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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Richard Bradbury on August 05, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
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I do not have the exact date but my best guess is about 6-8 weeks. I have no further information for release at this time other than it has been something in the works for about 24 months.
Will advise of exact date and time as soon as the information becomes available. Can say, it's much bigger than anything you have ever seen to date.
Thank you Richard Bradbury
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Blah blah whatever. :???:
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I dislike hype. If you can speak about what is to come, for the future, why can't you tell us what it is now, Rich?
Is this going to be like MCG where you wind up getting us excited, only to have myself (the black sheep) discover the information that they wouldn't help us and finally get it leaked out to those many who have been eagerly told that MCG found a way around the statute of limitations and were proceeding with the case ?
I'm not trying to be rude here, it just seems like this adult/child cause is so much 'news' to be expected or something. You get me. I used to let this shit drive me nuts, but not anymor3. If you need me for something real, you can call me. Until then I really don't care to expect anything from this or that anything is really going to come from Pumpgate.
Unfortunately, the experiences of this board and protests and useless speaking to attorneys has lead me to these conclusions. So much so that many times I really want to kill myself because we all sense, and many have already told me in post, that nothing will likely come of this. I just dont like getting my heart beaten faster when its already tired from being kicked around for three years and thensome, only to be told that now is the time to get even.
You know what has to happen. I have expressed what I am willing to commit. There is no way around this statute of limitations, at all and you know it. I dont care for this 'news'. Those who were commited shall will to stand up with baseball bats and with knives and guns and make themselves known. Protesting only offers Sembler and his shitty kind further publicity. The only thing that will make him pay at this point is to have someone (NOT ME) take a loaded fucking gun to his family, have that person (NOT ME) murder some of them and let him see how it feels to really lose and feel humiliated, to feel taken advantage of and powerless over his existence next to others who deserve to watch him suffer as we did for so many decades while he ate cavier off our backs. I am not the one to use the gun or a bat or a knife on anyone, if someone would stand up and walk the fighting path with anyone then this Irish boy will make right by what was done to us, not fucking talk some fucking hype and then expect others to follow.
There are no children here anymore, though the pain may linger from yesterday. Zombies who still lurk and wait for the light to prevail on the way we are made to continue to act like we were the guilty ones. All eyes are open. You know in your heart what has to happen, I dont even need to fucking mention it. The made law has Completely failed so many since the inception of any cult for teens, and there is No one powerful to change it the way it presides in the minds and enforcements of our society. Richard, I do not consider you a leader.
What I am saying may or may not piss you off, perhaps you are apathetic, I dont presume to really know you. I am asking for a war, not blind apprehensiveness.
There is a saying that is very convenient here. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
You record conversations when others call you, dates of birth are not necessary when dealing with attorneys until full on acceptance of any case is given out. No news is necessary, guy, until you know for sure. Stop dicking around with hearts, man. If you want a real war, then I will be equally aside my sisters and brothers as we destroy those who still continue to oppress the millions of people who are captured under myths about drugs and behavior modifications and inequality of any class or whatever.
Until the truth is MADE to be heard, then I've heard it all before and its bogus just like it always has been. Please lets do something more than just speaking and talking about this and waiting. In the meantime, don't be an Anslinger.
I made a really fucking bogus website awhile back. I got alot of flack for it because people were all like "I dont want any part of these lies, this is not right and it takes away from credibility and our cause. This is like preaching to the choir."
Why all this talk? When is someone going to step forth and make some real lasting action against Sembler? Savior, I do invoke thee to step forth!!! Kill thineself, oh martyr!!! Lay low our masters who enslave us. But, shutup while you're doing it. I am tired of the hidden meanings and intentions. I do not have any credibility when it comes to getting even, you already know me.
By any means necessary shall the meek take back their own, but you wont' hear them coming, they dont' make 'news' of their steps.
I dont' have ethics - and if a few more people die to keep some pure enemies of evil from polluting those who are merely trying to live peacefully on this planet and not subjugate others in doing so, then let the people make the laws that govern that action. And it will be ameable and shall not be monopolized by any one person. When I get my wish of War on American Terrorists (Bush, Reagans, Semblers, etc), all those in their wake shall be irradicated. I will follow the savior who is said to return soon.
Did Gore really create the internet? Did Richard really shut down Straight? [ This Message was edited by: animals all of us on 2004-08-05 16:21 ]
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Looks like Reagan said it in better and less words than I did. Ha ha.
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Thanks for the info. It is maddening to still be fighting to stop the madness, fighting to be heard after 20 years or more. I admire your tenacity.
Personally, I don't believe that this story will be truly heard or the battle won through a single lawsuit even though the gathering of all the facts and court time is critical. It would be so satisfying to win some huge class action suit and see them get theirs, see the truth headlining newspapers.Most of America simply doesn't have the time or patience or attention span required to follow though. There are so many angles. The politics, the trechery, the various programs, their predecessors and successors, the sheer number of lives affected, the beginnings, the end, the crimes, and the individuals.There are so many stories to tell. Where do you start? Where do you end? It's a complicated subject as we all know. More likely it will get attention when it has emotional impact. When it is disguised as entertainment. Thats what Americans understand best, relate to well. And when it turns out that this outrageous story is true, it hopefully will shock and anger some people. Propel them into action or guilt them into it. Even if nothing happens at least the true story will be told. That all by itself would be a liberation.
Little by little the story gets out.The truth gets told. Maybe someday one of the protests, legal battles, websites, documentaries, politics, newspaper articles or individual human stories will strike a chord.Or maybe the combination of them all will inspire some significant piece of legislation. In the meantime, I'm appreciative of the effort regardless of the outcome.
:nworthy: It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I don't think any one news story or any one piece of legislation is going to do the trick either. As heretic as it may seem at first blush, I think it really works the other way around.
Public policy always follows public sentiment. Look at how smoking laws have come about. When we were kids, if there was a non smoking section at all in a restaurant, it was a couple of crappy tables within sloshing distance of the big swinging kitchen doors. Over time, public sentiment and market demand have shifted to where now it's the smokers stuck in the small section in the back. So NOW the politicians want to pass sweeping bans and take their bows. But they're really not causing these things to happen. They're just doing what politicians are good at, stealing thunder.
It takes a thousand voices to tell just one story. I'm not getting my hopes too high this time either. We may see a really Earth shaking media development here. If that happens, I'll be pleasantly surprised and busy hawking it out far and wide.
But even if it's not all that major, every little bit helps.
All I ask is equal freedom. When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow.
--H.L. Mencken
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My thoughts exactly.
One day a book or movie will be done in a way that hits people in their heart. And my gut is, it won't be about the politics, or broken laws. It will be the story of an individual or two that summarizes all the stories in order to deliver the most emotional impact. Think about 12,000 stories as 12,000 gallons of water. Put it in 12,000 buckets they are many but small and unfocused. Not powerful. Certainly, it would be difficult to put out a fire using all those buckets.Then think of the same 12,000 gallons together pouring out of a firehose. It has enough force to take men off their feet. To put out buildings ablaze. One human story that summarizes the critical elements of all our stories will deliver the most emotional impact. And that could cause outrage, debate, discussion, an interest in the facts, the crimes, the truth.
I won't hold my breath but I will help. Cross my fingers maybe. Wish. And be patient. There are not enough jails, not enough policemen, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people.
-- HUBERT H. HUMPHREY, speech (1965)
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Hatred comes from the heart; contempt from the head; & neither feeling is quite within our control.
- Arthur Schoperhauer
I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him
- Booker T. Washington
Hating people is like burning down your own house to get rid of a rat.
- Harry Emerson Fosdick
Nothing Brings People together more, then mutual hatred
- Henry Rollins
If you hate your parents, the man or the establishment, don't show them up by getting wasted and wrapping your car around a tree. If you really want to rebel against your parents: outearn them, outlive them, and know more than they do.
- Henry Rollins
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
- Hermann Hesse
Hatred is a feeling which leads to the extinction of values
- Jose Ortega y Gasset
We hate most in others what we dislike in ourselves.
- Laurrel K Hamilton, "Narcissus in Chains" ( $ )
Don't hate, it's too big a burden to bear.
- Martin Luther King, Sr.
He who lives by fighting with an enemy has an interest in the preservation of the enemys' life.
- Neitzsche
Latent in every man is a venom of amazing bitterness, a black resentment; something that curses and loathes life, a feeling of being trapped, of having trusted and been fooled, of being the helpless prey of impotent rage, blind surrender, the victim of a savage, ruthless power that gives and takes away, enlists a man, and crowning injury inflicts upon him the humiliation of feeling sorry for himself
- Paul Veléry
Hate and bitterness are the only weapons wielded by the blade.
- Thomas Gregory
Beshrew the heart that makes my heart to groan.
- William Shakespeare
Fear less, hope more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more; And all good things are yours.
- Swedish Proverb, In Proverbs
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I'm a Herman Hesse fanatic and wondering where you got his quote,(any of his books?) it's fantastic.
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I disagree.
I'm tired of the little helpful quotes. "Get some help". "One child at a time".
I see unwillingness, continually, to face truth by not fighting at all. I mean, this is all talk. "Lets really chat about it some more." Lets offer some quotes that will assuage the need to beat some heads together and see what blood pours forth that will repent what was done. We can chat about bringing our enemy to justice, we can talk about small changes and shit....but I know I dont really think that I was made to MAKE SMALL CHANGES!
Not at all. I was taken in hook and line and the whole motherfucking sinker. Haircut, confrontation, drug admission, sign on the dotted line, strip search, abandoned by family, illegally admitted and coerced.....and hell that's just the first few hours of the very first day of my intake. I was brainwashed by phase two and too far humiliated by my first week. How many children were admitted within the month I was admitted? How many, just in my wharehouse, were given the same bullshit story about how I must deserve to be there because I was on their property?
Forget small change. Nothing happens. Anslinger worked his way, through small change, to build the world of myth that he did. Through one movie, one person, etc etc. I understand what you mean by small change. But I believe that when the rubberband stretches so far out of shape that it becomes time for that rubber band whips the fuck back to the way it is, and fast before it snaps.
Don't get me wrong, I think what Bradbury is doing is good. In some fashion he is fighting, though I'd rather have him dug in the trash to find some of that cash Mel has or maybe his wife's head. I can appreciate the patience it takes, I certainly have none, to be involved in litigation. In some way I feel for the guy even though he's not easily reached.
So, I disagree.
While you sit there pitifully and wonder why your life is pathetic sometimes, and you wonder why you failed and why you aren't the person you should have been and life handed you a raw deal you already know by now its because nothing is free. Everything you have is because you had to fight for it. The government is going to see to it, even if these 'philanthropists' comes to court and depose themselves or whatever happens, that they stay unscathed. And so I don't care for the court systems and their 'tiny changes' that happen over ten or a hundred years. Are they changes? How long have we been waiting for justice?
I will take donations to scathe them. And I have some better sayings that are still used by the common people, not by dead book writers....
- "Nothing is free that isn't worth fighting for."
- "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
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I have waited 25 years. . . I can wait for the Bradbury piece to come out. Richard has Sembler et all by the balls (yes, Betty even your balls). The ball has started rolling and is fixin to pick up speed.
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I want to thank everyone for your continued support through my current legal situation and thank each of you for being patient.
These things take time. I have been an activist for 19 years, come this October 26, 2004 the date I resigned my staff position at Straight, Inc.
Let me assure you that togther we will continue working to assure that no one ever forgets "The Straight Holocuast."
Those responsible will and are legally being held accountable even as I write this to you.
Understand, everything can't be published on a open internet forum. The people responsible for our abuses and torture read this site, print all material and comments and keep detailed files on each of us.
When people write stuff like bringing harm to those "war criminals", i.e., those responsible for abusing and harming us while at Straight, Inc., it hurts our credibility as a whole and makes us look foolish.
Let the legal system work; it takes time but it will work. Don't be a victim become a leader; picket, give educational talks. work to change laws, etc, etc, etc. (It does work)
I have carried this quote in my pocket everyday since October 26, 1985 10:00 pm est, the day I resigned from Straight, Inc.
Ben Franklin once fired off a letter to his friend Joseph Priestley, a clergyman and scientist in England, suggesting that he put the following arithmetical problem berfore their mutual friend Richard Price, who enjoyed such puzzlers:
"Britain, at the expense of three millions, has killed 150 Yankies, this campaign," Franklin wrote, "which f20,000 a head: and at Bunker's Hill she gained a mile of ground....During the same time 60,000 have been born in America. From these data his mathematical head will easliy calculate the time and expenese necessary to kill us all, and conquerour whole territory."
The answer, he wanted England all of England to understand, was obvious. There would never be enough time or money.
Richard Bradbury
Tampa, Florida
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Hey Richard when you get a chance, check your private messages on this site.
Thanks,
Kathy
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Everyone that was ever held captive for profit is allowed to bitch, be upset and get justice for their inconvience. The sembler crew are criminals and assholes. They came up with their little scheme to make money and gain political positions. They are all corrupt. Who gives a shit if something looks bad. It is the truth. Anyone's feelings about how they were treated is the truth. Sembler put himself in a position to be scrutinized and we will all judge him. He is a bad example of a leader and almost anyone could do better. Of course kicking his ass might be wrong but who doesn't want to do it? Straighten out this straight ashole. He created it. He is it. Fuck him.
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As someone who was IN a similar program, many years ago, and benefited from it greatly, I will let you know that most of the posts I've read here are very child-like, vengeful and some authors could pass for mentally ill. This Bradbury has been an activist for almost 20 years, and what does he have to show for it? I've never even heard of this "cause" til someone told me about this site last week. I think most people would think many of you are just a bunch of disgruntled druggies who are still pissed that you were put in a drug program as a teen, and have never willingly accepted any help that you need. (Kids did not GO to these programs for being a little problematic -- face it). If you really want to make a difference, get involved with children organizations that help prevent kids from becoming "troubled teens", or better yet, form your OWN organization to make a POSITIVE difference in your community.
If all these founders and staff that you so dispise were placed on an island somewhere to die, that would not "bring you to a better place" with yourself. People have to look inside themselves and make the changes there. Go, be healthy and find your inner peace. (and yes - I expect to get a "fuck you" or "your brainwashed still " responses -- that appears to be typical here).
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On 2004-08-07 19:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
" As someone who was IN a similar program, many years ago, and benefited from it greatly, I will let you know that most of the posts I've read here are very child-like, vengeful and some authors could pass for mentally ill. This Bradbury has been an activist for almost 20 years, and what does he have to show for it? I've never even heard of this "cause" til someone told me about this site last week. I think most people would think many of you are just a bunch of disgruntled druggies who are still pissed that you were put in a drug program as a teen, and have never willingly accepted any help that you need. (Kids did not GO to these programs for being a little problematic -- face it). If you really want to make a difference, get involved with children organizations that help prevent kids from becoming "troubled teens", or better yet, form your OWN organization to make a POSITIVE difference in your community.
If all these founders and staff that you so dispise were placed on an island somewhere to die, that would not "bring you to a better place" with yourself. People have to look inside themselves and make the changes there. Go, be healthy and find your inner peace. (and yes - I expect to get a "fuck you" or "your brainwashed still " responses -- that appears to be typical here)."
Okay, what's your angle here? You didn't post that out of the goodness of your heart (LOL), You have some kind of agenda and I for one would like to know it, are you pumping Melvin?? Pardon the pun...
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When people write stuff like bringing harm to those "war criminals", i.e., those responsible for abusing and harming us while at Straight, Inc., it hurts our credibility as a whole and makes us look foolish.
It's not surprising that you would feel that way, Rich, being a war criminal yourself.
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Hey Anon that is grafeful to have been spit on, yelled at, degraded, etc. I formed my own organization http://www.pornjunkyusa.com (http://www.pornjunkyusa.com)
We need people to spit on and degrade for our video. If you volunteer it will help your soberity. So shoot me an e-mail or PM and we'll get busy kicking your ass for our profit and your soberity. :lol:
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Hey anon - I think you are very misguided and totally uninformed. Many many of us that post on this site make a diff. I was not a bad kid, nor did (or do )I have a drug problem. Give me an email at kpickle39@aol.com
Obviously, you weren't in straight.
Michael Sherman, Straight Survivor
St. Pete 1978 - 80
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On 2004-08-08 12:55:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
"Hey Anon that is grafeful to have been spit on, yelled at, degraded, etc. I formed my own organization http://www.pornjunkyusa.com (http://www.pornjunkyusa.com)
We need people to spit on and degrade for our video. If you volunteer it will help your soberity. So shoot me an e-mail or PM and we'll get busy kicking your ass for our profit and your soberity. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Come to the woods, for here is rest. There is no repose like that of the green deep woods. Here grow the wallflower and the violet. The squirrel will come and sit upon your knee, the logcock will wake you in the morning. Sleep in forgetfulness of all ill. Of all the upness accessible to mortals, there is no upness comparable to the mountains.
-- John Muir
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Reagan, Mike, Ginger, you guys are obviously blinded by your anger, since you totally misunderstood me. I think Straight was terrible. I also think that the war criminals, including Bradbury, should be held accountable for their crimes. Perhaps his good deeds could be considered by the judge during the sentencing phase.
Why are you so eager to get my email address anyway?
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Richard Bradbury has taken upon himself a life sentence of restitution.
What have you done lately?WHEN SPIDERS UNITE, THEY CAN TIE DOWN A LION
-- Ethiopian Proverb
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Sorry anon - I get upset when I think of children being abused today. Is that wrong? Not in my world. And, yes, I do contribute to my community.
The reason I wanted for you to email me is not to get your email address (my, your a bit paranoid aren't you), but to ask you some questions and not have to wait for you to get around on the fornits site. My main question why do you think Richard is a war criminal. He helped me see the light so to speak. Please, enlighten me anon.
Hey, all I want is for Sembler, et al to held accountable. That is fair.
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Do you think anon takes it up the ass? How about getting peed on? or even scat? I have a plunger in my bathroom that needs to be put to good use, someone should bring him over by the belt loops. God damn this is going to be a great video. Can I have your money anon? I will even throw in a castration scene.
http://www.pornjunkyusa.com (http://www.pornjunkyusa.com)
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yawn
[ This Message was edited by: animals all of us on 2004-08-09 00:25 ]
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Animals, what's you beef with Richard?
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Mike, I would like to see *all* those responsible held accountable. Richard Bradbury was a member of the Straight Inc. staff. Why should he be able to go without answering to the abuses he committed? If Saddam Hussein where to spend a few years championing the Shi'ite cause, would he suddenly be able to be forgiven for the millions of them that he slaughtered? I realize this is an extreme example, but if Bradbury is going to say, "Let the law work.", then he should not be excused for the things he did to contribute to the attrocities at Straight.
It seems that you people are not willing to do what it takes to allow justice to truly be served. You want to try to solve this in the civil courts, but there is no statute of limitations on criminal acts in the state of Florida. So why aren't you trying to get these people prosecuted for their *crimes*? I have pondered this question for quite some time. At first I thought it was because you are listening to the money-grubbing trial lawyers. But then I realized that many of you are also guilty, and maybe you just don't want to own up to the crimes that you have committed.
This is not something that is unique to the Straight case. For instance, there is a woman who posts frequently on these forums. She put her child son in an abusive program. When she removed him, he was covered with bruises. Instead of immediately going to the police and having the offenders arrested, she began collecting evidence for a civlil case. The only reason I can come up with that she didn't persue criminal charges, is that she was afraid of being implicated herself. I have seen several such examples.
Until *all* of the parties responsible for this crap agree to be held accountable, it is going to continue to go on. This means that the staff, the parents, the doctors, the cops, and anyone else involved, needs to come forward and take what may be coming to them. If they are indeed remorseful, and they are willing to work with the proper authorities, I'm sure there will be some leniency.
I just feel that the path you folks are taking, by persuing this soley in the civil courts, is the wrong one. The law can and will work, but only if you do the right thing and own up to your crimes. There seems to be a lot of lawyers who stand to make millions from this sort of thing. Their attitude of hush-hush, unorthidox investigative techniques are only serving to hurt your cause. They have also been using Progam-like tactics to extract information from victims of abusive programs and some of these people have had serious PTSD episodes as a result of it.
Perhaps I started off on the wrong foot her by not asking the venerable Bradbury to grace me with the opportunity to kneel before him and kiss his ring.
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But, I still disagree with what you are saying. We have been trying (or at least I have and I know of others) to get a law firm to represent us against Sembler, et al, bot civil and criminal. I am not in this for the money. I make a very very good living (I am a partner in a land planning, development and construction company. I don't need a settlement from the Semblers. We started a not for profit (see
http://www.safetyintl.org (http://www.safetyintl.org)) to try and let folks know about the dangers of harmful treatment programs. We also started it because if we ever do get a settlement of some kind, I'd like to take that settlement and set up thru SAFETY a trust fund to provide funds for counseling for the people that were in straight.
And, anon - I think there is a big difference between the peer staff (ie Richard and others) and the adults that ran the program. If you can not, then you are blinded by your emotions as well.
I was never on staff, I can admit to any of the "crimes" that I committed. My crimes by straight standards were pretty low. Typical oldcomer shit, but no way near how I was treated as a newcomer. I facilitated the long hours adn belt looped kids. That was wrong, I will admit. So Mr. Anon, I think Richard has atoned for his sins. I think (for what it is worth) that it is time you did your part to help the "causse". It is easy to sit at a keyboard and tyhpe out what is wrong...quite another to actually do something to make things better. Ginger, Wes, Richard and others actually do stuff to make the world a better place. We could use all the help we can get...now is the time for you to step up.
Make up an email address and drop me a line. Mine is kpickle39@aol.com
Cya
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Forgot to log in, above post is mine.
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Anon, you're mistaken about something. No one that I know of has skipped the criminal path and gone straight to civil. I know that in Sarasota, a LOT of people have gone to the cops and DA first. They even has one DA, James Gardner, who was sincerely interested and put together a lengthy indictment. Never got anywhere, though, after they moved all the kids back up to St. Pete.
The trouble with getting criminal proceedings going against these programs is that the cops are 1) complicit and 2) they don't see anything wrong w/ it.
Same w/ CYS (formerly HRS) You can go ahead and make a copmplaint. Just see if it goes anywhere. You can get together w/ a bunch of friends and recent victims and support the same complaints. Just see if it gets anywhere.
That's why the very FIRST amendment to our Constitution (Bill of Rights) includes freedom of the press. When the executive, judicial and legislative branches fail, we have the IVth Estate of government; our free press.
And, not to put too fine a point on it, but this is very quickly getting down to a use it or lose it proposition. Just look into media conglomeration as a political topic to see what I mean.Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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On 2004-08-08 21:01:00, JeffJizz wrote:
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Do you think anon takes it up the ass? How about getting peed on? or even scat? I have a plunger in my bathroom that needs to be put to good use, someone should bring him over by the belt loops. God damn this is going to be a great video. Can I have your money anon? I will even throw in a castration scene.
http://www.pornjunkyusa.com (http://www.pornjunkyusa.com)
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http://www.nypress.com/17/26/news&colum ... Larsen.cfm (http://www.nypress.com/17/26/news&columns/DonnaLarsen.cfm)
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Anonymous, what beef are you talking about?
I don't like guys, babe. I likes females. You heard?
But to address your deep abiding self-inflicting morbid curiousity which has touched my own self deprecating need to find meaning from people you've never met or hung out with; I really don't have to explain myself to you, Richie, or anyone else unless its doing harm to them somehow. And even then I will probably avert any mention as to my intentions cos most of the time I don't know them.
Since you are no doctor or counselor and I don't know you...then I can only hypothesize as to your furtherment of babble. It's babble; like a brook or a stream of brackish water. I find it soothing and entertaining, but most of the time I merely pass it in the bathroom when I'm through digesting it. Peace, niggah.
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On 2004-08-07 19:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
" As someone who was IN a similar program, many years ago, and benefited from it greatly, I will let you know that most of the posts I've read here are very child-like, vengeful and some authors could pass for mentally ill. This Bradbury has been an activist for almost 20 years, and what does he have to show for it? I've never even heard of this "cause" til someone told me about this site last week. I think most people would think many of you are just a bunch of disgruntled druggies who are still pissed that you were put in a drug program as a teen, and have never willingly accepted any help that you need. (Kids did not GO to these programs for being a little problematic -- face it). If you really want to make a difference, get involved with children organizations that help prevent kids from becoming "troubled teens", or better yet, form your OWN organization to make a POSITIVE difference in your community.
If all these founders and staff that you so dispise were placed on an island somewhere to die, that would not "bring you to a better place" with yourself. People have to look inside themselves and make the changes there. Go, be healthy and find your inner peace. (and yes - I expect to get a "fuck you" or "your brainwashed still " responses -- that appears to be typical here)."
Fuck you. You are brainwashed still.
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Anonymous has been misinformed. He said: "You want to try to solve this in the civil courts, but there is no statute of limitations on criminal acts in the state of Florida. "
All crimes have a statute of limitations except for murder (from 2 to 5 years.)
You may research it here:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index. ... TM&Title=- (http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/SEC15.HTM&Title=-)>2004->Ch0775->Section%2015#0775.15
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Well Rhonda, I guess that sums it up. And if you look at the OJ case, then you will see it is easier to get a civil judgment than a criminal judgement. Anymore questions that Rhonda can answer class????
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Ginger wrote:
The trouble with getting criminal proceedings going against these programs is that the cops are 1) complicit and 2) they don't see anything wrong w/ it.
That is simply not true! And you are contributing to the problem by saying that. The victims don't go to the cops because they think the cops won't do anything. These people are committing serious crimes and the victims need to do what is right and report the crimes. If local and state authorities do nothing, go to the Feds!
Rhonda, you are right, there are limitations on the time to prosecute many crimes. But, a capital or life felony has no time limit. It could certainly be argued that anyone who was in Straight, or any private program that held them against their will, was a victim of kidnapping. In Florida, kidnapping is punishable by life in prison. Doesn't this meet the definition of a "Life Felony"?
And just because it's easier to sue someone than it is to convict on crimianl charges, that doesn't mean it's ok to go straight to a lawyer and skip going to the cops altogether. These are criminal acts! If you are aware of a crime, and you don't report it, you are also guilty of a crime.
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On 2004-08-10 09:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
Ginger wrote:
The trouble with getting criminal proceedings going against these programs is that the cops are 1) complicit and 2) they don't see anything wrong w/ it.
That is simply not true! And you are contributing to the problem by saying that. The victims don't go to the cops because they think the cops won't do anything. These people are committing serious crimes and the victims need to do what is right and report the crimes. If local and state authorities do nothing, go to the Feds!
Obviously you have never lived in the Tampa Bay area. During the 1970's - 1993 when straight closed, kids were running to the cops all the time. AND we were taken back to straight or to JDC. The folks that run the counties, judges, schools, DCF/HRS, cities, etc all were in on keeping us in straight. I know because I ran4 times. 1 time to the Pinellas Sheriff's office and I was taken back to straight. 2nd time I ran to the school (ST. Pete High school) and I was taken back to straight. 3rd time, I went to the Clw Florida police and was taken back to straight. The 4th and final time, I ran to my parents, they had a judge court order me to straight. So again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Today, the people that ran straight are big fianancial contributors to almost every heavyweight politician in Florida Sembler is ambassador to Italy. His wife was co-chair of JEB's re-elction campaign. Senators and State Reps were on Straight's Board of Directors. The DFAF writes policy for the state of Florida and the US govt.
Rhonda, you are right, there are limitations on the time to prosecute many crimes. But, a capital or life felony has no time limit. It could certainly be argued that anyone who was in Straight, or any private program that held them against their will, was a victim of kidnapping. In Florida, kidnapping is punishable by life in prison. Doesn't this meet the definition of a "Life Felony"?
And, no, kidnapping in Florida DOES HAVE A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
And just because it's easier to sue someone than it is to convict on crimianl charges, that doesn't mean it's ok to go straight to a lawyer and skip going to the cops altogether. These are criminal acts! If you are aware of a crime, and you don't report it, you are also guilty of a crime."
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When YOU (or your parent -when you are a MINOR) SIGN a paper/contract to ENTER a program ... well, that is NOT kidnapping
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Well, two very big men came into my house, picked me up (screaming and spitting, biting and scratching) and carried me out my front door. They held me down in the back seat, where I cried and begged for them to let me go. I was driven to the Straight facility, where I was carried in (biting, scratching, spitting and screaming for help) to the front door of Straight, Inc. to which I straddled the door yelling, "NOOOOO!" While I cried. This all happened before I was signed in legally.
Not a good memory, sounds a lot like kidnapping to me. Drug War tells us everyone's body is common property
to be managed by the central government for our own
good, even if it kills us. This is Communism!
Drug Policy Foundation of Texas
--Bob Ramsey
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On 2004-08-10 10:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
" When YOU (or your parent -when you are a MINOR) SIGN a paper/contract to ENTER a program ... well, that is NOT kidnapping"
You mean when we're FORCED to sign a contract. Doesn't count.As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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again, you are incorrect. We were forced to sign. Just like forced confessions are not valid. Duh...is your name Melvin by any chance?
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And even where the parents consented, they did so under false pretenses. Straight described themselves as juvenile drug treatment "professionals". That was bullshit. They told the parents that they had "diagnosed" us as drug addicts. That was also bullshit. And those were just the two most obvious lies.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
--Albert Einstein
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R.,
You called 'some people' foolish earlier in a post. You did so by saying that when someone does something it makes them look foolish to a more specific extent.
And really, what is this Straight Holocaust? My lame ass website that threatens to bring them down in under a year has the same thoughts about Straight Holocaust. I have to wonder did Melvin Sembler put you up to that name since he's on the board there. American does not have the same laws that Germany did then.
What I find foolish is when you tell people that MCG has decided to move forward and they have found a way around the statute of limitations and its contrary. When I call them I find out they have dismissed the case two months prior. You remember the guys name right? His name was also Melvin, Mel Wright, PA.
So, by your own measure of what is foolish I am not sure what you mean. What would you think if a former staff member lied to you again while he (and other supposed long term survivors of his crew) was purporting to be for any cause? Of course you're going to say that your lie is different. You can even dress it up. But, still the whole old ass crew of survivors lied about it.
And I still say that a coup de' tat is the only way to make known what you want at this point.
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Animals - maybe I'm stoned, but your post makes no sense. Lemmee check. Hmmm, no, I'm not stoned.
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On 2004-08-10 11:21:00, Lezli wrote:
"Well, two very big men came into my house, picked me up (screaming and spitting, biting and scratching) and carried me out my front door. They held me down in the back seat, where I cried and begged for them to let me go. I was driven to the Straight facility, where I was carried in (biting, scratching, spitting and screaming for help) to the front door of Straight, Inc. to which I straddled the door yelling, "NOOOOO!" While I cried. This all happened before I was signed in legally.
Not a good memory, sounds a lot like kidnapping to me.
WHERE were your parents during all this??? WHY didn't that take action?... call the police?... do you hold your parents responsible at all??? You WERE a minor at that time, I assume... aren't they responsible for your well-being when you are under age 18?
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You are right that there are some crimes with no statute of limitations. I was just saying that the anonymous poster was wrong about there being no limitations on any crime in Florida.
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Actually those contracts were signed under duress. Were lied to, threatened and coerced. I don't know that I was kidnapped but I was most certainly falsely imprisoned.
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.
--Mark Twain
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On 2004-08-10 15:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
WHERE were your parents during all this??? WHY didn't that take action?... call the police?... do you hold your parents responsible at all??? You WERE a minor at that time, I assume... aren't they responsible for your well-being when you are under age 18?"
My mom was there, but she was under the impression that I would DIE without this action being taken. She was already duped by the tough love system, Straight being the second child prison she sent me to. The first being 18 months, and Straight another 18 months. I did almost four years prison time as a child. Yes, I held her responsible, but since that time she has apologized and taken full responsibility for her terrible judgement and actions, and I have forgiven her.
She has a bumper sticker on the back of her car that reads, ?I brake for children fleeing from abusive drug rehabs. http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com) ?
A lot of parents were looking for someone else to give them the answers, and as a result, many did terrible things to their children with out realizing, until it was too late. Many families have never recovered from their experiences.
For three days after death, hair and fingernails continue to grow but phone calls taper off.
-- Johnny Carson
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On 2004-08-10 15:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Animals - maybe I'm stoned, but your post makes no sense. Lemmee check. Hmmm, no, I'm not stoned. "
Wasn't speaking to you A. If I were then you would be made to understand. Now shutup and face forward, there's nothing to see here. If you check your sentence composition you would see that it makes no sense. Hmm, lemmee check, nope ... you forgot to check. If you were not stoned then it means, by your words, that I made sense. So, its good to know you understood that there are fallacies abounding.[ This Message was edited by: animals all of us on 2004-08-10 21:27 ]
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My mom was there, but she was under the impression that I would DIE without this action being taken. She was already duped by the tough love system, Straight being the second child prison she sent me to. The first being 18 months, and Straight another 18 months. I did almost four years prison time as a child. Yes, I held her responsible, but since that time she has apologized and taken full responsibility for her terrible judgement and actions, and I have forgiven her.
She has a bumper sticker on the back of her car that reads, ?I brake for children fleeing from abusive drug rehabs. http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com) ?
A lot of parents were looking for someone else to give them the answers, and as a result, many did terrible things to their children with out realizing, until it was too late. Many families have never recovered from their experiences. "
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May I ask what kind of things you were doing, to make your parents look into treatment for you in the first place?? (be honest now - don't leave out anything important).
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On 2004-08-07 20:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-08-07 19:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
" As someone who was IN a similar program, many years ago, and benefited from it greatly, I will let you know that most of the posts I've read here are very child-like, vengeful and some authors could pass for mentally ill. This Bradbury has been an activist for almost 20 years, and what does he have to show for it? I've never even heard of this "cause" til someone told me about this site last week. I think most people would think many of you are just a bunch of disgruntled druggies who are still pissed that you were put in a drug program as a teen, and have never willingly accepted any help that you need. (Kids did not GO to these programs for being a little problematic -- face it). If you really want to make a difference, get involved with children organizations that help prevent kids from becoming "troubled teens", or better yet, form your OWN organization to make a POSITIVE difference in your community.
If all these founders and staff that you so dispise were placed on an island somewhere to die, that would not "bring you to a better place" with yourself. People have to look inside themselves and make the changes there. Go, be healthy and find your inner peace. (and yes - I expect to get a "fuck you" or "your brainwashed still " responses -- that appears to be typical here)."
Okay, what's your angle here? You didn't post that out of the goodness of your heart (LOL), You have some kind of agenda and I for one would like to know it, are you pumping Melvin?? Pardon the pun...
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Obviously....they used the term "druggie"...His post smacked of program..
Hes just a random outsider that happened on this site tho! suuure
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On 2004-08-10 15:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
On 2004-08-10 11:21:00, Lezli wrote:
"Well, two very big men came into my house, picked me up (screaming and spitting, biting and scratching) and carried me out my front door. They held me down in the back seat, where I cried and begged for them to let me go. I was driven to the Straight facility, where I was carried in (biting, scratching, spitting and screaming for help) to the front door of Straight, Inc. to which I straddled the door yelling, "NOOOOO!" While I cried. This all happened before I was signed in legally.
Not a good memory, sounds a lot like kidnapping to me.
WHERE were your parents during all this??? WHY didn't that take action?... call the police?... do you hold your parents responsible at all??? You WERE a minor at that time, I assume... aren't they responsible for your well-being when you are under age 18?"
Once again...you have proven that you know nothing about the programs...or how they operated...or anything..
Dont come here and spark deep conversations about things ...you said yourself you just happened upon this site. You dont know anything about any of this...
At least read up about it first before you just jump in with your inane bullshit.
Oh, and Fuck you, you are brainwashed
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http://http://www.infowars.com/index.html
Police State is coming
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On 2004-08-11 06:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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My mom was there, but she was under the impression that I would DIE without this action being taken. She was already duped by the tough love system, Straight being the second child prison she sent me to. The first being 18 months, and Straight another 18 months. I did almost four years prison time as a child. Yes, I held her responsible, but since that time she has apologized and taken full responsibility for her terrible judgement and actions, and I have forgiven her.
She has a bumper sticker on the back of her car that reads, ?I brake for children fleeing from abusive drug rehabs. http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com) ?
A lot of parents were looking for someone else to give them the answers, and as a result, many did terrible things to their children with out realizing, until it was too late. Many families have never recovered from their experiences. "
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May I ask what kind of things you were doing, to make your parents look into treatment for you in the first place?? (be honest now - don't leave out anything important)."
Not really your fucking business is it.You expect her to just dump all of her lifes details and aspill them out to you....for your inspection and judgement as to whether she deserved the abuse?
You have some nerve motherfucker. Who are you to judge and deem whether or not kids deserved it?
What if she was using drugs? Or having sex? Or drinking and sneaking out?
Does that mean she deserved lifelong damaging abuse...destruction of her ego? Loss of all self worth for 20 years?
You need to step back and just bow out of this.
Straight wasnt just some tough treatment program.
It was blatant abuse, mind control, torture..
How do I know? because I was there.
Wanna know what I did? I was a depressed 12 YEAR OLD...who had a schizophrenic abusive mother and an emotionally detatched father who was gone all of the time.
I was a virgin
I had never seen any drugs other than pot I smoked mabey 3 times...
I was severely withdrawn and depressed and my psycho abusive mother wanted to warehouse me out of her perfect illusion of a life.
I asked for help...and I was lied to..about the program. I had never heard of any of it..I was 12.. I was told I could live with other kids who understood me...and go to six flags and the mall and a new better school...and most of all be away from my mother..who would dig her nails into my wrists until I bled in public till she could get me home to hit me in the face with closed fists...pummeling me calling me "little piece of shit" "fucking bastard" and other wonderful things..
After 12 years of that...of course I was withdrawn and depressed and oing bad in school.
My mother had convinced me from the time I was old enough to think that I was a piece of trash.
SO did I deserve it?
Now stop asking people their personal history its not your concern..
I saw handfulls of kids who were in there and were sexually abused...I watched as they were goaded and screamed at and told it was their fault for being a little druggie whore...that they were raped by their unles etc...
Now kindly shut the fuck up...and go tend to things you know something about.How dare you come on here with your haughty judgemental attitude.
Know what? I am fucking mentally ill.
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On 2004-08-11 06:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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May I ask what kind of things you were doing, to make your parents look into treatment for you in the first place?? (be honest now - don't leave out anything important)."
How dare you assume that she's lying or hiding anything! Who the hell are you? You reek of program thought and obviously prefer to control and put others down rather than see the obvious truth of what is in front of you. Does it make you feel good, on the inside? I doubt it.
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Anonymous, I was 13 years old. My father had been killed in a car accident 6 months before I was put in my first child prison. Before that he had physically and emotionally abused me since the age of two because of his own severe emotional problems. I was a very unhappy child, and it showed, for good reason.
I was raped by my stepbrother (my mom remarried almost immediately) who was 24 and I 13. He also gave me cocaine, pot and alcohol during those times. Going to prison camp for 18 months helped none of those things, and my stepbrother, whom I ratted out in camp, and in Straight was never held accountable legally for his actions. That was how I lost my virginity.
By 15 I had been raped again, several times by a guy my mom was letting live in our guest room after my stepfather died of colon cancer. Within another 6-9 month time span I was basically kidnapped and sent to Straight. I was a runaway for about two weeks before Straight, because I was scared to death of being sent away again, and really hated my home life because I felt no safety there.
I forgot to mention the psyche ward my mom sent me to in-between prisons. It was all punishment based and pumping me full of drugs.
I was a troubled child and teen, and by the way, I don?t appreciate being told, "Now, be honest..." Don't talk to me like I'm a child, or make these kind of underhanded accusations while trying to extract from me very personal answers. I am an emotionally healthy 33 year old woman. I set healthy boundaries in my life today, and will not allow myself to be abused or manipulated. I have an emotionally healthy, happy, well adjusted 13 year old daughter, who is pulling a 3.7 GPA who loves to read and is a wonderful writer. Please give me the respect I deserve. I have been completely honest. Even in Straight I never lied. It just so happens that the first time I ever tried cocaine, it was my mother's that I found in her dressing room. Same thing with pot. This was before my father died, but all of that is really beside the point. My mother was looking for an easy way out of the responsibility she signed up for by having a child, and she found some ?easy ways? that damn near destroyed me, and cost her a lot of money in the process. Not to mention causing immutable damage to our relationship.
As I said before, my mother today is utterly regretful about these poor decisions she made with me, and has cried to me, asking forgiveness. It's taken 18 years for me to get past the pain sufficiently. To be able to put things into proper perspective, and have a relationship with my mother at all, is a miracle. I owe most of that to therapy, but all of it to God.
These tough love programs don?t help parents raise a healthy, mentally stable child. They destroy their spirits and drive wedges between families. Parents should raise their children, in every aspect. Therapy can be very helpful, but therapy takes time and patience to work. Sending your child away to be punished conveys one big message, ABANDONMENT.
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My apologies. I had serious doubts about several who said they were in the program. I know alot of 'us' have trouble even now with relationships. Disabilities were created and some remain even after several years.
Awhile ago, Bradbury mentioned that I should find an attorney to fight and make a litigation against the Federal Government. I was wondering if anyone would like to hop on board with me on this one.
I am feeling very tired of seeing so much child abuse linger in the adults, people who would not be this way if they had not been treated with neglect and recklessness.
I would have known you in a different light, in a different life - and you deserve to be safe and feel that you are worthy of whoever it is you really want to be. These oppurtunities to develop into a healthy adult were probably stolen from you. This happened on a very legal platform that, from what some have said, should definitely be tried in court.
I heard from a friend the other day. He said: "Its not enough to write one letter. You have to write five a week until the person you want to listen to you starts listening."
Its not enough to protest or to do some things and then say - well I tried but nothing happened so now my pride dictates myself. By giving it your all you give all of your time, effort, creativity, willingness to let go and let the thing become what it deserves to be.
Let Sembler's actions; let Loebenberg's actions; let Bush's actions; let Reagan's actions dictate what your actions will be. They not only lied and made sure that you and me and thousands of other children had no hope of succeeding in the court systems, but they destroyed families and lives beyond any measure they could have known.
Protests every year, conventions, letters...its not enough. A movie will die after a few weeks when it is released. News comes out every day and the next day there's more news of anything you want to hear.
I am willing to put together a tight NightShift of people who really want to pump some new life into any cause against Straight - and make sure we change the legal system and its statutes. I will organize, harrass, enlighten, boss around, 'go nuts', and generally just kick some tail in trying to pull together some people who want to be creative enough to try new things to get some attention, media, change of apathy from the law and from society regarding its deadly perceptions, shaming, nonconversational and 'not me', rugswept and fat attitudes about child abuse and child rapists. Within your neighborhood block their live many personalities. Within a four block radius of you maybe at least one child abuser or even a child molester lives, she or he may not be registered with your county. Maybe you know them. But I bet you don't. Are they leaving their children unattended. Do you notice that some parents in your neighborhood let their children roam the neighborhood for a few hours after school, the parents are at work? Some parents let their children roam the neighborhood to 'find friends'. Does anyone in your neighborhood take special interest in your children? Perhaps they like to babysit your children even though you don't ask for it. If your child is getting in trouble at school or other places, have you considered that you might be breaking the law and not supervising them the way they deserve to be supervised?
Remember only one thing:
Straight Inc. is not about the abuses it did to just you. There are others out there it happened to and worse; these things are still happening. Facilities are being built every day, some are not under the guise of 'treatment' either. 3 million to 4 million children are molested every year worldwide. That Straight Incorporated existed and its criminals are still at large is just one small example of the purely evil and useless, daily crimes against children.
Therefore, you are able to deduce from this high numbered statistic that your cause is worth going absolutely crazy over, worth being paranoid of your neighbor or any person for that matter who claims to be in authority (church, state, law, etc). This cause you take, your cross, is one about making sure that innocence is not taken away from other children. The laws must be changed and stipulations and fines must be made to hurt when parents can't get counseling or make the family life work and decide to leave their children neglected, abandoned or abused, or left unsupervised. Its the children who get ousted and left out in the cold or starve or die when parents can't get their lives organized and they dump their children off on others without investigating so much as a background check; when an institution that keeps staff members or clergy or guardians housed and fed while they let spread their disease on undeserving juveniles; or when any person in a position of authority such as staff member, policeman, politician, church member, babysitter, teacher, parent and/or other over a child decides to misuse the given privilege for their own emptiness and misconceptions or frivoloty about old and applicable privacy and unnaplicable laws.
Raising children in a world fit to be raised is always about the child. Otherwise, don't abide over, or even have children.
I am prejudiced for all children while I am working and fighting for them and for myself. Children raise many questions in my mind that I do not take lightly, if you say the wrong thing and mess up you can go to jail or they might get hurt or you might get something stuck to you that won't come off. But these cautions and precautions aren't the hinderances against developing a world more free of violence, animalistic behaviors, and non community interactions. You know it is the laws that actually protect the criminals who molest children and abuse them, it is population consent and misperceptions about child human rights that children cannot have any say when it comes to what others do to them or use them in legal and authoritative abuse.
What is yesterday is still important only if it is used to make today better. I WILL do my part now. I AM doing my part now. I am joining with you in finding more productive and creative ways to irradicate criminalities, set new precedence for our world and its next generations who, in not too many years from now, will be driving our cars and working to serve their communities and raising their own children and shopping at our stores and living next door to us and living in our own homes?
I'm not being abstract in the least here. Children can be rescued from neglect and abuse, and in so doing this creates a safer neighborhood and better humans who have more desire. And not a desire to continue cycles of abuse or neglect or senses of guilt and perjury under the eyes of god or state or country or family, not a desire or wish to harm others because of what was done to them or not done to them.
We are developing desires to continue development and impenetrable growth of that imminent safety, that abiding community, even that fellowship and trust - that comes from knowing we are innocent in the eyes of each other.
Now you give me the word. We organize a unit that will go crazy and find our enemies behind bars or better. Commit me, and commit yourself to this cause. Fight the way we were fought against. We are bigger and older and healthier and much, much wiser now. They cannot hurt us now. Call me, write me. I will respond.
saurian_editor@hotmail.com
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I can't wait for the exciting news.
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Bradbury will string you along, so will Wes....but when you try to get close to information that they know you should rightfully have - such as court documents or attorney information - they can't be contacted or bothered. Ray is purported to have broken into a wharehouse and have stolen information, where is that information now? I doubt he really closed any Straight.
For that matter, I closed a Straight Inc. Write to me and I'll tell you how I did it.
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On 2004-08-08 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Reagan, Mike, Ginger, you guys are obviously blinded by your anger, since you totally misunderstood me. I think Straight was terrible. I also think that the war criminals, including Bradbury, should be held accountable for their crimes. Perhaps his good deeds could be considered by the judge during the sentencing phase.
Why are you so eager to get my email address anyway?"
I AM SICK OF IT JUST FUCKING SICK OF IT.....
Rich is not nor ever was a criminal!!!!! I am sick of you anon pro sembler pro straight jackasses posting here... Go start your own site. Get the fuck off of here. If you disagree with the sacrafices rich et al are doing then go do something counter productive! Instead you sit on your asses surfing the net like a bunch of loosers. What your wife not giving you any??? Well I know of a pump that can relieve you of your pent up tension. Its on Ebay and hey your messiah has left a little deposit for you so you can feel a little closer to the fucked up scumbag that PROFITED OFF OF OUR TORTURE.... DON'T YOU GET IT. ARE YOU THAT IGNORANT. DID STRAIGHT CRAWL SO FAR UP YOUR ASS THAT YOU NOW CHOKE ON THE BILE OF PAIN WE ALL SUFFERED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I AM IN NY AND I INVITE YOU TO COME ON UP AND HAVE A PUBLIC DEBATE ABOUT THE "GOODNESS OF STRAIGHT" I'LL PAY FOR THE VENUE YOU JUST SHOW YOUR ASS UP. AND OH YEAH BY THE WAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME OUT TO BE A PART OF IT. OH YEAH YOUR TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO SAY WHO YOUR ARE. JUST ANOTHER ANONOMOUS PERSON USING VERBAL MASTERBATION TO GET HIS/HER ROCKS OFF.
SIT THE FUCK DOWN, OR FACE UP. YOU LITTLE LONELY PRICKS>>>>> :evil:
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Mr. Bradbury is held in my highest esteem as a staffer. One of the best.
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Tard!
Long time no drool!
Welcome back.
:nworthy: One has to multiply thoughts to the point where there aren't enough
policemen to control them
--Stanislaw Lec
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Good to be back, Carmel. Miller and I have TONS of work to do here as usual...
I have a small favor to ask of you..
Do you remember that 'F-Tard dance' website URL?
If you could be so kind as to post it again..?
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Methinks it was http://www.tarddance.com (http://www.tarddance.com), dunno if it is still up though.
Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
--Edward Everett
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The tard dance...how utterly politically incorrect, offensive, degrading....
..and funny!
Now I finally get the Dr. FucTARD reference. Thanks.
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you would.