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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 03, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
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Did anyone else ever find it odd that, while they would not allow us to read a cereal box or wipe our butt without asking permission, we were allowed - encouraged, really - to SWEAR our ASSES off?
I just thought it was weird that the one thing they didn't try to discipline us about was basic human manners and politeness. I guess it was the one thing we could do to vent. We couldn't smoke a joint of have sex, but man we could say FUCK at the top of our lungs all day long and it was OK.
Just thought it was weird.
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We were not allowed to cuss. We had to invent ridiculous phrases to cover what should have been a cuss word like: "I saw you rocking out during morning rap you think your a billy bad stick...this stuff is not funny you are gonna die man"
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Wow, were you in STRAIGHT? I must have heard all the "big ones" a thousand times a day in 1985, and I'm hardly exaggerating. But we could NOT use the word "man" in the manner you used above. HAHA! What a bunch of garbage.
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"Billy Bad Stick?"
That's so stupid it's hilarious.
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Yes, I thought it was really strange. But I did realize that I wasn't going to move off of first phase until I learned to cuss like a sailor. I kept being told I was "putting off" as "sweet and innocent" or "intellectual" or that I thought I didn't belong there (which was true)because I thought I was better than everyone else (which was not true). I listened and observed some more and realized that a filthy mouth was what I was missing. But never once did I dare say "maaaan" or "coooool" that would have been too druggy. They taught me how to cuss.
Isn't it funny when a parent would complain about the hours we had to keep or the language staff was using, exec. staff always said, "what you don't think your druggy kids ever stayed out late or cussed?" Which meant the language and hours we kept were acceptable because they were relating to us as "druggies" but in group we were told to shed everything from our "druggie pasts"
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Ever get the feeling they were intentionally trying to encourage us to think about suicide?
All part of the mindfuck.A multitude of laws in a country is like a great number of physicians, a sign of weakness and malady.
--Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)
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My parents were very religious and didn't swear at all. I don't know that my mother ever even heard some of those words before. Yet somehow my learning to swear a blue streak was acceptable. Crazy to be singing zippity doo dah while someone was being restrained and then listening to the staff call someone a selfish ungrateful fucked up little bitch. how many times did I hear or even tell somebody they were full of shit.
I'm amazed there was a straight that didn't allow swearing. It was mandatory in St Pete in the early 80's.And suffering is not a badge of honor. Experiencing tyranny does not deserve a bow or a kiss. The honor is in removing the stumbling stone. The honor is in the impolite destruction of tyranny through honest, powerful dialogue - not etiquette. Not political correctness.
Maximus
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As far as Atlanta in the late 80's and beyond, the only people allowed to cuss were staff members. Phasers including 5th phase staff trainees couldn't cuss until they graduated and/or made staff.
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:lol: OH. That's kind of funny. It's like cussing in Atlanta in the late 80's was a privledge you had to earn. You couldn't cuss on your phases but you could on staff or as a graduate. And they were to be our "Straight examples" How screwy do these people who ran straight get???
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Things were definately more liberal in St. Pete, 'far as cussing. We could and did cuss like crazy. Also, for a while we could smoke in group. Rule was ". . . people 18 and over can smoke in group" 1 cig per hour and we could light up if a staff member did. I rembember sucking on butts trying to get 'em going again to get a tobacco hit. Never was very successful at getting them going again.
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Same with Boston - we were not allowed to swear - back in '85 we were - until we sang "Dead Fuckin' Moose" and that song as well as swearing were banned -
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On 2004-08-03 15:08:00, Antigen wrote:
"Ever get the feeling they were intentionally trying to encourage us to think about suicide?
All part of the mindfuck.A multitude of laws in a country is like a great number of physicians, a sign of weakness and malady.
--Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)
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Yeah, and sadly for many of us, we left Straight suicidal and/or self destrucive. the war on drugs is but one manifestation, albeit a very dramatic one, of the great moral contests of our age -- the struggle between two diametrically opposed images of man: between man as responsible moral agent, 'condemned' to freedom, benefiting and suffering from the consequences of his actions; and man as irresponsible child, unfit for freedom, 'protected' from its risks by agents of the omnicompetent state.
--Thomas Szasz
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Yeah the "Billy Bad Stick" was pretty hilarious...a favorite around the old building was yelling "Your so FOS!!" the favorite misbehavior trick was to yell out shit right after the FOS "was said" and giggle all together. It was like living in an institution for tourettes sufferers or a revival of the Beavis and Butthead fan club. They were obviously rebelling against the mindfuck...but come on, once OK funny haha, but 5 times a day...not so funny.
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Father A, are you who I think you are? Curly blond, blue eyes? 1985/6?
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No cussing when I was in...no man or cool either...druggie slang.
Only the occasional infuriated, mouth frothing 5th phaser was allowed the token "you are SO FULL OF SHIT". There's no biochemical test to distinguish the so-called manic-depressive person from the elated or despondent football fan. Nor is there any resan to assume the manic-depressive's inner experience is driven by twisted molecules while the football fan's is driven, at worst, by twisted values
Dr. Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry
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Wow. In St Pet in 81 Maan or cool or Later would get you a refresher but Full of Shit was a prerequisite to the next phase.
If you think about why you hate me, you might find that it's not me.
--Antigen
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Carmel they must have changed that right after I left...
I left in jan 1989 and cussing was in full swing althought motivating was cut out...
Instead we all half stood with bent knees raising 1 arm and going "ooh ooh" as if we were about to shit ourselves..
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I'm about as far away from Curly Blonde as you can get - LOL!
I was in Straight - Stoughton MA - from 85 - 86
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Admittedly, my memory of being in there is hazy, but I don't remember not being able to swear - it was about the only vice there was left! I vaguely remember hearing "Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up" more than once.
I'll have to defer to Father A and his steel-trap memory.