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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Oppositional Defiance on August 26, 2004, 05:39:00 PM
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Ottowa sucks moose cock
like a vacuum cleaner
She gives hand jobs to satan
and bends over while he fucks
her in the ass.
Roaches crawl out of ottowa's pussy
and back in; they have a nest.
A dead man's head protrudes from her ass
He screams regularily.
Her asshole is glistening, indeed.
Ottowa shits through her mouth,
and she shits all over you.
Her flesh is all rotten, and rotting away.
Ottowa has worms in her fetus
Her children devoured, by her, long ago
Ottowa waves :wave: , Ottowa waves :wave:
But come judgement day
if there ever is one
She will remain in hell forever.
:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
oh my to the piz-eye.
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really mature for an "adult"
could say a lot of really mean things right now but I guess that just shows the diffrent in our matureity levels! :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
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I made Ottowa cry. Or at least her bitch daughter. Muhahahahahaha
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Oppositional Defiance,
AKA
Black Francis the 2nd
Email- skiesel93@hotmail.com
Phone- 727-743-1914
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Love is the law, love under will.[ This Message was edited by: Oppositional Defiance on 2004-08-26 18:45 ]
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hey... who says adults need to be mature?? ::bangin::
Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of the tyrant and the creed of the slave.
-- William Pitt, 1763
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If the best you can do in the way of writing, son, don't quit your day job.
But if your highest goal in life is to be offensive, well, I guess it isn't hard to reach. Do drugs help, or is it alcohol these days? Ot is it just your personality to be like that?
But if the goal was to deter anyone (like me for example) from visiting this site: not likely. Why would I pass up being where I want to be because some clown who is old enough to know better chooses to act like an immature pig?
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Ottawa5 you and your retard daughter brought this on yourselves. Haven't the two of you learned yet that no one here agrees with you? No one likes you either. You bring everyone down with your blatant disregard for the abuses we've suffered. Both of you continue to defend a program that you have absolutely no 1st hand experience with, and obviously know nothing about. For two months now, the vast majority of posters on this site have opened their lives to you and given extremely detailed accounts of how cedu abused and damaged them. Do you show them compassion? NO! Understanding? NO! Can you even keep an open mind? NO! Instead you ignore and completely dismiss anyone's account that disagrees with the cedu lies and emotional growth propoganda that has become a second religion to you. You completely dismiss cedu victims as being disgruntled and delusional.
You and your daughter remind me of Jehova's Witnesses. Have you ever met or had one of these people show up to your house and spark a conversation with you? Their beliefs about god are totally fucking whacked and make absolutely no sense at all, they cannot be supported by even the most basic common sense or logic. They are usually quite friendly at first, yet the minute that you disagree with their beliefs and tell them that you won't join their church, these people change their tone completely. They yell, they tell you you are a sinner, that only they can save you, and that your disagreement with them proves how badly you need to be saved. They don't listen to reason, or respect that you have your own beliefs and ideas, or even take the time to listen to what you have to say. They just keep talking, they will raise their voices to talk over yours. They don't leave your home when asked, they don't respect your personal boundaries. More often than not, it requires a phone call to the police or a very real threat to these people's physical safety to convince them to leave your property.
Ottawa5 and Ottawa2 are like Cedu's Jehova's witnesses. Only neither one of them has witnessed a thing. They are armed with emotional growth propaganda and second hand information of allegedly positive cedu experiences, from people who are too cowardly to come onto this site and speak for themselves. They lack the necessary insight and experience to argue intelligently about cedu, so they just argue. The Ottawas are fanatics, they are slaves to the cedu ideology. They will never accept or consider any new idea that differs from what they are programed to believe, no matter how strong the evidence is supporting those ideas. They are lost, completely.
Ottawa 5, you and your daughter have continued to offended just about every poster on this site who has REALLY experienced the CEDU. The hostilities and insults that posters direct towards you are completely justified because of this. No one agrees with you, why is it that you are so blind that you cannot see that?
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Your post says a lot about you--it's obvious that your highest goal is to be liked by everyone, to be agreed with by everyone---after all, you say that since I am not, that should be reason enough for me to leave the site.
You just don't get that I couldn't care less if some tantruming over-grown toddler-types rant at me.
That's what happens when you're secure in who you are--hope you reach that pinnacle someday.
My advice to you, since you think that I have nothing to contribute, is to just ignore me, stop wasting your energy ranting. What are the odds though?
I'll continue to be here when I wish to.
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This thread is totally offensive and abusive. I don't think it serves any purpose but to denigrate this site as a whole. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean it's OK to be abusive. I don't understand the rationale behind protesting CEDU on grounds of abusiveness and promoting group think and then act the same way, only worse.
There is a ton of room for debate and argument with the Ottawas without getting putrid or telling them what their life is like when you have no idea.
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There is a point to all of this. Ottawa5 and her clone daughter are out here defending an abusive program, one they have no 1st hand experience with or any real knowledge of. We are simply giving them both a very miniscule taste of exactly what it is they are defending. My comments are no less insensitive or demeaning than the abuse we all endured on a daily basis at Cedu. Only we did not have the luxery of reading them on a computer screen and being able to respond in kind. To the contrary, we had groups of 20 to 30 people lining up to scream such abuses in our face on a daily basis. We weren't given the opportunity to respond, any protests we vocalized were completely drowned out by more screams and abuse! Our feelings about it didn't matter, neither did our dignity,individuality, the truth, or whats right and wrong for that matter. All that mattered was Cedu's "holier than thou" bullshit philosophy. Cedu made baseless, false, and demeaning personal assumptions about us all the time. We knew they weren't true, but the truth never mattered to Cedu anyways. Cedu used intimidation, threats, screaming, unusual and cruel punishments, and pure psychological torture, to label us, break us down, and drill these false truths into our heads, all so they could mold us in "Cedu's Image".
(Ottawa5) Whether you will admit to it or not, i believe that my comments and assumptions about you and your family are starting to get to you. I'm positively sure that Ottawa 2 is offended by me. Good! Now take this resentment you are begining to feel and multiply it by at least 10,000, and you may begin to get an idea of how people like myself, Bryan Felscher, Oppositional Defiance, Pixie Dust, and thousands of other former Cedu students felt every second of every day for the entire duration of our respective stays at cedu (in my case, 1 year and 7 months).
(Ottawa5) your daughter has made it clear that she finds my derogatory comments about her dyslexia offensive. Had your daughter attended Cedu, I assure you that staff would've used that information to cut her to pieces with it on a daily basis. They would've labeled her a "retard" (as well as slut, and god knows what else) and would continuously force that belief upon her with their terror tactics, until she finally broke down and believed it herself. And at that moment when she had completely broken down, and couldn't feel any more hopeless or have a lower opinion of herself, cedu would offer her salvation in the cedu way, and force her to accept that this is the only way of fixing all of her problems. In this moment of complete vulnerability, she would do exactly that, and thus would now be ripe for reprogramming.
Ottawa5 this is what cedu did to your son, and what they tried to do to me, and countless other kids. Your son was never broken in the first place, they just made him believe he was, which is why he accepted cedu with open arms.
Cedu is a cult, with a long history of mind fucking people. Is this really the way that you want to "help" children?
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[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-08-30 10:31 ]
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BRAVO, SOS. Well said. I started a post trying to say something close to what you just said, and got frustrated at the thought of O5 just coming back again with some self righteous, snobbish, know-it-all-but-never-been-there response, and deleted it.
Thanks. :nworthy:
Ottawa5, Since you are so very interested in the gathering of information, I?ve gathered some reading material for you.
Ask any one of us SURVIVORS of this kind of behavior modification and thought reform what we think of this material, and the information in it, and we?ll be sure to tell you. As a matter of fact, I think all we do is keep telling you, and keep telling you. It?s obvious you?re just here to feel right, in your sick, weird, trying-not-to-feel-guilt-for-what-you-did-to-your-son, kind of way. Or, are you a brainwashed cult member that just got sucked into the jive yourself? Could you be the next Loretta Parrish, or Calvina Faye even?
Click the 28DAZE link on this page http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/ (http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/) to find out who Loretta Parrish is.
Enjoy the information below!
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria)
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions)
http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html#one (http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html#one)
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/cult.definition (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/cult.definition)
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/identifying-a-cult (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/identifying-a-cult)
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/totalism-group-dynamics (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/totalism-group-dynamics)
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/review.academic.research (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/review.academic.research)
Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
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On 2004-08-26 18:38:00, Ottawa2 wrote:
"really mature for an "adult"
could say a lot of really mean things right now but I guess that just shows the diffrent in our matureity levels! :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: "
eh, the most mature way to handle it would have been to cut out that last statement and step down off the soap-box.
anyway, "oppositionaldefiance" is clearly an immature little boy who needs online attention because he doesn't get what he feels to be a sufficient amount in his day to day life.
it's pretty sad.
i wish nothing but the best for you on your path to maturity, sage.
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Never thought I could miss so much in such a short time!
SOS: Yes your comments my have gotting to me at first. But guess what? I got over it. Trust me I have had to deal with a lot worse comments about my dyslexia then what you said. (one person claimed that Learning disabilitys did not excist)
I would also like to know where/when either my mother or I denide that these abusis did not happen? In fact I remember my mother saying that she was aware of them and what to gather information, in order of one day building her own school so that she could make sure things like that did not happen.
And, I do agree with my mother that you are no more then a some who feels they are nothing unless they have erveryone around them agreeing with my. You main goal in life seem to be that similar to a highschool students: To be popular.
Something thats interesting is that no one in my family has ever really had that goal.
Shanlea: Thank you one again!
OD: Sorry you did not reach your goal in life (to make a teenage girl cry)! Im not so weak that some guy on a random internet web site can bring my down to tears. Maybe its diffrent for you? I dont know just a thought.
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Sorry O2, but but my main goals in life are to be
successful,be the best provider for my wife, my current and future children, and to be the best father that one could possibly be. I run my own constuction business, own my home in a very good neighborhood, I have a great marriage & a wonderful son, and I'm successfully working towards achieving all of my goals. I will no doubt be doing so for the rest of my natural life.
You know, the fact that you followed up with the same insults that your mother said to me & OD, instead of thinking up new insults on your own, clearly demonstrates my point: You are a Carbon Clone Copy of your mother, except that you lack her intelligence and writing abilities. Your are a dumb, impressionable kid with an empty head, whose mother is filling it with emotional growth propaganda. You've also made it perfectly clear
that you still resent me and my comments to you. Excellent!
Your posts are starting to sound less like an innocent teenage girl who doesn't understand, and more like the Cedufied-Jehovas Witness Control-Freak that your mother is.
Like your mother no doubt, you did not read my last post in any great detail, or even considered the PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND FIRST HAND INFORMATION that I gave regarding how cedu works. You and your mother are no doubt strict believers in the cedu trash philosphy: "that your brother needed to be fixed (and broken for that matter), and only cedu could do it."
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[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-08-28 11:19 ]
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wait... there's an ottawa2?
damn, girl... you didn't even try to establish your own identity?
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:rofl: BWAA HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! That was a great burn Laura!!!!
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On 2004-08-27 11:55:00, mikehunt wrote:
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On 2004-08-26 18:38:00, Ottawa2 wrote:
"really mature for an "adult"
could say a lot of really mean things right now but I guess that just shows the diffrent in our matureity levels! :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: "
eh, the most mature way to handle it would have been to cut out that last statement and step down off the soap-box.
anyway, "oppositionaldefiance" is clearly an immature little boy who needs online attention because he doesn't get what he feels to be a sufficient amount in his day to day life.
it's pretty sad.
i wish nothing but the best for you on your path to maturity, sage."
If you're so goddamn mature, why don't you stop taking shots at me every chance you get? I blocked you off my AIM list because I was sick and tired of hearing your shit. This isn't a dick measuring contest between the two of us.
On a different note, It's kind of nice we can't block ottowa from the site because we get to listen to her and her whole dog and pony show make fools out of themselves, and I can shit on them in messages and watch them try to pose some kind of dignity on themselves in the aftermath. And most of all, I don't even care! I just want them to be boiled in poison oil! I'm gonna go fuck some pussy now,
Arvoir,
Sage
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sorry, sweetie, the only cock i've got is electric... and it's significantly larger :wink:
by the way, i didn't claim to be mature, did i?
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laura solomon
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"Now take this resentment you are begining to feel and multiply it by at least 10,000, and you may begin to get an idea of how people like myself, Bryan Felscher, Oppositional Defiance, Pixie Dust, and thousands of other former Cedu students felt every second of every day for the entire duration of our respective stays at cedu (in my case, 1 year and 7 months)."- SOS-
SOS, thanks for saying that, it was a good point!! :smile: however, i would multiply it by like 100,000 times :wink:
The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to
serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust.
--Mr. Justice Brandeis
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On 2004-08-28 17:31:00, mikehunt wrote:
"sorry, sweetie, the only cock i've got is electric... and it's significantly larger :wink:
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laura solomon"
Not that you would know. I'm an Irishman! Have fun with your electric cock now,
The Sage
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actually, i would... you couldn't keep it down at the beach.
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I guess you're used to garden vegetables then
OTTOWA SUCKS A FAT DICK!
SHE TAKES A CUCUMBER IN HER POOOOOPCHUTE!!!
The Sage
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i think you're being a little bit projectile here, sage.
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I won't say that you sound depraved, you'd probably take that as a complement,
And I don't care much about your gross language, the words and ideas aren't exactly original or different---
But I do have to ask: wasn't there a time in your life when you thought that you could be something better than you sound now?
I mean somebody cared enough to pay a whole lot of money to send you to a school where they at least thought that the course you were on could be changed (yes, yes, I know money isn't everything, but they did it because they thought it would help and maybe that was the only way they thought that they could help you).
Maybe you think that they could have done something else, somthing better, but at least they tried.
And now here you are,a grown up person who should be doing something worthwhile, acting like a 14 year old with a vocabulary he got from some older friends or some stupid rap song, and acting like this.
I mean, don't you ever feel sorry about the chance you missed to be a real human being (I'm serious: don't you?)
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Boy, you just don't get it, do you, O5?
Here, let me do it in crayon for you and see if it's easier to read.
This type of language and form of communication which so offends you is the basis of the Synanon method. Hostile attack is the essense of the Program. Most of these kids picked up their potty mouths from the Program, not from those allegedly bad influences on the outside.
And I don't know why you even bother to respond. There are plenty of good, insightful responses to your queries. Why not respond to those instead?It's not asif you're held incommunicado and against your will and forced to endure and respond to this stuff. Just excercise a little adult discretion, skip the trash talk and engage in the intelligent conversations.
There, that better?He that lives upon hope will die fasting
--Benjamin Franklin 1758
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On 2004-08-31 17:54:00, mikehunt wrote:
"i think you're being a little bit projectile here, sage.
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Wait a second, is this CEDUeze for "you're projecting"?
It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child.
-- Anonymous homeschooler
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Don't give yourself a coronary, my dear, I think that I understand quite well (even without your enlightened insight) the idea that this kind of talk is meant to be confrontational.
Of course, confrontation, with or without expletives can happen for a reason,or it can happen for the sake of sensational gratuitiousness, as in the current context.
If you can't know why I "even bother to respond" well,I guess that you'll just have to put the fact of my responding on the list of a lot of things that you don't know, although the idea of not knowing everything may be a new idea for you, I suspect.
As it happens, I think that Opposition D. shows a lot of creativity, even within the context of his rancid posts and it seems a pity that he can't do better than this.I thought that it was worthwhile pointing this out.
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ok, so first you say you don't like how he talks, then you say it's creative????? do you know what your saying?? dude, you're soooo contradicting and hypacritical - you make me SICK!! ::puke:: who the fuck are you?? do you even know who you are, and if you do, why don't ya tell us a little bit about yourself so that people stop wondering why you are the way you are! [ This Message was edited by: **PIXIE DUST** on 2004-09-01 15:35 ]
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Wow, its shocking to me that you do not get what my mom is saying. Let me make this simplp for you pixi by useing a real life example: Eminem is one of the most vaulger person in the world. But, he is also very creative like a poet. Do you get it now? :wave: [ This Message was edited by: Ottawa2 on 2004-09-01 04:41 ]
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Once again Ottawa2 is on this site with no ideas of her own to contribute. O2, we already heard what your mother said about OD, we really don't need you repeating or explaining O5's words. Ottawa2 reminds me of a busted tape recorder with a speech impediment, which pretty much makes her totally useless. It seems that O2 is incapable of thinking for herself.
Ottawa2 you are a brain dead, retarded, clone copy of your mother. You're a total tool. Period. Seriously, get a life you loser!
Y'know it doesn't surprise me one bit that Ottawa5 ignores all of the insightful and highly informative posts about Cedu abuses that have appeared over the past few days, instead she favors to comment on OD's vulgar language. Typical ottawa bullshit. Avoid the tough issues, dance around the questions, dismiss or justify the abuses, and completely refuse to even consider any information that disputes her notion that "Cedu Can Do No Wrong, and Only They Can Save Us!" Yes, on this site we have our very own Jehova's Witnesses (cedu style), and like all fanatics, the ottawa's will stick to their baseless and ridiculous beliefs no matter how many times we prove them wrong.
Ottawa 5, you are not here to gather information, or to exchange ideas with us,or to understand anything, you made up your mind about your school long before you ever came here. You cannot acknowledge or even consider the fact that Cedu is an abusive program, because if you did, it would force you to accept that you paid total strangers shitloads of money to abuse and toally mind-fuck your own son. Your're not ready to accept that responsibility, or to face the terrible thing that you did. You run from the truth, which to the rest of us is clear as day. Well keep running then. YOU ARE A FOOL! I truly feel sorry for all of your future victims.
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O5, don't worry, I'm not at all upset. I've been down this road before.
Just wondering when we'll find out your thoughts on Shanlea's question; what aspects of the program do you think are useful and worth replicating. You've said that you haven't got time to answer, then you take the time to lecture others on poor manners. And you've said that you did answer under a topic that I can't find.
So, when do we get an answer?
Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
been able to determine that for themselves,
albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
individuals did not wish to break the law but
they had no choice.
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee
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wait, you have no time to answer, yet this is what you plan on devoting your life to? those two concepts aren't very coherent.
i mean, if you're dedicating your life to something, you should spend all the time you can writing about it in different ways to evolve your views... especially when it's your fucking mission statement.
sounds like you need to get your priorities straightened out.
and yes, antigen, projectile has the same root as the term cedu adopted, "project". it is a good werd as long as you don't use it every 2 seconds as they did at cedu (the overusage of that werd was very ironic.)[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-09-01 12:01 ]
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Antigen, Laura, listen to me.
I know why Ottawa5 doesn't answer shanlea's question regarding what she likes and would use from cedu's program. The answer should be obvious to all of you. Ottawa5 hasn't answered shanlea's question because she CAN'T answer the question. Remember that O5 has absolutely NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEGE or PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with the Cedu program. Ottawa5 doesn't know what aspects she likes and dislikes about Cedus's program, because SHE NEVER EXPERIENCED IT!!!
Everything that Ottawa5 knows about Cedu is based on second-hand information (namely mr. self-surveilance's alledgedly positive experience) and Cedu brochures. She has no fucking clue how to respond to direct questions about the Cedu program. The only way for O5 to possibly respond in any way that makes sense, would be to pull these answers from her son!
O5's claims of not having time, or having answered this question before are pure horse-shit! She's stalling until Mr. Self-Surveilance and his alledged group of "positive RMA friends" tell her what to say!
(Shanlea), I believe that you deserve a well earned CONGRATULATIONS! :nworthy:
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*takes a big shit on ottowas and laura*[ This Message was edited by: Oppositional Defiance on 2004-09-01 14:29 ]
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Sos, yup! More than that, though. Even true believers who've been there and swear it saved their lives can't explain how the Program works. As soon as you start to figure out wtf happened there, the effect wears off. Exit counselors sometimes call it 'snapping', as in snapping out of it.
Don't laugh when you leave this courtroom, thinking you have beat the system because you have looked these things up yourself. We are going to get you down the road.
Washington Superior CourtJudge Rebecca Baker
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O2, don't say that i'm the one who needs something explained to me more simply. you and you're mom are the ones who can't take the hint (social cue) that you're full of shit and have NO CLUE what so ever what you're talking about. like i said before, and it applies to YOU too, you and you're mom are both contradicting and hypacritical that you MAKE ME SICK! (let me know if you need me to say that again using 1st and 2nd grade words)
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I know I am happy to not see them even on the page.
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Mike: maybe you're operating under a misconception, that is, that the opinions I get here are the one-and-only basis of my future plans. Only one aspect, I assure you, don't think that I am not seeking info, counsel, insight from other sources as well.
Of course, all this takes time, although it is almost always more pleasant than being here.
This fact notwithstanding, I will get back to the seemingly sincerely-interested-among-you (this would likely not include you, mike)with an answer to your inquiries, although they do exist in previous posts.
Don't get all in a tizzy because I haven't responded to your queries---it is one thing to check in here for a fast-food exchange, it is another to take time to respond in detail.
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i didn't ever say that i thought that... what i said was basically that i think it's lame that you wouldn't take the time to write out your mission statement; the more you think about it and write it out, the more elaborate it becomes. it's just kinda strange that you wouldn't take a minute to comment on that (considering this is something you feel so strongly about that you're dedicating your life to it) when you already do take the time to stay involved in our lovely message bored discussions.
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The fact that I spend my time writing insanities on this board speaks to how disturbed I am from spending the formative years of my life, the only formative years I will ever get, years that will leave an indelible mark on my soul and in my nightmares, in CEDU institutions. What you are doing, Ottowa5, amounts to barging into a rape support group and calling all the victims whores. Come to speak of it, that's exactly what a rape/molestation victim would be called had she been in a CEDU program herself. She would have it screamed at her, she would have large, scary male members of the staff stalk her around frightening her sexually, all in the name of "breaking the person down". The fact that as a 14 year old child taught to trust my superiors I TRUSTED these people makes me so angry, so angry. And who do I place the finger upon and direct my rage? Who do I hold responsible for this anguish? Was it the fault of the lowly staff; poor, uneducated locals hired and given full license to in every way dominate, rip apart, and torture the _CHILDREN_ who were sent to them, callously, inhumanly, unflinchingly, like the nazis did to their targets? Was it the fault of the executives who were the masterminds of this criminal operation? Was it the fault of the parents who ABANDONED THIER CHILDREN TO MONSTERS OF THE REALEST KIND, parents like you, I dare say, Ottowa5? Being a mindless sheep is all well and good until someone gets HURT, ottowa5, and that's an understatement; I'm serious about my wish for grisly death, torture, murder, and mind-shattering heartbreak-until-insanity upon you, and even that would not be enough, and I would do it myself, in a grand, bloody, old european style gala event with your families watching. But all I can do is write sick words on an electronic router, stored in bits and bytes, my last and only consolation for my life defiled. Why don't you go away, ottowa, why don't you just leave us alone, if you think we are so pathetic and miserable, why do you even bother with us? Why do we even bother with you? Why does "God" allow this to happen? Why do you suck so much moose cock?
The Sage
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I see no need for you ever to respond to these people again. What you and I and Bryan and whoever else have written, has said it all bravely and accurately. Your metaphor or analogy about the rape victim's group is correct. Not too strong in my opinion- and I am a certified rape counselor.
You have succintly spoken and I hope that unless it becomes necessary to respond to something intelligent and honest from the Ottowas, you refrain from giving that hatred any more energy. Please understand that I actually feel as much as you do sometimes. I really do understand, but you have spoken so wisely I would hate to see them goad you into more useless threats and childish retaliations. They have so much meat to work with, and respond to, they have apologies to make to each one of us and they STILL have not arranged communication with the "Graduate", so Fuck 'em. We don't need respond until they see that we are the WRONGED. We are the VICTIMS. The issue of trust that you brought up is so much the crux. The issue of WHO is responsible. Who should we hate? You and I both know that CEDU itself and many of the individuals themselves are to blame. And now I know that to some degree...my parents are too. At least as much as me or more. so.
At least, OD, let me beg you not to physically threaten me for asking you to just cool it down on them...I don't think they're worth it. I would rather hear from the guy who made the last posting. Intelligent and personally helpful to me in remembering yet ANOTHER terrible fucked up thing that I had tried to forget about my own CEDU. so thanx, OD.
-blownaway
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Ah...yes. mmmhmmm. MOOSECOOOOOOOOOOOCK!
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::puke:: ---That's Ottawa5 puking up MOOSE JUICE!!!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl:
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"I'm just another
Gentleman Loser
driving to Memphis
or somewhere the same"
I suppose after writing all I have you could hardly call me a "gentleman" loser. :smokin: But that is how I feel sometimes, and that is what I am talking about when I say I have so much anguish and nobody to pin it on. Often out in public, when I try to make a life for myself, I feel so much like a lost soul, someone broken and forgotten, someone wandering, someone who isn't even there at all.
"In a little while...
I'll be gone...
the moment's already past...
yeah it's gone...
I'm not here...
this isn't happening...
I'm not here...
I'm not here..."
-Radiohead, "How to disappear completely and never be found."
Luckily my father and his side of the family have taken it upon themselves to help me have a happy and healthy life. If it weren't for them, I would be out on the streets like Serb and Brian, and do what they did, cause in the end I know I wouldn't shoot myself. No, I don't hate any of you for wishing me to stop posting insane jabber, nor do I or will I ever wish upon any of you any harm. And thank you. You are helping me deal with my pain. All of you are. Seriously though, I truly have enjoyed being able to pull up the website any given day for the past two weeks and see "Ottowa sucks moose cock" at the top of the list. I'm sure Ottowa does too. I'm not an insane, out of control, irrational man, I'm more of a soldier, a thinking man of war, very deadly when he wants to be, but disciplined very well. Well I could use more discipline, I guess. That's why I'm going into marine officer's training on my summers off from college. I would like the opportunity to put foot to ass for my country. And besides, surviving in battlefield conditions is all I have known growing up, so I may as well do something I can do well. :skull:
The Sage
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My favorite thread too!
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On 2004-08-31 18:25:00, ottawa5 wrote:
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And now here you are,a grown up person who should be doing something worthwhile, acting like a 14 year old with a vocabulary he got from some older friends or some stupid rap song, and acting like this."
i think this is funny... had to be a rap song, huh?
we all know that rap is just another incarnate of the devil similarly to rock and roll back in the day..
except, now, we get to worry about racial attitudes weaved into the mindframes underlaying such beliefs.
what on earth would poor ottawa do if her disslehksick daughter wanted to get down with some evil gangster-rapper dick?
i'd really love to introduce lil' ottawa to ice cube and find out!
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well, that's hard to argue, now isn't it?