're doing a pretty damn good job thus far. Without any assisstance from you.
I think the Jesus I've read about would not condone shaming a child.
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Question, Anon. Have you ever met any of these people you're talking about face to face? Ever met Viva? Her brother? Her brother's adoptive mother? Any of them? If not, what is the basis for your stated beliefs about them? Are you even sure that Viva is Amanda? You might be surprised.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Viva--I assure you that if this used-god-salesman Loser posts allegations about what you had or hadn't gotten into as a teen that the rest of us are *not* going to think badly of you. We're not going to even allow that they might be true without a *large* grain of salt because so many of these kids in so many of these teen RTCs have been coerced, if they didn't have enough bad behaviors, to make up a few in order to "comply" and get the hell out.
Unlike our religious-fanatic non-friend, we have heard the smaller, more expressive words of the English language before, and aren't inclined to hold those against you, either.
As for what that Loser Goomba who oh-so-lovingly tells you he thinks God ought to torture you with fire and brimstone says about what his god has in store for you, take a brief moment to imagine what the muslims think *their* god has in store for *him*.
You, like anyone and everyone else in this world, should get your head together and not do overtly secularly self-destructive things, and should treat other people nicely, but you should do it for yourself because it will make you a person *you* like. Not to say you aren't already, mind you, that's just my general ongoing life advice for *everybody*--including me.
But you should also strive to ignore the Loser Goomba. His way lies not happiness and peace, but self-righteous obsession and perpetual preachiness as a *substitute* for happiness and peace. True happiness and peace comes from breaking secularly self-destructive habits and thought patterns, and from making yourself into, every day, a person you like by doing nice things and *remembering that you've done them* (and by avoiding being gratuitously mean to others).
Some would say I'm being gratuitously mean by calling Craig (or his net personality clone) a Loser Goomba, and it *is* mean, but not gratuitous. I think anyone who pushes belief in a punitive god that tortures people and claims to know who that god's intended future victims are *deserves* a little pointed criticism.
Live your life. Learn to do something each and every day that makes you a little bit more into a person you like and admire. Keep track of the gratuitously nice things you do each day, whether it's holding the door for someone, a friendly smile at a cashier or other someone who needs one, a genuine compliment, or some other nice act, big or small. Write them down in a journal. When you get low, read over them.
And make a special point of ignoring Loser Goomba Used God Salesmen.
That doesn't mean you should ignore your spirituality. It just means that genuinely spiritual counselors and leaders will be the people who do and say nice things and kind things, and avoid doing and saying bad or cruel things. When you meet a minister like that, in the faith of your choice, listen to him/her--that's a wise person. Follow his/her example and seek out his/her advice.
The Anonymous Loser Goomba is clearly spiritually bankrupt, and doesn't know it. "He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a Fool, avoid him."---Mr. Griffin, history teacher, veteran, and very wise old man (probably quoting someone else).
Best wishes in your life for you to grow to become, more and more each day for all your life, a nice person you like and admire.
Timoclea
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Timoclea,
Where does the "looser Goomba" say God will torture anyone?
I think your reading things into the statement in question that are not there; based on your own preconceived prejudices.
We (Christians) are taught very clearly God chastises those whom he loves. If we call ourselves by His name, and we are willfully disobedeant; God will allow circumstances to get our attention and bring us to repentance. This is not "torture". No where did the "looser goomba" say anything about torture; or fire and brimstone; and this is not what was ment, I am almost certain. But rather the Love of God that will not let His own stray to far without redirection.
As for what the moon god might do with he, she or me - It is not an issue. He does seek to destroy us; but we have a wonderful counselor who defends us.
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BuzzKill---Sure. Loser Goomba's comments on God not letting Viva do or continue to do things Loser Goomba disapproves of were all about God tickling her with a feather or applying 50 lashes with a wet noodle. Riiiiight. And don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain who talks about lakes of fire and weeping and gnashing of teeth.
You may believe what you're saying, but I think any *rational* person would read Loser Goomba's posts as threats that his god would do Bad Things to her if she didn't change her life to live Loser Goomba's way.
Misunderstanding my ass.
Passive aggressive bullshit trip, more like.
Timoclea
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Well, everyone is entitled to they own opinion :smile:
I thought you might feel that way, no matter how I tried to explain it. However, I wouldn't want any of the kids who might read this to see only your point of view. There IS another perspective and it seems important to me they realize this.
I do honestly believe the post was intended as a reminder that God will not allow His sheep to stray without correction. On a related note, the only Peace and safety to be had is in the center of God's will. I know most everyone will have points to quibble with and that's OK. I don't mean to be "arguing". I only wish to have the other perspective also represented.
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What I heard is a lot of fearful, shame based threats, predictions, and evaluations. Children learn what they live. Is this the method used at ALA? Are you trying to put some kind of religious curse on this child? Do you really care about her well-being or are you desperately needing to publicly target her with the frustration you feel because she is no longer in 'care'. Sounds like she and her family don't desire the 'care' you have to offer? Can't help but think that is a good thing.
Shame: Dearest "Viva", you should be ashamed of yourself
Threat: You had been making choices that were dangerous to your future well being (I am sure you don't want me to post for the public the things you had been doing).
Fearful Threat: You will have to give an account to Him for your rebellious attitude towards your parents.
Judgement: Your behavior and example to your younger brother and your younger sister has been dishonorable.
Fearful Threat: you will not be able to manipulate the Lord as you have done with your brother's adoptive mother.
Fearful Threat: Your parents are good loving, caring parents. You and I both know that is the truth. What is more, God knows that is the truth.
Fearful Prediction: When the world starts to close in on you, remember Amanda, you have brought it upon yourself.
Fearful Threat/Prediction: God is patient. But, don't kid yourself. He will not allow you to continue down this path forever.
Judgement/Evaluation: It really bothers me to see how you continue to choose to ruin your life. You are so good at manipulating and deceiving, you have deceived yourself into believing that you are doing ok and that you have done nothing wrong.
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I understand you, and no doubt many others, view this post this way. I can understand why you would. My only point is, not everybody does, and I 'hear' something very different when I read it.
I have tried to explain why.
As for Children living what they learn - I know. This is so. But we are not talking about a preschooler or grade schooler. These kids are teenagers and are not nearly as likely to accept a false image as a result of a false message - except when it comes from a peer group. And, It may be high time someone explained they are accountable for their actions and words and that youth with all of life before it can make grave mistakes.
Also, bear in mind, these particualr kids are professing Christians. This makes it entirely appropreate for other (and hopefully more mature) Christians to instruct them as to living a Christian life.
One Christain may tell another, you are goofing up big time; and be only doing what is their responsability as a brother or sister in Christ; when this same statement would be out of line with a non-belevor who hadn't asked for any such feedback.
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This family has said repeatedly that they do not desire to be evaluated and 'instructed' by you. There has been ample discussion between the two parties to clearly discern that the two parties are not in agreement in terms of their individual interpretations of the bible, nor in their definitions of what being a christian entails.
Let it go. I've heard the Serenity Prayer works for some control freaks.
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Seems to me it be you trying to control things here. I can't recall any instance where "this Family" (tho its unclear what family and what "two parties" you mean) has said they had no intrest in what I (or anyone) might say.
I can't help but think you are speaking for yourself and projecting your opinions onto others who have made no statement of the kind.
If you have no interest - by all means skip it - but its not your place to announce nobody else does.
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To the best of my understanding, all parties involved w/ this kid are professing Christians, including the kid herself. Some of those professing Christians seem to be saying that they are speaking for God when they insist that the other Christians are making mistakes. And they know it because God told him so. So then, how do you know whether or not you have a higher claim on God's intentions then the other Christians do? Does God assign rank in cases such as these? Can't you guys just figure out who outranks who and settle it that way?
When we talk to God, we call it prayer. When God talks to us, we call it schizophrenia.
All thinking men are atheists.
--Ernest Hemingway, American author
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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HI Ginger.
Speaking for myself, I'm really not trying to ferret out God's will in this matter, one way or the other. I have said for some time, in this case (assuming we are talking about Amanda) time to let go and let God; believing as I do, He can, and will, work what ever mistakes we might make, out for the best, if we let Him.
My concern here, was simply to point out there are other interpretations of the one post. I wouldn't want any kid to log back on and read it; and then read the following commentary; and think this is what was intended; as they might, if it went without further comment. I happen to think my interpretation more valid; but really don't want to belabor the point. I only wanted to put my alternative point of view 'out there' for consideration. [ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2004-11-02 13:20 ]
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And how do you know that this kid, whether it's Amanda or not, being rescued from Craig, isn't the hand of God himself correcting just such a mistake?
Seriously. Not a rhetorical question. What makes you think as you do on this issue?
Oh, one other question. Have you ever met any of the people involved here, except for Craig and, possibly, the anon poster from Coral Springs?
No citizen of a liberal and democratic nation profits from a victorious war.
--Ludwig von Mises
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I haven't expressed a point of view on that Ginger. Once upon a time, on one of Paige's threads, I conceeded I had no way of knowing what God's will might be on this matter. I say the same now. I do not know. I am not trying to pretend I do. I was not trying to comment on what Amanda should do or did - I do NOT know.
I do not know the kid at all, nor do I know her family. I haven't said I did. But bear in mind - you don't know anything about them either.
I have no idea who is in Coral Springs or even where Coral Springs is; so, I have no idea if I've met them - but I doubt it.
I was only commenting on what I honestly believe was a misunderstanding of the motive and meaning of the so called 'looser goomba's' post. I feel I have a better understanding of what was intended simply from being familiar with the concept of Christian mentoring. Thats all. Nothing more.
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Karen,
Does your christian mentoring to teens include shame, guilt and fear? Did you read the post? Are you in agreement with what the person (Craig)communicated to Amanda? Particularly after Paige has made it clear on a number of ocassions that she doesn't subscribe to the same religious interpretations, nor does she desire Craig's counsel. She obviously doesn't desire his 'mentoring'. Make sense? It's that simple.
Have to give him credit for persistence. Good trait for any business man to possess.
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I don't know Deb. I guess it might. For instance, when my son steals, I think he should be ashamed. If he does something that hurts someone on purpose, I think that is shameful and he ought to feel it. That feeling is guilt and its what leads to repentance.
I don't know if what was said to this supposed Amanda was appropreate or not. I know nothing about her history and weither or not stern counsel is needed.
I am not as certain as you seem to be the anon poster in question is Craig; but it is certinly someone who knows more than either of us about the situation with Amanda.
Yes, I know Paige has said what you recall here; but the post wasn't addressed to Paige.
I did read the post. I don't "hear" what you hear when reading it. I wanted to explain (mostly for the kid)there is another way of "hearing" it. Simple as that. Really. I am not attempting to cast judgement of any kind; either way.
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It's a passive-aggressive load of crap.
*True* Christian mentoring would instead ask: "How do *you* think God is going to view your behavior?"
True Christian mentoring would ask the girl to keep praying for guidance and consult her Pastor frequently to keep on the right track.
True Christian mentoring would ask the girl to read the Bible, consult her Pastor, and continue to pray for guidance about how best to honor her father and mother within the meaning of the Bible and Christian belief.
True Christian mentoring would trust God instead of setting itself up to presume to dictate how God feels about and judges current behavior.
The Loser Goomba's post was *not* true Christian mentoring. It was a load of passive-aggressive bullcrap couched in Christian mentoring *jargon*.
Unfortunately, such loads of passive-aggressive bullcrap are often effective because many believers can't see past the jargon to the distinctly *un*Christian sentiments it conceals.
Timoclea
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I am Amanda. If ever i should be afaid to use my own name, Help me god.Im not hiding from you people of abundant life academy, finaticals,or anyone else for that matter.
I will NOT lie to you! ask me a question ill give you an answer.I am here you know how to find me.you can ask me in private or on this forum.
OH yes, fanatical one .. u know who u are. OH high and mighty ruler of ALA i know your game and i am playing.and i do it better than you know.
Thank you all who are supporting me I am forever greatfull. Thank you so much!
Viva,
AMANDA
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YO Judgement,
REVEAL YOUR SELF - OR ARE U SCARED TO? Cant make you do what you dont want to !
Viva,
AMANDA
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Amanda---I'm glad you're home and getting the supportive nurturing environment that you need and that all children and young adults deserve.
Good luck and best wishes for the future.
Timoclea
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That is just the problem Amanda. You have been playing games for far too long. whether or not you realize it, you are hurting your future. The people who are "supporting" you through this forum are not the ones who have been there for you in the past. They are not the ones who have lost sleep wondering where you are and whether or not you are ok. You are cutting off the people who truly love you. You said to ask and you will answer. Ok, how do you justify the pain you have put your sisters through? Your only concern has been yourself. Don't you care about them? And, by the way, you are way off. I am not part of ALA. It is not rocket science to follow the threads over the past severall months to see what is really going on. You keep on playing your games. You have fooled yourself, you have fooled those who have taken pity on your parents demonstrating tough love. But, Viva, you do not fool the Lord. What I think, and what those you have fooled think, really doesn't matter. What does matter is what the Lord thinks. You are a smart girl. You have a Bible. Pick it up and see for yourself what God has to say about what you have been doing - your total disrespect and dishonoring of your parents. I am not your judge, nor are your supporters mine. Because I do care about you, I will not be silent and encourage you to continue in your sinning. Better are the wounds of a friend than the kisses of an enemy. Those who are supporting you, really are not your friends. They do not care about your eternal salvation. If they did, they would be telling you the same things I have been telling you. The Lord will hold you accountable for your actions and your rebelliousness. You will never find true peace and fulfillment as long as you live contrary to God's word. You and I both know that you know that to be true. Plead ignorance and deny it all you want, but, you have been raised to know the truth. You can run, you can hide, but you can't fool the Lord. He knows your heart. Wisdom would dictate that you be more concerned with what God has to say to you, than the words of your supporters via this forum. Only God can give you eternal salvation, they can't. Viva, I will continue to pray that the Lord open your eyes and soften your heart. It is not too late to turn your feet from the path that you are walking. I pray that God give you no peace as long as you walk contrary to Him. As long as you live rebelliously, I pray that you have no peace. I pray that God bless you as you turn your heart to Him. As far as being scared, the only thing you need be scared of, is turning your back on the Lord. For you to even say that, is an indication that your are very insecure in your choices. Obviously, no one else cares enough about you to tell you the truth.
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Annon said to Amanda:
"I pray that God give you no peace as long as you walk contrary to Him. As long as you live rebelliously, I pray that you have no peace. I pray that God bless you as you turn your heart to Him.
Is this really what Christ would encourage you to do? To pray that a child has no peace? Why don't you pick up the Bible and read it for yourself?
You are praying that a child find misery and pain in life. Not very Christian of you my friend[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-11-14 18:05 ]
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Amanda, just ignore the brainwashed fool who speaks of god.
The bible itself says there will be liars and false prophets.
As for the anonymous bullshitter, fuck you. You're just a brainwashed fuck who'se following a fairytale. You don't know two shits about god, you just know what some men have told you or you think a book told you. YOU do not fool us, or the god you believe in. You are not going to just brainwash her with fears of hell and the supernatural.
If she was abused at some place, even if her parents made her go, and even if this place is 'christian' as it can be, she was still abused. You can't just do anything you want and have god on your side becuase your say so. This is not about rebelliousness its about her escaping from abuse. If that is rebellious in YOUR eyes, then tough shit. Get with the real world and stop hiding under your pages of scripture and the authority of someone else. If god really is the ultimate judge then you'll find out eventually (and not a moment too soon!) That its not acceptable to just follow authority, JUST because its 'authority', especially when it hurts you or someone else.
You're full of shit and that girl isn't buying any of it, but you are making me rather amused. Our country has deliberately undertaken a great social and economic experimanet, noble in motive and far-reaching in purpose. [The Eighteenth Amendment, enacting Prohibition.]
Letter to Senator W.H. Borah
--Herbert Hoover (Feb 28, 1928)
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THANK YOU!!
Thanks Nihilanthic! You are right im not going to let any one Brian wash me and im not going to let any one bring me down!
You people can critisize all you want to but that doesnt mean u can bring me down with you. Are we not supose to encourage each other with "brotherly love " are u doing this ! ?
I dont under stand u people. it is not my place to say if your religion is right or wrong. So it is none of your buiseness to judge my life and say if i am rght or wrong as well!
you can comunicate to me by private message if u wish to !
Amanda
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I have waited a long time to write anything in this forum. Especially because I know anonymous is not really anonymous. The keepers of this site seem to have no problem telling others who or where the posts came from. But after much thought I decided to take the chance. I happen to know Amanda, Paige, the extended family and adoptive parents quite well. I know that the C's adopted Amanda only after at least seven other homes rejected her, including Paige, and Amanda's aunt, uncles, and other friends of theirs. I know the C's went into this knowing it would be difficult, but knew that every child deserved a home and deserved to be loved. I do know Paige well and know that she took Jon because he was the easiest of the two and always said that Amanda was not good for him. I know Amanda was often called Demanda by her biological family. I know that from day one the C's recognized that Amanda struggled with telling the truth and she often made up stories about her biological mom trying to get her back. I was the recipient of one of these stories. I know the C's loved and still love her. I know Amanda was offered every opportunity in the world. She traveled, went to camp, she took dance, gymnastics, tennis,snow skiing, snow boarding, voice, she played volleyball, and basketball. I know she was often verbally and physically abusive to her sisters. But the C's still loved her and tried everything to get her to realize that love. I know that the reason AManda did not return to the private school and was homeschooled is because she failed. She failed not because she couldn't do the work, but because she refused to. Public school was not an option because she always chose friends that were not positive influences for her. Remember the C's have two other children that had to be protected from Amanda's choices. I also know that the reason Amanda ran was because she was caught with her boyfriend at a babysitting job after lying about his presence there. I also know that she had been bringing him in thru her bedroom window to sleep with her the week prior to her running, and she bragged about it to her friends at church. I also know that her boyfriend was on probation at school for drug use. Instead of forbidding her from seeing him, the C's encouraged him to go to church and even paid for him to attend the youth retreat the day Amanda ran. I know Amanda was picked up at a Meth lab. She chose not to come home. I know that the C's asked to stay home and go to couseling as a family to work things out, but she chose to go to boarding school. I know they even asked her the day she went to Mex. to stay home but she chose to leave. I also know that Mrs. C went to Mexico to visit and returned excited about Amanda and her desires. They talked about Amanda's return. Amanda told all kinds of stories about being angry at Paige for posting on this site. Paige supposedly told Amanda that Mrs. C was a druggie and had a sleazy past. All lies, I have known both Mr and Mrs. C for most of their lives. These are people that offer their home to anyone in need of a home. They truly offer the love and hospitality that the Bible talks about. True religion is caring for the widows and the fatherless or something like that they would say. I am not part of their religious beliefs, but know they are devoted to loving others and I have been the recipient of that love many times. Amanda, you have hurt many people, friends, family, your little sister still cries every day because she loves you so much. But most of all you are hurting you by trying to live out this lie. You even lied to get Paige and the L's to agree to get you when you ran away. There was never any talk of sending you any where else. The only talk was of you being home and the anticipation of reuniting the family. Amanda, in some ways I agree with others advice to you on this site about not being brainwashed. Make up your mind for yourself. Has it ever occurred to you that Paige might be the one trying to brainwash you? You should be close to 18 now. Think for yourself, but try to remember the truth, not all the lies you have been telling for so long. I think maybe you have told the lies so much that you have begun to believe them.
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More attempts to shame? No wonder Amanda wanted to get the hell away from her parents and their nosey friends.
I hope Ginger will divulge your identity if Amanda decides to sue you for public slander. And/or remove your post to protect her privacy.
Even if everything you said were true, do you consider this public forum an appropriate place to do so? Who did you imagine your audience to be? The public? Paige? Amanda? If the latter, a private letter or message would have been more appropriate.
If your agenda was to paint Amanda in a negative light, you failed. You have just proven how low a righteous, nosey busy-body will stoop. Perhaps Amanda could come back with some stories about your private life. Wouldn't that be fun? Does a teen deserve any less respect and consideration?
What a disgusting human specimen you are.
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Amanda...I now have a Casa by the Sea survivor lving with us (our oldest grandaughter). She spent almost one year at age 14 in Casa, and has been with *us* now for almost one year. She's now 16, and a junior in our local high school.
She has a boyfriend, numerous girlfriends (she's at a sleepover birthday party tonight), and is liked by her teachers. She is struggling with schoolwork, but we continue to help and her achievements continue coming, even in little baby steps. She mourns the lack of attention and indifference to her continuing life of her parents, but she is growing into adulthood and recognizing that Life sometimes sucks. She will someday be a really fine young woman and a wonderful mother and wife...or single, if she chooses. In any event, she is moving on successfully.
My best wishes to you as you move beyond a very bad experience. Paige has stepped in as a loving adult who worked hard to "capture" you, and she should be applauded. She is like a parent to you, but you should remember that there are tremendous ups-and-downs in parenting. All will not go smoothly. Throughout your life, please remember the Big Picture and love the humans in this world who truly care about your future...including all of us on Fornits.
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Amanda---some good advice: ignore the used-god salesman who thinks he knows you.
Pick a profession and a trade to learn as ways to earn your living. When the economy is up for the professions, it's usually down for the trades, and vice versa.
Work hard to learn that profession and trade.
Get a job, pay your bills, avoid people whose lives are social soap operas and avoid having your life be a social soap opera, and move on with your life.
The life experience of working, paying your bills, and taking care of your own self will do more to grow you up than anything *anyone* can say to you.
After a year out on your own, with your new adult maturity, take a good close look at your religious life and your spirituality and decide from your own heart and mind what you think is a good and right way to live, and make your best call about the whole religion thing. Live that way.
Spirituality and religion are important, but you need to become a grownup first. How you become a grownup is by learning to stand on your own two feet and pay your bills, and by doing it.
Avoid credit cards. They're about as bad as street drugs for getting in over your head and screwing up your life. Get one for emergencies, get one with no annual fee or the lowest one you can find, and a grace period, only use it for those emergencies, and pay it off every month.
Nobody's perfect. This is not a test. If this had been a test, you would have been issued paper and pencil instead of a Real Life.
Never forget to stop and smell the roses, and the daffodils, and the hyacinths, and the......
The AA Serenity Prayer---it's not just for alcoholics---and living one day at a time works for anybody.
Best Wishes,
Timoclea
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On 2004-11-14 18:04:00, cherish wisdom wrote:
"Annon said to Amanda:
"I pray that God give you no peace as long as you walk contrary to Him. As long as you live rebelliously, I pray that you have no peace. I pray that God bless you as you turn your heart to Him.
Is this really what Christ would encourage you to do? To pray that a child has no peace? Why don't you pick up the Bible and read it for yourself?
You are praying that a child find misery and pain in life. Not very Christian of you my friend[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-11-14 18:05 ]"
A-Men and A-Men! Just skimming as I haven't had time to read much lately. Just wanted to say hi, thanks for this and to Amanda :nworthy: You're one tough cookie!
I also wanted to point something out about our anon friend. A lot of people assume it's Craig because he/she is always towing the line. But I don't think so and it's more than just the source of origin. After all, it's not hard at all to use several access points. Plenty of people do it just for convenience if, say, they need a cheap sattelite uplink for their lap top.
There's another reason. Craig wouldn't say he prays for God to visit missery on someone. Craig would say he spoke to God earlier and God assured him personally that he will visit hellfire and damnation on the person under discussion.
Just my observation. Am I wrong? :em:
Under the benign influence of our republican institutions, and the maintenance of peace with all nations whilst so many of them were engaged in bloody and wasteful wars, the fruits of a just policy were enjoyed in an unrivaled growth of our faculties and resources.
James Madison
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On 2004-11-19 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
I happen to know Amanda, Paige, the extended family and adoptive parents quite well.
Really! That's odd because Amanda and Paige have both said that they live in Texas and you're not posting from Texas. So, if you don't mind my asking, how is it that you have come to know these folks so well?
Oh, and before you go prattling on about your precious anonymity please note that 1) I think you sort of waived the right when you started making these wild statements about this kid and 2) there are a whole lot of people who, like you, are not in Texas.
Please answer the question cause I just assume that you're full of beans, you don't know these people, you only heard about them from some others who also do not reside in Texas and/or, Like Amanda (may have done), you're a minor in AAA and just saying what you have to say to avoid retribution (in which case, don't worry, be happy, we'll all understand once the chips fall where they may)
If we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion by education
--Thomas Jefferson
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Timoclea,
Religion is the opus of the masses and subject to the very same risk/benefit assessment.
Good, eh? I thunk it up myself while having my ear bent by a very well intende parson the other day.Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
--Unanimous
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On 2004-11-20 15:09:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2004-11-14 18:04:00, cherish wisdom wrote:
"Annon said to Amanda:
"I pray that God give you no peace as long as you walk contrary to Him. As long as you live rebelliously, I pray that you have no peace. I pray that God bless you as you turn your heart to Him.
Is this really what Christ would encourage you to do? To pray that a child has no peace? Why don't you pick up the Bible and read it for yourself?
You are praying that a child find misery and pain in life. Not very Christian of you my friend[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-11-14 18:05 ]"
A-Men and A-Men! Just skimming as I haven't had time to read much lately. Just wanted to say hi, thanks for this and to Amanda :nworthy: You're one tough cookie!
I also wanted to point something out about our anon friend. A lot of people assume it's Craig because he/she is always towing the line. But I don't think so and it's more than just the source of origin. After all, it's not hard at all to use several access points. Plenty of people do it just for convenience if, say, they need a cheap sattelite uplink for their lap top.
There's another reason. Craig wouldn't say he prays for God to visit missery on someone. Craig would say he spoke to God earlier and God assured him personally that he will visit hellfire and damnation on the person under discussion.
Just my observation. Am I wrong? :em:
Under the benign influence of our republican institutions, and the maintenance of peace with all nations whilst so many of them were engaged in bloody and wasteful wars, the fruits of a just policy were enjoyed in an unrivaled growth of our faculties and resources.
James Madison
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Yes, you are wrong. Nothing was said about wishing misery on the girl. Only that she not find peace as long as she persists in her rebellious behavior.
There is a big difference.
No one would ever want anything bad to happen to her. That would not be right. However, one cannot expect her life to be blessed as long as she continues to live in rebellion against her parents.
You cannot expect the Lord to bless you when you disobey Him. Dishonoring your parents is disobeying God. Period.
The posting from the person claiming to know the family is very revealing. It certainly paints a different picture than the stuff posted by the person who started posting this whole drama.
This is an open forum. It has certainly achieved its purpose, to keep the conversation going. Unfortunately, there are those who feel that unless someone thinks the same as they do, that they shouldn't be able to post. After reading the posting by the person who says they know the family, and the postings of the person who started this whole drama, the person stating to know the family deffinately sounds more believeable. Think about it. The behavior outlined in the posting certainly warrants a drastic response, which is exactly what the parents did by sending their child off to Mexico in the first place. Parents don't just send their children off for no good reason.
It would appear that the picture of the child that had been painted prior to the posting by the person who knows the family is not accurate.
The negative behavior demonstrated by the childed as outlined in the posting certainly is for the parents to take drastic actions.
Bottom line, as always, it doesn't matter what you and I think. We are not the parents. Parental custody was interferred with. Those of you who support this illegal activity need to realize, every child is different. What you would choose to do with your rebellious child is not the same as what others would do to help their's. You don't know what the family has gone through, as you have not been there. Neither have I, which is why it would be out of line for me to condemn the parents for their choices where their rebellious child are concerned.
Not a one of you would appreciate a stranger giving your rebellious teenager encouragement to continue being rebellious towards you. Why do you persist in encouraging this child to continue in her rebelliousness?
You are upset that I pray she has not peace as long as she disobeys the Lord, yet your actions encourage her to continue down the path that leads away from heaven. You are the ones that are hurting her.
As far as the commentary on trying to determine who is writing what, that would really be an unethical breach of trust. But then again, it would be unrealistic to think that someone who would support a child's rebellious behavior to have any ethics to start with.
Don't worry. The pearls will not be cast before the swine anymore. It is evident that you have no spiritual discernment and as such, cannot comprehend anything that has been said.
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Dear God, please save me from your followers!
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Jesus Christ, what cult were you raised in?
You're yet another twit who thinks no parents could ever do wrong, and its only a case of a defiant kid.
Reality check, the beliefs that were beaten into you, literally or not, don't always hold true. Parents can and do fuck up. Just because they fucked and her mom shoved her out of her cunt doesn't mean they're good, and that their offspring has no will of her own.
Go get acclimated with reality before you post this bullshit to us. Parents can't just do anything they want to their kids because of whatever biblical prescident you believe in.
Well, that is unless you think all parents are perfect and no child has their own will. In which case why don't you go shoot yourself and see if your beliefs are true and ask god personally what god thinks.
Ask him about a friend of mine who was raped by her stepfather and her mom simply refuses to do anything to help her or protect her from him, despite his past record of abusing children. Is she defiant if she is mad at her mom for not doing her job? I bet your only respone is the girl is lying or, even more amazing, she should just do what her mom says even if that new husband of her raped her and still tries to molest her from time to time.
Until god tells me something, shut up. Don't bother posting a reply about how all these words in your bible prove this or that, I'm sick of hearing bullshit....
and so is Amanda. Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.
--Mark Twain
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On 2004-11-20 23:39:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
As far as the commentary on trying to determine who is writing what, that would really be an unethical breach of trust.
No, not at all. I'm not trying to guess who you are or who the other anon is. I'm simply sharing w/ the rest of the conversants here that neither of you are posting from the same place where this kid and her (complex) family live. You both imply or state outright that you know them all oh so well and I'm questioning that. You're the ones being dishonest and unethical.
I'm guessing that neither one of you actually knows these people at all and that your only connection to them is AAA. Am I right? I am only guessing, after all. Can you explain to me how you know these people so well?
And, btw, I think you're missing some of the purpose of this forum. Paige started these threads for the explicitly stated purpose of gathering information to help her rescue a young woman who was being illegally held against her will. And it worked.
Another purpose of this forum is to allow you fundie freaks to show your asses to the whole world. You see, no one believes us when we try to explain it to them. They just have to see it for themselves. So thanks for your participation. You have no idea how helpful you have been.
:wave:
Life is like a shit sandwich; the more bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat.
--Anonymous
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Ginger writes:
Another purpose of this forum is to allow you fundie freaks to show your asses to the whole world. You see, no one believes us when we try to explain it to them. They just have to see it for themselves. So thanks for your participation. You have no idea how helpful you have been.
You realize this coin flips, don't you?
I just want to comment on the state thing you've brought up. Living in a different state in know way indicates a lack of personal knowledge. This is a mobile nation. I'm in Kentucky, as you know, but I have friends and family all over the US of A and I know them and their circumstances very well. This is not at all unusual.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
--Unanimous
This is good advice.
Jesus said something very like this once.
Maybe we'd best all take heed, and quite arguing.
Amanda like so many of these kids may well be in a state of rebellion. It's so normal. If so, God will work on her heart and she will return home. This too, is normal. There is no reason to think Amanda won't be just fine; and every reason to believe there will be bumps along the way. There always are.
Note: I am not speaking of home, as in mom and dad's house. That may never happen, and this too, is normal. Typically, after some adjustments in attitude on all parties parts the relationships within the family improve greatly. Give it some time.
By all means, those so inclined, Keep praying! But you needent tell all of Fornits about it.
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I'm a parent. My kid's not a teen yet, but I sure as anything know I'm *not* perfect, and sometimes when my daughter's mad at me it's because I've been an ass. I generally try to apologize and start behaving myself again.
My parents are good people who loved me dearly growing up, but they didn't do very well by me in some ways. It wasn't their fault---even the doctors and experts knew so little about early onset bipolar disorder (such as the fact that bipolar *could* show up as young as age five). My parents did the best they could.
It wasn't good enough to save me from a childhood hell, and yeah, I rebelled in my teens because I resented them not being able to protect me. And because by the time I hit my teens I could start to see that my parents weren't all that well connected with reality either.
Teenage rebellion is a normal and natural process of recognizing your parents have feet of clay and you could and can make better decisions about your life for yourself.
Adult reconciliation with parents is a normal and natural process where you realize which of your decisions in your teenage hubris were wrong, and which ones were right, and you can give your parents credit for where they were right and tried to tell you so without having to place yourself back under their wing and suffer where their decisions for you really would have been or were worse than the ones you'd make for yourself.
My problem with the people who are so quick to chasten Amanda is not that oh, about half, of her life decisions are worse than they could be at this point. My problem with the people who are chastening Amanda is that they don't appear to recognize the dividing point between childhood and adulthood is that *some* of the budding adult's decisions for herself are *better* than those the parents would make---and where her decisions are worse than those her parents would make, she has to learn from experience.
You're not wrong that *some* of her decisions will be worse than those of her parents.
You're wrong in not recognizing that sometimes when young adults and their parents conflict, the young adult is *right*---and it's not easy to tell which is who is what.
The bible says *children* should obey their parents.
Yeah, well this is the same tribal group that held bat mitsvahs at 13. By biblical standards, Amanda is not a child, she's an adult.
Honoring your parents is not the same thing as obeying them. I have not seen Amanda come on here and cuss out or bitch about her parents. As upset as she has to be about them, that's got to take a certain amount of willpower---and that public restraint of the impulse to disrespect *is* part of honoring her parents.
The bible also says, "Fathers, provoke not thy children to wrath."
What I see here is a young woman who has had the wisdom to move in with and be advised by an older woman, who is trying to study, stay in touch with her spirituality, and live her life as a good woman.
If her parents feel dishonored by Amanda's behavior at this point, it's all in their own heads.
If you want to argue secular law says she's a child, take the matter up in the courts.
If you want to argue biblical law, she's not a child, she's a young woman, and one who is apparently going to school and church and is living, apparently harmoniously and respectfully, in the home of her brother's adoptive mother.
You have no hard evidence that this young woman is currently engaging in immoral behavior. In the absence of that hard evidence, asking the old question WWJD---Jesus wouldn't approve of you slandering this young woman.
Timoclea
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On 2004-11-21 09:08:00, BuzzKill wrote:
Amanda like so many of these kids may well be in a state of rebellion. It's so normal. If so, God will work on her heart and she will return home. This too, is normal. There is no reason to think Amanda won't be just fine; and every reason to believe there will be bumps along the way. There always are.
Ya' know? It's thinking like that that led to the War of 1812. Sometimes, rebellion is well justified.
And I have to tell you that I'm a whole lot more concerned for the safety and wellbeing of that little sister that the anon poster mentioned. Maybe she's not crying because she wants Amanda to come back 'home' but because she wishes she could join her. Ever consider that angle? The introduction of a Creator has done our independence no good.
--Gore Vidal, author
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"Spots"... I will be praying for your survivor and i will be praying for you.Thank your for your suportive words.bless yous guys.
Furthermore .. no one will "brian wash " me! i know better.Im not saying i know what is right and wrong all the time BUT hey, if any one does that is somthing extremly amazing!If so...
let me in on the secreat ,you fanatics that think you know all of Gods commands and teachings and think u r the right one all the time . . .
Not trying to sound like a Smart Butt however, i am just speaking my opinion!
Anonymous.... Show your self or r u scared.How is it that u "know" so much about me? You have been lied to as well about "mrs.C", you have no idea.
Any way .... im fine and im not being fooled! i have been home for 4 months and they havent done crap.. so i dont think they care too much..
they have spoken to a lawer. they want to have an "adult relationship " with me. hmm ? what that means we havent an idea. They are not too concerned about me.Or they would persue the "adult relationship". They just want me amancipated and my S.S. money they are still collecting it. Even though i am not living with them. that is SO SO right of them .. isnt it ... U know cause they are "christians " and that is okay to do cause they are christians? hmm i guess so cause that is what u guys are telling people on thins forum ..we are right and you are wrong .... dont know it just sounds wrong .
but that is the kind of world we live in hu ?
oh well!
Thank you all for the nice and helpfull words !
Viva ,
Amanda
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Dearest "Viva"
If you have been home for four months, why haven't you contacted them? You are the one who ran, not them. They have remained constant. They love you so much, you will never know until you have a rebellious teenager of your own. Did you ever stop to think that maybe they love you so much, they are willing to stay out of your life, as that is what you have shown you want? This has been your choice, not theirs. But, enough of them and of you, what about your younger sister and how much you have hurt her. Have you tried to contact her and tell her you love her? You are the one who did a posting asking for information on becoming emancipated. That was your idea. (It isn't rocket science to follow the posts). They didn't shove you out the door and tell you to get lost. You ran. More than once. They sacraficed to try to get you help. You show your appreciation by bad mouthing them in a public forum. How ungrateful. You truly need help. The advisary has a strong hold on you. He is the one who has brainwashed you. He has brainwashed you into believing that what you are doing is ok. It is not. Stop deflecting your dishonorable actions. Those who you seek to gain approval from on this forum don't know the Lord. You do. You know, deep down, that what you are doing is wrong. You can bad mouth your parents all you want, Viva, but the bottom line is you do know right from wrong. Those who give you support on this forum are deceived, you are not. You know the truth. You know, as well as I do, that God will hold you accountable for your actions. When it is your turn before God to give an accounting for your choices, you will not be able to deceive and manipulate Him as you have done with all the others. He knows your heart. You can lie to the "adult" you are living with, you can deceive those who give you support; but you can't deceive and lie to God. He knows the truth. And so do you. Who am I? Just another person who has read the postings, however, I have not been deceived. It isn't rocket science to be able to discern the truth. I pray that the Lord bless you according to your submission to His word. I would not be doing you any favors if I jumped on the band wagon and told you that you are doing the right thing and that I support your behavior. That would make me a party to your rebellion. There is nothing honorable about how you are choosing to live your life. You can justify all you want. Bottom line, "Honor your Father and Mother." Period.
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Uh-huh. So you admit you know nothing about Amanda or her situation but you feel free to judge her.
Personally, I don't know her either, I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt because the grown woman she's living with says she's behaving well.
If you can't see the difference between presuming someone you don't know well is a good person, versus presuming someone you don't know well is a bad person, then I truly pity you.
I'm not making judgements about Amanda's parents, beyond that I question sending a child to an RTC outside of the US when even the US State Department has put out an advisory heavily implying it's a bad idea.
Amanda doesn't seem to bear any malice towards her parents. Just like any normal teenager, she's starting to recognize that they don't do everything right. In due course of time, like every other normal person growing out of adolescence, she'll start to recognize how much they didn't do wrong and how much that, even though they may have gotten it wrong, they were doing the best they could.
The Bible is very clear that Jesus judges people by what's in their hearts. I respectfully submit that you have no idea what is in Amanda's heart and that you obviously aren't a good choice for religious advice, because you don't heed the biblical admonition to judge not that ye be not judged.
Sure, you can talk about reproving, rebuking and exhorting all you want---but you have never preached at Amanda's church to know the local situation like Paul did for the people *he* rebuked by letter, and you don't know Amanda or go to her local church. You're judging on a very limited amount of "information" largely made up of gossip and hearsay.
For *you* (and for me), Amanda's situation falls under the heading of "judge not that ye be not judged."
Reproving, rebuking, and exhorting, where it's needed, is the business of her de facto guardian, Paige, and the pastor at her local church, and the other members at her local church.
They know her, you and I don't.
She's a young woman, and prey to the natural flaws and faults of her age, and is doing well by putting herself in a spiritual environment that will provide the support and constructive criticism she may need along the way.
*You*, on the other hand, are presumably a fully grown man or fully grown woman and old enough to know better than to judge people you don't even know when you know full well they have a local church and a local pastor to support them with the guidance they need.
Take the log out of your own eye before you seek to clear the mote out of your neighbor's eye, sir.
Timoclea
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In addition to judgment, this commentary reeks of guilt, manipulation, fear-based coercion. Using the 'fear of god' to motivate Amanda to... do what? Return to home she does not want to live in? You folks who are preaching need to let go and let god....
Even if this is one big mistake... your bible tells a story that might apply here. The prodical child. Remember him. He who didn't blindly follow his father. He who was allowed to persue his own path. He who was celebrated when he returned. Celebrated and appreciated even more than his brother who blindly followed? Remember him? Now apply that to this situation and see if it brings you any peace. Restrain yourself.
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On 2004-12-06 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
The advisary has a strong hold on you. He is the one who has brainwashed you. He has brainwashed you into believing that what you are doing is ok. It is not. Stop deflecting your dishonorable actions. Those who you seek to gain approval from on this forum don't know the Lord. You do. You know, deep down, that what you are doing is wrong. You can bad mouth your parents all you want, Viva, but the bottom line is you do know right from wrong. Those who give you support on this forum are deceived, you are not. You know the truth. You know, as well as I do, that God will hold you accountable for your actions. When it is your turn before God to give an accounting for your choices, you will not be able to deceive and manipulate Him as you have done with all the others. He knows your heart. You can lie to the "adult" you are living with, you can deceive those who give you support; but you can't deceive and lie to God. He knows the truth. And so do you. Who am I? Just another person who has read the postings, however, I have not been deceived
Truely amazing! I want to tell you, anon, how honored we all are to have a visit from the one and only person on the planet capable of discerning over the net who is and who is not deceived by "the advisary". :rofl:
Viva, not that you need me to tell you this, but I don't think this person's advice regarding your mother and/or father is very good. But who knows, maybe we're all just deceived by the avisary and you should look them up and ask what they want you to do. [/sarcasm]
If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin
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I know many of the people involved and it is a sad situation but i can tell you that the child is doing well living with her younger brother and as far as I can see the writings by the "loser Goomba" as you have called this person who is being so rude to this young lady is indeed her mother who shipped her off. Do you really expect her to admit that she was wrong in what she did? check out the article about the 74 kids that were taken from the facility she was sent to for unsanitary conditions. It has been posted here on Fornits.
Hello, Lise. I see that you are still as sanctimonious and abusinve towards this child as ever. May God have mercy on you. You may be able to fool many people but you can not fool God. and thank God that you can not do any more harm to this child.
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Ah. It all becomes clear. The rants about "honor thy mother" are coming from...the adoptive mother.
Lot's daughters were mothers, too. That didn't make them particularly nice people.
Timoclea
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Ok, I just read the post by someone who says that they know all of us and they do have the names but not the proper info and really all this does is show that there are many sides to every story and this is just another version.
Obviously this person does not know me at all or they would know that I asked to adopt Amanda and I was willing to take both children. When Johnathon was in need of a home Amanda was stabilized with her Great Grandmother. Some time after that Ma Maw who is now 96 became incapable of caring for her. She began spending time with the C's while I was talking with the rest of the family about taking her to live with her brother and I. Yes Amanda was rejected by 2 families not 6 or 7 and she was rejected because their biological son was mean to her and said to his parents that he did not want her there. At that time the C's expressed an interest in keeping Amanda but not adopting her.
Amanda seemed to be happy there and I agree that in the beginning it seemed a good situation especially since her best friend was their daughter and they agreed that she would never be kept from her brother or the other family members. Things went awry as some things do.
What I can attest to is that things changed and eventually it was not the loving happy picture with perfect parents that you have painted. If it was Mrs. C would never have anounced to me and others that she did not like this child and was sorry she had adopted her. she called on numerous occassions screaming and calling this child horriblle names and using obscenities that I am sure you have never heard coming out of her mouth. If there was that much of a problem there were many different ways to handle it. Many mistakes were made by all including the C's.But who are the adults here? The C's. They are to be held responsible for their mistakes just as the child or should it be moreso because they are adults?
However that is a moot issue - the only issue at hand now is that this child is getting on with her life and getting an education that she was never allowed to have. By the way I had all kinds of test run on her when she got home. Her intelligence level is extremely high (in the uper 9 percentile). This is documented by professionals. Documentation by the state shows that she was an A student proir to The C's taking her out of school at approx age 10. She did not fail - however her "sister" was failing and I believe ther is substantial documentation for that as well.
I can appreciate your loyalty to the C's but your information is very wrong and family members of the C's are more than happy to confirm this. If you have a bone to pick take it up with me and use your name so I know who you are unless you are afraid that you may be proven wrong, and since you know me so well why don't you call me and I can show you all documentation
that proves what I am saying. But then again it doesn't really matter because that is in the past and we are looking towards the future. As far as the C's go. I wish them well. I think they loved Amanda to some degree and I know that Amanda loved them and still does.The goal would be for someday for them to be able to forgive and heal all wounds. Time will tell and until then Amanda is in counseling, going to School, going to church and getting her life together.
I wish you well and hope that you to can forgive a young woman who has made mistakes recognizes that and is moving on to a good and solid future.
Best wishes to you.
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The stories are true! They didn't have toilet paper,or healthy food, and the male staff molested a girl student. The staff stole and took the kids medications. The good staff were fired. The girls nurse/doctor had no credentials and neither did other supposed "trained" staff. They were just locals that worked for cheap. Students had no adequate medical care and had there belongings stolen. These are all true stories.
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so, where is the money????? I´m sorry for the parents, looks like C ":nworthy:" has too many words to say.....
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I have a question for the anonymous that appears to be so angry with this girl Amanda? What would you have her do. It appears that all of this you speak of happened quite some time ago and that she is well established were she is. So is she to wear a hair shirt? Is she to move back to the parents that she obviously doesn't get along with and she was adopted by these people so they are not biological parents but legally her parents and emotionally her parents. So she is to live with these people instead of her brother who lives with his adopted family? which seems to be her choice (right or wrong) and she is 17? about to be 18. what is it that you want her to do???????? I'm confused what is your goal?
It just sounds like your a very mad at her and want to make her unhappy or more unhappy than she was for whatever reason. You know teenagers are just a bit on the wacky side and it is very normal for teens to rebel sounds more normal than maybe it is but again I ask what is it that you want from her? and what exactly is your goal for your harsh words to this struggling young woman?
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If the stories are true, you need to file a report with ISAC.
http://www.ISACcorp.org (http://www.ISACcorp.org)
You can maintain your anonomy and tell someone who knows how to get it investigated; documented and hopefully stopped.
If your just repeating rumor, and don't in fact know any of this, then please consider, you could be seriously harming good people.
The officials in MX didn't clam there was any abuse or violation of the student's rights. They were very clear on that point.
So, if you feel you Know differently; you need to tell someone that can make a difference.
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Yes, they are true there are too many young people coming home from there telling the same stories.I'm not so sure that ISAC can make a difference so far there has been enough info leaking about ALA and ISAC appears to have done nothing or even turn a blind eye? However as bad as this place may be it seems that it is still one of the better ones in comparison to the others.
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ISAC never turns a blind eye to the kind of allegations you have made.
Now, if you, in a state of agitation, have made statements that are less than factual; be they rumor or total fantasy; you should apologize.
If you, wanting to make the point things in MX were less than ideal; and feeling that the reality isn't quite enough to explain how unhappy you were with being there; and so you have built a story more in line with how you felt, than with reality - Then you need to admit this and apologize.
But *if* what you say is true, you are obligated to tell someone and be precise enough to be believed. There is nothing ISAC or anyone can do about rumors on Fornits from anonymous sources. If you aren't willing to do this, one has to wonder why?
And I do personally feel it is worth noting the MX officals may have dicided they didn't want the gringo school in their country; But they were very clear, that in the case of ALA, there were no alligations of abuse or humnan rights violations.
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I suppose that depends on your definition of abuse and or neglect and human rights and the Mexican authorities were notified as well as the American Consulate.
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IT'S EASY: JUST GO THERE (CHAPALIA) AND ASK THE PEOPLE....EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN KNOW THIS: THEY HAVE BIG PROBLEMS WITH ALL KIND OF AUTHORITIES AND LANDLORD (LANDLADY). THE DIRECTOR DOESN'T GO THERE 'CAUSE THE POLICE IS LOOKING FOR HIM. TOO SAD, AND EVERYTHING "IN JESUS NAME".... BAH! ::noway::
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And I do personally feel it is worth noting the MX officals may have dicided they didn't want the gringo school in their country; But they were very clear, that in the case of ALA, there were no alligations of abuse or humnan rights violations.
They said that during the raid their human rigths were not violated, and what happend inside is the reason the mx officials closed down the operation....
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"It is important to stress that none of the raids involved violence, and the human rights and personal safety of the youths were fully respected," the Interior Department press statement said.............................
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I think we are reading the same phrase and understanding something different.
Do you really think the MX folks are simply stating *They* didn't go in with guns blazing, or what? That *They* didn't beat up the kids?
I think it is a clear statment that the school wasn't closed Because of abuse or rights violations.
My understanding of events is they simply arrived and announced the school must leave; either volentarily, or by deportation. Didn't ask to see anything or even consint to look at the visas.
My personal feeling is, places like Casa left such a bad impression, they dicided to clean out all American founded schools. A Why take chances approach. Or maybe, they feel it will be easier to keep programs like Casa out if none are allowed.
Thats my take on it.
I am Sure ther will be a lot of disagreement. . .
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Hey Buzzkill is that you Karen? Are you still the family coordinator for ALA?
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So is ALA forever closed?
If so kismet has concured.
Yes we were low on stuff like toilet paper,
medical assistance, and when we asked for medical assistance they took weeks to a month to finally react. Even if the sickness was terribly dangerous. I was there when the federalis took a teacher Marie, a student named Steve, Lee, Matt, and Josh were tooken to Mexican Jail. I was split up with a group of five in a different house formed into two different PPC's. House 1 the original with 9 students, then House 2 with 5. Meanwhile when federalis were looking for visa's House 2 was given order to hide in the back of the house where they couldnt see us. They stayed in that jail for almost a week and were transported by bus to a different location. Roger claims since Matt's dad was a big man of law he helped out to get custody back into the programs hands then sent them to Utah. All of them were sent home except for Josh and Matt. Josh was sent back to Mexico in Ajijic. MAtt stayed in Utah. The boys moved around into three different homes as the population started growing. When in Talachichilco things were alright then until the good american staff were either fired or bailed. At first we had service role for example "Wheaties Man" (The Chef) This role would cook breakfast and luch. But there was a hired cook that cooked dinner. Her name was Concha. She also had her daughter assist her. When the cooks were sick they would still cook. Finally when they thought they were getting everything settled they purchased property dor a school where we could go do school work. Then they hired "professional cooks" that cooked breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The kitchen they cooked in was not sanitary. Where we ate in the cafeteria was always a swarm of flies. Sometimes we would find a fly in our hot suace or soup etc. People started getting really sick. When terribly sick they would make the sick ones sleep on the office instead of letting them rest in their beds. Sometimes there was over 7 people sick that would lounge in the office. No body hardly ever did there school work. There was no safe place for any important items, like school work or neccesities regarding hygiene would end up missing. My labtop with a book I was writing on it was stolen, and never returned. Lots of people that went to this program would agree with what I'm saying 95% of the students left with not even half of thier belongings that went through inventory were returned home. Anywayz way to much to say.
Gotta go!
Odios,
Friend :wave:
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Are you sure? I think you must tell the parents all this.... :tup:
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Ryan, I am sure that ALA will not be shut down permanently. People in this industry are business people and know how to circumvent laws both in and out of htis country. I am very glad that you are speaking out and tell people what it was like there. It is very important that people know exactly how it is there. I believe you and your story confirms what I have been told by another person who had been there. I believe you and would encourage you to continue to speak out. I look forward to reading more of your posts and hope that your life is moving forward. Please let me know how you are doing and what is going on with your life. You have many choices now and i hope your life will be better for you.
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On 2004-12-13 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ah. It all becomes clear. The rants about "honor thy mother" are coming from...the adoptive mother.
Lot's daughters were mothers, too. That didn't make them particularly nice people.
Timoclea
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No, I am not.
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Ok, so you are not the mom but we figured out who you are and you have listened to the ranting and ravings of a woman who is a few bricks shy of a load and if you are who I think you are you have a child there at ALA.
Was she taken out of there in the raid? I hope she is doing well.
Amada is doing extremely well since she has come home to a loving environment and has been removed from people who still find it necessary to slander her and keep HER survivor benefits from her deceased father. It almost appears as if the money has always been more important than what would have been best for the child but then again it doesn't matter anymore she doesn't have to deal with them anymore and she will be receiving her benefits starting in January.
I wonder what they did with the money (A sizable chunk in the thousands and they are wealthy) since august when she came to live with us. Gee I guess they just kept it or spent it. HMMMMM such good Christians.
I am sorry that you have been deceived by this woman and continues to slander this child unmercifully.
I hope your daughter is well.
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Its not OK to hold the benifits.
The benifits must go to whom ever the child is living with to be used for her care and or education. Whoever she is residing with should be the designated payee. Keep in mind, you will have to account for how the money is saved or spent and hefty penilties are attached to any kind of fraud. If you are her ligitimet gaurdian, call soc sec and explain the situation to them.
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On 2004-12-31 07:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok, so you are not the mom but we figured out who you are and you have listened to the ranting and ravings of a woman who is a few bricks shy of a load and if you are who I think you are you have a child there at ALA.
Was she taken out of there in the raid? I hope she is doing well.
Amada is doing extremely well since she has come home to a loving environment and has been removed from people who still find it necessary to slander her and keep HER survivor benefits from her deceased father. It almost appears as if the money has always been more important than what would have been best for the child but then again it doesn't matter anymore she doesn't have to deal with them anymore and she will be receiving her benefits starting in January.
I wonder what they did with the money (A sizable chunk in the thousands and they are wealthy) since august when she came to live with us. Gee I guess they just kept it or spent it. HMMMMM such good Christians.
I am sorry that you have been deceived by this woman and continues to slander this child unmercifully.
I hope your daughter is well."
Actually Paige, I am connected through a family friend who has a granddaughter in the program. I have never met Amanda's parents. However, I do feel badly for them, seeing as they have been bad mouthed so unmercifully by you and the others.
And now, seeing that Amanda has run away from you, I feel badly for you as well. How you must hurt. You accused her parents of such terribel things and have supported her outright rebellion of them. Now you are on the receiving end of it. I truly feel sorry for you.
I have been praying for you. While I don't agree with your interferring with their parental rights, I am sure you did what you did because you love her and thought you were helping her.
You weren't. You were enabling her. She has now turned on you. How disappointing, to have poured your heart and soul into helping her and broadcasting to the world how happy she was with you, only to get slapped in the face by her taking off on you as well.
At this point, it seems evident, you owe her parents an appology. You did everything differently, and ended up with the same results. You have said Amanda is doing extremely well since she came home to a loving environment. What happened? If her parents are the horrible people you have painted them to be, then what does that say of you?
Paige, don't take it personally. It isn't you. It wasn't her parents. It is her. She continues to make bad choices. Unfortuantely, it would appear that she is going to have to hit rock bottom before she gets better.
You encouraged her rebellion. I guess she was a good student.
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On 2005-01-07 17:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
Actually Paige, I am connected through a family friend who has a granddaughter in the program. I have never met Amanda's parents.
So then everything you think you know about these Texans comes to you through a friend of a relative of a parent who hasn't had any unmonitored contact w/ the kid lately. And this kid may or may not know Amanda if she were to walk up to her on the street and give her a big old kiss on the face, but certainly wouldn't be at liberty to tell anybody if she thought Amanda and Paige were dead on correct in their assessment of the parents and the program.
Is that about accurate?
:roll:
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Amanda is fine. She did not run away and again you are just showing your lack of knowledge.
Amanda came to me and told me her plans to move out and get an apartment with a friend of hers. I was not thrilled with this but could not talk her out of it. She has moved out. She did not run, she was not taken in the middle of the night by anyone and believe it or not she has a job and is doing well with her job.
I had dinner with her the other night and she is fine. Would I prefer for her to be here with her brother and I - Yes but at least we can see her and talk to her whenever we want to. If you will remember she was not aloud to spend time with her brother or talk to anyone else in the family so this is an improvement and she is not in that God forsaken place called the ALA with all of those fruitcakes.
She is almost 18 and looking to make her own way. Will she make mistakes - probably. I still love her and she is still a member of my family. Children do grow up and leave home. I am sorry if you have been misled. We are all fine.
By the way did you know that the Bomba's (the directors of the ALA Mexico facility are listed as fugitives in Mexico? I will try to post the article from the newspaper in Guadalajara.
Get a life and stop bashing a kid you know nothing of. And thank you for your prayers.
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If I was Amanda, I might want to move out on my own just to prove to myself that I *could*.
Being a prisoner is traumatic. There has to be the desire, afterwards, to prove to yourself that you're truly free.
She has a job, she's supporting herself, and she's still in contact with Paige and her brother.
She's nearly 18.
"Run off" is melodramatic.
We're not talking about a kid living on park benches and whoring in the streets for money to buy crack.
We're talking about a young lady working at a respectable, legal job and paying her own bills and paying her own way in society as a responsible young adult.
Maybe the reason she wanted to move out is that it will be more difficult for her parents to kidnap her again if she gets emancipated minor status? Who knows? Certainly if she has a job and an apartment and is paying her own bills, her adoptive parents' legal situation gets *much* more tenuous if they try to reexert control over her.
A young lady getting a job and living under her own roof paying her own way is only a "problem" for people that live in lala land.
Will she need to go back and get her GED and pick her education back up at the local junior college later? Certainly. But she won't be the first person to successfully do that.
In all probability, she's a little metaphorically claustrophobic about any situation that even feels remotely like confinement right now, and no wonder.
She's spreading her wings and proving to herself that she's adult and free. It's normal and healthy.
Graduating and *then* moving out would probably have been better, but under the circumstances, given what she's been through, I don't blame her a bit.
My god, what kind of nutter do you have to be to call a girl who's nearly 18, with an apartment, and a job, who's maintaining ties to her brother and a responsible adult a "runaway."
It's medieval! It's like those jihad johnies who expect a girl to go meekly from father's roof to husband's roof.
She's not breaking any laws, she's not being a drain on society, she's just being independent---and at about the right age to do so. For God's sake give the girl a break!
TimocleaInstead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
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If I were Amanda, I might just need a little space from anybody who had an opinion on the matter.
I'm guessing she'll fall on her face in a big way, pick herself up, dust herself off and move on and not complain to anyone. This may happen repeatedly, as it usually does. But, if she has half the discretion I think she does, she'll hold her cards close and come through just fine.
Go Amanda! You have a good many fans!
He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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::jawdrop:: By the way did you know that the Bomba's (the directors of the ALA Mexico facility are listed as fugitives in Mexico? I will try to post the article from the newspaper in Guadalajara.
Get a life and stop bashing a kid you know nothing of. And thank you for your prayers.
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In your post you said that basically her life will be crap if she dosen't stop doing what she is doing. What exactly is it that she is doing??? Getting away from people that are trying to control and change her and break her spirit? I am a former "bad teen" as some like to put it. I am now 35 years old and can tell you that when it is time to stop playing the games and doing whatever it is that you are doing as a teen, you will stop. I have a wonderful husband, 2 beautiful sons and a life that I was once told that I would NEVER have. People in Sarasota looked down on me, they tried to put me in LIFE until I made my parents see what they did there. I ended up in Palms hospital. I was told that I was a bad kid, put on drugs, had all outside contact taken away from me, etc... obviously not the HELL that alot of my friends that ended up in LIFE went through.
Anyway, didn't mean to ramble, but I want to say that Amanda will straighten up when the time is right (and who's to say that there is anything wrong with her?). God gives each and every one of us a sense of discernment and when we realize that we have this gift, we start to use it. So to Amanda I say, take care of you, you are the only one that can. And never let them take you down! You will always look back and think that there were things that you did that you probably should not have done, but everything that we do in life makes us stronger.
Good Luck!
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well said
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On 2005-01-11 16:03:00, Paige wrote:
"Amanda is fine. She did not run away and again you are just showing your lack of knowledge.
Amanda came to me and told me her plans to move out and get an apartment with a friend of hers. I was not thrilled with this but could not talk her out of it. She has moved out. She did not run, she was not taken in the middle of the night by anyone and believe it or not she has a job and is doing well with her job.
I had dinner with her the other night and she is fine. Would I prefer for her to be here with her brother and I - Yes but at least we can see her and talk to her whenever we want to. If you will remember she was not aloud to spend time with her brother or talk to anyone else in the family so this is an improvement and she is not in that God forsaken place called the ALA with all of those fruitcakes.
She is almost 18 and looking to make her own way. Will she make mistakes - probably. I still love her and she is still a member of my family. Children do grow up and leave home. I am sorry if you have been misled. We are all fine.
By the way did you know that the Bomba's (the directors of the ALA Mexico facility are listed as fugitives in Mexico? I will try to post the article from the newspaper in Guadalajara.
Get a life and stop bashing a kid you know nothing of. And thank you for your prayers.
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Just because you say it, doesn't make it so. You and I both know you are worried about the legal ramifications of her running from you. If you have any sense at all, you'd have to be worried. Afterall, you are one of the ones behind kidnapping her.
You can fool most of the people, most of the time, as evidenced by your support (something you appear to have in common with the looser of the Presidential race), but you cannot fool those who really know what is going on.
As far as staff members of ALA, your bringing that up is nothing more than a tactic to deflect the heat from yourself.
I think what this whole drama boils down to, is you are jealous of her family, of which you are really not a part of.
I went to ALA when it was in Mexico. I saw her in Mexico. Her mom came down to visit her, contrary to the trash you posted about her not doing so.
I don't ever expect you to admit it to me, or anyone else, especially yourself, but, it is evident, you are jealous.
Your rantings sound like that of some grade school girl. That is a normal deflection. Rather than deal with your own insecurities and relationship voids, it is easier for you to pick apart others.
The lot of you sound like play ground bullies. When others don't agree with you, you call names and gang up on those who don't agree with you. Very sad indeed.
Bottom line, what you still have not grasped, is the fact that YOU ARE NOT THE PARENT!!!! It was not your right to interfere with the parents and their choice of how they dealt with THEIR daughter. It would appear that you have never had any of your own children. I am willing to bet that you aren't in a stable relationship either. (Its called deductive reasoning).
I feel sorry for you. It is evident there is no joy in your life. You appear to be a miserable person. I truly feel sorry for you. Not only have you deceived others through your drama, but you have deceived yourself into believing that your actions are acceptable. They are not.
I am willing to bet her family has never done anything to harm you. You are just jealous. And you don't care who you hurt, because it is all about you.
Did you ever stop to think how your actions have negatively impacted many people? Do you even care how much your actions have caused others to be hurt? Can you respond to that without using the word "I"?
It is not all about you. You have made numerous references about the brother. Do you have any feelings for the sisters? Again, do you care about anyone but yourself?
I didn't expect that you would be a big enough person to admit you were wrong. She ran from you. You can call it what you want, but she ran.
Before you get all bent out of shape, remember, you started this whole drama. Maybe next time you will stop and think before airing your dirty laundry in a public forum.
The more you try to defend her and defend your illegal actions, the worse you make yourself look. Anyone with half a brain can see through it all.
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it is hard to say but i love the people who sent me to mexico too because i would not be as strong as i am w/ out going through all the shit i have been through. i know i can deal with anything now.I know it is going to be okay and i will make it all work.
God is good and has helped me.
:smile: So anyway this is the Update on Amanda's life hope you enjoyed it! :smile:
:wave: Amanda
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On 2005-01-19 19:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-01-11 16:03:00, Paige wrote:
"Amanda is fine. She did not run away and again you are just showing your lack of knowledge.
Amanda came to me and told me her plans to move out and get an apartment with a friend of hers. I was not thrilled with this but could not talk her out of it. She has moved out. She did not run, she was not taken in the middle of the night by anyone and believe it or not she has a job and is doing well with her job.
I had dinner with her the other night and she is fine. Would I prefer for her to be here with her brother and I - Yes but at least we can see her and talk to her whenever we want to. If you will remember she was not aloud to spend time with her brother or talk to anyone else in the family so this is an improvement and she is not in that God forsaken place called the ALA with all of those fruitcakes.
She is almost 18 and looking to make her own way. Will she make mistakes - probably. I still love her and she is still a member of my family. Children do grow up and leave home. I am sorry if you have been misled. We are all fine.
By the way did you know that the Bomba's (the directors of the ALA Mexico facility are listed as fugitives in Mexico? I will try to post the article from the newspaper in Guadalajara.
Get a life and stop bashing a kid you know nothing of. And thank you for your prayers.
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Just because you say it, doesn't make it so. You and I both know you are worried about the legal ramifications of her running from you. If you have any sense at all, you'd have to be worried. Afterall, you are one of the ones behind kidnapping her.
You can fool most of the people, most of the time, as evidenced by your support (something you appear to have in common with the looser of the Presidential race), but you cannot fool those who really know what is going on.
As far as staff members of ALA, your bringing that up is nothing more than a tactic to deflect the heat from yourself.
I think what this whole drama boils down to, is you are jealous of her family, of which you are really not a part of.
I went to ALA when it was in Mexico. I saw her in Mexico. Her mom came down to visit her, contrary to the trash you posted about her not doing so.
I don't ever expect you to admit it to me, or anyone else, especially yourself, but, it is evident, you are jealous.
Your rantings sound like that of some grade school girl. That is a normal deflection. Rather than deal with your own insecurities and relationship voids, it is easier for you to pick apart others.
The lot of you sound like play ground bullies. When others don't agree with you, you call names and gang up on those who don't agree with you. Very sad indeed.
Bottom line, what you still have not grasped, is the fact that YOU ARE NOT THE PARENT!!!! It was not your right to interfere with the parents and their choice of how they dealt with THEIR daughter. It would appear that you have never had any of your own children. I am willing to bet that you aren't in a stable relationship either. (Its called deductive reasoning).
I feel sorry for you. It is evident there is no joy in your life. You appear to be a miserable person. I truly feel sorry for you. Not only have you deceived others through your drama, but you have deceived yourself into believing that your actions are acceptable. They are not.
I am willing to bet her family has never done anything to harm you. You are just jealous. And you don't care who you hurt, because it is all about you.
Did you ever stop to think how your actions have negatively impacted many people? Do you even care how much your actions have caused others to be hurt? Can you respond to that without using the word "I"?
It is not all about you. You have made numerous references about the brother. Do you have any feelings for the sisters? Again, do you care about anyone but yourself?
I didn't expect that you would be a big enough person to admit you were wrong. She ran from you. You can call it what you want, but she ran.
Before you get all bent out of shape, remember, you started this whole drama. Maybe next time you will stop and think before airing your dirty laundry in a public forum.
The more you try to defend her and defend your illegal actions, the worse you make yourself look. Anyone with half a brain can see through it all.
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Amanda is a grown woman, she is supporting herself, and she is continuing her education.
Children grow up and move out and get jobs and pay their own bills and make their own decisions.
Get over it already.
You are living proof of one of the things I've said is wrong with program parents---a lot of what you people get your panties in a twist about in these kids are just signs that the kid is growing up and leaving the nest and going to be making his/her own decisions---and you folks are for some reason incapable of dealing with a kid growing up into a new adult and moving out to have a life.
I don't know what in the hell is wrong with you, and at this point, I don't much care, but grow up and get over it.
Timoclea
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This is so sad. Amanda is doing fine on her own and is clearly demonstrating the lack of a need of ANY program - shes not dead, insane, or in jail - shes obeying the law, has a job, can take care of herself, and isnt doing drugs, and shes probably too busy to get a boyfriend - so pretty much every program maniac's accusations fall on their face under the weight of reality.
Then on top of that all they can cling to is she is 'rebelling' against some god (The one I speak to doesnt know what they're talking about) her parents (who shipped her off to that program in the first place instead of raising her, and shes obviously doing so well now its unnecessary) or, the program itself.
This is so fucking amusing. Shes doing GREAT *DESPITE* everything, and you think she should go back. Trying to cling to something for control of her life when she neither needs it nor wants it - and only for the sake of control - is terrible and pathetic.
Shes more grown up than they are. And the only thing God's doing is laughing.A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit.
-- In the August 1993 issue, page 9, of PS magazine, the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance
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And I must say... The most recent post by Amanda shows great improvement in her academic grammar and composition skills!
Not to be pedantic here, but it's true that a working knowledge of standard English composition goes a long way to making one's position clear.
Way to go, Amanda!
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Thank you very much for the encouraging words!
thanks
Amanda
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quit lying Amanda
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Just because you say it, doesn't make it so. You and I both know you are worried about the legal ramifications of her running from you. If you have any sense at all, you'd have to be worried. Afterall, you are one of the ones behind kidnapping her.
You can fool most of the people, most of the time, as evidenced by your support (something you appear to have in common with the looser of the Presidential race), but you cannot fool those who really know what is going on.
As far as staff members of ALA, your bringing that up is nothing more than a tactic to deflect the heat from yourself.
I think what this whole drama boils down to, is you are jealous of her family, of which you are really not a part of.
I went to ALA when it was in Mexico. I saw her in Mexico. Her mom came down to visit her, contrary to the trash you posted about her not doing so.
I don't ever expect you to admit it to me, or anyone else, especially yourself, but, it is evident, you are jealous.
Your rantings sound like that of some grade school girl. That is a normal deflection. Rather than deal with your own insecurities and relationship voids, it is easier for you to pick apart others.
The lot of you sound like play ground bullies. When others don't agree with you, you call names and gang up on those who don't agree with you. Very sad indeed.
Bottom line, what you still have not grasped, is the fact that YOU ARE NOT THE PARENT!!!! It was not your right to interfere with the parents and their choice of how they dealt with THEIR daughter. It would appear that you have never had any of your own children. I am willing to bet that you aren't in a stable relationship either. (Its called deductive reasoning).
I feel sorry for you. It is evident there is no joy in your life. You appear to be a miserable person. I truly feel sorry for you. Not only have you deceived others through your drama, but you have deceived yourself into believing that your actions are acceptable. They are not.
I am willing to bet her family has never done anything to harm you. You are just jealous. And you don't care who you hurt, because it is all about you.
Did you ever stop to think how your actions have negatively impacted many people? Do you even care how much your actions have caused others to be hurt? Can you respond to that without using the word "I"?
It is not all about you. You have made numerous references about the brother. Do you have any feelings for the sisters? Again, do you care about anyone but yourself?
I didn't expect that you would be a big enough person to admit you were wrong. She ran from you. You can call it what you want, but she ran.
Before you get all bent out of shape, remember, you started this whole drama. Maybe next time you will stop and think before airing your dirty laundry in a public forum.
The more you try to defend her and defend your illegal actions, the worse you make yourself look. Anyone with half a brain can see through it all.
:wstupid: (Craig´s words)
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On 2005-01-24 15:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"quit lying Amanda"
Oh blank you ya blankin' moron and quit harrassing and cyber-stalking this young woman who is clearly paying her own bills and living up to her own responsibilities in society in a productive and legal way.
You're just jealous because she's more a mature adult than *you* are, no matter how old you are. Obviously.
Timoclea
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On 2005-01-24 15:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"quit lying Amanda"
:roll:
Quit being stupid, baghead.I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-01-24 18:54 ]
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Knock it off church lady.
You remind me of the catholic grandmother in YaYa Sisterhood who fucked up two generations.
Haven't seen it? Check it out. Pay close attention. It could give you some insight into how rabid you are.
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Oh, I loved that movie!
Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? ... If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
-- Patrick Henry
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Timoclea, you need to check your private messages and forward them to Ginger.
Geeez that woman who won't identify herself is really hung up on being mad at me. Go for it dear, it doesn't do anything and has no effect on anyone except to get you all bent out of shape but I guess that is fun for you and if you have nothing better to do but rag on me go ahead.
But bottom line is that it is over maam go on with your life, you need to find something else to do. Try somethng a bit more positive, maybe you can help someone who needs help - you can do nothing here except keep spewing venom that has no effects on anyone.
Paige