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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 22, 2004, 05:40:00 PM
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an unnamed boy of 16 enters AARC. he is on prescribed anit-psycotics. in his "using" smoked some pot and lied a bit. (normal adolescent behaviour right?)
boy seems to be honest and goes through his feelings as best he could for where he is at with "treament".
once this boy has been in AARC for a while, staff takes this boy off his "meds" and he immediatly changes.
he becomes anti-social, and acts very strangley. he stares into space, does not respond to stimulus.
rap leaders and staff emotionally abuse this unnamed boy. they call him a pathetic looser, they call him a fucking idiot. clients make endless fun of him.
he sits on step 1b for 6 MONTHS.
staff does not try to re-administer his "meds". why would they not try that to get him to at least respond to human contact?
his parents pay cash for 6 MONTHS of treatment with no results for this poor boy.
what happens to this boy?
he goes for a psyc assesment one day, gets admitted to the psyc-ward.
imagine that!
after six months of abuse from staff and clients the poor boy goes crazy.
why would they take his meds away? why would they not give them back to him to see if he makes any progess?
now what for the family? 6 MONTHS down the drain.
and i son in the psyc-ward.
what is going on in that place? does anyone really know what they are doing or is it all guess work?
anyone have any answers out there?
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Yes many of us have the answers! But you can see them for yourself simply by looking at the "pro AARC" posts. This type of bully behavior/mentality is what I experienced in AARC. Only it obviously becomes serious when used in situations like "boys rap", which you are probably familiar with.
There are legitimate doctors who may have chosen to take this boy off of "meds" too. However, these doctors would probably A) Thoroughly review the boys medical history first B) Slowly (very slowly) pace him off of the medications and be aware of any symptoms that he is withdrawing to quickly C) Introduce him back to the medications or seek out a new medication once finding his mental illness progressing.
Does the boy feel safe enough to deal with what happend in AARC now?
Is it being reinforced to him that he is not an idiot, and that he will not be punished for being himself?
What are his parents doing about their concerns about AARC?
ADAAC offers therapy for former "clients" of AARC. My personal suggestion for the family would be to seek out a therapist who is familiar with "floating", and to read up on cult recovery.
Thank you for sharing this situation.
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I was in AARC with him in July. He was berrated, mentally and emotionally beaten upon daily there. By the time I ran in August (after being in for 1 month) I was on level 1b as well. To me that says something about the effectiveness and legitimacy of this program.
The person in question, I believe, simply did not have a using problem but a behavioural problem and it was moreso a case of the parents feeding into the AARC-propoganda and being convinced that if they fed Vause's wallet, that their son would be cured.
I have since spent a month in a treatment centre in the United States, and found a far more supportive place of recovery there. There is an "easier, softer way" than AARC, contrary to Vause's twisted views of Alcoholics Anonymous literature.
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im so glad that you have found another form of treatment which is working for you. i know who you are.
some of us were quite sad to see you go but i knew you would find alternative treatment and i hope you stick with it.
i hope that the centre you are at doesnt line the director's bank like aarc lines dr vause's. i feel bad everyday for how much my parents paid for treament when i know i didnt need that much help.
every time i hear them talk about how much money they raise it makes me sick to my stomach. "for the new bulding" right?
if they were just trying to be a humble organization like they tell us all to be, why would the selfish money hungry bastards need another centre? shouldnt they just be happy with the one they already have?
oh yeah i almost forgot ,power and authority corrupts. which is exactly what has happened over there with dean vause.
too much power for that old alky......now he just cant get enough.
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I'm not sure who you are, but thank you very much for your support. It's good to know that there are some people who still know that AARC isn't the ONLY answer to addiction.
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This is a great thread. Welcome to the board.
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On 2004-09-26 21:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
There is an "easier, softer way" than AARC, contrary to Vause's twisted views of Alcoholics Anonymous literature.
Do tell! If you're not comfortable naming the organization, please explain the method. I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!
-- Monty Python
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i have an answere aarc can go fuck them selves
i was in there 4 14 months and it was complete bull shit
sara
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"sweet girl with a bad attitude", that's something that they said to you, isn't it?
I'm so sorry that you had to spend 14 months of your youth in there. That's such a long time to take out of somebody's life. I hope you have supportive people around you now.
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I think he was crazy before AARC. He did more drugs than pot. He told someone that he did a hit of acid and he was never the same again. He has drug induced psychosis...not because of AARC. But one thing I don't understand is why AARC kept him there for several months, when clearly he should of been emitted to a psychiatric hospital.
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Drug induced psychosis isn't an actual medical illness, just the term "Dr" Vause uses. And if I recall correctly he coined the term with one of the original clients who had schizophrenia, which went untreated because the parents were convinced their kid had "drug induced psychosis". Do you really think that one hit of acid would make someone mentally ill for life?
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From: British Columbia Schizophrenia Society
http://www.bcss.org/information_centre/ ... hosis.html (http://www.bcss.org/information_centre/schizophrenia/whatis_psychosis.html)
What are the Types of Psychosis?
When someone has a psychosis, a diagnosis of a particular psychotic illness is usually given. Diagnosis means identification of an illness by symptoms, so the diagnosis will depend on what brought on the illness and how long the symptoms last. When someone is experiencing psychosis for the first time, it can be difficult to make an exact diagnosis, because many of the factors underlying the illness may remain unclear. Nevertheless, it is helpful to understand some of the diagnostic labels you might hear.
· Drug-Induced Psychosis
Using or withdrawing from drugs and alcohol can cause psychotic symptoms. Sometimes these symptoms will rapidly disappear as the substance wears off. In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis.
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When someone has a psychosis, a diagnosis of a particular psychotic illness is usually given. Diagnosis means identification of an illness by symptoms, so the diagnosis will depend on what brought on the illness and how long the symptoms last. When someone is experiencing psychosis for the first time, it can be difficult to make an exact diagnosis, because many of the factors underlying the illness may remain unclear. Nevertheless, it is helpful to understand some of the diagnostic labels you might hear.
· Drug-Induced Psychosis
Using or withdrawing from drugs and alcohol can cause psychotic symptoms. Sometimes these symptoms will rapidly disappear as the substance wears off. In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis.
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The problem is, that it is really too easy for psychiatrists to to be deluded by long-held superstitions and beliefs when they don't have all the information. Example from a real-life case:
18 year old kills his best friend while in a psychotic state.
Father says that he was having trouble because his son was smoking pot and becoming increasinly irrational.
Trial is held and pot-smoking killer is committed as not guilty because of insanity and goes to Alberta Hospital.
Years later, dad admits that son was behaving strangely as young as 10. At the same time, son is saying that when he was very young he had been sexually abused by his own father.
Questions: Was the alleged sexual abuse delusional?
Did the Marijuana cause the psychosis?
If Marijuana causes psychosis why aren't we all psychotic?
If he was already schizophrenic, could he have been using Marijuana as self-medication to calm the anxiety and his feeling that he was going crazy?
We know that MJ may be associated with psychosis in some people, but that does not mean that it causes it.
Too often, I suspect, the appelation "drug-induced psychosis" is too easy a conclusion, especially when people, particularly parents, are experiencing a moral panic when they see their kids smoking pot.
Think of Roszko. Turned into the police at the age of 16 by a very stupid father because he was smoking the evil weed!
We now know that Roszko had many demons. We may never know their origins, but he was psychotic. If that was a drug-induced psychosis, though, I ask the question, why is this drug-induced psychosis not much more widespread?
"In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis."
I think this answer is way too easy an explanation.
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""In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis."
I think this answer is way too easy an explanation."
Ok. But until the drugs are taken a way in a controlled, safe environment, how can other problems be discerned? And it really doesn't matter if the psychosis is drug induced or not, once it is chronic it needs to be treated. I personally have only heard the term applied to two AARC clients out of hundreds. Both got extensive help outside of AARC for mental problems.
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On 2005-04-26 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"""In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis."
I think this answer is way too easy an explanation."
Ok. But until the drugs are taken a way in a controlled, safe environment, how can other problems be discerned? And it really doesn't matter if the psychosis is drug induced or not, once it is chronic it needs to be treated. I personally have only heard the term applied to two AARC clients out of hundreds. Both got extensive help outside of AARC for mental problems.
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Hmmm, Only in two cases eh? So, what are the other 99% of inmates of AARC being treated for?
Please do tell.
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drug addiction, not drug induced psychosis. please keep up.
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What's the diff?
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So, was Andrew Mazur suffering:
A behaviour disorder?
Oppositional-defiant disorder?
ADHD?
ADD?
FAS?
Drug induced psychosis?
A combination of the above?
Or could they not keep him in long enough to make a determination?
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what a bizarre question.
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On 2005-04-26 16:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"drug addiction, not drug induced psychosis. please keep up."
Don't you mean presumed drug addiction on the basis of some very questionable criteria?
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On 2005-04-26 16:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, was Andrew Mazur suffering:
A behaviour disorder?
Oppositional-defiant disorder?
ADHD?
ADD?
FAS?
Drug induced psychosis?
A combination of the above?
Or could they not keep him in long enough to make a determination?
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Actually, when he shot the police officer I think he was in an AARC INDUCED PSYCHOSIS!
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On 2005-04-27 19:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-04-26 16:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, was Andrew Mazur suffering:
A behaviour disorder?
Oppositional-defiant disorder?
ADHD?
ADD?
FAS?
Drug induced psychosis?
A combination of the above?
Or could they not keep him in long enough to make a determination?
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Actually, when he shot the police officer I think he was in an AARC INDUCED PSYCHOSIS!"
That's a wicked thought, man.
Come to think of it, the suicides could all be explained as the aftermath of AARC abuse --- AARC induced psychosis -- let's get that into the DMV 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
::bwahaha2:: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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· Drug-Induced Psychosis
Using or withdrawing from drugs and alcohol can cause psychotic symptoms. Sometimes these symptoms will rapidly disappear as the substance wears off. In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis.
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So if this is your definition of "drug induced psychosis" you're saying that it's only a temporary part of detoxing from drugs. How could someone leave after spending a long time in AARC and still have "drug induced psychosis"? It seems to me this description is describing typical detox.
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"In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis."
Again, please keep up! All you need to do is do a search for drug induced psychosis on Google.
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On 2005-04-27 19:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
Come to think of it, the suicides could all be explained as the aftermath of AARC abuse --- AARC induced psychosis
You're not that far off the mark. Seems to be a common thread running through these places dating back to the 70s and since AARC is a Straight decendent it makes sense to me. Sad, but true.I didn't intend for this to take on a political tone, I'm just here for the drugs.
--First Lady, Nancy Reagan at a Just Say No rally
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On 2005-04-28 06:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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"In other cases, the illness may last longer, but begin with a drug-induced psychosis."
Again, please keep up! All you need to do is do a search for drug induced psychosis on Google."
Sorry, you keep up, long term psychosis attributable to drugs is a myth that has been shown to be a mistaken conclusion drawn from association, not causation. It's the same post hoc ergo proctor hoc argument that says that MJ is a gateway drug. As the British psychiatrist said, "If marijuana causes schizophrenia, why aren't we all psychotic?" You're the one who should keep up -- try googling anandamide.
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I was looking for a forum and a place that could offer their own experiences and see what kind of help that they got. But, after reading what posts were left here, I feel compelled to tell my story.
My 14 year old god daughter we knew was smoking pot. Her behavior over time just got worse. She began skipping school, not coming home and at times in a mania state. Either she was really pissed or happy. And at first it wasn't written off but trying to understand is this just teenage angst.
My friend tried to get the police involved when she would leave home. But, they were no help. She was told " if she doesn't break the law, we cannot do anything", she was truant and the school did nothing. Finally she got herself into some legal trouble and it resulted into her going to teen court and only having to do community service.
Her parents tried to place into a " troubled teen " facility but they are all voluntary. And knowing she would run, what would be the point? If she ran, they take her back, if she runs again, they can't hold her there.
What 14 year old wants help, when they don't think they need it?
Two weeks ago she was gone for a few hours and came home messed up. Her mom knew something was way off and realized she was tripping or she seemed to be. Her pupils were blown up and she was acting afraid. She asked her if she was tripping on acid and her reply was " yes I took two hits of acid ".
They stayed with her and hoped they could help her out of it. She was asking if they were in hell, accused her step-father of being the devil and the following day she was no better. She became confused and paranoid. Throwing all of the food away believing it was all poisoned. Walking in and out of the front door like she was really going somewhere. They took her to the E.R. and she ran, so they baker acted her. Gave her some ativan and she just got worse and worse. With only moments of lucidity in between the obvious psychosis. She didn't understand anything and would cry and ask what was happening? Why were we doing this? Close her eyes and cover her ears. Deny that she took any acid that he mom had told her she had taken it. She admitted only to me that she had smoked a great deal of pot that night when she came home freaked out.
It was pure craziness and terrifying.
They took her to a behavioral hospital for troubled teens.
They put her on the anti-psychotic drug seroquel. She never confessed anything, still having delusions of being poisoned, covering her ears and closing her eyes and then she would have moments of being lucid, although you knew she was not 100%.
The doctor told her parents that she was in a drug induced psychosis and that it was more than likely the pot that she has been on. Acid gets through the system very quickly but that weed does not metabolize and it can take weeks. She refused her meds. She refused to eat or drink anything and became dehydrated.
She was obsessed with a bible that had been given to her. And you know what? 10 days later, even with her being non-compliant they discharged her. Her parents not knowing what to do next.
With 8 hours she tried to kill herself. Her father was able to help her and make her take the medicine. Within an hour he said she was okay. The next day, they went to a scheduled therapy appt. She communicated well with the doctor and had a follow up with a psychiatrist a few weeks later.
She didn't want to be in public but still held conversation with her mother. All of the sudden she wanted her bible and claimed to hear voices and within an instant she jumped out of the truck.
Police were called, family members to hunt for her. Not one time in the four hours that she was missing did one police officer get out of his car and check peoples backyards. They just drove around the streets. Her dad checked every friends house, the mom and grandfather checked peoples yards.
4 hours later the E.R. called and she had been brought in by ambulance. Found by a construction worker that was roofing a house down by the beach. It was 43 degrees outside and dark. She was lying in the fetal position, purple and barely breathing. He said that he had seen her in the water for what he thought had been an hour or more. She was dying on that beach. Thank god he found her.
Back to the E.R. back to being baker acted. Had to wait for an ambulance transfer at 7 in the morning and it is only 6:30 at night. So twelve hours.
After they warmed her up, she ate, she talked a little and then went quiet. She seemed okay but gave no reason as to why she was had been on the beach.
She actually said she went for a jog but never got into the water.
Four hours later, she went from being quiet and sort of resting to a sitting up and grunting and covering her ears and closing her eyes.
And I could take you through the next 8 hours in it's entirety but I won't. I will give you the summary. She closes her eyes because she is seeing things. She covers her ears because the devil is talking to her plus she can hear us saying things even though we are not. They give her an ativan and a seroquel and she has one hour of barely lucid and she wants to know where she is and she asks for herself by name.
And from that point she lets me know that the devil talks to her. He tells her things and that he told her he needed to use her soul to get into heaven and that if she went to the water and got in, he could switch sould with her. But that once she did it, she had to kill herself. She thoughts souls were floating around and were trying to get into her mouth so she kept it covered.
I finally begged them to give her something so they have her haldol. It took 8 ppl to hold down a 5'4 100 pound girl to give it to her and she actually managed to break the first syringe.
Still drug induced psychosis? Two weeks later?
She is taken to a different facility. They change her medicine to respiradal. She is lathargic, not eating, not drinking but she says she feels safe and happy there. She did not feel safe at the other place she was in for 10 days. This is day 3 ( today ) and the doctor calls the parents and says " she told me that she took acid 2 hours before she went down to the beach " father explain that " no it was two weeks ago, she has been supervised the entire time" the doctor says " it's impossible for her to have taken it two weeks ago and have a psychotic episode, she says she took it two hours before." The father argues because who is this guy to believe a sick child over the parents and guess what? They are keeping her for the weekend and letting her go.
So now what?
From research we know that drug induced psychosis is real but we also know that if a person has a predisposition for schizophrenia, using drugs can make the illness come to the surface.
So, why can't they keep her and medicate her for 30 days to see if she gets better and then wean her off of the drug and then give her some assesments to see? Instead tossing her back out?
Sure she is fine now. But she isn't. Is she having delusions and all of the paranoia and etc.? Nope but she feels safe and she is doped up. So, what happens when they let her out and she refuses to take the medicine? Relapses? Where is the help when you need it?
She is very sick. It is like watching a child be possessed by the devil.
So now they have until Monday to try and find a way to have her commited. But where? To that place? Where the doctor doesn't believe the parents or back to the other place where the doctor let her go even though she was clearly ill and not taking her medicince?
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Mabye, scientifically unsubstatiatedly, but mabye, ONCE IN A BLUE MOON people have intensely weird reactions to drugs. But its not going to be an issue that only shows itself so much later. If i smoke a joint 1 year ago and 1 year later curl up into the fetal postion and refuse to move..uhh..something other than that joint is causing it
The truth is COMMONLY people have weird reactions to torture. Especially torture designed to "drive you crazy" ie. make you beleive things regardless if they are true or not and adapt a lifsytle willingly that is destructive to the human organism
Do we know if this boy even took drugs? NO! Do we know if this boy was tortured YES!
So we can safely say what caused his mental illness.
Do you know in rare cases pimple popping has lead to brain infections and cause permanent mental debhilitation?
However if some con man kidnaps me and sticks a scapel into my brain to "break it in order to rebuild it" that man should be held responsible for my brain damage, not the pimple popping the man INSINUATES I took part in before he got his hands on me!.
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I was in AARC with him in July. He was berrated, mentally and emotionally beaten upon daily there. By the time I ran in August (after being in for 1 month) I was on level 1b as well. To me that says something about the effectiveness and legitimacy of this program.
The person in question, I believe, simply did not have a using problem but a behavioural problem and it was moreso a case of the parents feeding into the AARC-propoganda and being convinced that if they fed Vause's wallet, that their son would be cured.
I have since spent a month in a treatment centre in the United States, and found a far more supportive place of recovery there. There is an "easier, softer way" than AARC, contrary to Vause's twisted views of Alcoholics Anonymous literature.
(http://http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/body_snatchers.jpg)
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I was in AARC with him in July. He was berrated, mentally and emotionally beaten upon daily there. By the time I ran in August (after being in for 1 month) I was on level 1b as well. To me that says something about the effectiveness and legitimacy of this program.
The person in question, I believe, simply did not have a using problem but a behavioural problem and it was moreso a case of the parents feeding into the AARC-propoganda and being convinced that if they fed Vause's wallet, that their son would be cured.
I have since spent a month in a treatment centre in the United States, and found a far more supportive place of recovery there. There is an "easier, softer way" than AARC, contrary to Vause's twisted views of Alcoholics Anonymous literature.
See, now there's a right way and a wrong way to help people. I'm not saying that no one ever needs help, but my god. How is anything that AARC, using methods directly derived from Straight and with Vause being personally trained by that sadist Newton, could ever be considered therapeutic is beyond me.
What a sham. Shame. both
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you did too say noone needs help. there is no such thing as addiction right? it's not a disease. You KNOW WHEN to use. ahahha
wait it out.
do some drugs.
you know,
your approach.
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you did too say noone needs help. there is no such thing as addiction right? it's not a disease. You KNOW WHEN to use. ahahha
wait it out.
do some drugs.
you know,
your approach.
No, that's your interpretation of what I wrote.
READING FOR COMPREHENSION SON! READING FOR COMPREHENSION
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