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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 11, 2004, 12:12:00 PM
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September 11, 2004
ISAC Corporation has determined that Genesis by the Sea, an all-girls Christian facility in Ensenada, has been ordered to close.
The program is one of several American owned behavior modification facilities closed by Mexican authorities yesterday, September 10, 2004 after finding evidence of abuse and neglect.
Casa by the Sea, a facility affiliated with the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) was also ordered to remove all students.
Genesis by the Sea is owned by Michael Palmer.
In 1991, California authorities banned Palmer and his wife Patty from ever working at any unlicensed facility in the state.
The ban came after authorities received complaints of sexual misconduct and found evidence of abuse at Victory Christian Academy, another girls-only facility also owned and operated by the Palmers.
Michael Palmer has since relocated Victory Christian Academy to Jay, Florida.
In 1995, a teen from the Florida behavior modification program accused Michael Palmer of sexual battery.
At the present time, Palmer is reportedly not allowed to have one-on-one contact with any of the girls at the facility.
ISAC Corporation
Shelby Earnshaw, Director
http://www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
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Has this been sent to the media?
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> Baja raids shut boarding schools for U.S. teens
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> By Sandra Dibble and Anna Cearley
> UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS
> September 11, 2004
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> ENSENADA - Hundreds of U.S. teens enrolled in private rehabilitation
centers were being sent home yesterday after Mexican health and immigration
authorities shut down three Baja California facilities.
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> The largest group of students, 536, had been enrolled in a boarding
program at Casa by the Sea outside Ensenada. A group of 20 had been living
at Casa La Esperanza in Ensenada, and a third group of 26 students was
enrolled at Genesis south of Rosarito Beach.
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> Reports of foreigners and complaints that minors were being mistreated led
to the raids, according to a statement late yesterday by Mexico's National
Migration Institute.
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> The schools' behavior modification programs are aimed at youths with drug
dependency and behavior problems. Parents commonly use them as a last
resort. The schools have been accused of moving abroad to avoid scrutiny of
U.S. government authorities for their controversial methods.
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> At Casa by the Sea, four residents showed signs of physical and emotional
mistreatment, including one from El Salvador, the Mexican immigration
statement said.
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> At Genesis, youths told immigration authorities that they were physically
and emotionally mistreated, the statement said, without offering details.
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> The director of Casa La Esperanza was expelled for conducting activities
not authorized by his tourist visa. But the statement otherwise avoided
legal terms such as "expulsion" or "deportation."
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> The 20 minors at Casa La Esperanza had "irregular" migratory
documentation, and along with one adult were turned over to U.S. immigration
officials at the San Ysidro crossing, the statement said.
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> The minors from Genesis also were turned in at the border.
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> Some residents of Casa by the Sea were allowed to leave with their
parents. But hundreds of others remained at the facility until family
members could be contacted.
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> The U.S. Consulate in Tijuana sent staff members to the three centers
"making sure everything is done in accordance with Mexican law," said
spokeswoman Liza Davis. "If kids need to be repatriated to the U.S., we're
getting in touch with their families and facilitating that process."
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> Luz Ramos, the coordinator of medical services at Casa by the Sea, said
late yesterday that government officials had regularly inspected the center.
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> "We are regulated, we have the best in services. . . . This is a total
surprise."
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> Staff members at the other two centers could not be reached.
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> At Casa by the Sea, confused and worried parents showed up throughout the
day at the unmarked and walled compound just north of Ensenada, asking state
police to allow them inside.
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> Several parents and a student interviewed outside the center said they had
no complaints.
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> Carol Rivardi of Orange County had been waiting since the morning to see
her 16-year-old daughter. "The staff is absolutely phenomenal. My daughter's
behavior has totally changed," she said.
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> Larry Horn of Agoura Hills said his 15-year-old son had problems with
drugs, alcohol, bad grades and disrespect to his parents. "We tried rehab
for six weeks, but these kids need a lot more than that," he said.
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> Casa by the Sea bills itself as a "specialty program for teens . . . who
are struggling in their home, school or community."
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> The cost is $70 per day, according to its Web site.
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> Relatives unable to contact the centers for information about family
members should call the U.S. Consulate's San Diego number at (619) 692-2154.
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thank god this is so awsome im glad mike palmer is going down!
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Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic.
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Whats amazing to me is the Programmed parents.
Wouldn't you think this would wake more of them Up?
Seems like they'd have a lot of questions for the program - but no - They Trust the Program.
Trust it enough to take a desert boys word for it, when he says the kids are safe on low ground with a cat 4/5 hurricane heading right at them.
Yes, the storm turned its face away, but that was not expected, much less something to count on. The whole compound might well have been washed out to sea.
I know they did move them. Finely. They moved them to a hotel the guest had been evacuated from. So, how safe could it be? But at least they did move them, and it was higher ground.
Back to the parents - Why /How are they so willing to accept the program line, even when it is against all reason?
Those kids should have been flown off that island days ago. They could easily have suffered injury and even death if that storm had hit square on, as was predicted.
And now Casa is another on the list of government closed programs - and the parents will no doubt soak up the Program crap and pabulum about how the government is harassing them unjustly.
I know they are victims of group think - but it still seems strange this doesn't wake more of them up. How effective IS this brain washing anyway? Its really kinda scary.
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How effective is it?
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 50&forum=9 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5950&forum=9)
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 11&forum=9 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6211&forum=9)
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if the mexican authorities can figure this scam out...why is it taking the u.s. so long to pick up on these con dudes?
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Money is there to be made, of course!
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I am not surprised that ISAC is taking credit for this! OMG!
Why do you think they closed FOUR American owned teen programs the day prior to 9/11? It was because of terrorist threats - the Mexican government needed to get the biggest sources of US citizens OUT of Mexico and in a very short period of time. The threats were for towns bordering the US.
They did a good thing, even though it's caused a lot of chaos. The kids were sitting ducks for the terrorists.
ISAC, you can't take credit for this even though you would like people to think you had ANYTHING to do with it.
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This takes the cake. What will you think of next WASSPIE. The only terrorism that went on there was the staff terrorizing the kids help prisoner. I don?t know of ISSAC is taking credit. I don?t care who gets the credit the bottom line is 3 very abusive facilities are closed. Now they no longer can terrorize innocent kids!
Lets lock you up in these places and see that you have to say! Hell even arrange escorts for you so you have the full experience. Lets see you scream terrorism after that.
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On 2004-09-11 19:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am not surprised that ISAC is taking credit for this! OMG!
Why do you think they closed FOUR American owned teen programs the day prior to 9/11? It was because of terrorist threats - the Mexican government needed to get the biggest sources of US citizens OUT of Mexico and in a very short period of time. The threats were for towns bordering the US.
They did a good thing, even though it's caused a lot of chaos. The kids were sitting ducks for the terrorists.
ISAC, you can't take credit for this even though you would like people to think you had ANYTHING to do with it.
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what makes you think this?
First if the issue was terrorist threat dont you think that the Mexican Goverment would take credit for temorarly relocting the kids and state the was the reason why they was related to make themselves look even better in the mainstream public.
Second since the Mexican Goverment did say why they was closed. For abuse and health and immigatation issues. NOT TERROR REASONS!
If you think or belive this delusion you need the help not you kid who was locked up in these "treatment" centers.
You need help you are delusional we can help you. Let us arrange a escort to take you to a "treatment" center that will help you.
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On 2004-09-11 11:12:00, BuzzKill wrote:
Back to the parents - Why /How are they so willing to accept the program line, even when it is against all reason?
Same way you trust Craig Rogers.A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit.
-- In the August 1993 issue, page 9, of PS magazine, the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance
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On 2004-09-11 19:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
Why do you think they closed FOUR American owned teen programs the day prior to 9/11? It was because of terrorist threats - the Mexican government needed to get the biggest sources of US citizens OUT of Mexico and in a very short period of time. The threats were for towns bordering the US
OMG! :exclaim: That is to say that you're experiencing the same sort of state of psychosis/halucenation as drowning people w/ no options.
The troubled teen undustry is nowhere near the biggest source of Americans in Mejico. College and highschool students looking for a legal buzz and AARP members looking for cheap RXs are a much larger source of Americans in Mejico.
Judging by the tenor of NWI newscasts from Mejico(no longer shown in the US), I'd say that, if there's any connection at all to the war on Terra, it's that Mejico no longer wants to be associated w/ that faction of America that eats its own young.
Laws are like spider webs. If some poor weak creature comes up against them - it is caught. But the bigger one can break through and get away.
-- Solon; Greek philosopher - c.630-c.555 BC
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LMFAO :lol:
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On 2004-09-11 11:12:00, BuzzKill wrote:
I know they are victims of group think - but it still seems strange this doesn't wake more of them up. How effective IS this brain washing anyway? Its really kinda scary.
I will not argue with you on that one. I only hope that, one day, you and your kid will be able to look back on this and laugh. I know he will, if sardonically.I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie
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***Whats amazing to me is the Programmed parents.
Wouldn't you think this would wake more of them Up?
You're expecting a miracle. Most program parents do not want their kid home. They are enjoying the peace and quiet. They feel victimized by the media, as much as they felt victimized by their teen.
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /np01.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/2/np01.html)
What's the story here? They were one of the programs ousted.
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After a surprise inspection Friday of the three treatment centers for teenagers with behavior and drug-related problems, the Mexican immigration agency reported that four children at Casa by the Sea showed signs of physical and emotional mistreatment, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 492.htm?1c (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/9644492.htm?1c)
Posted on Sun, Sep. 12, 2004
Mexico closes schools, sends hundreds of teens back to U.S.
SOUTH BAY PARENTS SURPRISED BY ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE
MEXICO CITY (AP) - Parents picked up hundreds of U.S. teenagers Saturday from northern Mexico after state and federal authorities closed down three schools for troubled youths, according to a U.S. consular official.
About 538 teenagers -- the vast majority U.S. citizens -- were being returned home after authorities shut down Casa by the Sea in Ensenada, on the Pacific coast about 60 miles south of San Diego, said Liza Davis, public affairs officer with the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana.
About 50 teenagers from two other facilities -- Casa de la Esperanza in Ensenada and Genesis in Rosarito, about 15 miles south of the U.S. border -- already had left Mexico on Saturday after the schools were closed, Davis said.
After a surprise inspection Friday of the three treatment centers for teenagers with behavior and drug-related problems, the Mexican immigration agency reported that four children at Casa by the Sea showed signs of physical and emotional mistreatment, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.
``At this point we don't have any substantiated cases of abuse,'' Davis said.
Casa by the Sea is operated by the Utah-based World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools and has been the subject of abuse allegations in the past.
``We're really at a loss right now to understand why the government would take such an irresponsible action,'' said association president Ken Kay. *He accused Mexican authorities of shutting down Casa by the Sea without first attempting to verify any abuse complaints.*
Other schools affiliated with Kay's group have run into problems. A school in Costa Rica eventually closed last year after visits by the Costa Rican child welfare agency. Previously, two other schools -- in the Czech Republic and Cancun, Mexico -- suddenly closed after they became the subjects of investigations.
Several local families whose children were sent to Casa by the Sea said they were surprised to hear the school had closed, since they and their children had had a positive experience with the program.
Juana and Alfonso Guevara of Sunnyvale, who sent their daughter to Casa by the Sea in 2002 after she threatened suicide, said they never heard any claims of mistreatment.
``When we put her into the facility we got a tour,'' Juana Guevara said. ``Of course you can't know everything that goes on. It appeared clean and neat. The children appeared to be fine.''
Chelsey Mahan, 18, of Saratoga, returned from Casa by the Sea less than a month ago after a *2 1/2-year stay.* It was a tough but good experience, she said.
``It was a program that helped us so much,'' Mahan said of her fellow students. ``I've never experienced any kind of abuse at all. The only thing I can think of is people would say that if they wanted to come home.''
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"First if the issue was terrorist threat dont you think that the Mexican Goverment would take credit for temorarly relocting the kids and state the was the reason why they was related to make themselves look even better in the mainstream public."
Surprise! The Mexican Government DID transport the remainder of the kids from Casa by the Sea last night to San Diego.
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Yes, we know.
WHY is the question.
Mx says because of abuse and neglect. One form of terrorism.
You say the other - Arabs, I suppose.
I think your an idiot.
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//I am not surprised that ISAC is taking credit for this! OMG! //
ISAC has only made a report on what is happening.
There has been no crowing about "credit" by anyone.
You sound a lot like Carey, with your "OMG" and your jumping to unwarranted conclusions.
I think you are also an idiot.
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Most program parents do not want their kid home. They are enjoying the peace and quiet.
The kids are being held at the Town and Country Hotel in San Diego. David Gilcrease (the WWASPS seminar person) is coordinating efforts to contact parents. An observer there says there is a lot of crying, as children learn that their parents don't want them back. Psychologist Roderick Hall, long a critic of Casa, as well as CPS is expected to intervene today.
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The police, CPS, news media, and a few children who have been exposed to wwasps are currently onsite.
The hotel management is requesting that they all leave & let wwasp handle their own problems. Of course they would...this is where they hold their "graduations". Can the hotel spell "revenue lose" anyway since CASA is no longer open!
Regards,
Lee
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The hotel management is requesting that they all leave & let wwasp handle their own problems. Of course they would...this is where they hold their "graduations".
Ha, its almost funny. Yes, naturally they are trying to help pull the covers over the mess.
I hear police are there; and I hope they inform those kids what their rights are under CA law.
I hope the press digs deeper than the well programed hand picked parents wwasp feeds them.
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Wow, someone is stepping in as soon as they got deported?
YES! Hopefully this will see the light of day!Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to
the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.
Daniel Webster
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***David Gilcrease (the WWASPS seminar person) is coordinating efforts to contact parents.
So, he's more than a consultant or workshop designer? Sounds like he's a staff member.
***An observer there says there is a lot of crying, as children learn that their parents don't want them back. Psychologist Roderick Hall, long a critic of Casa, as well as CPS is expected to intervene today.
That is so sad. I have to wonder if this is the stance the sheeple were told to take by W or if the parents truly do not want their kids back.
Either way, where are the child advocate attorneys helping file lawsuits against parents, and the program if they experienced abuse????
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P.O. Box 87131
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PHONE: 619-232-2121
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or anyone else we know in the San Diego area who will listen and tell them the where-abouts of all the kids removed from Mexico and what is going on at the Town and Country Motel Phone: 619-291-7131 address: 500 Hotel cir N. San Diego CA.
Lets see how the motel likes this. Maybe get everyone protesting at the motel? Also keep calling local law enforcement personnel http://www.sandiego.gov/police/ (http://www.sandiego.gov/police/)
DHS 1-800-527-3223 and anyone else who will listen and the motel where they are keeping the kids 619-291-7131 and telling them as long as they are harboring and protecting child abusers they will be no longer have your business and you will tell your friends not to go there either.[ This Message was edited by: Devlin on 2004-09-12 15:23 ]
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On 2004-09-12 14:49:00, Deborah wrote:
"***David Gilcrease (the WWASPS seminar person) is coordinating efforts to contact parents.
So, he's more than a consultant or workshop designer? Sounds like he's a staff member.
***An observer there says there is a lot of crying, as children learn that their parents don't want them back. Psychologist Roderick Hall, long a critic of Casa, as well as CPS is expected to intervene today.
That is so sad. I have to wonder if this is the stance the sheeple were told to take by W or if the parents truly do not want their kids back.
Either way, where are the child advocate attorneys helping file lawsuits against parents, and the program if they experienced abuse????
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As to Gilcrease, he is the designer of the seminars. Former HP software designer, devout Mormom, greedy bastard...what better credentials do you need? As to his "role" in WWASPS or TeenHelp or Resource Realizations [since renamed something], I can't say for sure. I know he is personally in attendance at a lot of seminars for parents. His picture is all over The Source magazine, hugging shoulders of beaming parents who seem absolutely flushed with validation. Since he is now at the Town and Country Hotel in Room 1010 and shepherding the Casa kids, one can only surmise that he is into the WWASPS corporate structure big-time (and has a lot to lose). Is he staff? What, exactly, is staff as compared to investor, etc.? Probably doesn't make any difference. I expect lawyer J. Atkins, the airline owner/aboriginal WWASPie, is also fuming and shuffling legal papers back at the Lichfield ranch.
And, yes, the brutal parents exist, and I don't even think WWASPS has to contact them to encourage them to continue their abandonment of their kids. They just have the accountant write another check for next month and leave the facility name blank for now.
The only way to stop this insanity, since evil parents will always exist, is to make it illegal to offer such services. Shut 'em down!
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do it up dev...i like your style...those kids need people like you on the outside helping...i'm sure any publicity would greatly be appreciated at this point
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There appears to be some erroneous (or at the least misleading) information in some newspaper articles that have been published in the U.S. concerning when the investigations took place concerning the closing of three Mexican facilities that included the closing of Genesis by the Sea.
For example, an A.P. article, dated Saturday, September 11, 2004, stated the following:
"Mexican immigration and health authorities carried out a surprise
inspection on Friday of the three treatment centers for teenagers
with behavior and drug-related problems."
It doesn't indiciate "which" "Friday" but leads readers to believe it was the most recent "Friday" which would be Friday, September 10, 2004 - since the article was published on Saturday, September 11, 2004.
I found an article that was run in a Tijuana, Mexico, newspaper concerning the closing of these facilities that was posted on the Internet on the morning of Thursday, September 9, 2004. If the article was published on Thursday morning, then the actions by the Mexican officials would assuredly have to have taken place PRIOR to Thursday, September 9, 2004. It is evidence that the "surprise inspections" took place prior to "Friday" September 10, 2004.
Below is the Tijuana newspaper article, written in Spanish, as it was published on Thursday, September 9, 2004. (Notice that the American articles avoided using the FULL name of GENESIS BY THE SEA, and merely refer to it as "Genesis", but the Mexican article DOES use the FULL name of the facility.)
Makes one wonder just how much was NOT reported or was INCORRECTLY reported by the U.S. media. :???: :???:
Following article can be found at: http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea ... Nota=56933 (http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea/nota.asp?NumNota=56933)
Señalan que eran maltratados
Atendían 3 clínicas a 590 ilegales de EU
Luis Adolfo San
lsan@frontera.info
Tijuana B.C.(PH)
El Instituto Nacional de Migración (INM) detectó a 589 estadounidenses y un salvadoreño que se encontraban ilegales en centros de rehabilitación de Ensenada y Rosarito y donde, aseguran, eran maltratados.
De acuerdo con información proporcionada por la delegación del INM en Baja California, hasta ayer por la noche a 49 se les había dictado oficio de salida del País y a uno más se le había expulsado, mientras que el resto aún tenían en proceso su situación.
El operativo comenzó a las 7:30 horas para verificar la situación migratoria de los internos y personal directivo de los centros de rehabilitación El Sauzal, Casa by the Sea, y La Esperanza, de Ensenada, y el Genesis By The Sea, de Rosarito.
En El Sauzal se localizó a 536 internos, de las cuales cuatro presentaron problemas por maltrato físico y emocional, una de ellas, de nacionalidad salvadoreña.
En La Esperanza se ubicó a 23 estadounidenses, 20 de ellos menores, quienes contaban con documentación migratoria irregular, así como a tres adultos, los cuales no tenían documentación migratoria, por lo que se les extendió un oficio de salida.
Al director de La Esperanza se le encontró una forma migratoria de turista, por lo que se le expulsó del País por realizar actividades distintas a las que declaró a su ingreso.
En el Centro de Rehabilitación Genesis By The Sea, de Rosarito, se encontró a 26 menores estadounidenses, a los que también se les dictó oficio de salida, mismos que fueron entregados a las autoridades migratorias estadounidenses en la garita de San Ysidro.
Al ser entrevistadas por las autoridades migratorias denunciaron maltrato físico y emocional por parte de los directivos del lugar.
En lo que toca a los menores del centro El Sauzal, la mayoría de éstos permanecerán en ese lugar, mismo que fue habilitado como albergue migratorio, en tanto son localizados sus padres.
El operativo se realizó debido a las múltiples denuncias ciudadanas sobre la presencia de extranjeros y sobre las presuntas acciones de maltrato físico y emocional a menores de edad en esos lugares.
En estos trabajos participaron, además del INM, el DIF estatal, Isesalud, Ministerio Público Federal, Ministerio Público Estatal del Fuero Común, Policía Estatal Preventiva (PEP), Secretaría de Educación Pública, y los ayuntamientos de Ensenada y Rosarito.
A los tres centros de rehabilitación se les dictó suspensión total temporal por el Isesalud, luego de haber detectado diversas irregularidades.
El INM aseguró que el operativo en conjunto se realizó con pleno respeto a los derechos humanos de las personas y se les proporcionó atención médica para verificar su estado de salud y, de ser necesario, brindarles la atención requerida.
El Consulado de Estados Unidos, a través de su vocera Lorena Blanco, informó que ofrecerá asistencia a los ciudadanos estadounidenses y vigilará que se respeten sus derechos humanos. A Ensenada acudió el cónsul de EU en Tijuana, David Stewart.
Nota Publicada: 11/9/2004 8:21 am
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----Original Message-----
From: Pastor Cookston [mailto:rcookston@starband.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:08 PM
To: 'Devlin Graves'
Subject: RE: Consider e-opening
Thank you for your love and concern, it will not be hard to comply to what
the government needs. See ya around!
Brother Cookston
-----Original Message-----
From: Devlin Graves [mailto:drgraves2@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:54 PM
To: rcookston@starband.net
Subject: Consider e-opening
if you re-open we will be watching you and reporting your every move to the
same mexican authorities that shut you down. The abuses that went on in
Genesis is unforgivable. Just stay shut down and you will be left alone. If
you attenpt to reopen God knows what may happen. Just rember what happend to
your friends at Mountain Park Academy. How many lawsuits do they currently
face??? 7
You want to go through the same thing they did. Just reappear on the radar
and it just may happen.
Dont think you are this big and high and mighty person and you have God on
your side. YOU DON'T!! If you think you are above reproach and we cant hurt
you, think again. Mountain Park Academy thought the same thing and look
where they are now? CLOSED!
Just stay closed and you will never hear or see me again. If not go ahead
and re-open and see what happends. If you want to know what will happen just
ask BOB WILLS, or SAM GERHARDT..
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How about DeSisto ran out of MA now full time in Mexico, no oversight, we worry about those kids anyone know anyone there?
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This is by far the best news we've had in many months! Over 500 children have been rescued from Casa by the Sea. Hopefully they will not be shipped off to another abusive facility like many of those at Dundee Ranch. Hopefully our government will follow the actions of the authorities in Mexico. If an alleged corrupt government can act in the best interest of children why can't the USA? It's time to inspect all the programs where accounts of abusive treatment have been reported.
Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
been able to determine that for themselves,
albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
individuals did not wish to break the law but
they had no choice.
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee
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I myself have wondered by other nations care about kids more than the USA.
Or OUR KIDS more than OURSELVES!
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okay so let me get this all straight...these programs in mexico have been shut down. Why and how?There is one program i want to see shut down in Mexico. I was there, i dont like pitty parties so i wont share details. It was hell though. So any way if I want this place to be shut down and the truth found out about it what do i have to do?can anyone help an anonymous soul such as mine?i would deeply appreciate it! ::heart::
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When i went to the desisto school in 81-82 in fla. I saw no abuse, just caring. Although there were rumors about Michael Deisto Being a pedoflie, which i'm not sure about, but he was very weird and died last year and mass. school now closed also.Fla. closed years ago. Don't know about mexican school or any abuse, but things can change in 20 something years.
The one who cares.
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On 2004-09-14 07:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
" okay so let me get this all straight...these programs in mexico have been shut down. Why and how?There is one program i want to see shut down in Mexico. I was there, i dont like pitty parties so i wont share details. It was hell though. So any way if I want this place to be shut down and the truth found out about it what do i have to do?can anyone help an anonymous soul such as mine?i would deeply appreciate it! ::heart:: "
Well, basically, if you want the story told then you have to tell your story. I'm not real big on pity parties either. You just have to blow those off.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The people who ran straight had the best of intentions. I hope they reached their destination.
James Lloyd
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Seems like anon is asking How its done. . .
I don't know if anyone knows just what made the difference al of a sudden with Casa and these others.
I mean, reports of horrible treatment at Casa have been coming in a steady stream for years.
It never seemed to move the Mexican's a bit.
Something changed - but what is still a mystery.
One can speculate. . .
Ken is complaining its a corrupt Mx government that is responsible.
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Kay has also learned that the decision to close down Casa-by-the-Sea and
two other schools in the Baja peninsula was taken by high level federal
officials in Mexico City. "This smells of politics and in Mexico, politics
has a very sour stench."
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Lets assume he knows a little something about this. Lets suppose this corrupt official in Mx city had upped the anti. Wanted a heavier bag under the table. Maybe Ken called their bluff and this is what it cost him???
Or maybe they finely caught on and realized the dog and pony show they got on every other inspection was just that - and so this time went in unannounced and saw what was to be seen. The 4 mystery kids might just have been the kids found in OP. This OP is about something you'd have to see to believe. Maybe they actually heard some screaming before the staff realized they were there.
Anyway - you see - its all just guess work at this point. In time there might be more definitive answers.
For now - why not file a report with ISAC if you have a story to tell, but want confidentiality?
http://isaccorp.org/ (http://isaccorp.org/)
Back to Ken -
I also found this of interest:
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"The irresponsible action of the Mexican authorities put American children
at huge risk," says Kay, who heads the World Wide Association of Specialty
Programs and Schools.
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Now, do you suppose he is truly oblivious to the fact it is WWASP who put the kids at risk?
And do you think he even considered the current situation in Jamaica as he weighed his words?[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2004-09-14 16:40 ]
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The Mexican government has covered up the abuse at Casa by the Sea for years. Bob Lichfield is known for giving huge political contributions (BRIBES) to politicians in Utah so it wouldn't be surprising if he was doing the same in Mexico. Just look at Lichfield at http://www.opensecrets.org (http://www.opensecrets.org)
You'll see nearly $300K in contibutions. It's also been reported that the administrator of Dundee Ranch, Narvin LICHFIELD, brother of Robert (BOB), also gave political contributions to the president of Costa Rica. He appealed to him after his arrest for child abuse and endangerment after authorities raided that facility. It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson
[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-09-14 18:40 ]
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We get parents calling us all the time, we highly, strongly reccomend that if they have to send their child/adolescent into residential treatment that it be in their own state, where they can monitor, be involved, and know their rights and their child's rights. We advise parents NEVER to send their children out of the Country, oh my gosh what could happen if they ran, some of the countries where these programs run are poor, have no real laws, etc., and no protection for the kids. The state department doesn't really want to get involved either. I know parents become desperate but I also think some places prey on this, sell them ocean front property in Arizona when they are vulnerable. And I am inclined to think that Transporters should be or are illegal, when you handcuff a child even with parents permission what is the difference if you are not a law enforcement officer and the parent, who ties their child up in the house, or handcuffs them to something. It is considered child abuse in most states.
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On 2004-09-14 19:07:00, PFRR wrote:
when you handcuff a child even with parents permission what is the difference if you are not a law enforcement officer
That's a core logical paradox. We all know, at least on some level, that we can't delegate authority that we don't have ourselves, right? Like, if you want someone dead but don't have the nutz to kill them, hiring a hitman is just as illegal as doing it yourself, right?
But, somehow, our society has lost touch w/ reality. Certainly, you know you can't handcuff your kid or deprive them of sleep or keep them locked in a room or any of the other things the Program does to control them. But, somehow, we think it's OK to hire someone to do these things for us? That, if they bill themselves as professionals, then it's alright?
Parents and law enforcement buy into this bullshit paradox.
Why? That's the million dollar question.Any policy that has Ted Byfield on the same side as many Rastafarians can fairly be said to have generated a consensus.
-- Ottawa Citizen August 28, 1997
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Part of the answer is the parents do not know thats what they're paying for.
AND, they don't believe it when you tell them.
After all - it IS hard to believe.
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I know at least one parent who smelled something fishy and saved her kid from a facility...
Why is everyone so unskeptical and trusting? We're trying to warn you, not keep your kid and charge exorbitant amounts of money!!! We have NOTHING to gain but peace of mind and your childs wellbeing by telling you this!!
They have a LOT of reasons to lie if they ARE doing this. I think they WANT to buy into it or succumb to the brainwashing themselves. They certainly can from those damn seminars.
I read a website for some 'quantum coaches' and they talk about their 'program children' and it really really freaks me out BAD. "Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."
--William S. Burroughs
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Does any one know any thing about other programs in Mexico that are still in the running? ALA?! Any chance at all? ::heart::
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There's Pacific View Retreat (WWASP) in Ensenada.
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I believe that Pacific View Retreat (WWASPS) in Ensenada is for over-18's. IOW, it is the "secondary" placement for kids still enough under the Program's or their parent's influence that they move on to this small facility. Parents still have to fork over big bucks, but some apparently don't trust their kids, even after 18, enough to let them come home or go to college or whatever.
One scary thought: a large number of "successful" WWASPS graduates go to work in program-type occupations...escorts, counselors, recruiters. A few graduates posting in The Source say they are completing college courses geared toward a psych degree. Wouldn't you hate to inadvertently send your troubled teen to a psychologist whose life-forming experience was in WWASPS?????
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There are also those kids whose parents manage to get a court order keeping them in the program even after they turn 18. They are often transferred to Pacific View.
I agree with spots-- the thought of a WWASP-educated psychologist is scary. BTW, I believe that the reason so many of them are going into this field is due to the all-important objective of cult expansion. In a few short years, they will use their degrees to recruit new members into their insane cult.
Another abusive facility in Mexico that should be shut down in Positive Impact.
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These psychologists who work at the "tough love" torture academies often look the other way when abuse occurs. They are a huge part of the overall problem. They are breaching their professional duties under law and many deserve to have their licenses to practice revoked.
In God's wildness lies the hope of the world x the great fresh unblighted, unredeemed wilderness. The galling harness of civilization drops off, and wounds heal ere we are aware.
-- John Muir
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The program i was in had girls and guy tell all kinds of stories about big tough guys coming and hand cuffing them and lierally draging them out of their house.while they kick and scream..Now want to know is where are the parents when this happens? some say they went out so they dont have to listen to their kids screaming.One girl said that her uncle was just in his room.That makes a kid feel real special and loved.I dont know i think its just wrong. if you think your kid needs to be in a place like that have the balls to take them your self and the check the place out!!! ::heart::
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Hello - and what does Mexico get out of this? Wellll - How about 3 complete school campus, and computers, and everyone's belongings that were left behind. They were so worried about abuse that they made some girls at Genesis take off their shoes and leave them there! This after they separated the teachers, and then students were separated according to who would lie and say they were abused. The girls who went along and agreed they were abused, received water and food all day, the other girls - little food, no water and no bathroom privledges from 8am - 8 pm. Come on - folks, this after being invaded by 40 Federales in full uniform - guns, and billieclubs, and another 20 or so at the gates. All for 26 teen girls, and 6 pastor/teachers. Wow they were really a threat! And the shoes were removed because they might have something hidden in them!! Hello - are we talking teen criminals, or abused children? The Mexican gov't did all the abusing at this school - and it is totally ridiculous that they are being allowed to get away with it! Then of course - because they were such a high risk - they were escorted from Rosarito Beach to the border in a bus, by 10 police cars with lights a flashing!! Wow - what was that all about? This isn't even 1/2 of what went on with the Mexican Gov't , and our American Consulate - who supposedly " Did not have a clue"!
How be some of us ask our American Gov't for a full accounting of where all of the assets are going? This is like a "free pass" for the Baja area - they now have 3 new schools - fully equipped!
Just a grandmother who heard 1'st hand exactly what went on down there!
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First hand? I don't know about your allegations regarding the Mexican gov't, but in terms of them confiscating the 'goods'... I guess it could be considered the price of (consequence for) doing business illegally in Mexico. I imagine that they aren't enjoying having their arrogant and defiant behavior modified.
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You ought to see what we do to Mexican illegals. Never mind how we deal with nutty religious cults!
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The government of Mexico has the right to decide who they want in their country. The whole Casa boondoggle has always seemed remarkably cavalier about getting the proper documents and approval for individual kids to actually move to Mexico and live there and go to school there.
The general impression I've gotten from the various discussions, including from the pro-program posters on this forum, has always been that they thought Mexico was a backward little country where they could basically get away with doing whatever they wanted.
Well, they found out otherwise.
You go to a country illegally and stay there illegally, it just naturally follows that sometimes when you become a nuisance there you get deported.
If Mexico doesn't *want* facilities like Casa in it's country, Mexico has the complete sovereign right not to allow those facilities to do business in its country.
WWASPS seemed to think they were above the law. They found out otherwise.
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Timoclea
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As to what the Mexican government hoped to gain...physically...by closing Casa?
ISAC has documentation about the assets of WWASPS schools, which I believe. The company has expanded so rapidly with virtually zero capitalization because it leases EVERYTHING. The crumbling failed hotel that was Casa is on a poor piece of land, a skinny cliffside stretch between a freeway and a steep drop to the beach. It's not even a nice beach. And, it's 12 miles or so outside of Ensenada, with no services (restaurants, resort amenities, transportation) around. It *failed* as a hotel, folks, and it's still a failure. The important thing is that WWASPS didn't buy it or improve it. They just leased it, so it must still belong to the same Mexican businessmen it always did. The old hotel is an adobe strip motel, circa 1960, and they have added many trailers for dorms, at least in the girls' area (leased?). WWASPS leases their computers, their sorry metal bunkbeds, the crude picnic tables in the cafeteria...and even the staff, which is "leased" by way of a temporary-help agency. I have friends in Ensenada who work for an agency that supplies workers to many of the ex-patriot American schools and compounds. WWASPS doesn't even have any *real* employees at their outlying locations.
I understand the family owning the Dundee site in Costa Rica forgave purchase of the site in exchange for WWASPS help in jump-starting a monied American presence on the West Slopes, because eco-tourism wasn't cutting it for them. Again, a failed hotel sat mouldering, a tiny chunk of the vast landholdings of this family. The kids were crammed 12 to a hotel room...weren't they, Karen? When the water system linked to the town failed, Lichfield either didn't want to (or couldn't afford) to fix it. He used the Dundee well, and made everybody sick.
There's no "angels" waiting with open wallets to fork over the hundreds of thousands needed to bring these old hotels up to standard. Do you suppose insurance is going to pay for rebuilding Tranquility Bay? Maybe, but working those kids is more than "therapy": it is cheap labor without spending any of the $70 million annual income (which has been documented as having 75% of foreign tuition off the top go to Utah, with the remaining 25%...still a big chunk...going to the local facility).
When the San Diego Union-Tribune wrote the story about Casa kids getting off buses after having been deported, the sappy reporter mentioned the sad little item about them arriving with only what they could carry in laundry baskets. Well, hello!...that's all they had at Casa. Lower Levels have a small plastic laundry basket they shove under their bunks...all their worldly possessions like bar soap, toothbrushes, paperback books, underwear. One of the priveleges of Upper Level is a larger laundry basket. Apparently the grandmother with first-hand information failed to determine just what "all their belongings" left behind constituted.
From pictures taken at the Casa gates, it would appear the Mexican police ("federales"??) stationed about 5 or 6 officers at the entrance, maintaining order while parents picked up children, officials moved boxes of papers, etc. Let's see, with 538 kids being moved, a squadron of 40 cops equals about 10 or 12 kids per cop, which I think is pretty appropriate for authorities wanting the smoothest, least terrifying deportation. Would this grandmother be happier with a dozen cops marching the kids with machine guns off to the buses? BTW, guns and billieclubs (sic) are part of the uniform of law enforcement, even in the US.
WWASPS took over an abandoned "insane asylum" in Iowa, and you can bet they didn't purchase it outright. The closed Bell Academy in Victorville was still in escrow as a lease when the country wisely shut it down for using kids to remove asbestos and other bad stuff from yet another shabby WWASPS facility. St. Elizabeth in Jamaica is a very out-of-the-way village beyond usual tourist visits, and it also has...ta-da!...a failed hotel. Wonder if Jamaica is calculating closing this school so the government can take over the lease that WWASPS probably holds.
The problem with all these locations is that nobody wanted them in the first place. These are LOSER resorts, and no government is going to plot a closure in order to confiscate crumbling hovels.
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Some times the ignorance of the uninformed is insufferable and I am continually amazed to the level of it in this forum. So many people post here on things they know nothing about but because it fits their own ideological agenda slander is pursued with religious fever... The ends some how justifies the means however untrue or inaccurate if you will. As a former staff at Dundee here are the facts from one who was there first hand and a up-date on what's the latest on the Dundee fiasco so he who has ears let him hear the truth.. We are expecting a complete clearing of Dundee by the fiscalias almost 2 year investigation to even see if there was a case to pursue of abuse at Dundee. This is supposed to be completed by the end of the month. Narvin Lichfield has never been formally charged of anything and in Costa Rica even though he was imprisoned overnight and slandered and defamed by almost ever newspaper in the world over the Actions of Mr. Vargas, the temporary since fired soon to be sued fiscal.. A fiscal can arrest anyone for 24 hours with no evidence but a hearsay accusation a part of Neapolitan law often used inappropriately by prosecutors in Latin America to label the accused and thus provide themselves cover for any abuse of the law like was clearly the case with Vargas and Dundee. (There is no accusations in the complete legal file or has never been any allegation that Narvin personally ever abused any child in our care)...As far as accusations of abuse at Dundee please note the article below on one Bruce Harris and then the posts and threads of "Amberly Lied"... This Mr. Harris was the person that was our main accuser even though he never had set foot on our campus or spoke to our students and staff. Mr. Harris made international news with claims of abuse of a girl at Dundee and pushed Vargas to re-review the original complaint that had been wisely shelved by the original and current fiscalia as what it was; simple hearsay by a non-custodial parent trying to subvert US law and take custody illegally like Carrie Brock, with allegations of abuse that her own daughter Nichole later denied before the judge right before the Vargas action. This same judge who was the legal authority not Vargas, who usurped her authority, as she demanded Vargas to stop before he started the now infamous riots . . I am looking forward to how this will all shake out; as the truth of this whole fiasco finally comes to light that Dundee though imperfect provided great services for the students in their care. As the U.S consulate General Ms Robin Morritz wrote to one of the parents as amberly knight began her fables "I know the staff at Dundee truly cares for the students in their care" Dundee and Narvin Lichfield was falsely accused and crucified by a press all too willing to print the salacious accusations of people of questionable character and dubious intent. Why??? Because it sells... Newspapers or magazines or whatever you choose. It?s the very nature of slanderous gossip its seductive and profitable and obviously practiced by allot of people for fun just take a look at this forum for validation of this. Ultimately though people like Bruce Harris, Vargas and amberly knight are living in houses made of glass and in time as we have said here from the start almost 2 years ago the truth will reveal them for who they really are. Karma has away of catching up with us all for what we send out is what we get in return and Mr. Harris has just learned this first hand. The accuser is now the accused and these other folks in time will have their day.
"People who live in glass houses ought not to throw rocks"
Covenant House fires its Central American program director
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> By FREDDY CUEVAS
> Associated Press Writer
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> September 17, 2004, 10:56 PM EDT
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> TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras -- The director of Casa Alianza, a Covenant House
program that is Central America's most important children's rights
organization, has been fired because of a relationship with a boy the
organization had once helped.
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> Bruce Harris, the regional director of Casa Alianza, "recently paid for
sexual favors from a 19-year-old Honduran youth" who had been a resident of
the organization's shelter until near the end of 2002, according to a
statement released Friday by Covenant House, Casa Alianza's parent
organization.
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> The encounter took place in a hotel room in Tegucigalpa, the Honduran
capital, the statement said. "Mr. Harris had admitted that he acted
incorrectly," it continued.
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> Honduran prosecutors were investigating and Casa Alianza, based in the
Costa Rican capital of San Jose, was cooperating, according to Covenant
House.
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> Harris, 49, said in a letter released Thursday that he was leaving Casa
Alianza to spend more time with his family. In an e-mail to The Associated
Press late Friday, he declined to give details about the case, but said he
was "at the disposition" of investigators.
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> "Sheltering behind a lie has never been my way, so I assume, as I always
have done, responsibility for my acts, correct or incorrect," Harris wrote.
"I do not want to have the boys and girls served by Casa Alianza pay for my
private life."
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> In its statement, Covenant House said Pedro Fragoso, Casa Alianza's
director of internal auditing, had been tapped to replace Harris
temporarily.
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> Covenant House spokesman Richard Hirsch said the agency's board met late
Thursday and decided to set up a committee to carry out an independent
investigation of the charges against Harris.
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> "We're a child care agency, our primary concern has to be the good of the
children," he said. "When there's any question about that, we really have to
step back and look at" the situation.
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> "The program is not one individual, it's all these people who work to
assist young people," Hirsch added.
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> The news was a blow to an organization which has crusaded for the rights
of poor, abused and abandoned youth throughout Central America and which had
demanded that police crack down on sexual tourism by foreigners who had
preyed upon youths in the area.
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> Casa Alianza worked with governments throughout the region to rescue
homeless youngsters who had been forced into prostitution rings or the
illicit drug trade. It even helped authorities in some countries organize
sting operations designed to catch police officers and other adults abusing
street children.
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> The British-born Harris was well-known throughout Latin America as an
outspoken defender of children's rights.
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> In January, a Guatemala court ruled prosecutors had failed to prove Harris
intended to damage or defame the wife of a Supreme Court justice when he
wrote about alleged influence-trafficking in adoption cases in 1997.
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> Covenant House says it is the largest privately funded child-care agency
in the United States providing shelter and service to homeless and runaway
youth.
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> In 1989, a former male prostitute said he had an affair with Covenant
House's founder, the late Rev. Bruce Ritter. Several other young men at
Covenant House also accused the Franciscan priest of seducing them.
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> Ritter denied the charges, but was ordered to take a leave of absence when
questionable financial transactions surfaced. He later resigned.
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> The Covenant House board eventually found no serious financial
impropriety, but extensive evidence of sexual misconduct. Ritter, who died
in 1999, was never charged with any criminal wrongdoing.
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> Copyright (c) 2004, The Associated Press
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> This article originally appeared at:
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http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ ... ional-wire (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--honduras-children0917sep17,0,5784678.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire)
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> Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com (http://www.newsday.com)
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the truth will reveal them for who they really are. Karma has away of catching up with us all for what we send out is what we get in return ... The accuser is now the accused and these other folks in time will have their day.
Agreed.
The truth about WWASP is already being revealed. Karma does have a way of catching up with people. Each and every WWASPie will get what they deserve in hell for abusing, torturing, and psychologically murdering thousands of children.
Justice will be served. WWASP is going down.
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Man get a life...
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You sound like some born again preacher...all wwaspies go to hell if they haven't accepted Isaac or whatever child advocate position your pushing as the true gospel.. Your speech betrays thee and shows the transparent lunacy of your ideology....Oh and by the way like I said earlier get a real life....
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Carey
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From what I?ve heard from Sue, it might be a good idea to involve other parents and focus on the abuse and mistreatment. I was not speaking to that because I had not witnessed it.
Your reality Anon is so warped. Amberly said this. She said she had not witnessed abuse and mistreatment. How is it that you see that as not going into more detail.
Have you seen the three different sworn statements that Amberly has made? None of them are the same. How do you explain that? She admits in this email that she had not witnessed any abuse. However, she hooks up with Sue and hears Sue's accounts of abuse, then her sworn statment changes.
Amberly has three statements that she has released, one in the court case of a child at Dundee that I spoke of on an earlier thread, another she sent to the PANI and the third that she gave to Sue for her to use in her case against WWASP. They are all different. Why? Especially why have they changed so drastically since her hooking up with Sue?
Are you calling me a lunatic because I am sharing this info? Are you calling me a lunatic because it contradicts what you would like for everyone to beleive? Why are you calling me a lunatic, is it because that is all you know to do?
One thing you are right about, I did flip when I saw the third document. You know why? Because she lies. If you have three totally different sworn statements and they are all different, well then, two of them, or maybe even all three of them are a lies. How do you know when she is telling the truth? Is it when she tells what you what you want to hear? Well for me that is not good enough. I want to know what the truth is, not because it is what I want to hear but because it is the truth, and I can tell you this, I don't think what she tells as the truth can ever be beleived. Her version of the truth changes depending on who she is telling it for.
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On 2004-09-27 01:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You sound like some born again preacher...all wwaspies go to hell if they haven't accepted Isaac or whatever child advocate position your pushing as the true gospel.. Your speech betrays thee and shows the transparent lunacy of your ideology....Oh and by the way like I said earlier get a real life...."
I have a life. It doesn't include complacently ignoring it when groups of greedy folks scam desperate but hysterical parents out of their kids' college funds, and then mistreat the kids.
Timoclea
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Karen? When the water system linked to the town failed, Lichfield either didn't want to (or couldn't afford) to fix it. He used the Dundee well, and made everybody sick.
Yep. To right.
Nearly killed my kid from the sound of it. Blowing from both ends; rash; shortness of breath.
He wrote me a long email discribing it.
But the odd thing was, I didn't get the email until a month or so after he wrote it.
It was Nate's account of this illness and the "bunch of shots" the nurse at Dundee gave him which put him to sleep. It somehow never got sent. Can't imagian why. . .
And I don't know how or why it got sent when it did. I have wondered about that. I had already pulled Nate. . .I wonder if someone felt I ought to know and sence he was already gone. . .But I don't know.
When I called to ask about it - whats up with this - I was told it was a reaction to eating a tomatto - and nobody knew anything about any shots.
What a crock.
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One correction.
The water didn't fail.
He didn't want to pay for it. The city water was to expensive. So they cut it off and gave the kids untreated well water. The parents were not informed of this money saving switch; or the consequences to the kids health. The kids were told they had the Costa Rican flu.
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Date Posted: 21:41:42 07/15/03 Tue
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I've noticed a lot of parents and some program "brainwashed" kids themselves have defended the programs. Maybe they did you some good. But think of all of the kids it damaged. WWASP would never even think to show you the downside to their program - of course not. We children and parents have to create our own anti-wwasp webpages, which are in fact getting taken down more and more every day by WWASP itself. Has anybody noticed how some websites you can't access which are anti-wwasp? Or how one website may be there one day, and then gone the next. Yes, the programs may do some good, but it certainly has done it's share of bad. It has taken it's toll on me. I was at Casa by the Sea for four months for disrespect to parents. I've been back for about six months now. I have nightmares almost every other night about being chased down by a staff member at Casa, or being trapped and having no control. Even about being murdered while on the facility. It haunts me day and night. Until I turned 18, I was living in fear constantly, not knowing if they'd send me there again or not. For four months I had no physical contact, and I was emotionally starved. I felt beaten emotionally, and abandoned. I was told daily how I wasn't wanted, and my family was on vacation without me. How they didn't even care if I wasn't home. We would be sent to R&R for such small things as talking to someone. At R&R we would have to sit on the ground with our back straight and stare at the wall for hours at a time, putting much strain on the lower back. Sometimes you would even be thrown on the ground and sat on. The seminars themselves I can honestly say have scarred my for life. I was forced to stand up in front of 200 teenage strangers and admit my most deepest darkest secret. I felt naked, alone, and so incredibly vulnerable. I would be watched constantly, even when I showered and slept, and I felt like some cow part of a cattle on a demonic ranch. There wasn't a night I would cry myself to sleep. I'd drag myself through the day, and thoughts of suicide would haunt me every hour. I don't think I can ever experience anything worse. As far as it helping me? It didn't. I am just as distant from my parents as before, except with more fear, loneliness and anger built up on top of that. They have apologized repeatedly for sending me there, and yet it's still hard to believe that the two people I love the most in this world could have done something like this. There is nothing horrible enough in this world to deserve getting sent to a place like that. If you call this help, then please, don't ever try to help me. There were no treatment programs for drug users. A rehab would have been better. Withdrawal symptoms combined with abondonment just made people depressed and reserved. As far as parent/child relationships go - you'll have your kid begging to bring you home, telling you good things. But the longer they stay, the more anger is built. And as soon as they come home, all these issues come out of nowhere. It's a damaging place. Maybe it does do some good, but not for everyone. They don't decline anyone access. They want your money so bad they'll tell you anything to get your kid in there. Anti-social? Drug-user? Smart-mouth? Bad-grades? We'll take them. It's awful. Getting sent to a program for staying out past curfew for an hour two nights in a row? It's ridiculous. Even if you seem like your kid is out of control, there ARE better options, I promise you. This place is hell on earth - take it from a scarred survivor of a program. Read my experiences at: http://www.freerick.org/blog/carcar716/casaentries.txt (http://www.freerick.org/blog/carcar716/casaentries.txt) It's a journal I kept while at the program, I think you'll understand fully how dangerous these types of places can be.
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How come when a kid is accused of being oppositional or defiant by one parent, it's an open and shut case, the kid is at fault. But when WWASP (and their forerunners) are repeatedly, constantly accused of child abuse by a broad variety of people, it's all just a pack of dirty rotten lies and slander?
Again and again and again and again until, finally, the general public gets up to speed on this particular brand of snake oil.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use
--Galileo Galilei
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Ginger: I think it's because the kid is not raking in money hand over fist to be oppositional and defiant, while WWASPS is raking in money hand over fist warehousing these kids in the cheapest way possible. Obviously, the kid has *much* more incentive to lie. Sure.
Timoclea