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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: oh shizzle son on August 02, 2004, 05:09:00 PM
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Anyone From Boulder Creek Academy? Around 2001 to 2003ish...just lemme know, im new to this and i am piiiiiiisssed haha j/k
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whats up who is this
and hoew do i get rid of this fucking quote bullshit Locate the blind spot in the culture--the place where the culture isn't looking, because it dare not--because if it were to look there, its previous values would dissolve.
Terence McKenna
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yea, i was at bca from 2000-2003
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i was in peer group 27 (1/2)
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the last two were from me, and i was in peer group 27 (1/2) :wink:
When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
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Anonymous . . . for obvious reasons
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hey guys... how do you get this quote thing to stop coming up on the bottom of whatever i write?
Understand that legal and illegal are political, and often arbitrary,
categorizations; use and abuse are medical, or clinical, distinctions.
--Abbie Hoffman
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:???: I am new at bca. my daughte tells me that she cannot write what she feels because her leters are read by staff beforethey are mail to me. she tels me that i really do n't understand
what really goes on there. she tells me she writes, but , i very seldom get a letter from her.
She said that if she writes what is really going on she is told that she is manipulating us and ends uo getting in trouble, so she does not write often. How can this be, if a person needs too express themselves to be understood by their peers and staff. What really is going on at boulder creek academy? What is really going on with the staff? Are they really trying to help all of these kids who are in need or is there some kind of game plan going on to aggitate these young teens into trying to get them too fall back
instead of tying to help them to move forward in their yong lives. Is it true that the staff gets in your face using four letter words and yelling at the kids instead of using kindness and trying to undestand your problem and tohelp u to cope with them? I have been hearing alot of horror stories about th staff with the kids.
I am told that many kids are being pulled from bca
after parents hear the profile that bca gives of a kid. Is this true? What do u know that can help
parents or guidians on this subject? :???:
trying to make a decision on a very important matter.
CONFUSED
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Get your kid out of there. I am an adult now who went to the school for six months before leaving. (And no despite what they told my parents, I didn't end up in trouble or on drugs when I left. That's what they tell you to keep us there. If you complain, they say your kid is manipulating you. They told ALL of our parents that.) They do monitor your letters and phone calls and you cannot write anything real. The raps (group "therapy") are totally emotionally abusive and the only way to progress through the program is to bully others and have these emotionally facilitated breakthroughs--often BS. People are so pressured they often cop out to things they never did just from the barrage of abuse and unrelenting pressure.
Even if your kid is screwed up, you are torn down and made to feel like scum.
The environment is so insulated and everything is polarized as good/bad to such degree you do not learn how to operate in the real world later.
I can't even go into the endless details but if you have questions, get out. Go with your gut feeling.
Right now, we have some of posters who have taken this site off track in terms of elucidating what goes on, so check out the early threads that describe in detail. Ex staff have also posted as they were shocked by what was going on but soem have edited their comments out because of fear of retaliation or confidentiality. So look back....
Do not take the staff's words for it.
Also, some recent grads/parents are still brainwashed; that often wears off in a few years after reality begins to filter back in. Many students never tell their parents what they really went through because it is all too bizarre to be believed.
Unfortunately, the school paints the naysayers as "ex troubled teens" or disgrunteled staff which is offensive to all of us who went through it.
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that was a very good reply, and i have to agree with EVERY word of it. you DO need to get your kid out of there. a lot of the staff will take yelling, criticism, and insulting the kids too far there, to the point where the student feels helpless and like they messed up not only that they screwed up their lives, but everyone elses around them. if a staff screws up on anything, they will blame the kids i.e. they say they lied to them to get away with something, or you should be more aware and stop putting the blame on every one else here. the whole place is hypocritical, and i personally believe that the staff should be put and treated as a student for a week or so, so that they will understand what they put us through on a daily basis.
The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
O'Brien, the apparatchik
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I am not a parent, but clearly you have a tough choice in front of you. I assume that you sent your daughter to BCA as reaction to real challenges she was facing in her life. Taking her out of BCA will not alleviate those challenges, but I believe that by forcing her to remain at BCA her challenges will only increase for the reasons listed in previous posts.
I do not believe that BCA is a good placement for any one. As a past student it is clear to me, that BCA accepts such a wide range of students that there is no way that the program can met the needs of all students. Improving one's mental health is not a one-size-fits all proposition.
I'd like to imagine that if I were a parent who was concerned about my child at BCA I'd do the following:
1. Take a long weekend off from work and show-up at BCA unannounced. I'd arrive in town on Wednesday night, and show up at BCA on Thursday in time for first light.
2. I'd ask to participate in all the activities that my child participates in. You are the customer. If you are denied the ability to see what your child partakes in on a daily basis that should raise some serious concerns. You sound like a very strong person, but be prepared for some hard-core pushback. Sure you will disrupt BCA activities by your being there, but you have every right to see what your daughter is going through. It would be great if every parent had an opportunity to have a first hand experience of the BCA rituals.
3. While you are at the school on Thursday and Friday, talk to other students. Talk with new comers, and the students who have been there longer. Do not let them tell their story, but rather question their beliefs. Do the beliefs, as the students purport, seem to be hallow? i.e. if some a student says something like I believe that love is life and that fear is death. Ask them what they mean by that statement. Ask them how that belief and or statement is manifested in their life. If this seems strange to you -- its because it is weird. This is the type of stuff your daughter will learn or has learned. The BCA experience is filled with Rhetoric that pushes disassociation rather than real understanding.
4. Attend a rap. In the middle of a rap -- ask the students if the rap that you are in is like all the other raps that they attend. If you get into a rap, since the school pushes absolute 'so-called' honesty you should get some very interesting answers.
5. I'd also do a bit research before going up to BCA. If you decide that BCA is not the best environment for your child, where are you going to bring her next? Can she come home? If not, what are the other options? If there is a lead-time on the other options where can she stay in the interim? Can your daughter be a part of the team evaluating what her next steps will be?
6. On Friday night, I?d take my daughter back to the hotel to spend the rest of the weekend. Expect pushback here too. Again you are the customer, and this is your child. You have every right to spend unsupervised time with your child. Just so we are clear, the concept of AMA [Against Medical Advise] is not applicable to BCA. An MD will not strongly advocate for you not to spend one-on-one time with your child.
While you are with your child try to figure out, if it is possible, what the two of you should do as a team to help her get to a better place emotionally.
Maybe, BCA is the right choice. I'd be very surprised if it is the right choice. The whole concept of behavior modification does not address the underlying catalyst of the behavior.
In closing, I urge you to pull your daughter out of BCA. But first go to the school spend sometime at the school, so you are making the decision from first-hand knowledge.
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I totally agree with the above noters. I personally before attending BCA was at Island view academy it is more of a residential program i thought it wa salot better than BCA times 100. I am not saying to send your child there but i am gonna explain the difference. At Island View the people that worked with us either had a bacholer's in psycology oran associates still studying. The therapist there where very experienced and all and all there was no inexperience uneduacted people there. When i went to BCA staff admited that they had only highschool dimploma's or not even that much. The therapist where either brainwashed or on probation/ about to get fired because they didn't agree with the program. So personally as a parent I would look into who is working with u're children the extent of there education and you should also question what do they no about children with your child problems and how do they deal with that and the ways that they will try to help your child. Now when you go to BCA go strong minded cuz if you are weak they will suck you in easily. Always remember they will try to shove there ways down your throat. Good luck I wish you and your child the best ever.
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that was a good suggestion about going to the school, and asking to attend in the daily activities. i think that will help you get a glimps of what really goes on... but don't be supprised if the place doesn't seem as harsh as your daughter says it is... staff will put on an act while you're there because they want you to think that she really is manipulating (that the place really isn't that bad), when in fact, she's telling the truth, they will treat her with a hell of a lot more respect then usual, and will make you "feel at home" - DO NOT GIVE IN TO THAT, however, by going to the campus unannounced, you will catch at lot of the staff off guard; since they weren't expecting a visitor, they wouldn't have time to make the kids do extra cleanning around the house or the dorms, the kitchen staff won't have time to make "gormet" meals.
taking her off campus is a really good idea, this will give you and your daughter a chance to really talk about what is "really going on" with out having the staff being there breathing down your neck while you're trying to have a simple conversation with your own child!
all in all, i am hoping that you take what we have to say, and put it into action. PLEASE do go up to the school unannounced and see what it's like, and DO ask to take her off campus back to your hotel room... that person was right... they can not say that you can not spend one-on-one time with your child. A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001
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i went to a neighboring school. Rocky Mountain Academy for 10 and a half months. You should research CEDU a little bit. Its not all its cracked up to be. there are far better less expensive places for emotional growth where they DO NOT make you sit in the cold during wilderness programs for days and sleep in tents if your misbehaving, and DO NOT discard mail that is being used to express the true program in its fullest colors. im joshy boy
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there is also a lawsuit since they get bonus pay for keeping you kiddos there longer... oops sorry to break it to ya.
CEDUS kinda like marrian barry, its not all its cracked up to be
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HAHA GORMET MEALS, I LOVED IT WHEN THEY DID THAT THE FOOD WAS DECENT NOT GREAT BUT DECENT WHEN THEY DID THAT!!! HAHA. everything else is institutional grade food, shit you get at the hospital, YUCK!
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I'm a former cedu student and i can tell ya that even tho i went thru all that program bullshit and every1 sed how proud they were of me i still went back to drugs and fighting. why? because i enjoy the detriment of my health and the prioritzing of my social status and no matter what amount of "fixing" they did at bca i still have my own will. i hang around everyday with a kid from bca who was my dormmate and a few others who went there at the same time as myself in fact i bought a member of my peergroup his first beer. what im trying to say is that only the weakminded succumb to the nonsense recycled, self-help,cry-me-a-fucking-river-on-oprah bullshit hippie rhetoric and if you value your daughters individuality i wouldnt keep her there too long you might not like the results. and im high on coke
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dude, that last sentance kinda ruined the moment...
The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.
--William Safire
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Pixie, is the anon is trying to tell parents that kids who spend any significant amount of time at Cedu being mind-fucked, end up doing coke when they get out?
Well, I don't know if thats true for everyone, speaking from my own experience , I developed a cocaine problem after my stay at cedu (I've been clean for some time now). I never had a problem with drugs before cedu. In fact hearing about everyone elses experiences with drugs at cedu, actually made me curious to try them when I got out.
I think what the Anon is really trying to say to parents is this: sending your kids to Cedu will not solve their problems, it only removes the child from the environment. The problems will still be there when your Kid gets out, only now those same problems are reinforced by your Kid's resentment at having spent 2-1/2 years being completely repressed. The result is often disaster.
I for one, definately agree with this. What does everyone else think?
.[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-08-18 12:33 ]
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ok, that's makes sense. sorry, i guess i was just miss understanding the point. i gotcha now.
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that was me, and once again, i forgot to log in
It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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your all weird as fuck, CEDU is a whole is run by under-educated brainless God worshippers that put there religion before anything else, so of course no issues get addressed and all that "work" that staff put you through was nothing and basically a big waste of time. Why dont you brainless mindfucked people get back to the subject of shutting that place down instead of "hahah oh blah fucking blah and shit"
its quite ridiculous people show some energy into something and do aomething about it, im about two seconds away from calling the bonners ferry police department to have that place checked out because besides all the "glorious job opportunities" that claim to employ over half of bonners that place isnt even a part of their community.
i already called once and they're own POLICE DEPARTMENT didnt even know anything about that school!!!!
i need people to help me out here!!!
respond fast!!
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I agree show up announced or otherwise when it is not regular visits. see what it is like. be in a rap. ask questions. It is your child.
I'm maybee an odd ball here but what I see written from past students is a bit different from what goes on today. BCA of today is a much lower intencity place than that of even two years ago. At the same time much is still true today.
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if this is true (about a bonus for keeping JR. enrolled)I want to know where the $ is. I work at a cedu school and I'll tell you I get paid squat, I get treated like shit by parents, teachers, students, and other staff. We don't get annual raises and what you may be refering to would be that fat $200 check I got instead of a raise?
I work there because I honestley care about the kids, but I'll tell ya... I often wonder if it is worth it.?
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above noter u sound like one of the staff there called Tina at BCA and i never got to tell her this but I will tell u. If u are honestly there for teh kids then do something. u see what goes on do u honestly think its right? i mean seriously u're not doing much! evidence is key to accumulate evidence so u can then prove a point not just by word of mouth!
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ok, so i'm bored since the factory is closed for 'vacation' but i don't have any $ to go anywhere so i google cedu just for kicks - and i stumble on this site - woah
when i got hauled to bca in the winter of 98 i was leaving behind a serious party life for some middle of nowhere dump -- i mean what's with this shit about 'truth' and 'brothers quest' etc, etc
so i put up a stink - nothn new there - so full times, bans, etc, etc - so i learn to play the damn game and while it totally sucks, eventually get out of there and move on to the 'real world'
so a few years have passed and now i'm out even lvin on my own and i have to say that the reality of cedu is somewhere btwn the pretty photos on their web site (ck that out for a laugh) and the fucking awful shit posted on this site
i mean, what's the point of all your bitchn? get over it already! these posts remind me of some of the dudes I work with - whining all the time about their tchrs, coaches, prnts, trampy ex-girl, bad luck, etc
so move on fools - yeh it stunk and was damn hard, but is that putting food in your belly or gas in your car?
rcktman - NC
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Everyone who is very fresh out of a CEDU affiliated school seems to advise us to simply move on.
I guess the easiest coping strategy is to deny.
Don't worry, friend, you will eventually have the courage to look back.
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you think 4 years is fresh out? you must be kidding -- get some prerspective
moving on isn't denying - are you fooling yrslf or do you just like being a martyr having a pity party?
i've looked back and thought about shit and now say -- so what? am i going to wallow in the past or do something fun w/rest of my time
you can pick hanging around your negativity, but i am so done with that
rcktman
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im sorry but you mus still be in denial, and just so you know negativity is a normal part of life, for every good there is a bad and vice versa...although CEDU definitely was alot more bad than good i mean obviously come on and you can sit there and say that youve moved on from negativity well ive moved on from moving on and i will not sleep til' cedu is changed and kids start getting respected without getting forced religion upon them or blamed and ridiculed as well as accused of shit that has never happened, no work is done there its just pure better stupid bullshit, i got an idea if you do drugs stand up and tell parents that CEDU doesnt fix anything, i went there for drug abuse and treatment.....i didnt get one day of treatment and i came out and was living on the streets.....hmm yeah really helped me out alot huh? im not even gonna go into detail about my first year out the bitch but i could and its a pretty shitty lilfe it was. KIDS LEARN ON THEIR OWN THATS HOW THEY GROW CEDU FORCES GROWTH THAT FUCKS THE NATURAL PROCESS UP, YOU CAN NOT FORCE YOUR KIDS TO GROW UP AND LEARN AND IF YOU DO YOUR A FUCKED UP PARENT WITH NO LOVE FOR YOUR CHILD, fuck anyone who signs the papers to turn their own child over to a bunch of crazed lunatics who have been sheltered and are ignorant who live their merry little lives in BONNERS FERRY, now tell who has heard of that place before CEDU cam along, its nothing
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Dude, I have a great life, make close to $8000 salary per month, lots of toys, lots of positive fun.
It's not about that.
My history is done with. It was rougher for me then for you. Cedu really had a profound affect on my life's path as it did on many thousands of others.
I'm concerned about the thousands of kids who have gone through and will go through the BROWN system.
Maybe you don't care about complete strangers.
I do. Someone once called me Weldshmertz.
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Its simple,,,, Pull your child from B.C.A this afternoon, dont wait another day. CEDU is not a good place to send your child for anything. You dont understand how important it is to remove yor daughter from that pyscological damaging program,, who knows whats happening to your daughter. You wont know until the programs over beacuse the staff screen all the mail. Your daughters telling the truth,, shes probobaly barely making it through the days in there. The staff screen letters beacuse if they didnt alot of children would convience there parents to remove them from the program,,that means less cash for CEDU. So do the right thing and save your daughter from becoming brainwashed. My parents pulled me half way through the program and its the best thing theyve ever done. CEDU is very EVIL.
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The cops are probobaly on the take. Im sure they know all about B.C.A and the supposed fucked up kids that go there. CEDU probobaly told the cops "this is program to help troubled kids" the cops probobaly dont give a fuck what goes on there. I find it hard to belive that they know nothing about B.C.A thats bullshit.
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HAHAHA ya fuckin faggot, your a joke. First of all,, alot of people who attended CEDU have very rewarding lives and great jobs. If you think CEDU was benificial in anyway your an idiot,,you say just move on and forget abou it?? thats all fine if thats what you want to do, but obviously theres alot of people harbouring anger towards this company for a reason. If someone fucks with me I remember it, CEDU fucked with alot of people and alot of people are still angry. Apparantely you dont mind being pushed around and mind fucked,,move on and forget about it thats all good, but just remember your one of those little bitches that would rather forget about something than address it. I dont wallow in sorrow about CEDU,, I just feel bad for the kids having to go through what I went through,I dont think its right.
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i"m a former counselor from BCA, i just responded to alot of immoral things that went on look it up under "hot topics" posted 1-1-05 there's plenty of why every parent should take there child back.
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are you Kris aka "china"? one of your favorites? oreo cookies? heard from anyone in Grose Point MI. I'll look for your response.
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i went to bca from 96-99. PG 12 Mountain Lions, holla!!!!
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I promise you that wasn't kriss, aka "china" (she'd laugh to hear that name again)...but kriss is alive and doing very well out here in Boston.
Take whatever you got from BCA...learn the rest from your day to day struggles and mistakes. Life's tough, but in all actuality it's not nearly as hard as many staff members there make it out to be. They just love to tell you that you're gonna fail, especially if you don't do that summit bullshit, which I personally refused to do.
I was a BCA student from 2000-2002, didn't graduate the program (finished the I & Me), and I'm doing pretty fuckin' well. I'd be lying if I said BCA didn't help me a bit, and I'd also be lying if I said it didn't fuck my mind up a little bit at the same time. I guess BCA is just the epitome of gray area.
This is Artie Sullivan, and to any of my old BCA friends, hit me up sometime (dennis.a.sullivan@pepperdine.edu)
Artie
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I agree; one of the nastiest things I ever read at BCA was when I finally convinced one of the drivers to let me read that little packet that pretty much sums up your existence as far as staff are concerned.
It included every right my parents had signed over to CEDU, and things such as "holding in a behavioral institution for up to 3 days at administrator's discretion" didn't make me smile much.
Also, there were observations that clinical staff had made about me that were very far from the truth...however, they had been marked as just short of "fact" rather than hypothetical observation. I had myriad staff members referring to me as "severely manic depressive" even though they'd never met me? Don't get me wrong, I get sad from time to time, but I can't think of a single moment in my life that I've been depressed...much less "manic depressive".
That kind of stuff can't be good for a 16 year old's mind...
I'm almost 20 now, in my sophomore year at college, and I've moved on. But never will I deny where I was...or forget.
Artie
By the way, I'm agreeing with Felsher and a couple of the anonymous posters on the previous page...not with my previous post :grin: [ This Message was edited by: dniceo7 on 2005-01-02 08:11 ]
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Sure...we all need to move on. Maybe people here just need to have a "safe" place to vent with "real" feelings and memories of the place. But I think the real issue for most of us who are "whining" is we haven't discovered a way to help other kids not have to have the same memories and pain those of us who were unfortunate to have survived do have. Maybe this is our way of exposing what has been hidden for so long? I don't know what it is like for you, but every time I hear the same stories of what happen to me I get a sick feeling in my stomach. Unlike the puppet staff at CEDU, I can't just turn my feelings on and off just to be "in compliance" or "plumb and square." Did you ever think that maybe some of the rage you read here is because we are finally able to be free to feel? God, I would like to turn it off, but man, it is a feeling of "how am I going to survive this thing," and "I really must be as worthless and insane as they tell me I am." If I don't speak out then I am responsible for the kids who come after me. That should make us all care. I know I will find peace from my memories from them when I know I have done something to close the place down. Honest talking about this, regardless if others consider this "whining" and feeling sorry for ourselves, so fucking what? Glad you found your peace, man, some of us are still searching. I bet if you could roll back father time knowing what you know now that you would beg your parents not to send you to hell?
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That's it right there...in many ways you just nailed exactly what I think a lot of us are feeling...but I can't speak for anyone but myself I guess
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how do you access archives?
Thanks
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in reply to the former counselor at BCA:
Is that you Mark Wrist?
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On 2005-01-02 08:09:00, dniceo7 wrote:
Also, there were observations that clinical staff had made about me that were very far from the truth...however, they had been marked as just short of "fact" rather than hypothetical observation. I had myriad staff members referring to me as "severely manic depressive" even though they'd never met me? Don't get me wrong, I get sad from time to time, but I can't think of a single moment in my life that I've been depressed...much less "manic depressive".
Very funny you mention that. When I was first at BCA I was sent to see a shrink that was there at the time (I don't even believe he had a doctorate because as far as I remember he was working on his dissertation sp?). This "psychologist" also participated in raps and I have to say had the most appauling rap manner of all the staff I have ever seen at that school (especially to girls). Needless to say if I ever heard someone talk to my (hypothetical) daughter like this man talked (err screamed) to girls, well, we would have a few "words".
But to make a long story short, I was sent to see him when I first got there, had a few sessions and that was it. Then I want to say a year or so later I was sent to see another psychologist there and after we spoke he said he was very puzzled of the notes the previous psychologist made on my file. He told me it said things such as I was extreme anti social, borderline psychopathic, uncontrolably violent, etc etc etc. Basically painted a picture like I was an extremely unstable individual. Sad to say this is not true.
Its sad to say that this stuff is jotted down and the kids are treated based on such "professional opinion"
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BTW this is my post, forgot to logon.
On 2005-01-05 11:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-01-02 08:09:00, dniceo7 wrote:
Also, there were observations that clinical staff had made about me that were very far from the truth...however, they had been marked as just short of "fact" rather than hypothetical observation. I had myriad staff members referring to me as "severely manic depressive" even though they'd never met me? Don't get me wrong, I get sad from time to time, but I can't think of a single moment in my life that I've been depressed...much less "manic depressive".
Very funny you mention that. When I was first at BCA I was sent to see a shrink that was there at the time (I don't even believe he had a doctorate because as far as I remember he was working on his dissertation sp?). This "psychologist" also participated in raps and I have to say had the most appauling rap manner of all the staff I have ever seen at that school (especially to girls). Needless to say if I ever heard someone talk to my (hypothetical) daughter like this man talked (err screamed) to girls, well, we would have a few "words".
But to make a long story short, I was sent to see him when I first got there, had a few sessions and that was it. Then I want to say a year or so later I was sent to see another psychologist there and after we spoke he said he was very puzzled of the notes the previous psychologist made on my file. He told me it said things such as I was extreme anti social, borderline psychopathic, uncontrolably violent, etc etc etc. Basically painted a picture like I was an extremely unstable individual. Sad to say this is not true.
Its sad to say that this stuff is jotted down and the kids are treated based on such "professional opinion""
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question remains: is this Mark wrist? if not, tell us that I am wrong. You tried to cause trouble when you left BCA two years ago (no big loss , I know, I was there), and you are still trying to cause trouble. And Lori, I know you are out there too, stirring the pot. Why don't you and your ex, Mark, take care of business off line?
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I don't know who you're referring to, but either way, back off of Rist. Mark was a rare good man in a pool full of pretty ignorant people at BCA. If I had to name one person, other than Val Davis, that really gave what they had there, it's Mark. Not his fault that the "program" didn't agree with his "methods and outlook". Not trying to be hostile at all, but I think a man like Mark Rist deserves every bit of credit he is due.
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my names ashley went to bca in 2001 and left in 2003 who are you? maybe youre someone who talked a bunch of shit or hated me but if you were chill then whats up?
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you better shut up about Mark he was a huge fucking loss to CEDU one of the people who really cared about the kids and wanted to help and got fucked over by the system because he didnt believe in fucking up the kids lives and causing permenant damage why dont you post your name to your shit talking sucker
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FUCK THE MOUNTAIN LIONS!!! IT'S EAGLES FOR LIFE BABY! HA HA HA HA HA
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On 2004-08-19 07:16:00, CEDU IS A CULT wrote:
"Everyone who is very fresh out of a CEDU affiliated school seems to advise us to simply move on.
I guess the easiest coping strategy is to deny.
Don't worry, friend, you will eventually have the courage to look back."
Moron. Moving on is a far cry from denial. Moving on involves taking a hard look at what happened and, well, moving past it.
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On 2005-03-21 12:46:00, If u want to know..then ask wrote:
"FUCK THE MOUNTAIN LIONS!!! IT'S EAGLES FOR LIFE BABY! HA HA HA HA HA"
EAGLES!!! HELL YEAH!!!! FUCK ALL YOU OTHERS, YALL CANT SEE US!
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HA HA HA HA! HEY, IT'S "YOU CAN'T C US"
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Eagles... Man did you guys ever go on that painballing trip I convinced Sam Zug to do? I got pulled like a week before it was supposed to happen. I'm Mike Cahill. Eagles were so fucking weird after we turned all guys, I remember the good old days when I would sit and listen to hotel california on repeat in the team room.
Fuck, good old days... that was probably the worst thing that ever happened to me in my life. I still love that song though and it will always remind me of the team room and the creek behind MLK.
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Hey Mike. I remember you! Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised that Sam turned the team all guys, I wondered about him. :lol:
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yeah he did do that...it was pretty fuckin gay
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LOL. That sucks! That guy WAS weird.