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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 20, 2004, 06:14:00 AM
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On 2004-07-17 18:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i heard ralph Maldonado died of AIDS,
We used to call him bugsy"
He died in 1991 I think or 1990 I think it was. Ralph in his last days became a total different man. There were many times he would defy Jeff and /or Marc's decisions and cause an uproar in how Elan functioned.
Elan never pass judgement on his decsions and later gave him a desk job in his remaining days. Ralph in my opinion was a great man, was very contraversial when I first met him, but towards the end I liked him very much.
I think I also heard his wife passed on as well. They both were from Brooklyn NY I think.
Thought it would be best to give this man his own forum.
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Was his wife Maria? Did she work there too?
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Yes I think his wife was named Maria, and I think she worked at Elan way before my time, but I'm not really sure.
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Maria was staff when I first got to Elan. She smoked a ton and took no shit, did things her way and spoke from the heart. She would always take us for walks and sneak us butts. I remember she was sick, and rumor had it it was AIDS. She would say her and her late husband where herion users I think, turned it around, and then realized they were fucked. Menthols, she smoked menthols, thats right. I hated them, but they were cigs. I remember during a three house she stood up to some punk and it set off a three house brawl. She knew her time was short so she gave back everything she could. So i keep wondering, was Ralph her husband. The last time Maria worked at Elan was 1991.
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Yes Ralph was her husband.
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Story has it that Ralph and Joe Ricci were the founders of Elan. They bothed lived in that old volkswagon station wagon by elan 5 smoking crack together.Joe never had the old VW removed and it was left there was a reminder.
I dont know if it is there to this date, but something tells me it still is.
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Elan was the evil brain child of Dr.D and Joe R. The program is based in the TC (Therapeutic Community) concept of rehabilitation. Joe, Ralph, Maria, Jeff G. and I think possibly Dr.D all came from a drug rehab program called "Daytop" in NYC.
The horror stories that Ralph use to tell about Daytop made Elan look like Knott's Berry Farm. The evil madness that is Elan is the offspring of Daytop and some ex-junkies who knew how to $capitalize$ on adolescents drug problems of the 70's.
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If it's the same old, grey VW station wagon that I'm thinking of, (and if what used to be elan 5 is now elan 7) then it was removed in either late '99 or early 2000. I was in elan 7 from '98-2000, and the car was in the grass near the end of the driveway. I remember the staff telling us that in the "old times" of elan the residents that were in re-entry would drive the car to take other residents on their weekend trips. By the time I was there though, the car literally had a garden inside of it and was halfway burried in the ground since it had been sitting in the grass for so long. So they finally had it dug up one day and taken away.
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Damn, forgot about that car. Regardless of these stories I still loved Maria.
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On 2004-07-21 06:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Story has it that Ralph and Joe Ricci were the founders of Elan. They bothed lived in that old volkswagon station wagon by elan 5 smoking crack together.Joe never had the old VW removed and it was left there was a reminder.
I dont know if it is there to this date, but something tells me it still is."
The bullshit never ends.
The "car" wasnt even there when I was. Ralph didnt "found" Elan. He was in sing-sing prison when Elan was opened.
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Ralph was a good guy. He was always fair, and never had the heavy hand you'd expect from Jeff or Joe. I was saddened to hear of his death, and surprised Maria passed away too.
I look back on all the stupid shit at Elan and all I can do is laugh. Its hard to believe Elan was real.
Jeff Gotlieb was so into his work...Why?
I think he believed he made a difference.
Ralph and Maria were good people. I would laugh every time Ralph would practice his jailhouse martial arts.
I suddenly remeber debating with Al Caprio who would win a fight, Ralph or Bob Oldham. Anyone remember Bob?
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Even more stupid. The volkswagen was a volvo. It belonged to Joes first wife Sherry. Noboda at Elan ever drove it.
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On 2004-07-21 22:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-07-21 06:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Story has it that Ralph and Joe Ricci were the founders of Elan. They bothed lived in that old volkswagon station wagon by elan 5 smoking crack together.Joe never had the old VW removed and it was left there was a reminder.
I dont know if it is there to this date, but something tells me it still is."
The bullshit never ends.
The "car" wasnt even there when I was. Ralph didnt "found" Elan. He was in sing-sing prison when Elan was opened."
Well onviously you were at elan at a different time then me and they might of finally got rid of it. Ever think that that couldn't happened Mr. No Brains?
By the way is that your face or did your neck throw up?
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Well onviously you were at elan at a different time then me and they might of finally got rid of it. Ever think that that couldn't happened Mr. No Brains?
By the way is that your face or did your neck throw up?"
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Well fuck me in the goat ass, this anon is as dumb as a fuckin rock.
You say Ralph was a founder, which would put the car there in the early days yeah? It wasnt there in 1984, and Ralph wasnt a founder ok baglicker?
Face...Neck...throwup. Heh, update your material there jackass.
The bullshit never ends. Your talking out your ass so dont bother trying to defend what comes out of it, your an idiot.
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I remember the car being a volvo. It was there in 1985. Joe took me out of the corner and walked me from the School House Trailer(s), next to E-3, down the dirt road to E-5.
The whole way Joe explained the concept of Elan, his days in Daytop, blah blah blah - and the ferris wheel ended when we came to the Volvo in front of E-5. That's when I got the "I came to Maine with $10 in my pocket and this car" story. The whole time I was thinking "this mother fuckas high". As I recall the car was rusted out and had weeds growing in it.
Ralph had so many f-ing stories about the "BING" as he called it. He told his prison stories to scare the shit out of us -- it worked. I particularly loved it when he reenacted the incident that gave him the razor blade cut from his ear to his mouth or his stories about having Prison bitches servicing him and washing his sox and underwear.
However, when Ralph spoke you could actually respect what he was telling you because he had honestly been in the shit and knew where we where heading and genuinely appeared to care. There were a handfull of other good peolpe as I can remember (Kate Barry, Dave McVetty, Sean Fogg, Maria, Jeff Gottlieb (at times))
Listening to the other assholes spew vomit and hollow words from the orifice they called a mouth, was pointless and you never sensed an ounce of compassion or caring from them just viciousness.
Having the people I remember in charge during my stay, who where only abusing children because of some sick sadomasochistic desire to control, demean and destroy young children, abusing their positions of power to fulfill their delusions of grandeur, robed from the program and what it may have been able to accomplish.
Ralph Maldonado was solid and is sadly missed
To everyone else it's all about Karma.
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Was at Elan from 91-93, and the Volvo was there, so whoever is ranting that it wasnt in 84 and its all BS should shut up. What, are we all just making this up you dumbass. Doesnt matter, the point I was making was MAria meant a lot to some of us, and I am glad Ralph did to. Never met him, but Maria told us stories. I hear you about Karma!
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On 2004-07-22 06:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Well onviously you were at elan at a different time then me and they might of finally got rid of it. Ever think that that couldn't happened Mr. No Brains?
By the way is that your face or did your neck throw up?"
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Well fuck me in the goat ass, this anon is as dumb as a fuckin rock.
You say Ralph was a founder, which would put the car there in the early days yeah? It wasnt there in 1984, and Ralph wasnt a founder ok baglicker?
Face...Neck...throwup. Heh, update your material there jackass.
The bullshit never ends. Your talking out your ass so dont bother trying to defend what comes out of it, your an idiot.
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First of all Jordon you weren't at Elan in 84, second of all 2 people just verified the car being there in 2 different decades, so don't you feel stupid about now?
Sorry Jordon but your cover is blown, perhaps maybe you should find a message board that has teenagers as it's main members? Then maybe you can get them to believe you easier.
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Ralph and Maria were most honnorable people i ever met in my life .They would never be losers like some of you people and leave all these anonymous postings they werent ashamed of who there were or what thay had been in the past .who the hell are you people to talk about people you didnt know.all this i heard shit fuck that shit say what you know .no wonder you dont leave your names if anyone wants to know im julie cook from elan 7 :wave:
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hi i was there in 87-89 and i remember ralph. he was a great man and i learned to respect him. he taught me alot.
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That Volvo wagon has been parked in that spot since the early to mid seventies. I've also heard the stories from Joe about the $10.00 and that car he drove up in.
I also heard that he lived in it for sometime before allegedly turning his life around.
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I do not think they were legally married I came to Elan at the end of "elan 7" I was placed in elan 5 where Maria George was director Her house meetings would make you cry she was "deep" I only knew her for a short time and I aws transfered to elan 8 w/Linda Roy I hated her soooo much she was shot the fuck out. she lived on CocaCola and benson and Hedgeds menthol and had a bad perm and big ass hips wow she will never leave my memory That bitch accused me of emotionally raping my father I was 15 what the hell did I know about emotional rape? Ralph was the elan 7 director I remember thinking how cool he was. Elan 8 had linda roy and ann Flynn What a fucken combo