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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 09, 2004, 11:02:00 AM
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A category 5 hurricane is racing toward Jamaica.
It makes ya wonder what the owners of that hell-hole on earth camp are doing to protect the physical well being of those kids. Americans have been urged to evacuate that island, meanwhile these 'hereyoufixmykid' "parents" probably aren't even worried. I mean why would they be?
I hope those kids are okay. I know when they eventually leave that island (emotionally scarred) I wonder years down the road when it is their turn to take care of their "parents", how all that is going to work out?
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I wonder years down the road when it is their turn to take care of their "parents", how all that is going to work out?
Cheap shot.
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On 2004-09-09 08:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
Cheap shot. "
I don't think so, I wouldn't want to be an 80 year old YOU in a nursing depending on a kid I once put in TB.
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Its not a cheep shot. Its something to take seriously.
But the issue here is:
What is WWASP doing to protect the kids from this storm?
So WWASP - clue us in.
How do you batten down the hatches at TB in a catagory 5 storm?
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On 2004-09-09 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its not a cheep shot. Its something to take seriously.
But the issue here is:
What is WWASP doing to protect the kids from this storm?
So WWASP - clue us in.
How do you batten down the hatches at TB in a catagory 5 storm?
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::rocker:: ::rocker:: THANK YOU THANK YOU
I couldn't of put it better...WELL said!!!
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Regardless of who cares for whom & how old they are is not the point at this particular moment! Just MY POV!!!
The safety of the children is in question...I really do wonder if the U.S. Embassy is doing anything right now to protect those children currently at TB.
Maybe someone should be contacting them pertaining to the weather issues at hand? The Embassy has been contacted before pertaining to the children's safety alone, prior to any of these current weather conditions; but to no avail. According to the WWASP contract, the school is not responsible in any situation like this.
So the children are basically on their own!!!
I'll bet this makes a bunch of parents proud of their decision to send a child to a foreign country?
This alone should deter people from sending children abroad? Not to mention all of the allegations these bogus "behavioral modification schools" have currently levied against them by numerous former inmates.
PARENTS FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR CHILDREN...PLEASE CONSIDER RETURNING THEM TO THEIR HOMES FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY & YOUR PIECE OF MIND... :cry:
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On the positive side, it might provide the opportunity for a mass escape.
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Hurricane forces juvenile jail to close; teens released...
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/cont ... teens.html (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/content/news/epaper/2004/09/10/teens.html)
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That was my post above...forgot to sign in. Was reading the news paper online & noticed this title & link. for some reason or another I can't get it to open???
However, it does sound interesting...
Regards,
turbinekat
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Heard on CNN that Ivan blew away a prison in Guam and the prisoners got away.
Here is the above story:
Juvenile jail closing forces release of teens
Palm Beach Post Staff Report
Thursday, September 09, 2004
Some teens arrested in the aftermath of Hurricane Frances caught a break this week, as the local jail for juveniles was closed down and court officials released them to their parents instead of finding beds for them.
The Juvenile Assessment Center, the teenage equivalent of the Palm Beach County Jail, was closed down until Thursday. Before it reopened, teens charged with serious crimes were shipped to similar facilities in Broward and Miami-Dade counties.
But to ease the overcrowding affecting many South Florida facilities, court officials decided to let some kids who would usually be held in the JAC go home with their parents.
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POPULAR PAGES "We're open to anything right now to ease the jail pressure," said Circuit Judge Nelson Bailey.
Bailey assured that all juveniles made at least one appearance before a judge to ensure they had somewhere to go and someone to go home with. If the teens were brought in after curfew hours, they remained held until daylight.
And in some cases where officials wanted to release the teens, Bailey said they couldn't because they couldn't reach their parents.
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//Heard on CNN that Ivan blew away a prison in Guam and the prisoners got away.//
it was Granada, not gaum. But a prison did blow down.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WEATHER/09/09/h ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WEATHER/09/09/hurricane.ivan.ap/index.html)
//The most powerful hurricane to hit the Caribbean in 10 years damaged 90 percent of the homes in Grenada, killing 13 people there, and destroyed a 17th century stone prison that left criminals on the loose, officials said//
Devastating Hurricane Ivan eyes Jamaica
Florida Keys tourists ordered out
Thursday, September 9, 2004 Posted: 5:27 PM EDT (2127 GMT)
ST. GEORGE'S, Grenada (AP) -- Hurricane Ivan intensified Thursday, heading straight for Jamaica and possibly Florida with 160 mph winds after it killed at least 20 people while pummeling Grenada, Barbados and other islands. Foreigners began fleeing Jamaica, and U.S. officials ordered people to evacuate the Florida Keys.
Widespread looting erupted in St. George's, Grenada's capital, and dazed survivors picked through debris and tried to salvage remnants left by the storm. An Associated Press reporter watched people taking televisions and shopping carts of food from warehouses.
Troops from other Caribbean nations were on the way to help restore order in Grenada, where the country's police commissioner said every police station was damaged.
The most powerful hurricane to hit the Caribbean in 10 years damaged 90 percent of the homes in Grenada, killing 13 people there, and destroyed a 17th century stone prison that left criminals on the loose, officials said.
Ivan was expected to reach Jamaica by Friday and Cuba by the weekend, the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami said.
Tourists and residents also were told to evacuate the Florida Keys because Ivan could hit the island chain by Sunday. It was the third evacuation ordered there in a month, following Hurricane Charley and hard on the heels of Hurricane Frances.
Hurricane Ivan strengthened early Thursday to become a Category 4 on a scale of 5. It packed sustained winds of 150 mph with higher gusts as it passed north of the Dutch Caribbean islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao.
Four children also drowned after they were swept into the sea from a beach in Santo Domingo, capital of the Dominican Republic, nearly
"The children were in front of the sea when it seems a gigantic wave dragged them into the Caribbean Sea," said Jose Luis German, a spokesman for the National Emergency Commission. Authorities there closed part of the seaside Malecon drive, where massive waves washed over the road.
Jamaican leader P.J. Patterson urged his people to pray.
"We have to prepare for the worst case scenario. Let us pray for God's care," Patterson said Wednesday night. "This is a time that we must demonstrate that we are indeed our brothers' and sisters' keeper."
Amy White, a 29-year-old American living in Jamaica, was planning to fly out of the island Thursday morning for her parents' house in Monroe, New Jersey
"They got worried so they said they wanted me to come home," said White, a marketing manager for a clothing apparel company in Kingston, the Jamaican capital. "I've never been in a hurricane like this before. I feel like it's fate so I'm gonna go."
At Kingston's international airport, dozens of foreigners lined up to get off the island.
"We were going to stick it out but the company I work for told everybody to evacuate," said Dennis Hennessey, 39, a building contractor from Essex Junction, Vermont, who was helping build the new U.S. Embassy in Kingston.
"They say Jamaica is a blessed place, and I hope it is," he said.
Death, destruction in Grenada
On Tuesday, Ivan pummeled Grenada, Barbados and other southern islands and killed three people in Barbados, Tobago and Venezuela.
Details on the extent of the death and destruction in Grenada did not emerge until Wednesday because the storm cut all communications with the country of 100,000 people, and halted radio transmissions on the island.
"We are terribly devastated ... It's beyond imagination," Grenada's Prime Minister Keith Mitchell told his people and the world on Wednesday from aboard a British Royal Navy vessel that rushed to the rescue.
The United States declared Grenada a disaster area, allowing the immediate release of $50,000 for emergency relief.
"This is just a jump start," said spokesman Jose Fuentes of the U.S. Agency for International Development in Washington, which has four members on the ground in Grenada. "As soon as the initial assessment is done we'll be sending more aid."
British Royal Navy crews from two ships said Thursday they have cleared the damaged and flooded airport runway outside St. George's and that emergency relief flights were starting to arrive in the former colony.
The British sailors brought body bags ashore and performed some emergency surgery.
"We were saving lives yesterday, with many of my sailors ashore doing a lot of good work with people who had suffered quite terribly," Royal Navy Commander Mike McCartain said in an interview released by Britain's Ministry of Defense.
Mitchell confirmed that the island's 17th century stone prison was "completely devastated" allowing convicts to escape, including politicians jailed for 20 years for killings in a 1983 left-wing palace coup that led the United States to invade.
Grenada is known as a major world producer of nutmeg and for the U.S. invasion that followed the coup, when American officials had determined Grenada's airport was going to become a joint Cuban-Soviet base. Cuba said it was helping build the airport for civilian use. Nineteen Americans died in the fighting and a disputed number of others that the United States put at 45 Grenadians and 24 Cubans.
Mitchell, whose own home was flattened, said he feared the death toll would rise and much of the country's agriculture had been destroyed, including the nutmeg crop.
U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard said virtually every major building in St. George's has suffered structural damage and that the United Nations was sending a disaster team. Grenada's once-quaint capital boasted English Georgian and French provincial buildings.
"It looks like a landslide happened," said Nicole Organ, a 21-year-old veterinary student from Toronto at St. George's University, which overlooks the Grenadian capital. "There are all these colors coming down the mountainside -- sheets of metal, pieces of shacks, roofs came off in layers."
Students there, mostly Americans, were arming themselves with knives, sticks and pepper spray against looters, said Sonya Lazarevic, 36, from New York City. "We don't feel safe," she said on a bad telephone line.
When Organ wandered downtown after the hurricane passed, she said she saw bands of men carrying machetes looting a hardware store. She said she saw a bank with glass facade intact on her way down that was totally smashed when she returned.
In St. George's, looters smashed shop windows and cleared out a huge dry goods warehouse filled with rice, sugar, flour, butter and soap.
Damage widespread in other places
Elsewhere, Ivan pulverized concrete homes into piles of rubble and tore away hundreds of landmark red zinc roofs.
Its howling winds and drenching rains also flooded parts of Venezuela's north coast, and a 32-year-old man died after battering waves engulfed a kiosk.
In Tobago, officials reported a 32-year-old pregnant woman died when a 40-foot palm tree fell into her home, pinning her to her bed.
A 75-year-old Canadian woman was found drowned in a canal swollen by flood waters in Barbados. Neighbors said the Toronto native, who had lived in Barbados for 30 years, braved the storm to search for her cat.
A meteorologist at the Miami center, Hugh Cobb, said that if Ivan hits Jamaica, it could be more destructive than Hurricane Gilbert, which was only Category 3 when it devastated the island in 1988.
Jamaica posted a hurricane warning Thursday morning. Government schools were closed and fishermen advised to pull their skiffs ashore and head for dry land. Haiti's southwest remained on hurricane watch and tropical storm warning. Dominican Republic was under hurricane watch and tropical storm warning for the Barahona peninsula with a tropical storm watch over the southwest coast. Cayman Islands posted a hurricane watch as did Cuba for central and eastern parts of the island.
At 5 p.m. EDT, Ivan was centered about 350 miles southeast of Kingston, Jamaica. Hurricane-force winds extended up to 35 miles and tropical storm-force winds another 175 miles. Ivan was moving west-northwest at 15 mph.
The U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami warned it was riling large and dangerous battering waves and rain that could cause life-threatening flash floods and mudslides.
Ivan became the fourth major hurricane of a busy Atlantic season Sunday.
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Now, back to some important questions. Does everyone think the children currently under a certain "behavioral modification program" are being cared for properly prior to a hurricane?
Should these children be sent home?
Does the U.S. Embassy now represent these kids once "BMP" washes their hands of them?
When & or if the Embassy should step in & become involved?
At what point should they be considered in harms way?
Regards,
turbinekat
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Hurrican Annie hits TB Tonight
In addition to Shelby and Tim, a british mom who pulled her son from TB this morning, after an unannounced visit.
Go to the archives and select the Family Hub program.
1. This Thursday Evening, September 09, 2004 @ 5pm Pacific Standard Time: PREMIERE of Family Hub Series - Part 1:
Parental Discretion is Advised.
Topic: Behavior Modification Programs - What you DON'T know!
http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=2259 (http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=2259)
Parents, this is definitely the program for you. Tune in today and find out the truth about what really occurs in behavior modification programs,
boot camps, wilderness camps, and drug rehabs. Can such facilities be considered as cults, and/or involved in cult-like activities?
What ?treatments? are really being offered at these centers? Are your children being ?treated? or ?abused??
Do children commit suicide while / after going through the ?treatments? offered in these programs?
You are invited to join Annie Armen together with special guests Shelby Earnshaw, national director of ISAC Corporation http://www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
and child advocate Tim Rocha, and UNITED, let's STOP the silence within and STOP the abuse throughout!
This show is sponsored in part by ISAC Corporation.
Check out ISAC's New Company Distinguished Guest Page on Annie Armen Live by visiting http://www.worldtalkradio.com/guests.asp?sid=97 (http://www.worldtalkradio.com/guests.asp?sid=97).
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So WWASP - clue us in.
"How do you batten down the hatches at TB in a catagory 5 storm? "
Here you go: ask them:
(435)656-2313
ken@wwasp.com
Jamica Embassy : Bruce Kraft: 876 929-5374
fax 876 935 6018
Jamaican police 876 967 1110
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chief of mission: Ambassador Sue McCourt COBB
embassy: Jamaica Mutual Life Center, 2 Oxford Road, 3rd floor, Kingston 5
mailing address: use embassy street address
telephone: [1] (876) 929-4850 through 4859
FAX: [1] (876) 935-6001
chief of mission: Ambassador Seymour Edward MULLINGS
chancery: 1520 New Hampshire Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20036
telephone: [1] (202) 452-0660
FAX: [1] (202) 452-0081
consulate(s) general: Miami and New York
what ever happened to the wwf...excuse me the wwasps public relations firm who was suppose to cover up all of the...i mean cover their tracks?
please pray for the hundreds of children who are on the island of jamaica, which is about to experience "ivan" the hurricane.
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Controversial director of WWASP children?s program, Jay Kay, had no intention of evacuating American children (about 300) from Tranquility Bay Academy in spite of the fact that Hurricane Ivan is heading directly toward Tranquility Bay, which is on the south side of Jamaica, facing the hurricane. Jay Kay, former gas station manager, previously admitted on PrimeTime with Diane Sawyer to spraying children with pepper-spray. Some children have been released from Tranquility Bay with dislocated limbs, broken bones and loosened teeth.
After considerable pressure by advocates on government officials, in the 11th hour, the children are being evacuated this afternoon, less than 24 hours before the hurricane is anticipated to obliterate the island. The movement of the children, however, is only to a nearby hotel whose guests were all previously evacuated earlier in the week.
Essentially, the American children in Jamaica (ages 11 to 18) are sitting ducks for a potential death sentence.
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ ... 034#000001 (http://www.strugglingteens.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=000034#000001)
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TB students were evacuated to the same place the disaster relief crew is staying. I'm more concerned about all the people of Jamaica, the babies and those homes they live in. Last I read on cnn .com was that very few of them sought shelter. Hopefully that changed.
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Ivan from off southwest Jamaica
11:45 A.M. ET Sat.,Sep.11,2004
Tim Ballisty and M. Ressler, Meteorologist, The Weather Channel
Hurricane Ivan Bottom Line
Strong Category 4 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 150 mph as of 5 a.m. ET
Hurricane watches and warnings in effect for Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and Cuba
Ivan is a powerful and deadly Category 4 hurricane as winds are now sustained at 145 mph. The center of Ivan remained offshore as it paralleled the southern coastline of Jamaica. Now the center is easing away from the southwest coast of Jamaica. Even with the eye staying over water, the hurricane as a whole battered the island all night and during the morning. Amateur radio reports emanating from Jamaica report that rainfall has been torrential and horizontal, the winds unleashed their destructive power, and ocean waves have been as high as a two-story building. Extreme damage has likely occurred, especially over the southern half of the island. The torrential rains that are ongoing are causing a great deal of flooding and mountain mudslides island-wide. Storm surge has been moderate but high waves will continue to batter the southern coast. After Jamaica, Ivan heads for the Cayman Islands late day into Sunday. Hurricane warnings are in effect for both Jamaica and the Cayman Islands. By the end of the weekend, Ivan is forecast to approach western Cuba (a hurricane watch is in effect for the whole island) and then enter the eastern Gulf, still as a major hurricane, Monday and Tuesday. The western side of the Florida Peninsula and the Florida Panhandle could be most affected. Thereafter, torrential rains and lingering winds could become a major story for the quarter of the nation as the remains of an inland Ivan head northward mid to late week. The future path of Ivan is by no means set so keep it tuned to The Weather Channel for the latest updates.
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http://www.jamaicans.com/ubb/ultimatebb ... =forum;f=1 (http://www.jamaicans.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=1)
This was posted on Jamiacans.com at 10:30 EST:
Just heard a live report from Ja on radio 106 FM via WPAT, NY. As most of you know by now at 7pm yesterday the hurricane changed it's course and shifted westerly instead of passing directly over the island. As a result:
-The west coast if taking a pounding
-Many homes have lost their roofs, particularly in Mandeville
-There is severe flooding in central and western Jamaica
-At 8am the hurricane was 60 miles south of Montego Bay, and -Black River is taking a serious hit
-It will be passing over Negril some time later
Author: Dawn (---.tampabay.rr.com)
Date: 09-11-04 14:13
Sadly 3 lives lost in Clarendon by drowning...1 baby in Rocky Point and 2 adults in Portland Cottage.
In area between Caribbean Terrace and Seven mile total devastation..2-3ft high mud..
Dumble Hall St Catherine more than 20 homes destroyed.
Very little structural damage in MBJ so far.
RE: Ivan jamaica
From: Gert van Dijken
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:51:48 -0400
From: henrique AT cwjamaica.com
Subject: RE: Ivan jamaica
Somehow we survived and lived through a night of extreme terror.
We went through a day and night of unimaginable fury of nature, words
fail me to describe the experience.
The sounds were as if a jumbo jet takes of and passes 10 m above your
roof.
Because of the slowing forward moving of Ivan we were pounded at 150
miles p.h. for many, many hours more than predicted last night.
Damage is unbelievable.
Shelters are filled with thousands of people, they are running out of
food and the radio stations appeal to citizens as soon as the storm has
passed to donate food to the shelters.
That will not be before this evening.
Somehow phone lines and internet systems have held up.
"Big up" C&W of Jamaica and Digicel.
They can certainly advertise their equipment as hurricane safe.
Right now we don't know if there were casualties as the entire island is
inundated, all roads are blocked, bridges have come down, big areas are
flooded and mud slides are covering large areas.
Some shelters could not stand up to the winds and people had to be
relocated in the height of the storm.
How that was done I don't know as you cannot walk in 150 miles of storm.
Hospitals were damaged and patients had to be relocated in Mobay
Cornwall and Kingston KPH and Jubilee.
The Prime Minister declared Jamaica a national disaster and implemented
a Public Emergency, restricting freedom of movement and assembly.
This is done to protect the citizens from looting.
We are thankful for that as we feel a lot safer this way.
Looting is going on right now but the police is very, very vigilant and
adopts a no nonsense approach, we are thankful for that.
In the height of the storm several heavily armed gangs of criminals were
engaging the security forces in gun battles in Kingston, endangering the
security forces' lives.
The security forces along with the Government agencies did a magnificent
job.
Some areas are simply flattened, the Community of Windsor has not one
roof left, including the church which served as a shelter, people have
nowhere to go and the winds and rain are pounding on.
Almantown in Kingston is flat.
The roads all over the island are inundated, bridges destroyed.
Communities cannot be reached.
Banana plantations are flat, for that matter our "food basket" in
general is destroyed.
Our hearts go out to Cayman and Florida.
Please consider Ivan as the most dangerous storm you can imagine.
Double check your preparations, you will need it.
One word of advice: when people start to feel the terror and fear for
their lives as we have last night, psychology comes into play.
Hold the children tight as they may be scared beyond belief.
Also tempers can flare out of fear, prayers helped us to cope and stay
half way calm and stay together as a group.
By tomorrow we will know more about the damage but I fear it will
resemble Grenada.
Barbara Henriques
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http://hurricane.accuweather.com/adcbin ... s&partner= (http://hurricane.accuweather.com/adcbin/hurricane/storms.asp?ocean=atlantic&storm=Ivan&imagetype=radius&partner=)
Looks like the northern tip of Jamaica is still getting wollopped.
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Gulf View Hotel in Mandeville. Phone - 876-262-4471
somebody want to check in on the TB kids
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http://www2.e-gleaner.com/20040910/gallery/index.html (http://www2.e-gleaner.com/20040910/gallery/index.html)
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http://jampact.org/ (http://jampact.org/)
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where is TB actually located on the island of jamaica? what parish? closet town?
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TB is located at the parish of St. Elizabeth.
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Originally posted by BuzzKill:
the Mandeville hotel?
The local police and news paper?
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here it is
hotel:
962-2460
police:
962-2250 & 961-4925
sorry i dont know that name of the local paper there.
good luck
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By TBNet on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:47 am:
As of 11:30 AM Sunday morning, threre's not much new that I could find.
I've recieved some emails with tidbits of reports about roofs off in Mandeville, trees down, etc. We're asking for anyone with ANY information related to PLEASE post it here if. For some, this is the only source they have to know what's going on.
Does anyone have a connection to the Power 106 broadcasts? If so, post the information here or send it directly to me at webmaster@treasurebeach.net
What we do know:
There seems to be sporadic phone service working in the Mandeville/TB area. However, when I called Rebecca's land line, I get 'All circuits are busy'. Her CWJ cell phone is accepting voice mails, but her Digicell phone simply states "the number you've dialed is unavailable."
The Los Angeles Times:
"The Jamaican death toll included two children who drowned near Kingston and a family of four who died in south-central Clarendon, said Sgt. Steve Brown of the Jamaican Police Force emergency response center. He also said a family of eight was missing from a flooded area west of Kingston. RJR Radio also reported that an elderly woman died when a tree fell on her home."
On Jamaicans.com,:
"I have spoken to my mother a few times in the Malvern,Munro,Southfield area of St. Elizabeth via her cell phone. She is telling me that she is fine, but all the houses that she can see around her is destroyed. She says there are no trees standing. The last time i spoke to her was about 7:00 pm eastern time (Saturday) and she said the winds were dying down, but the rain is relentless...things are a bit hectic for her because water is entering the house through some windows and doors. she did say that Treasure beach and Junction were hit pretty bad. I try to talk for a little bit at a time because her cell phone is going to die and she has no means to recharge. Funny thing is I just left the island on Monday."
Again, if you have ANY information, no matter how small, pelase post it here along with where and when you heard it.
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THIS IN FROM YAHOO...
A paragraph pertaining to St. Elizabeth:
"In Jamaica, aid agencies and officials said they were still trying to find out what had happened in the southeastern parishes of St. Thomas, one of the hardest-hit areas, and St. Elizabeth in the southwest, and hoped to clear blocked roads on Sunday"
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... ivan_dc_72 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040912/ts_nm/weather_ivan_dc_72)
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If this thread is for Jamaica in general, I would like to hear more too. If it's to see if TB was blown away, that's another story. As for the kids and staff, they stayed at the same place as the disaster teams, so if you hear the disaster teams were injured, etc., then there is cause for concern. If not, keep the faith that those kids are going to have some stories to tell about living through a hurricane.
Why didn't they all fly out? Ever tried to get a flight out of an area threatened by hurricanes? Not only are flights sold out in/out of Jamaica on a regular basis by tourists, finding a flight that isn't sold out or cancelled is the challenge. Finding a flight that isn't going to Miami is another. From the last hurricane, flights are still sold out from people waiting to go home from most Florida airports.
I personally would have chosen to find as safe a place to stay as I could and ride it out rather than standing in line at an airport. Would disaster relief workers chosen an unsafe place? Only time will tell.
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sounds like a PR firm response to me. maybe justifying who? what? why? when & where?
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They had Plenty of time to fly those kids out of there. A week, even ten days notice this monster was heading right smack at them.
And maybe they're fine. . . But nobody seems to know.
I personally feel Jay & company placed the safety of the kids a lower priority than their continued control of them; and I find that despicable.
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A fine example of the extent a program will go to keep the parent and child seperated until they are fully indoctrinated in the program.
It took an act of congress to get my son home from his program for my father wake. That is just wrong.
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Some info about what's happening in St. Elizabeth and Treausre Beach:
Update
From: Gert van Dijken
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:08:43 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:00:51 -0400
From: ORINTHIA MARKS
To: Gert van Dijken
Subject: Re: HEARD FROM SISTER IN SANTA CRUZ
Hey Gert,
I must tell you how thankful I am and I know everyone else using your site.
You are a "good samaritan" and will be blessed for providing this service
unselfishly.
I heard from my sister again just within the hour and was about to put
together an email for you.
She says that St. Elizabeth as a whole was severely damaged. The extent of
the damage is not known but she says because the Eye of the storm passed
just south of them they really got pounded. They began getting the wind
since 3:00 p.m. on Friday afternoon and the rain only stopped at 4:00 p.m.
this afternoon.
She hasn't heard of flooding in Santa Cruz.The town doesn't usually get the
floods however in the Southfield and Treasure Beach they are bad and were
just affected by Charley as well.
Black River 40% of homes damaged. The sea came up to street level and into
businesses. For those who know Black River they can picture the areas that
would have been included in this description. Very sad.
Many homes and buildings without entire roofs including her very close
friend (Binns) in Goshen area. There is ankle deep water in her house.
My sister says that she cannot get through on her cell phone to anyone so
it's difficult to hear about other areas.
STETHS (high school in Santa) lost some of its roof.
Burnt Ground and areas next to it very bad as well.
She says she doesn't know how they are going to clear all the trees as it
seems every one was fallen. Every leave ripped from those still standing.
Devastation indeed.
Will keep you posted on news I hear.
Source: http://www.stormcarib.com/reports/2004/jamaica.shtml (http://www.stormcarib.com/reports/2004/jamaica.shtml)
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just got a phone call from Rebecca! I was the fitst she was able to contact. She had to go up to munro area to get service.
She reports that no one has been killed in the TB area!!! No mention of any one injured either!
However, there are other reports of a drowning in Great Bay Also, she heard that 20 fishermen stayed on the Keys and no word from them. Also, Some fishermen in Black river anchored out to sea and no word from them either.
Rebecca is shaken up but is OK.
There is massive damage though...
Most roofs on houses are gone, including hers.
Most trees have been knocked down, including lignum vitaes! For the trees that are standing ,therre are no leaves on the branches
There is water from the sea at Woddy's Shop at the end of fisherman's lane!
Sea water went through Golden Sands to the Cashah tree
If you want to send aid, send it to the US Embassy or to the Peace Corps. I will get addresses after posting this initial report.
If you want to send something to an indicudual, send it to the person care of rebecca Wiersma
Miss Ruby lost half of her roof but is OK.
More very soon!
Thanks to all for your thoughts and prayers. We still have to rebuild, but worst is over!
Sources: http://treasurebeach.net/discus/messages/1584/2400.html (http://treasurebeach.net/discus/messages/1584/2400.html)
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There's more info in the links.
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Oh, and look at that...
By Suellen Troup on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 08:16 pm:
Has anyone checked on Jay at Tranquilty Bay. He stayed during the storm after seeing to it that the kids were safely transported to the shelter. No reports are coming in over the radio as to the status of St. Elizabeth Parish so if anyone has any information about Tranquility Bay and Mr. Kay it would be greatly appreciated.
Suellen Troup
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By Lady Wisdom on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 09:09 pm:
Suellen, I haven't heard anything as yet, but I will check the parents bulletin board tomorrow morning at work to see if he is still posting to let us know what the damages were. I cannot believe that there was none since Tranquility Bay is right on the coastal shore. I will send you a message once I hear as well. Keep him in prayer.
(http://treasurebeach.net/discus/message ... 1095041349 (http://treasurebeach.net/discus/messages/1584/2412.html?1095041349))
They don't care about the kids, of course. All they want to know is if Pepper-Spray Jay made it through.
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PAT AND SISSY BROMFIELD, Jay Kay and Tranquility Bay - the retaining wall is gone and some other damage, but nothing major. People were in MAndeveille and presumed safe
http://treasurebeach.net/guide/fl/default.html (http://treasurebeach.net/guide/fl/default.html)
I was hoping that Ivan would get the job done and tear that hell hole down completely...
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Well, if a retaining wall is gone then there is nothing to stop it from sliding into the sea.
I wouldn't want my kid living and sleeping on a hill side over the sea with the possibility of a heavy rain sending it crashing down in a mudd slide.
But I was never a very good program parent. Couldn't get a handle on the trust thing.
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This question...
By Suellen Troup on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 08:16 pm:
Has anyone checked on Jay at Tranquilty Bay. He stayed during the storm after seeing to it that the kids were safely transported to the shelter. No reports are coming in over the radio as to the status of St. Elizabeth Parish so if anyone has any information about Tranquility Bay and Mr. Kay it would be greatly appreciated.
Suellen Troup
...is interesting. From Google, we find that Suellen Troup runs a parentshelpingteens website. IOW, she is a big-time WWASPS recruiter, complete with online videos, brochures, and an instant "tell me about your child and I will tell you what school you should send him to". She also asks about somebody named Camille Bairis-something like that. Does anybody know if this a Jay's mistress or a TB administrator or what? Ms. Troup felt that staffers remained at TB when the children were sent to Mandeville.
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Do these people actually pay finders fee's and the so called "consultants" get them. Actually if they are good and acceptable consultants they don't take finders fees, or deal with programs that give them.
Andrea
PFRR
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Suellen Troup
...is interesting. From Google, we find that Suellen Troup runs a parentshelpingteens website. IOW, she is a big-time WWASPS recruiter, complete with online videos, brochures, and an instant "tell me about your child and I will tell you what school you should send him to". She also asks about somebody named Camille Bairis-something like that. Does anybody know if this a Jay's mistress or a TB administrator or what? Ms. Troup felt that staffers remained at TB when the children were sent to Mandeville.
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Well well well -
This explains why I got booted from their little board for asking if anyone had heard from the kids.
It was something like:
Never mind Pepper Spray Jay -
Has anybody heard from the kids?
Not only did they not post my question - they yanked an entire thread I started on a different board asking about the welfair of the kids.
Poof - Gone.
Same folks must moderate the Jamaica board and the Treasure Beach board as sell Tranquility Bay.
What a racket.
And they want help rebuilding. . .
When Jamaica freezes over.
But then, as I told them before the thread was yanked; wwasp can pitch in with some cash. With 90 moillion + a year coming in, they can rebuild the whole island, better than before.
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Thanks for the favor Ginger
:wink:
OK the question is:
Has Anyone been able to talk with the kids?
People get threw to the hotel; but are not allowed to talk with the kids.
Why the hell not?
This is not a business as usual kind of thing.
Has the embassy gone in to check on them - or is it true that even the embassy has taken Ken's word for it that each and every kid is fine and dandy?
If this is so - surely there is now grounds to fire the idiots. They have refused to carry out there duties before - but this is just to much; if its true.
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Well well well -
This explains why I got booted from their little board for asking if anyone had heard from the kids.
It was something like:
Never mind Pepper Spray Jay -
Has anybody heard from the kids?
Not only did they not post my question - they yanked an entire thread I started on a different board asking about the welfair of the kids.
Poof - Gone.
Same folks must moderate the Jamaica board and the Treasure Beach board as sell Tranquility Bay.
What a racket.
And they want help rebuilding. . .
When Jamaica freezes over.
But then, as I told them before the thread was yanked; wwasp can pitch in with some cash. With 90 moillion + a year coming in, they can rebuild the whole island, better than before.
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The Treasure Beach board has a specific purpose and has in the past allowed pro and con posts regarding tranquility bay. Several months ago the board was completely taken over by the tb controversy. That is when the decision was made by the webmaster to review all posts prior to allowing them on the board. I have no clue about their personal thoughts on the subject but these are people who were introduced to the Treasure Beach area while volunteering for the Peace Corps. They still do a lot to help the people in that area of Jamaica. They may be somewhat uninformed but I do not believe they are evil and are definitely not associated with tb. It would be nice if wwasp would do something to help their neighbors but I think we should not discourage each other from lending a hand during this crisis.
On another note: Jamaican radio stations announced this evening that all Tranquility Bay staff is being asked to return to work. :scared: