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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 09, 2004, 02:00:00 PM
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T An*er*on
J A*tm*n
D R*ol*s (suicide)
C L*wis
D N*vill*
G MacDonald (deceased - motorcycle)
J G*lbe*t
S G*r*et*
K M*s*n
S B*wers
J & J J*n*in*s
R M*l*i*ax
W Sw*e*inga (would love to know where he is now)
S Hi*gin* (my newcomer I freed when I copped)
M Fl*nn*gan
Ira-? (strange little dude)
T Bl*nke*ship (suicide)
I & T Beroni
F & C Herring
J Do*er*y
S Ma*th*ws (suicide)
J W*ll*rd
D H*bb*rd (gag)
S Pr*vo*t
D M*vi*z
D Ti*t*n (last saw him at a Grateful Dead show in 1989)
P Co*ne (murdered)
T Fr*bo*ta
...There are probably more I'm not thinking of this second. I guess I'm just wondering if anyone remembers Roy S (me)! I tried to blend into the sea of heads as best I could, never really "stood out" much. I was too busy contemplating how I was going to get out. Every single day for almost a year. Did the dance, found my exit (twice). Both times took a newcomer with me, and felt good about liberating them.
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P*ula Gr*mes
Pa** F*a*ier
K*m F**z*er
Br**t D****on (D******on?)
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Brent Dickson (Dickenson?)
Brent Anderson.
Matt Dickenson...
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Isn't listing names of previous clients, on a public web site, a MAJOR BREECH of Confidentiality?!?!
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Yes it is... :eek:
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Well, if so, will whoever's in charge of this board please remove those names? As far as I know, it's not illegal... And I certainly don't adhere to Straight's (or any other affiliate's) "policies." My intention was to see if any of these folks are lurking out there and might respond. However, I wasn't considering the fact that some of the folks whose names I put up might not WANT that (duh)... So I do apologize, and have no problem if this thread is deleted.
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On 2004-07-09 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Isn't listing names of previous clients, on a public web site, a MAJOR BREECH of Confidentiality?!?!"
Worse yet, how about some asshole who goes into a private web group and decides to break my confidentialty by showing outsiders my picture??!!
Look everyone I was in Straight!!!!!
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OMG! A major breech of confidentiality? What year are we in? Straight is dead. It was a scam, the only reason for the confidentiality rule was to cover up the atrocities that went on inside the building! No, we will not delete anything. Free speech is spoken here. If you don't like it, too bad. I think we've had our mouths taped shut long enough. :idea:
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No No people - Confidentiality was NOT "invented" by Straight ... it's legal practice with ANY type of medical, counseling, or client/service provider.
Has NOTHING to do with if Straight still exists or not. It's the individual's rights tha are violated. Maybe one or more of the people listed wouldn't WANT their name associated with Straight, or any other affiliation.
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On 2004-07-09 17:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
" No No people - Confidentiality was NOT "invented" by Straight ... it's legal practice with ANY type of medical, counseling, or client/service provider.
Has NOTHING to do with if Straight still exists or not. It's the individual's rights tha are violated. Maybe one or more of the people listed wouldn't WANT their name associated with Straight, or any other affiliation. "
No on one said Confidentiality was "invented" by Straight. Straight never "invented" anything. They stole and "borrowed" everything they did from someone else or from another company. Furthermore, Straight was not ANY TYPE of MEDICAL OR COUNSELING SERVICE, AND IT CERTAINLY NEVER PROVIDED ANY SERVICE OTHER THAN ABUSE!
Nothing about Straight was legal. Straight was all about violating individual rights, we're here just to expose the truth, not violate anyone's rights, enough of that was done in the program. Maybe one or more of the people listed would not want their name associated with Straight or any other affiliation, if that's the case, that one person should take it up with the individual responsible, so if you aren't listed, don't worry about it.
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Oh All Knowing Kathy
Go protest somewhere or make some more pointless web sites
You just don't get it :lol:
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On 2004-07-09 19:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh All Knowing Kathy
Go protest somewhere or make some more pointless web sites
You just don't get it :rofl:
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On 2004-07-09 12:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, if so, will whoever's in charge of this board please remove those names? As far as I know, it's not illegal... And I certainly don't adhere to Straight's (or any other affiliate's) "policies." My intention was to see if any of these folks are lurking out there and might respond. However, I wasn't considering the fact that some of the folks whose names I put up might not WANT that (duh)... So I do apologize, and have no problem if this thread is deleted. "
Sorry bro, cant let you do that...
Tracy Anderson
Jeff Altman
Duane Rholfs (suicide)
Chris Lewis
Dale Neville
Greg MacDonald (deceased - motorcycle)
Jim Gilbert
Shannon Garrett
Kip Mason
Scott Bowers
Joe Jennings
Jeff Jennings
Richard Mullinax
Wes Swieringa (would love to know where he is now)
Shawn Higgins (my newcomer I freed when I copped)
Mike Flannigan
Ira -? (strange little dude)
Teddy Blankenship (suicide)
Irene & Tricia Beroni
Fred & Carla Herring
Jim Doherty
Steve Matthews (suicide)
John Willard
Dave Hubbard (gag)
Sam Provost
Damon Movitz
Dave Tipton (last saw him at a Grateful Dead show in 1989)
Peter Coyne (murdered)
Todd Frobotta
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On 2004-07-09 20:35:00, Scarstruck wrote:
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On 2004-07-09 19:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh All Knowing Kathy
Go protest somewhere or make some more pointless web sites
You just don't get it :rofl:
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Michigan has laws against breaking anyone's confidentiality when it comes to substance abuse and if a former staff member were to break someone's in Michigan they could probably still be sued. For instance where I work I am bound by law to not disclose any information without a release. Especially when it relates to substance abuse or HIV/ AIDS. Even if I'm not providing substance abuse services to a client and they just disclosed using substances I can not release their name. I'm sure the laws vary from state to state.
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Well they can sue me if they so desire... I think my name and adress are posted in here somewhere and a quickwitted sleuthy lawyer would have no problems learning my identity.
The thing is...straight kept no records and it would be hard to hold up in court that anyone was in straight...at what times...with whom..etc etc etc
They way straight did paperwork and records...a lawsuit would be a big expensive logistical nightmare..
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To the person in Michigan. Uh, we weren't staff members, we were clients. And the "para-professional" staff were only clients too. No one was formally trained as a staff member.
To the brave anonymous one, If I don't get it, please explain it to me. However, I do believe I "get it" far more clearly than you do, since you are still in the STRAIGHT mind-set. THAT is scary. But hey, I'm always willing to listen. Please give it another shot. Explain it to me, please. :wave:
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:grin: That was me. Forgot to put my name and password in. oops!
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On 2004-07-09 21:06:00, Scarstruck wrote:
"Well they can sue me if they so desire... I think my name and adress are posted in here somewhere and a quickwitted sleuthy lawyer would have no problems learning my identity.
The thing is...straight kept no records and it would be hard to hold up in court that anyone was in straight...at what times...with whom..etc "
AGAIN --- this is NOT from "STRAIGHT" -- it's INDIVIDUAL. That's what many of you "non-brainwashed", stuck-on-your teen age experience (juvenile language) "survivors" don't seem to get - or understand!
Those people that were listed MAY NOT APPRECIATE being listed on this site ... if you want to find them, go to a paid search site and do it without posting that they were in STRAIGHT on a web site for any and all to see.
By the way - I was never in STRAIGHT ... though I did attend one of their Open Meetings once.
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On 2004-07-10 06:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-07-09 21:06:00, Scarstruck wrote:
"Well they can sue me if they so desire... I think my name and adress are posted in here somewhere and a quickwitted sleuthy lawyer would have no problems learning my identity.
The thing is...straight kept no records and it would be hard to hold up in court that anyone was in straight...at what times...with whom..etc "
AGAIN --- this is NOT from "STRAIGHT" -- it's INDIVIDUAL. That's what many of you "non-brainwashed", stuck-on-your teen age experience (juvenile language) "survivors" don't seem to get - or understand!
Those people that were listed MAY NOT APPRECIATE being listed on this site ... if you want to find them, go to a paid search site and do it without posting that they were in STRAIGHT on a web site for any and all to see.
By the way - I was never in STRAIGHT ... though I did attend one of their Open Meetings once. "
Thats beside the point.
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On 2004-07-10 06:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-07-09 21:06:00, Scarstruck wrote:
"Well they can sue me if they so desire... I think my name and adress are posted in here somewhere and a quickwitted sleuthy lawyer would have no problems learning my identity.
The thing is...straight kept no records and it would be hard to hold up in court that anyone was in straight...at what times...with whom..etc "
AGAIN --- this is NOT from "STRAIGHT" -- it's INDIVIDUAL. That's what many of you "non-brainwashed", stuck-on-your teen age experience (juvenile language) "survivors" don't seem to get - or understand!
Those people that were listed MAY NOT APPRECIATE being listed on this site ... if you want to find them, go to a paid search site and do it without posting that they were in STRAIGHT on a web site for any and all to see.
By the way - I was never in STRAIGHT ... though I did attend one of their Open Meetings once. "
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Um. Then why are you here? And why are you trying to speak about something you know absolutely nothing about!!!
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LOL ...
Beleive me .... I know A LOT more about it than you think ...lol.... a LOT. (Straight, Seed Life, Kids, etc....)
And as to why I'm here... I was "clued in" a while ago about this population - pretty facsinating sometimes... very entertaining
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After posting names, I realized it was kinda inconsiderate of the people themselves. As far as "confidentiality" in the Straight sense, gimme a break! I have not one grain of respect for that place or any of its rules or policies. But I do care about human beings, and that's why I felt bad afterward.
This is so weird overall, discovering this site and remembering all this stuff. I cut it all out so fast when i left, and have thought so little about it for the last 18 years or so... I've come a long way in life, have two great kids, play music and do art for a living, etc etc... Life is, generally, good. I'm still trying to figure out why I seem to want to tap back into this stuff at all; I guess it's because there were some other inmates I did care about, and wonder if (and hope that) they're doing OK all these years later.
This is my final post on here, at least for quite some time. I'm gonna have to slip away (try to hold back the tears, haha)... But I just want to say I hope everyone/anyone who had the same horrid prison experience that I did is enjoying life today. Honestly, I think that godawful sentence helped me enjoy every single day of life all the more today. Jeezus, I didn't see the SUN for a year! Might explain my major aversion to fluorescent lights and white tile...
Smyl!
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(I slipped up on the first line of that last post: I meant it was inconsiderate of ME to post those names)
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I walked away from Straight and didnt look back. But as ashamed as I am of who I was and what I did to find my name on a list of people wondering where I am and how I am would be nice no matter how much crap it brought back. That didnt happen for me I was sent an article and preceeded to find info on people i cared about that had died. I have alot of names floating in my head and I wonder. Inconsiderate no it wasnt innocent and curious concerned and wondering how people ended up that touched your life good bad or indifferent ...yes. I admit seeing lists of names cause me reserve for the people on the list that may have never spoken about their lives and dont want to be remembered in connection with STRAIGHT its still nice to know that someone remembers them.
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I posted on one of the other sites a name of someone who abused alot of the people way beyond the normal straight abuse. The sibling of this person wrote an e-mail that stated how wrong it was of me to post that about his sister (Evelyn Beckett). He said that she had alot of regrets about the way she treated people. I wrote back and told him that i'm glad and that she should feel regret.
I post peoples names first and last and could care less i'm not in that place anymore and as far as the confidentiality in the medical world I think that only applies to people running it and doctors of which I was neither.
I don't know why anyone not related to straight would be here anyways. What pleasure do they get out of reading all of this?
-C
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On 2004-07-11 19:06:00, Peacepupppy wrote:
"I posted on one of the other sites a name of someone who abused alot of the people way beyond the normal straight abuse. The sibling of this person wrote an e-mail that stated how wrong it was of me to post that about his sister (Evelyn Beckett). He said that she had alot of regrets about the way she treated people. I wrote back and told him that i'm glad and that she should feel regret.
I post peoples names first and last and could care less i'm not in that place anymore and as far as the confidentiality in the medical world I think that only applies to people running it and doctors of which I was neither.
I don't know why anyone not related to straight would be here anyways. What pleasure do they get out of reading all of this?
-C"
Yes... not surprising. You and so many other posters here could care less about anyone else but yourselves. Sad really.
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and they cared about us??
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This is an interesting question, and it isn't the first time that it's been discussed on this forum. Naming names. The best point from the naysayers is that a name mentioned here could potentially affect someone's rep in the job world. This is a good point. All I have to do is google "froderik13" and BANG! here I am. A link right to Fornits. Anyone wanting to investigate me could find out a lot right here. I've mentioned names on here in the past and been asked to remove it and did b/c I respected that person's wish to not have their name posted here.
By the same token I mention names on here and doubt that i'd ever edit it out even if the person asked b/c they are fucking a-holes who deserve to have much more ruined than their reputation, and most would agree.
I say just use your discretion, maybe put an initial when sufficient, and be considerate. Goddammit, this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Confidentiality. That's a bunch of horseshit and nobody cares about it anyway. We're on the web and this is an open forum. It's up to us to police ourselves when necessary, b/c no one else is going to do it, for better or for worse.
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Peacepuppy, You are an idiot. There is not one person that I have met from Straight that did not do things or said things that went against thier conscience. If you were an old-commer or cofronted anyone in group than you too behaved badly. It was an insane place and it was vertually impossible not to get caught up in "straight values". This is why it is likened to cult. To single out one person as the worst or most cruel is rediculous. Do you really think the evils of straight are because of Evelyn? I knew her during and after and she got caught up in the madness as much as you or I did.
The reason it is not right to name names is that it places the blame squarely on the named. There is also no chance for the accused to defend themselves or tell their side of the story. Also it makes it appear that you are the victim. I knew you in the program, and if what you said in the raps is true, then you are hardly a victim. For the simple fact that you harbor such hatred and venom for over 20 years should be a great concern to you.
I wish you well in trying to deal with your anger.
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Anonymous
:wstupid: You sound rather idiotic yourself. Now you have lowered yourself to name calling. Unbelievable. Grow up. At least have the guts to identify yourself if you are going to start throwing around insults.
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I just wish you had chosen another way to remember me. What a surprise to Google my name and find it here. I have never denied being in Straight nor am I ashamed of it, but to have you be the one to effectively announce it to the whole World Wide Web - well, that's another story. Would you disagree that it's up to me to discuss what happened to me as a minor?
To the webmaster/moderator of this forum - I would very much appreicate, on behalf of every name listed herein, if you would either remove it completely or, as someone else has suggested, removing the last names of the people on the list.
Thank you for your consideration.
I, for the time being, choose to remain Anonymous
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I've got to agree - the last names should be taken off - that's just not right or fair to those who for whatever reason wish to keep what's private - private
Never mind the confidentiality or whatever - it's just the decency of respecting the code of those in recovery -
I think you should reconsider your stance and take off last names
Now c'mon - let's have a song - love ya group!
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Ok, I haven't read this whole thread. I got a complaint from one of the folks who's name is listed in the original post. Since the original anon poster asks (in, like, the 3rd or 4th post) for me to remove the names, I'll mess them up so as not to be recognizable by a search engine. That is the criteria I use! The author owns the words is the first rule of thumb!
But, as to confidentiality, I agree w/ Kathy. Straight was neither a medical facility nor therapy or counseling. The confidentiality rule, as practiced there, was very likely not supported by any law. It was just a way to keep their guilty secrets and shield the perps from legal accountability. Besides everything else, most of us were legal minors when we were there and so unable to enter into any such legal agreement.
But the author does own the words and it is their wish to take some of them back. I'll get on it now. The rest of the thread is so staying! And, btw, to the anonymous named person, I'm glad you googled your name and came upon our forum. Welcome!
The lust for power, for dominating others, inflames the heart more than any other passion
Tacitus
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Don't forget to scramble the names on the 2nd page -
Also - since none of us here can remember the confidentiality rule I'm affraid that we're all in for a bit of trouble - it's Friday night - and that means Friday Night Review and I've worked real hard to earn T&R, but can't remember the confidentiality rule -
I remember the beginning - "As a client of Straight Inc..." - something like that -
Hopefully group will be kind tonight - doubt it - bye bye T&R -
Love Ya Anonymous
Love Ya Kathy
Love Ya Froderik13
Love Ya Peacepuppy
Love Ya Ginabobina
LOVE YA GROUP!
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This is just a little toooo familiar......that was scary....Line up heel to toe. OMG. Haven't heard that in YEARS!!!! ROFLMAO
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
"Isn't your pants' zipper supposed to be in the front?"
--Hobbs to Calvin
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On 2004-07-10 10:25:00, Kathy wrote:
Then why are you here?
I can answer that with full confidence! Cause they're interested.
As to the names quoted on the second page, they belong to a registered user who can edit them if they want to.
The legislature is to society as a physician is to the patient. If a physician ignored side effects of medications like today's legislators ignore the side effects of their legislation, the physician would be accused of malpractice. I accuse today's legislators (with rare exception) of legislative malpractice. Many of the ills that are so obvious in our society are a direct result of previous legislation. Their solution? More laws!
-- John A. Bennett, DO
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Ginger, thank you for your reply and for taking the time to edit the names in the first post. Anonymity aside, I appreciate the respect.
I would now ask that Scarstruck will take the time to do the same thing as that post is Google-able as well.
Frankly, I wouldn't much care if my name appeared here if it weren't for outside circumstances. I live in Boston, and the DNC is this week. It just so happens that my name has been forwarded to the Secret Service so I can do my job and, while I don't think that being in a cult 20 years ago would raise too many flags with the SS, I don't want to give anyone any reason to keep me from earning a living.
Scarstruck, please consider removing your post, or at least editing out people's last names.
Thank you for your time.
Anonymous in Boston (for the time being)
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On 2004-07-24 05:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger, thank you for your reply and for taking the time to edit the names in the first post. Anonymity aside, I appreciate the respect.
NP. But honestly, the content was not the deciding factor. The fact that the author wanted the post edited and that, because it was an anon post, they couldn't do it themselves were the deciding factors. Cayohueso's quite correct. Even when the content in question has turned my stomach I don't edit for content unless I think I'm pressed to the wall w/ no legal alternative.
I live in Boston, and the DNC is this week. It just so happens that my name has been forwarded to the Secret Service so I can do my job and,
I'll be sorry to hear it if our vaunted government prevents you from making a living. But I won't blame it on whoever posted your name here or on the fact that you landed up as one of the other unfortunate strangers confined to a blue chair 20 years ago. I'd blame it on our paranoid government.
But what's up w/ all that, anyway? I caught a short sound-byte about domestic groups threatening to bomb the DNC? Would these be the Ditto Head variety, maybe? Or maybe Ashcroft's Assemblies of God? Just how fucked up is it when even the false alternative to the reigning party can't safely mount a political challenge?
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
--Thomas Jefferson
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...I went looking for the dish by way of Google News on DNC. Wouldn't ya know, the first item to turn up is...
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtm ... ID=5763132 (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5763132)
:rofl: He that will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave.
--William Drummond (1585-1640)
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Hey, Roy here again...
I did say on some thread that I wasn't going to post anymore, but I checked this thread again just now for the first time in a couple of weeks, and saw the reply from whoever it is in Boston.
I was obviously not taking everyone's personal privacy into consideration, so once again, Anonymous in Boston (and everyone else whose names I listed), I truly am sorry. That was very stupid of me. I blame Straight (har har).
I can be reached at artsydad@yahoo, if anyone wants to personally cyber-yell at me for writing down names. It really was with the best of intentions, but obviously a huge mistake.
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I just noticed that "scarstruck" repeated the name list later in the thread, and that those names are still there. And they do come up on google.
Jeez, I wish I hadn't posted that. What the hell was I thinkin'?
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So... I was right.
I originally posted about this list of names being a PROBLEM to individual's who may NOT appreciate it. BINGO.
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well, big friggin' suprise. What did you expect?
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Hey Roy -
VERY cool of you to appologize and make ammends -
I'll be sending you a friendship letter up through the Chain Of Command - or maybe putting in a permission slip to do something on our 4th phase day off - LOL!
Anyway - very cool of you - seriously - thanks
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eww. Father, you remember way too clearly and way too much about being in Straight. When I read some of your posts, I'm reminded of things I hadn't yet remembered and it creeps me out! I totally forgot about "friendship letters" through chain of command. How do you remember things soooo clearly!?!
Even your name! I'd forgotten that damned song.
"Father Abraham had many ????" [ This Message was edited by: Kathy on 2004-07-28 06:27 ]
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Father Abraham had seven sons, seven sons had Father Abraham...and he didn't laigh, and he didn't cry....
This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine...
Alice the camel had 10 humps,...
It only takes a spark, to get a fire going...
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I think I know who ya are, Father Abraham! Matter of fact, I'm quite convinced... Seeing as that was the only song from that hellhole that allowed us to shake our bones in a somewhat happy fashion (and if I remember correctly, you actually got confronted once for appearing to enjoy it a little too much). I'm listening to "Ripple" as I type this.
I never made it past early 3rd phase, so I never experienced those 4th phase days off and all that... But that is creepy, hearing these tidbits like friendship letters and chain of command and all that stuff. Ewww....
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Whups. Never mind. I had that wrong, "Father" was not the one in Boston replying to having their name listed.
Did I mention I feel like a schmuck for listing names?
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LOL!!! - Yup - Seven Sons!
This was THE song - Right Arm - Left Arm - Goose Step - Zig Hail! - LOL!
::rocker::
The good old days -
I've also been reminded recently about the first and most important rule - does anyone remember? - before you scroll down think - c'mon - once you know start motivating - I'll call on you - just don't snap your fingers...
Anyway - What is the first and most important rule? (insert Jeapordy music here)
:wave:
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Man, that is just weird. You seem to remember EVERYTHING about that place. Dude, let it go!
Wow... But while we're on the topic, can someone please grab me by the ass, lead me to the toilet and watch me poop?
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LOL!!!! - Now THAT'S funny!
God - I HAAAATED that!
::bigsmilebounce::
I always wanted to tackle the kid running to his suprised parents -
::bangin::
Oh - sorry - I was in my head - I thought he was copping out...
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No talking behind backs
Moral Inventory anyone?
No druggie friends, druggie hangouts
Rules Rap
Wants and Needs list
This little light of mine, I'm gonna let iyt shine...
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How about "Back Doors?"
I always thought it was so dumb when people would list all the possible places they might/could go if they were to run. Once I was actually FORCED to do it because one of my ultra-butthead "oldcomers" (wasn't that about the stupidest word they could have come up with) raised a "concern" that I never had. So I wrote down some names of old acquaintances I knew I would never even want to connect with again. It worked.
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Every time I'm driving at night and see a car with it's inside dome light on - I think - good for them - getting a head start writting their M.I's -
I STILL think that to this day!
::ftard::
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further proof that Father Abraham ain't aaight.
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It only takes a spark.......
Yikes is that spooky! I'd forgotten about those songs. Made me remember some others.
"I am straight hear me roar in numbers too big to ignore"
"Oh when the straights go marching in, Oh when the straights go marching in"
And lets not forget the deeply touching...
"We're a rainbow made of children, we're an army going strong"
I worried that I was going to be confronted every time we sang
that because I just couldn't get all choked up and cry
It should have been
"We're a cash cow made of children"Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
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How about
Exercise Rap
Executive Rap
No eye games
No reading
No playing off
Knock on all doors before entering
Splits, cop outs, and terminations
Anger is a secondary emotion
The three "R's" of anger-revenge retaliation and....?
Rational Self analysis-I specifically remember this little illustration
"Ralph sees a piece of cake. He thinks the cake looks delicious and wants to eat it. However if Ralph thinks the cake is full of worms he no longer wants to eat it. Ralph's thoughts determine his feelings about the piece of cake" There was even a drawing of a piece of cake with worms and a guy looking at it.
It should have gone like this
"Ralph sees a piece of cake. He thinks the cake looks delicious. Raph has been on the peanut butter & jelly diet for 26 days and is considering stabbing his oldcomer in the eye with his pen in order to get the piece of cake. Ralph thinks that even the cake with worms will be better than another stale, frozen chunk of bread imaginatively referred to as a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. "
This might have been just a Straight St Pete thing but anybody remember saturday night soup? It basically consisted of all the leftovers from the week thrown into tomato soup. It made absolutely no difference what the leftovers were, they were ALL thrown in. Mashed potatoes chili,green beans, hot dogs, peas, spaghetti-o's, fish soup, bologne, spam.
How about that chili with the thick layer of orange grease sitting on the surface. I used to put my napkin on it to let it soak up some of the grease.They had to seve that one with milk.
Sporks
Bust Ass Rap
What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that
they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long.
--Thomas Sowell
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OK all you catz and freakettes, I've done read the last 6 pages in their entirety, still wondering why. FIRST- lemme say that the obvious freakin reason, man, that the names were put up in the first place is the same reason I came here, cause I was there, wanna see if I recognise anyone and if anyone recognises me. I never got a chance to REALLY talk to anyone in there, it was forbidden. Like, what kinda music ya dig? Hendrix? right on! My first instict seein this site, before I read this string, was, where is everybody? So even though I see all the points made, I find it hard to believe that our little stroll down memory lane is gonna affect anyone outside this forum, DNC or whatever. I'd say lets mention so n so, 'cause ya never know how ya just might hook up with them. The names were also simply a list, does anyone remember them? It wasn't derogatory, or anything. Christ!
Anyway, y'all just took me on a hardcore memory trip. 16 years and I've never met anyone who was also in there, then to stumble on this. I'll be 32 in Sept. so that was half my life ago. Every once in a while I'll be falling asleep and dream about what it would be like to go back in time, knowing what I know now. Right from the intake, telling everyone what was who. Yeah man, I point out every little flaw in their doctrine, wich is motivation by fear. All in all I get everyone in there to say "yeah, what the fuck, fuck this place". But basically I'd romantisise putting staff fuckers in their place.
I had nightmares for a couple years where I'd wake up having thought I was back in that place. 4 days short of a year in there and I never got off 1st phase. I think I was also the only person not to get restrained. When I got out, everyone said I was yellow, that beautiful flourescent tan I got in there! My Dad finally withdrew me, and I went to AA meetings and stayed sober for 8 1/2 years. Truth is, same reason I never advanced, is that I only smoked pot for 6 months prior to going in, and drank even less. Hell, I was 16! So when I turned 25 and got sick of all the AA gurus, and realizing I never had a problem in the first place, I did some field testing. Still just smoke a little herb, drink a little, but I never go out of my way for either. At 25 I had to figure out what kinda beer I liked! Life is good, and they said I'd die! And I believed it! LOL! Sorry I wrote a freakin book, dig you catz later...
Tom Marshall
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"I am straight hear me roar in numbers too big to ignore" - LOL!!! - I completely forgot that song!
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LOL! - OH my God!!! - I remember singing that on front row of Open Meeting - Jeeeeesus!
Excersize rap - what a joke!
Executive rap - LOL! - What in the world was that all about?!?!?
Bust Ass Rap - LOL! - my personal favorite!
Rational Self Analysis - not just a St. Pete's thing - we had it in Stoughton (MA) also -
Equally was the horrible food - what was it about being a Straightling that the host families were required to have the WORST food ever!
By the way - I fell asleep with the TV on last night and need to report myself...
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I hear what you're saying as far as the names go - I just don't think it's cool to "name names" -
First name last initial is fine - revealing your own name is fine - it's just not cool "outing" someone on the web -
I'd love to know how the following are doing:
Scott & Bob C
John M
Mike T
Bob K
and I could easily just give my name and e-mail address to take it offline - get specific there for any follow up - then again you'd have to figure that anyone here is here cuz they were there - but again I wouldn't want someone "outing" me -
I do like the idea of having a place for ex Straightlings to congregate -
It's a catch 22 I guess - so I got no bad feelin's or malice about it...
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We ate at host homes only on Sunday when we didn't have to be til noon.Some homes had breakfast..of course my mandatory dry toast & dixie cup of OJ didn't tell me much about their cooking skills.Maybe creating bad food was a special training course offered..like Rational Behavior Therapy.
I suggest you write an RSA on exactly why you fell asleep last night.
Have a seat.The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir
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LOL! - good consequence - ok - wrote an RSA and a special M.I.
My host family made the WORST meals - I remember sandwhiches that were so thin you could see through them!
We'd come home from "the building" and get the absolute worst meals - one night I made the mistake of saying "Gee Mom - this half slice of microwave pizza was kind of bad and I'm still hungry - can I have something else?"
It was like I took a dump on the table - the whole family and my 2 old comers just stared blankly at me...I was brought to the basement and BLASTED!
It's funny - as I remember this and type it I start getting pissed - LOL! -
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"Who'd like to give Father Abraham a hug?"
LOL!
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I'd like to give you a hug but you are on the guys side so I'm looking at the floor while I type this to you.
Besides I think you appear to be ungrateful-you're supposed to be thankful for receiving any food AT ALL. Remember you did all the necessary things to be here.
I'd suggest a week or so on the PB & J to improve yourself.
Love Ya...the people have a right to keep and bear arms.
-- Patrick Henry and George Mason Debates
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I am just now getting pissed :flame:
It is amazing that the mere memories produce such powerful emotions still.When an innocent Californian millionaire gets killed by a drug squad
trying to seize his house with a bogus search warrant, people better ask themselves if they really want to turn their cops into money-makers.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder
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Another funny thing -
The idea of being gamey with the girls side is SUCH a turn on - LOL!
I guess being 16 and sitting so close to teenage girls and being told that you're not to look at or be gamey with kind of stays with you -
Listening to some of their past incidents - GEESH!
LOL! - Hormones running wild!
I always felt so bad about getting crushes on girls from "The Girls Side" -
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:lol: :lol: Gamey girls! I'd forgotten that little bit of slang. How many times did i hear that one?
You know sometimes I still find myself looking at the floor for some subliminal fear or guilt. How weird is that? I have to MAKE myself look people in the eye sometimes.Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones
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To the person who listed names: I don't know what Straight VA is or was but I do know an S. Bowers that lived in Northern VA and was in plenty of programs in the 80's and 90's. I remember him telling me about being in some treatment center and found another kid hanging dead. He never got over that. I've been searching for S. for a few months now and I bet it's the same person. Anyway, S. is dying of aids. After getting his life together and getting married and having 2 kids this is his closing chapter. His condition is well known by everyone he knows in this area and he would not care that his name is listed on this website. I've known him for over 20 years and I know him through and through. If it's the same person you now have an answer to where and how he's doing.
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Steve Matthews was my brother.
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Hey Roy!
You showed up at my house on the horse farm in Asheville. our friend Jamie brought you over and we were playing music when we realised we were brainwashed together. Ira's last name was Ka*fm*n. I think he hung himself after he was withdrawn. I want organise a Springfield reunion, any interest? Marcus Chatfield
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Marcus your name is terribly familiar. I just got there in jan 87, so you may not rmemeber me. I am interested, yet terrified, in Va reunion but live in Fl now.
Tom, I think I know you. From suitland, MD?
Geoffrey A.
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I came here to see if I recognized anyone also. I just think it's cool that people remembered me. :em:
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hey Fred Herring! what the hell are you up to? i like the troubleinc thing...
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On 2005-01-07 18:36:00, troubleinc wrote:
"I came here to see if I recognized anyone also. I just think it's cool that people remembered me. :scared:
Geoffrey A.
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[ This Message was edited by: shady grove on 2005-09-20 14:51 ]
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What do you mean scary? :skull: lol
I was just all about me back then. All about trouble.
I'm gettin my shit straight now though. Can't handle the drama anymore. LMAO
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Hey fred I remember you and your sister carla, i dont know if you remember me or not I was Dianna Layman at the time married now. HOw have ya been, I remember the day that they brought carla in and they stood you up to say shit to her, I felt bad for her cause she was so young, were you guys twins or brother and sister. just wondering I have twins now....and lord karma is coming back on me they are 13 and drive me crazy!!!
Diane
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wow a blast from the past what did i stumble into how come nobody remdmbers me?"?
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funny that you dont post your own name
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i remember you, anonymous
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i agree and its funny that they care enough not to post their own name what a jackass excuse me annonomys jackass
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I agree/ Anonymous jackasses EVerywhere!
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good old days? are you trippin?
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Trippin on you! :wave:
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john kalland here
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just as i thought
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Are you lost? I can tell you where you live.
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oh my god FRED!!!!!!!!!!!!! john kalland here
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i live in hawaii asshole
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NY, CA, MN, LA
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not you fred whoever is trying to talk a little shit
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MO, TX
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fred!!!1 call your sister and get my number bruddah call me
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and your name is
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And you are?
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i knew steve damn shame my regards
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my name is john kalland
and you are
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On 2005-01-07 18:36:00, troubleinc wrote:
"I came here to see if I recognized anyone also. I just think it's cool that people remembered me. :em:
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On 2005-03-30 04:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And you are?"
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just as i thought
what still scared of consequences
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No. I quit posting on this thread out of respect for Steve. Perhaps we could carry on our conversation in another location, or by pm.
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I was in Straight from november 86 to May 87 I remember
Fred and Carla,
Scott Ward,
Andrew Bell,
Joe and Amy Theismann,
Eric with the spiked up mohawk.
I was really quiete back then, SCARED off my ass to be there. That place really sucked! I am sober today though, thru AA, and lovin' it.
Remember that kid Emmanuel Lewis who was bustin' everyone up, and that big dude Jack. Can't really remember many names just can picture the face. What were the couselors names
Steve Turney?
??Guggliota
Big guy Rob,
Mr. Kelliher,
??Profit
Chris?? (long hair dude)
I remember that guy Mike who was on 5th phase and got started over for breaking confidentiality, and then graduated.
Anyone with more names please refresh my memory.
Unless you are scared to break confidentiality ::boohoo::
We are the fired up the....
MATT CREMEN
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I've got extensive lists of names. I don't list full prisoner names. Will return later whichore staff names fore ya. Sorry to hear yer still hittin the 12-step!
Do you remember Heather F., a frequent misbehaver?
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Did she have dark brown hair light complected with som freckles?
Don't be sorry that I am "still hitting the 12 steps" I need them. My life has completely turned around cuz of AA. However I got sober when I was ready, and AA is a totally different philosphy than Straight was. They say if you don't want to get sober, don't worry you wont.
Straight was just a bad system at trying to get people sober who did not want to be sober. I am sure the stories are true that they really fucked some people's heads up. That place sucked, but it is over, and the ones who want to blame straight for all their problems need to move on.
I do not feel bad about saying names, unless someone specifically asks me not to use theirs anymore, then I wont out of their wishes. Sounds like they did a good job of brain-washing you with the confidentiality rule. In actuality that only applies to doctor-patient relationships, since I am not or never was staff, IT DON"T APPLY!!!
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No, but maybe there are those who went through the hell hole that would rather that little nugget of info remain private, just as in AA. Shouldn't they be afforded the same courtesy as your AA buddies?
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On 2005-04-30 12:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, but maybe there are those who went through the hell hole that would rather that little nugget of info remain private, just as in AA. Shouldn't they be afforded the same courtesy as your AA buddies?"
Oops, me. :em: To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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In that case I apologize if I offended anyone and will not mention names anymore!
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okay, that's cool. people have different reasons for not wanting their names up here.
i think about the brainwashing thing a lot, though. that confidentiality thing did stick with me for a long time. i also went to AA & NA for about five years after i got out of Straight. i got plenty of that whole "blame" thing. i don't know why it is so big in there. who started that, and why? is it a big part of the "Big Book" or something?
my emotions were messed up enough as it was from Straight, people telling me to "quit pushing out your tears" and also the whole "you need to take a look at that" or whatever. stuff like that can get in your mind and then it becomes your own thoughts. it messed me up and caused a lot of anxiety for a long time.
i noticed there was a whole morality kind of thing in AA & NA surrounding emotions and what was acceptable and what was not and how you were supposed to look at everything.
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i don't know how to explain it maybe. i feel, i remember, i think my own thoughts and come to my own conclusions about things.
i like living alone a whole lot. there is no one else to have an opinion about anything i do or think or feel all day long.
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The balme thing is tricky, I feel that Straight did more harm to me than good, and many others feel the same way. The thing is I am the one who has got to do something about the way I feel.
For me blaming Straight for all my problems, or even some of them is going to do nothing for my well-being. Many people in life have faced far more devastating obstacles than Straight.
I found that facing these obstacles, rather blaming, or seeking revenge is much more healthier for me.
In fact, I'll dare to say that some of the things Straight taught us I do agree with, such as, honesty and dealing with feelings.
However, Straight's fucked-up approach with the physical treatment of HUMAN BEINGS was way off mark.
Also, about the AA thing, it is not for everyone. Everyone who entered Straight is not an Addict or Alcoholic. I am. I wish I could drink and smoke weed, but when I do i go Fuckin' Nutz!
AA has saved my life, but for someone who does not need it, well hey, then they don't need it.
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You don't think it's okay to blame straight for things they were directly responsible for? Insane! So who should we blame for the bad things that happened? Why should I try to forget what they did to me? Should you tell a rape victim to forgive to? BTW much worse things have happened to me besides straight and I will never forget to BLAME the people that harmed me as a child and young adult. I may have "moved on" from the stuff and don't cry about it, but it will always be a part of who I am. Why should I or anyone else for that matter pretened that this stuff didn't happen or no longer has lasting effects? Should you tell Vietnam Vets w/ PTSD to get over it and stop blaming the govt. as well? This is the problem w/ our society everyone just wants to sweep all the bad shit under the rug and pretend it never happened. If I want to talk about the bullshit I exp. in straight until I'm 100 years old it's my right. It's a part of who I am and I'm never going to shut up about it just because someone thinks their living their life so much better because they can push it all down.
Signed someone who really doesn't like to post my name these days.
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The problem with this country is people who want to BITCH about all the injustices done to them. They can never let go or move on. I did say that place was screwed up and did more harm then good. However, what are you doing about all these resentments that you hold, it sounds like they are in control of you life. As far as, women who have been raped, many did eventually forgive their attacker, for their own peace of mind and so they can move on with their lives.
YES we do have the right to talk about what happened to us til we are 150, but this revengeful attitude many have will wind up hurting them more in the end. It always does!
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On 2005-05-01 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The problem with this country is people who want to BITCH about all the injustices done to them. They can never let go or move on. I did say that place was screwed up and did more harm then good. However, what are you doing about all these resentments that you hold, it sounds like they are in control of you life. As far as, women who have been raped, many did eventually forgive their attacker, for their own peace of mind and so they can move on with their lives.
YES we do have the right to talk about what happened to us til we are 150, but this revengeful attitude many have will wind up hurting them more in the end. It always does!"
yeah, THAT'S the problem with this country. :roll:
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my friend, i was best friends with Carla Herring and knew her brother Fred, too. I knew they went to Straight but never saw them again after. i am hoping that you have some infomation that could lead me to Carla?? she can email me at sonyadee@yahoo.com I was Sonya Sullivan back then (in the 80s) and my family took Carla in - remember North Carolina?? pls write back!
thx,
sonyadee
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Carla was freakin hot as hell, thats like the only girl I remember
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On 2006-03-26 19:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"my friend, i was best friends with Carla Herring and knew her brother Fred, too. I knew they went to Straight but never saw them again after. i am hoping that you have some infomation that could lead me to Carla?? she can email me at sonya.dee@msn.com (http://mailto:sonya.dee@msn.com)
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WEERNT U MY OLDCOMER???
KIP M
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YO,MAN, SO ANY LUCK LOCATING ANY OF THESE PEOPLE. WALLY GREVES FOUND ME ON-LINE THE OTHER DAY. WHAT A TRIP. SSDD HERE. DRINKIN LIKE A FISH AND PLAYING FIREFIGHT WHEN POSSIBLE. TAKE CARE!!!
KIP MASON
EMT2ALS@YAHOO.COM
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On 2006-03-30 07:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"YO,MAN, SO ANY LUCK LOCATING ANY OF THESE PEOPLE. FOUND ME ON-LINE THE OTHER DAY. WHAT A TRIP. SSDD HERE. DRINKIN LIKE A FISH AND PLAYING FIREFIGHT WHEN POSSIBLE. TAKE CARE!!!
KIP MASON
EMT2ALS@YAHOO.COM"
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you cannot edit your post if the initial post was created anonymously.
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Does anyone know the whereabouts of John McCr**. He was a host brother of Kyle Landr*.???I think he was from Pennsylvania.