Post by: nicoleesther on October 04, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
Come on people! How can you affiliate yourselves with a party that empowers Mel Sembler, his money, and his bought Ambassadorship. After MY Straight experience I vowed to help the party that will try to disempower these fascist ASSHOLES! :tup:
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Post by: thepatriot on October 04, 2004, 04:15:00 PM
campaign headquarters and inform them of Sembler, Straight and the war on drugs....he doesn't give a rats ass just like the rest of them. Kerry will be nothing more than a puppet for the UN, and you think we have problems now? And to say the entire repub party endorsed Straight is a joke, how many of them do you think even know anything about it? Kerry has been a Senator for 20 years, surely he would know some of Bush's and Semblers involvement with Straight especially during a election. Do you hear him speaking up? No! he doesnt give a shit about you being in Straight or anybody else, All I am saying is that he is no different or better than Bush, The Dems had four years to find a candidate and Kerry is all they have, thats a shame a big fucking shame. Fact of the matter is vote for who you wan't but they are two pretty pathetic choices and as far as integrity goes I think you can throw that argument out for both of them.
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Post by: PerfectStraightling on October 04, 2004, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: nicoleesther on October 04, 2004, 06:51:00 PM
Kerry is not interested with our cause right now because he is just trying to get in the White House. Right now my cause is to get Bush and his administration booted back to Texas. Once Bush is out OUR CAUSE is much more likely to be heard!!!!
This is one of the MOST important Elections EVER! Not only for Our Cause but for future policies that will affect kids!
Nicole
Post by: Antigen on October 04, 2004, 07:41:00 PM
Kerry will probably give over more of our soverignty to the UN. But bush will just as likely give over more of our soverignty to the Carlyle Group and the rest of the military/prison industrial complex. Kerry is likely to encourage more public school spending on ever more senseless, invasive programs (including coerced psyche evaluation and treatment) while Büsh is more likely to encourage things like vouchers and faith-based programs (including Straight-like programs).
Six of these, half dozen of the other.
One important difference that I've seen mentioned in discussion lists is in how either one will go about appointing federal judges. Just browse federal court rulings in recent years then check to see whether a Dempublican or a Republicrat president appointed the judge writing the opinion.
Another important distinction is in the balance of power inside the beltway. Right now, we have a Republicrat majority in Congress. That's one reason why Büsh has been able to do so much damage; he has a guaranteed rubber stamp for almost anything he wants.
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Post by: Don Smith on October 04, 2004, 08:15:00 PM
All kidding aside, people have to vote their beliefs and I just can't get on board with someone who changes his stance on issues as often as Kerry does. Bush has stood firm with the issues he's been dealing with.
Bush has the moral beliefs I do. Kerry opposes everything I believe in.
Don
Post by: Antigen on October 04, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
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On 2004-10-04 17:15:00, Don Smith wrote:
Bush has stood firm with the issues he's been dealing with.
That's just not true.
During the 2000 election campaign, a reporter asked Büsh where he stood on medical marijuana in states that had passed laws to approve it. He said it should be up to the states to decide these issues for themselves. Since then, John Ashcroft (his unelected appointee) has gone beyond the pale in raiding hospices and legal mmj providers in California, Oregon and Washington.
I also remember his promise to turn US foreign policy away from nation building. What are we doing in Iraq right now?
Just like any of them, Büsh will say anything to get elected. Ignore what they say. Watch what they do!
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Bush has the moral beliefs I do.
Don, I would never say that of you.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2004, 09:10:00 PM
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Post by: Antigen on October 04, 2004, 10:10:00 PM
You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
easier.
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Post by: Froderik on October 05, 2004, 09:31:00 AM
And I it's 'Idi' Amin, not 'Edie' (as in Sedgwick)
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I think tradtition is a sad way to vote. I have voted both sides of the ticket and always will when there is a better choice.I agree 100%
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Well I don't know about you but I don't want some spineless used car salesman that was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth asking permission of a bunch of fucking dictators to protect our country.
Me neither. Then again, I don't want Bush involving us in a situation that we (apparently) don't need to be involved in..warm shit, cold shit...the more that I think about it, the more I think, "Why even bother to register this year?"
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
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On 2004-10-05 06:31:00, froderik13 wrote:
"Well considering the overpopulation at the time Pol Pot did one hell of a lot for his country. :lol:
And I it's 'Idi' Amin, not 'Edie' (as in Sedgwick)QuoteI think tradtition is a sad way to vote. I have voted both sides of the ticket and always will when there is a better choice.
I agree 100%QuoteWell I don't know about you but I don't want some spineless used car salesman that was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth asking permission of a bunch of fucking dictators to protect our country.
Me neither. Then again, I don't want Bush involving us in a situation that we (apparently) don't need to be involved in..warm shit, cold shit...the more that I think about it, the more I think, "Why even bother to register this year?" "
Don't vote--It only encourages them.
Post by: Dr. Miller Newton on October 05, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
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On 2004-10-04 12:04:00, nicoleesther wrote:
Come on people! How can you affiliate yourselves with a party that empowers Mel Sembler, his money, and his bought Ambassadorship.
Because they are grateful to the Republicans for creating an atmosphere where Straight, Inc. could thrive! They know that if they hadn't gotten treatment at Straight, they would be DEAD, INSANE, or IN JAIL! Sembler deserves his position as a "Thank you" from a grateful nation--a nation that wouldn't have to worry about teenagers dying from the disease of chemical dependency if they would vote Republican and help open the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya! Love yourself, Druggie! Have a seat!
Post by: PerfectStraightling on October 05, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: The Butcher on October 05, 2004, 12:23:00 PM
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I knew Bush was crazy in the last debates in 2000 when he was talking about executing someone on death row in TX and he started laughing.
And you thought this was crazy because...?
Post by: PerfectStraightling on October 05, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: PerfectStraightling on October 05, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
And this from: http://www.bushkills.com/record.html (http://www.bushkills.com/record.html)
Under the leadership of George W. Bush, Texas continues to rank dead last in virtually every social service area, yet first in executions. Texas has some of the poorest funded programs to help the mentally ill (who account for a good number of the prison population). Bush's response to this dead last ranking was to insist that the legislature pass a $5 billion tax cut.
Bush has been steadfast in his refusal to recognize the significance of international treaty law, specifically the right of foreign nationals facing the death penalty to receive notification of their right to consular assistance. Texas has the second-largest death row population of foreign citizens in the USA (after California). None of these individuals were informed upon arrest of their right to consular assistance, as guaranteed under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Even a personal intervention by the US Secretary of State (in the Faulder case) was ignored by Bush, undermining the viability of international law, outraging nations allied to the USA and endangering the human rights of detained foreigners everywhere, including American citizens arrested abroad.
Texas' criminal justice system as a whole is undoubtedly one of the worst in the nation. This is pointed out so clearly in the September 1999 issue of Harper's, in the Index:
"Number of death sentences upheld by Texas courts since 1990 for men whose lawyers slept during their trials: 3"
In a 1998 report entitled "Lethal Injustice", Amnesty International stated that "at every step in the death penalty process in Texas, a litany of grossly inadequate legal procedures fail to meet recognized minimum international standards for the protection of human rights."
A more recent article entitled "Death In Texas", in the July, 1999 edition of The Champion, Stephen B. Bright, Director of the Southern Center for Human Rights, details how the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals runs the fastest assembly line to the death chamber in the country.
Post by: PerfectStraightling on October 05, 2004, 12:43:00 PM
and this from: http://www.texecutions.com/ (http://www.texecutions.com/)
(Not even the incident I was referring to, another one)
Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer criticized Gov. George W. Bush for making fun of an executed Texas woman in an interview Bush gave to Talk magazine. "I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death." Just before her execution date, Tucker appealed for clemency on the grounds that she had become a born-again Christian. Bush's reply: " `Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, `don't kill me,' "
George W. Bush has a very weak grasp of the idea "freedom" and its significance in this country. George W. Bush also seems to lack an understanding of the meaning of satire. Humor does require a measure of intelligence. Maybe that is his problem. With the invite and political machinery of the GOP establishment and wealthy fat cats, George W. Bush intends to squarely plop himself down in the White House. When considering his record of pandering to special interests, bald hypocrisy, weasel speak and the utterly hollow nature of the George W. Bush "vision", sensible people shudder. At least there is humor. Most unwittingly, George W. Bush does provide himself as grist for tremendous hilarity.
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Post by: Carmel on October 05, 2004, 04:20:00 PM
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On 2004-10-05 11:51:00, thepatriot wrote:
"What would you prefer a prison to be a summer camp like the one Martha Stewart is going to?
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I would prefer that we didnt have a system where Martha and her ilk were sent to a summer camp at all. A system where justice wasnt heavy handed for the poor and lightly wrist slapped for the rich.
THAT kind of system, is one that is fostered by the stance of the Bush Administration.
When violent crimes separate us from our loved ones, no amount of justice via the death penalty will ever rectify it. The only thing it does is cause more suffering.
By the same token, justice MUST be done in a moral/social sense right? So what is adequate justice? Whats worse than death?
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Post by: thepatriot on October 05, 2004, 05:27:00 PM
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On 2004-10-05 11:51:00, thepatriot wrote:
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THAT kind of system, is one that is fostered by the stance of the Bush Administration.
The Bush administration , the Clinton and the rest befor them and it will be the same in the Kerry administration if he wins as well
Post by: Carmel on October 05, 2004, 06:58:00 PM
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Post by: PerfectStraightling on October 08, 2004, 04:31:00 PM
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On 2004-10-05 13:08:00, thepatriot wrote:
"Fuck empathy its a feel good program word.
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Ok, well for me empathy = being able to imagine something from someone elses point of view. Being able to imagine being killed or having someone you know killed. How many people have died in this "war" so far? Do you think Bush has any qualms about being responsible for thousands of deaths? I wasn't talking about not wanting to punish criminals. I was talking about being a mass murderer. I agree Kerry isn't the perfect answer, no argument on that. But to say Bush = Kerry just because they're all in politics...I don't think so.
Post by: thepatriot on October 08, 2004, 04:35:00 PM
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On 2004-10-05 13:08:00, thepatriot wrote:
"Fuck empathy its a feel good program word.
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Ok, well for me empathy = being able to imagine something from someone elses point of view. Being able to imagine being killed or having someone you know killed. How many people have died in this "war" so far? Do you think Bush has any qualms about being responsible for thousands of deaths? I wasn't talking about not wanting to punish criminals. I was talking about being a mass murderer. I agree Kerry isn't the perfect answer, no argument on that. But to say Bush = Kerry just because they're all in politics...I don't think so. "
politician=politician regardless of party affiliation. To think that Kerry would give any more of a shit about you than Bush is a redundant statement, Bush feeling good about 1000 of deaths? are we talking death row? fuck it I would sleep fine at night knowing I put most of the bastards to bed.
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Post by: PerfectStraightling on October 08, 2004, 04:58:00 PM
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"Fuck empathy its a feel good program word.
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Ok, well for me empathy = being able to imagine something from someone elses point of view. Being able to imagine being killed or having someone you know killed. How many people have died in this "war" so far? Do you think Bush has any qualms about being responsible for thousands of deaths? I wasn't talking about not wanting to punish criminals. I was talking about being a mass murderer. I agree Kerry isn't the perfect answer, no argument on that. But to say Bush = Kerry just because they're all in politics...I don't think so. "
politician=politician regardless of party affiliation. To think that Kerry would give any more of a shit about you than Bush is a redundant statement, Bush feeling good about 1000 of deaths? are we talking death row? fuck it I would sleep fine at night knowing I put most of the bastards to bed.
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:???: :???: You really don't trust authority, do you. I guess I can relate to that feeling. I just don't think it's black or white though.
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Post by: Froderik on October 15, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
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The patriot, I agree with you that most people in politics are at least somewhat corrupt just by virtue of their position. In fact I think sometimes most people are full of it, and I get a really bad taste in my mouth when I think people are pretending to be someone they're not.
I heard that Monica Lewinsky is voting Republican this year...she said she the Democrats left a bad taste in her mouth. :lol:
Post by: thepatriot on October 15, 2004, 04:22:00 PM
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"QuoteThe patriot, I agree with you that most people in politics are at least somewhat corrupt just by virtue of their position. In fact I think sometimes most people are full of it, and I get a really bad taste in my mouth when I think people are pretending to be someone they're not.
I heard that Monica Lewinsky is voting Republican this year...she said she the Democrats left a bad taste in her mouth. :lol:"
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Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2004, 02:51:00 PM
If the ballots are like this, we all will be fine.
Post by: Polarbear on October 24, 2004, 07:15:00 AM
OK, the states are free to decide for themselves how they're going do most things. Aside from whatever the Federales don't stick their noses into.
If you were in Texas, a state KNOWN for it's belief in strict justice, WHY WERE YOU COMMITTING CRIMES THAT WERE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH?!! That's on your back, not the Governor's. You might want to take that into consideration.
I had a friend from down there who explained that it was still a valid legal defense in Texas to argue your victim needed killin'. I don't look down on a state with a strict system. I SUPPORT IT! If you don't want standards, go elsewhere. California or Massachusettes might be more friendly to your alternative view of right and wrong. Texas evidently has no patience for it. Seems like the system works.
As for what's-her-name asking for a stay of execution because she was saved-Well, your new-found faith is nice, but that doesn't bring back your victims, now does it? Enjoy-Polarbear