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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 08, 2004, 07:07:00 PM
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:flame: I am a mother of a son I sent to Casa...I was desperate but I had no intention of sending my child into all the abuse and lack of personal care that they used as punishment. He turned 18 at CASA...went to PV...was there three weeks and opted to leave because he said he, "couldn't take it anymore." He came home with his war stories...sitting in "worksheet" day after day...this leads you to believe that they are either studying or doing something useful with their time... what a crock of SHIT! For days on end they made him sit in an upright position ( knowing he had scoloisis) with feet flat on the floor, hands on knees with no back support just staring at a blank wall
He was home for three weeks and he went crazy... he is now serving time in county jail for various misconducts. I blame CASA for this... what band wagon can I jump on for a law suit? Are any parents pursuing this? I hope they all burn in hell for what they did to my child. Would like to hear from anyone.
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E-mail me privately at Jeff_Berryman@excite.com
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Consider the possibility of PTSD.
Its often a factor for these kids and therapy can help.
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Did you ever investigate Casa By the Sea prior to sending your son there? These programs uses extremely abusive techniques to change and reprogram minds. No professional organizations approve of these methods. Yet paretns subject their children to these hell holes in some sort of desparate attempt to gain control.
Why did you send him there in the first place. And when did you conduct an investigation or internet search? After the fact? When you see all of the horror stories from Casa By the Sea - you need to realize that some of the stories must be true. People just don't vent constantly when nothing disturbed them.... Every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid."
--Alexander Hamilton
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Cherish,
I just want to point out how hard conducting and internet investgation can be.
When I tried to look up wwasp, all I got was their web sites and Lon. Being ignorant, I compleatly missunderstood what that ment.
I had no clue any of this was out here until a kid posted on the BBS a bunch of links to sites like this. I just happened to be on the board when he posted and did a quick copy and paste so I could look them over. They were deleted within a few minutes.
I think these sites do pop up easier now than then, but still, if you don't know what to look for it could be hard to find them.
As for calling the local officals in the communitee - they are supportive.
The long list of referances they hand out are all very positive.
I think most parents go into this thinking they have finely found an answer to prayer. Most are very worried about kids they do love and they are trying to help.
The whole thing is very evil and insideious.
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On 2004-10-08 18:16:00, Jeff_Berryman wrote:
"E-mail me privately at http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com (http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com)
BEWARE :scared:
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Enough with this WWASPish garbage, anon. It won't work here.
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I think that it is a good thing that this person actually did some real looking. And what did they find. A site that actually supports the program. When I read almost all of the postings on this site, I begin to think that I must be the only one out there. But I am wrong. And even if I was, I wouldn't stop what I am trying to do. I believe in the program, I believe in what it does for people. I know that it helped me. I know that it helped hundreds of others that are still there, graduated before me, or with me. I am not in love with the program. And in no way do I agree with all of it. But I do have an amazing amount of confidence in its ability to help kids change their lives.
If you are against the program, that is fine with me. In no way did I ever hope that everyone would side with me. But I ask that you at least look into finding more of these sights that do shed a more positive light on the program. It can't hurt.
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*** When I read almost all of the postings on this site, I begin to think that I must be the only one out there. But I am wrong. And even if I was, I wouldn't stop what I am trying to do.
What would that be sweetie? What's your agenda?
You need to understand that "the" program you keep talking about is only one of hundreds. WWASP is not the only game in town and they are all more alike than different.
Another thing you need to understand is that this is a survivor site. We are not allowed on program boards- they are censored. So new parents can not get both sides. The industry overall is deceptive and abusive by its very nature. You are young, and don't yet realize that there are other ways to 'help' and mend a relationship with your child.
***If you are against the program, that is fine with me. In no way did I ever hope that everyone would side with me. But I ask that you at least look into finding more of these sights that do shed a more positive light on the program. It can't hurt.
I suggest that parents read this thread if they want to learn more about the inner workings of your program. A parent should notice how many times a direct question was avoided.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 65&forum=9 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3865&forum=9)
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On 2004-10-12 05:27:00, Deborah wrote:
We are not allowed on program boards- they are censored. So new parents can not get both sides.
Brown, welcome.
Deborah's right, though. I've got a stack of letters from WWASP and other programs demanding that I either shut down this site or censor anything unflattering about their program. Not only do they censor their own sites, they try pretty hard to bully and threaten the rest of the world into acting as their personal intellectual bodyguards. Fortunately for me and the people who use this site, the law is fairly well established and solidly on our side.
I don't make this a slam site. I simply don't censor it. Anyone can say whatever they want to here. It just happens that, without any tampering, the prevailing opinion on Synanon based programs is rather negative.
Don't discount the experience of others. When I first got out of Straight, they were under investigation by the state child welfare authority. They asked me to testify and I declined because I didn't view what I'd seen and experienced as abusive. I actually thought it was my fault when I got thrown to the floor and sat on for a few hours. After all, if I didn't want that to happen, I could have just lied like they wanted me to and said I was a drug addict in need of treatment.
Indeed, it "works" as long as you work it. I know people who, 30 years later, continue to believe. As long as they keep on playing the game, going to meetings, "relapsing" and starting again, the Program keeps on working, again and again and again.
It's sad, though, that these people live their whole lives viewing themselves as primally flawed, bad people in need of extrodinary measures to live "normal" lives. For the most part, they're not. I think it's the Program that keeps tripping them up.
If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
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YES I THINK THE ALL SHOULD BURN IN HELL. I WAS THERE FOR TWO MONTH AND IT WAS THE WORST THING IN MY LIFE......
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You need to go to ISAC with your testimony and/or leave contact information. specifics help.
And yeah, sure Brown, it can very well make them behave and work and be chaste and pay their taxes and vote republican, sure, but at what cost?
Torture and brainwashing 'work', so to speak, but the cost is far too high. There is no learning, love, help, or epiphanies to be found. Only needless suffering, and problems down the road with relationships with others, and even with themselves. A program that prevents friendships from forming, segregates the sexes and punishes masturbation isn't going to help you too much in the real world. It also tends to make you have a hard time standing up for yourself or keeping things to yourself instead of standing up to 'authority' and keeping your business private. Domination and Disclosure works for a dictatorship, but not in a free nation.
They simply break you, and make you do as you're told, and believe in what they say because if you don't you don't ever leave. So you either fall in line, or just act like it. Nothing more.
I'm sure you do BELIEVE, and I'm sure you think you need to spend tens of thousands of dollars to have a kid warehoused, destroyed, beat down and broken to 'fix' problems like not growing up fast enough for their parents, not being everything their parent wants them to be, being gay, bad grades, or being depressed, sure, but I do not and I doubt an objective analysis by professionals would side with you either.It is criminal to steal a purse. It is daring to steal a fortune. It is a mark of greatness to steal a crown. The blame diminishes as the guilt increases
--Schiller (1759-1805)
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This is really nuts, you guys talk about cults but the only real cult is this board and the maybe 50 people that post against these programs and where are the rhousands that have gone through parents and kids? where are ther complaining. The kid that sits in worksheets sits there because he or she does not want to work, one of the reasond they are there. The parent should only blame herself that her kid is in jail.You need to find out why your kid is hurting inside not blame a program you sent him to. The one that cares
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Yeah, well, when I sent a xmas package to a friend stuck in one of those places, it turned out the guy working at the UPS store had been sent to one by his parents when he was a teen. Said he was just your normal pain in the butt teen and it didn't help him a bit. It just---for a whole lot of money----got him out of his parents' hair until he was legally adult and could get away from them anyway.
Just because someone who got sent away isn't on here doesn't mean they agree with your program crap.
Stop and smell the ROSES.
Reform. Oversight. Safeguards. Enforcement. Sunshine.
Timoclea
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On 2004-10-24 23:26:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
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the sexes and punishes masturbation isn't going to (1759-1805)
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what is the punishment if you are caught masturbating?How isnt punishing masturbate going to help?
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This was a fun thread in which we discussed masturbation in WWASP facilities:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... t=20&Sort= (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=4154&forum=9&start=20&Sort=)
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I smell allot of crap is what i smell.
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On 2004-10-26 05:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I smell allot of crap is what i smell.
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Really? Then you probably need to check out whatever is on your upper lip. It might be a good time to wash the...er...egg off your face.
Timoclea
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On 2004-10-26 05:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I smell allot of crap is what i smell.
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Or for that matter, perhaps you need to evaluate whether the crap right underneath your nose is going into your mouth, coming out of it, or both.
Timoclea
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Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Where there is shit... well, there's gotta be something making it. :lol: A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
--Frank Zappa
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As i said all the same people posting like a little click, The fact is there are not even 50 of you here, i was wrong to give you that many.
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::boohoo:: ::boohoo::
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You should play the violin for yourself
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On 2004-10-26 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As i said all the same people posting like a little click, The fact is there are not even 50 of you here, i was wrong to give you that many."
That's "clique" you semiliterate moron.
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Yuo don't need to be a jerk anon, so you're french and a jerk. You got the meaning and you don'thave but maybe 30 people on your side.
So who is the moron? Dreamer!
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On 2004-10-26 15:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yuo don't need to be a jerk anon, so you're french and a jerk. You got the meaning and you don'thave but maybe 30 people on your side.
So who is the moron? Dreamer!"
Actually, nobody was being a jerk until *you* started being one. Sure, I'm a dreamer. I also monitor this forum on behalf of an informal group of some size (I don't even know how many lurkers beyond the active participants) who all believe the industry needs serious reform. That includes a parent who did have to put her child in residential treatment, thought the quality of care was definitely problematical, and would like other parents to have better quality of care for *their* actively self-injurious children.
I weed through the garbage (like your program cheerleading) and pass on the actual bits of news, like closings, investigations, deaths, court cases, etc.
Fornits is actually the best forum I've found on the web for up-to-date comprehensive news on the industry as that news breaks.
Unfortunately, the thing that makes Fornits so good--that anyone can post anything--also means that most of the people interested in reforming the industry don't have time to weed through all the cruft for the tidbits of real news. So I do that for them.
But I can tell already that you're not going to believe in a groundswell of support for reform until you actually see improvements in Reform, Oversight, Safeguards, Enforcement, and Sunshine for yourself.
Maybe you should ask yourself why you're so dead set against improved quality of care for teen residential treatment?
Maybe people reading your postings should ask themselves the same question.
The axe *I* have to grind I've been completely open and upfront about.
What axe do *you* have to grind? And why haven't you been as forthcoming about it?
If I was just reading this thread instead of participating in it, I'd sure be asking myself those questions.
Timoclea
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Deborah,
With all respect, I'd like to point out that your post--especially your use of the term "sweetie,"--is pretty condescending to Brown. It's a common theme: the kids who choose to benefit from the programs are too young or dumb or brainwashed to understand how terribly they've been abused. The parents are too traumatized or irresponsible to make decisions for their children's health and welfare.
My experience? The students at our program--Spring Creek--leave here empowered to make the changes THEY want---not the program, not their parents, not their friends, and not strangers on a forum. They leave with an understanding that in the end, they are absolutely capable of determining the direction of their lives. How many adults never understand that?
Brown, way to go. Your honesty and insight are powerful.
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"My experience? The students at our program--Spring Creek--leave here empowered to make the changes THEY want---not the program, not their parents, not their friends, and not strangers on a forum. They leave with an understanding that in the end, they are absolutely capable of determining the direction of their lives. How many adults never understand that?"
:eek: DOES THIS INCLUDE $5 AND A TRIP TO THE NEAREST HOMELESS SHELTER?
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So... being locked up, dominated, terrorized, thrown in bullshit seminars, brutalized with 'restraint' and treated like crap somehow magically makes them these self-motivated, confident, intelligent, independant go-getter adults? hah!
The only thing these programs 'teach' is how to be a slave to authority What is this new loyalty? It is, above all, conformity. It is the uncritical and unquestioning acceptance of America as it is. It rejects inquiry into the race question or socialized medicine or public housing, regards as heinous any challenge to what is called the system of private enterprise, identifying that system with Americanism. It abandons evolution, repudiates the once popular concept of progress, and regards America as a finished product, perfect and complete. The concept of loyalty as conformity is a false one. It is narrow and restrictive, denies freedom of thought and conscience... What do men know of loyalty who make a mockery of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights?
Henry Steele Commager, 1947
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On 2004-10-26 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As i said all the same people posting like a little click, The fact is there are not even 50 of you here, i was wrong to give you that many."
So which facility were/are you involved with, anon? I'm just curious as that error (click = clique) was carried, intact, from The Seed to Straight to KIDS, LIFE and possibly other programs. Were you in any of those? The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright