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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: CEDU IS A CULT on July 05, 2004, 11:09:00 PM
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I have been reading through some of the posts by ex-staff members. Many of these are calling on us to get real about how many of the CEDU experiences were positive and therapeutic. They berate us for ignoring these positive aspects.
They say we exagerate our experiences for shock value and shock value only!
As a responce, I am using their own ammo against them. I am going to use some of the ammunition they gave me.
Ready?
Here it comes...
Rudy Bentz (older student leader): Told us (13-14 year old kids) about how he used to put a piece of liver in a small empty milk container, cut a hole in it, make a careful slice and proceed to fuck the hell out of it. Oh yeah, he said warming it up first helped.
Jill Bentz(team leader): Told us (13-14 year old kids) about how she fucked her teachers to get through college. She also told us about how she liked to stick a finger up her ass when she masturbated.
Tim Brace (headmaster): Told us (13-14 year old kids) about how he liked to drop a couple hits of acid working in the Navy. He also said that he was involved in several gay relationships where he played the part of the female during intercourse.
(I'll find the name and edit it in): (headmaster) Told us (13-14 year old kids) about how he and his male friends would get bored and pass around a stick trading off shoving it up eachother's asses.
There are many more instances of Staff Perversion, but I need to remember and find the exact names.
Or maybe some of you could help out.
This Staff Perversion mixed with sleep/food depravition, constant belittling mixed with emotional mind-fucking mixed with extreme verbal abuse was used to extract false confessions in the same manner it has been used in Abu Ghraib. Students aged 13-14 male in front of female, female in front of male, male in front of male, female in front of female alike were forced to give eachother exacting details of their masturbation history.
NOW - ONLY A COMPLETELY INSANE PERSON WOULD SUGGEST
WE MOVE OUR DISCUSSION TO THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF CEDU!!!!
Jesus fucking christ!!
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P.S. Feel free to print the above post and mail to any and all current/past/future parents of CEDU students.
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I just read that and remembered how fucked up listenin to some of that stuff was sometimes. Thats one of the biggest reason I hated propheets, you had to sit through one of those sessions every time. And i HATED when staff would start talkin bout their sexual history, I mean in my eyes some of the stuff I heard made me feel like they were pathetic. Thats why I never really respected or feared 99% of the staff their. I mean listen to the shit that comes out of their mouths on a daily basis, does that sounds like a normal sound minded person to you? Some staff would even prod kids to discuss some pretty, I dont know how to put it, but explicit sexual history. Oh yeah here is an example that might make people think.
I was in a propheet, and girls are typically expected to claim that sleeping with guys was a disclosure. But anyway, I remember one particular example where a staff kept pushing a student to discuss her sexual history in detail. He told her to describe an act and she said something to the effect of "i had oral sex" and then the staff blasted her back saying "NO YOU SUCKED COCK (or DICK I dont remember which of the two was used)!" And these types of scenes were common, especially with certain staff members that you could almost garuntee this every time with.
But anyway thats my 2 cents about this topic.
On 2004-07-05 20:26:00, Bryan Felsher wrote:
"P.S. Feel free to print the above post and mail to any and all current/past/future parents of CEDU students.
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I remember that shit
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Bryan, I went to CEDU a few years earler than you did. Were laurie Saunders and Jim Johnson still there?
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I'm not sure the ex-staff postings were positive about CEDU. Many of their feelings seem as negative as our experiences. None of them ---Jack, Max, Roy, "former-CEDU therapist"--seem to endorse the crazy pit of CEDU in any manner.
The only positive post was from a parent of a kid who went there. I was surprised no one wrote to her. I explained the experiences of BS, bad therapy, lack of accreditation, flat out lies, extreme insulation from outside world, lack of proper medical attention, and mental and verbal abuse and she STILL said CEDU works for a lot of people. Not mention the shady history and Synanon roots. In my view, if anyone explained this to me, I would be seriously rocked, so she must think I'm lying or something.
Still, there is so much BS out there. I read in the paper an article about the Herbal Life guy (dead) who went to CEDU and they talked about how CEDU began in an attempt to branch away from Synanon confrontational therapy. WHAT A FRIGGIN' JOKE!!!! The group "therapy" was nothing short of verbal gang bangs. I mean, that was the whole crux of the therapy. Other articles call CEDU a private SCHOOL. Another joke. I had two days of classes a week. These classes were at least a few grades behind the times. Did CEDU actually become a school after I left? Not one article I've read about CEDU really describes it for what it is. The biggest joke is "emotional growth school."
OK. Just needed to vent.
--Shanlea
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[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2004-08-01 22:33 ]
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I can't understand where you guys failed to see in my post the words "SOME staff". Of course I see the that some staff were victims just like us.
But some staff were not victims but, in my opinion, criminals.
And I will continue to post details of their crimes to the best of my ability.
I am only speaking of things which thousands of students have witnessed, but no one seems to want to discuss. These things I consider crimes against children. Reread what I posted!! Those people were fucking sick!!
Former Cedu Therapist- Of course, I know you wouldn't. You were obviously not one of the staff
I was speaking of. All of the staff that I read spewing about the positivity and love of CEDU posted anonymously. They would never do otherwise as, likely, some of them are mentioned in my above post.
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I guess I don't remember any staff postings that were positive. Thought they stayed away from this site.
Again, the thing that sucks is that many parents reading these posts probably wouldn't even believe the stuff on here. Sad, huh?
Do you remember the first rap you ever went to? Did you feel punched in the gut, shocked, mortified, incredulous, and terrified all at the same time? My first rap was a doozy! And nobody was even talking to me at the first rap! I don't think I've ever felt that combination before or since!
You know the weird thing. Some people say raps were a way to talk about your feelings. Maybe. But aside from abusive, I thought a lot of it was manufactured and sadidstic crap --- an excuse to be a total bastard for kicks.
Some people "ran their feelings" and sobbed and puked about bad shit; I could never ever do this and I had seriously bad stuff happening to me prior to CEDU. But everything seemed so artificial and manipulated that I did not trust the group enough to be emotionally vulnerable---ever. (And I cry at AT&T's "Reach Out and Touch Someone" commercials---go figure.)
This thread is all over the place--I apologize.
Does anyone have parents who FULLY appreciate what a cult CEDU really was?
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i hate it when people exaggerate on here; it takes away credibility and makes us all look like liars.
cedu does have it's good messages... it's full of good lessons being taught by bad teachers. and the bad part is that they insist that you learn these lessons even though they're teaching them poorly. bleh. you take what you like and leave the rest, although, i've found many of the things cedu tried to teach me to be true in my life (i've learned such lessons the hard way because i refused to take any of their advice)
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Please state what you think is an exaggeration.
On 2004-07-06 11:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i hate it when people exaggerate on here; it takes away credibility and makes us all look like liars.
cedu does have it's good messages... it's full of good lessons being taught by bad teachers. and the bad part is that they insist that you learn these lessons even though they're teaching them poorly. bleh. you take what you like and leave the rest, although, i've found many of the things cedu tried to teach me to be true in my life (i've learned such lessons the hard way because i refused to take any of their advice)"
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any so-called "good messages" of CEDU are just plain old common freaking sense. I'm tired of people saying everything is an exaggeration. It is a bad "school" period. Emotional growth doesn't occur when people are just spying , blaming, lying, conning, bullying, brainwashing etc.
People who are pissed off and vindictive about CEDU undermine our grievances when their profane rages and verbal abuse make us look like a bunch of disgruntled nutcases to people visiting the site. Of course we're pissed off but when we wish death to others etc. visitors think "holy shit. of course cedu didn't work for them. they belong in the nuthouse." They might not understand that these people are venting.
shanlea
PS everytime i write a post about some of our more explosive members, i feel i am about to enter the rap pit. it's just the ame debate--do you set this site up to bond and vent WHILE warning others of the abuses? Or do you just spew venom and turn everyone off? H.O.W. was saying better write his hatred than act on it. And certainly, that is true, but I would also like this site to serve a higher purpose.
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[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2004-08-01 22:33 ]
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the thing about common sense is that it's often times overlooked... common sense is commonly "accepted"/spoken, but not commonly practiced.
cliches are cliche, and people acknowledge them as such. they don't, however, fully accept them and incorporate them into their lives, for the most part.
again, like i said, they're good lessons being taught by faulty teachers; it's really hard to learn when you're too busy focusing on the faults of those who you're supposed to be learning from and modeling... i mean, it takes away from their credibility, right?
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Yah, kind of like using the name Mikehunt. It takes the focus away from credibility.
It is the systemic anger, humiliation and abuse of the CEDU programs put there by Mel Wasserman and his Team Leaders that negates any useful life lessons that my be taught there.
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On 2004-07-07 16:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yah, kind of like using the name Mikehunt. It takes the focus away from credibility.
It is the systemic anger, humiliation and abuse of the CEDU programs put there by Mel Wasserman and his Team Leaders that negates any useful life lessons that my be taught there. "
more like hiding behind that cloak of anonymity... i think that draws more attention than my name.
i understand the downfalls of cedu as i think we all do. i didn't discredit that.
thanks for your concern.
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oh shit, i thought i was signed in... ^^^^ that's my post. yep.
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wow, am I glad I found you guys. so, so, so glad I am not alone. RMA '90
p.s.
I've tried to have the freaky sex I learned about from my "Counselors" but I just don't feel that way about animals.
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bryan,
i remember you at cedu, in fact we lived in the same dorm. back then people called me rodney. Having sat through many of the same raps you did, i can substantiate all of the claims you have made here about rudy, jill, etc.
I heard all these stories myself,coming from their mouths. Besides all the sick sex stuff, I also remember rudy bentz talking about how he got drunk in the sixties, and ran a man over with his car. The police found rudy, but never arrested or charged him because his victim was black. Another staff member steve laird often told us about how he had molested a 13 year girl when he was in his 20's. These guys were 2 of the biggest pricks to ever work at cedu. Cedu staff placed so much emphasis on giving back to the school, being responsible for your actions, getting back into agreement; yet here we have 2 of cedu's most prominant staff members of the time, both of them guilty of terrible crimes,and neither of them ever spent a day in jail! kind of hypocritical don't you think?. I mean who here is really out of agreement?
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I remember you, too R. You're from Chicago area. Damn! You were like 14 or 15 there.
I.M. me if you want. It's good to here from you again. I remember that shit about Rudy and Steve Laird. Fuck those bastards. It's good of you to substantiate my claims. You remember that shit about Tim Brace, too?[ This Message was edited by: Bryan Felsher on 2004-07-20 21:06 ]
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I remember Tim acknowledging that he had gay issues and that he used drugs in the past, but I never heard him get into specifics about what actually happened. Anyways all of them were full of shit. To be honest, the few staff members I met who could actually think for themselves and seemed like decent people, got fired. Remember Luke Nemo...he actually cared about us and Tim Brace fired him for not being brainwashed like the rest of them. There were a few others. Ron Davis was pretty cool. Anyways is cedu being shut down? whats the story. (rod)
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Yeah I remember Luke Nemo. He was a good guy. I remember when they fired him. Ron Davis as well was one of the best guys there.
Is CEDU being shut down? We're all working on it.
I'm currently working with Chuck Wyatt of the Twin Peaks Sheriff.
There are some major criminal allegations against CEDU far beyond what I had thought.
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I have to say i had forgotten that. Brace ran my childrens. I have to admit though he may have had mo' tendencies, he is one of the people I didn't hate. The thing is that all of the sexual stuff was so wierd because we were so young. Richard Armstrong stripped searched me and had me bent over before my dad had finished abandoning me there. There was NO REASON for the "search".
I accurately remember many disclosures of staff members but am busy looking for the absolute best way to publish my account to the world. It hurts me to talk about this very much. But god I am so fucking glad I'm not alone. Y'know, I don't remember everything I need to about it all. I'm going to go straight into this problem, can't skirt my way around this. My future must be now. How I wish my parents could see how much harder life is for me now...after RMA. Because of RMA. I don't like to dwell in it...I just can't help it. I have to be honest though, that I don't know what would've happened if I had not gone there. Part of me must at least examine this.
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You well expressed one of the dilemmas in the mind of the Cedu survivor. And you are not alone. The dilemma is that we hate Cedu and it's idea, and yet that hate is a source of conflict within us. It is a source of conflict because on one hand Cedu wronged us, but, on the other hand, did it shape our current lives? And if it shaped our current lives, then is it a part of who we are? So do we hate a part of who we are? Well, I can say for my self, that after I graduated Cedu, at the age of 16, within a week I was smoking weed, drinking, and getting laid. By age 19 I was shooting heroin. I shot heroin for 8 fucking years. It put me homeless sleeping on a cardboard box in San Francisco for 4 months. It put me court ordered to a psych ward for 3 weeks deemed anti-social psychotic while kicking methadone. Two overdoses. One, a homeless man found me. The second, they left me in the back of a car in a used car lot. The places, I've been since Cedu. Maybe all the shit I put myself through after Cedu- maybe I was running from something there. Maybe I was just trying to find myself again. I'll say this. If Cedu positively affected my life, and if by going there, I dodged a worse bullet in life- well, I doubt it.
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What doesn't kill you will make you stronger. That is the human condition and has nothing to do with CEDU.
CEDU is the lion's den that your parents threw you into to see if you have what it takes. It doesn't change the fact that CEDU is abusive to kids.
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What does not kill often makes stronger, but it can also cause damage to lifes. My wife worked for CEDU for two decades - the person I loved is gone and turned into a sceaming, passive aggressive maniac. CEDU harms too. I know cause It harmed me and my whole family.
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I was at the high school in 2002 and i've got to tell you, things were not all that bad. Maybe you guys were in Idaho,or maybe you guys just had a really bad experience, all i know is, I never once had something like that happen to me. :???:
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To the 2002 pro-Cedu grad. Give yourself a few more years and perspective.
To Bryan, are the allegations currently top secret? Are there enough people who aren't afraid to prosecute? What kind of abuses are they prosecuting? Only blatant ones like sexual etc. or are they going after their "therapeutic" practices?
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To the 2002 grad: This interests me greatly because my son also graduated (from RMA) a few years ago, and had a very good experience that he continues to view as positive.
We really have no big complaints about the school(maybe a policy here, a staff member there that he or I could have done without),although he certainly hated the school a lot when he first went there.
I am becoming a psychologist, because, largely based on our RMA experience, I want to work with adolescents in trouble. For this reason, I am interested in techniques and approaches that help to bring about the possibility of change when a kid has gotten into a negative, intractible, self-destructive frame of mind.
Here at this site, I am getting a lot of info on what some posters found to be unhelpful and dangerous, and it seems as if some of the things that were important and life-changing to my son (and a number of others who I have kept up on) were sometimes the same things that some of these people found to be very bad (I am thinking, for example, of the Propheets).
So what worked for you? If you come back to this site, I would like to hear more about your experience.
Do you find that your perspective has changed since you left? What about your team members? What about others who graduated before you (if you know any), have their views on the experience changed over time? (The kids I know have been out for between 4 and 6 years, and I don't know of anyone who came out positive on the program who has changed that point of view, but based on reports here, at least, that sometimes happens).
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She thinks we are full of crap or seriously distorting our experinces. That is convenient, but wrong. it isquite normal for a new CEDU grad to put the experience in her back pocket along with some CRazy Summit dance and smily graduate faces. CEDU bred such intense, insulating, challenging experiences it was hard to shake that off. It was like a secret society,...it takes alog time to free your mind. I left CEDU and imported it in my life and realized I had no tools to be intimate, to trust, or get close to anyone. I GOT NO TOOLS AFTER CEDU. It was a holding tank. A break/down tank.
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"This lady" is ottawa5, I just was working on two computer screens at once (my thesis and all) and forgot to enter my username, I guess, when I responded to the Anon post from the 2002 grad.
So anyone who reads this, may answer me if they wish, although most of the regulars here know my point of view. However, new info is always welcome.
One of the points I wanted to bring up if the 2002 grad came back to this site and responded was this :
"If you've had a good experience in your life, that means something to you, don't let anyone take it away from you. Not to be accomodating to other points of view, not out of fear of ridicule or anger, not for any reason.
On the other hand, if you find that your perspective about your school experience does change with time, well, acknowledge that too, since it is your experience, not to be tampered with simply to justify the experience of others. Coming to a different point of view through your own considerations and reflection is quite different from accepting someone else's prophesy of dire future reformulations of your experience."
And to the "Someone answer this lady" Anon poster: I do not think that (the collective) you at this site are "full of crap", I do think that not everyone who attended an emotional growth school experienced it in the same way. And I do believe that it makes some posters hopping mad that other people had a positive experience when they did not.
I, for one, reject as unreasonable on its face, the notion that everyone who had a good experience was brainwashed, etc., and I continue to be interested in the true underlying reasons for these different points of view.
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It's shanlea. I know it was you. I feel you skirt around the issues of coercion and abusiveness that takes place in these raps. I am too tired to argue anymore and yes it does piss me off because i saw unethical, inhumane practices not only applied to me but to the majority. Am I supposed to clap my hands that some of them like to have their heads handed to them on a platter and that many of their disclosures were coerced or used against them in non-therapeutic ways? Much of Germany followed Hitler around like robots until the world crashed down on them.
It would be fun to debate your son on this site and get his perspective as a student who loves it!
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I would love it if my son would debate some of you on this site. He is certainly not a retiring person and is always one to stand up for his rights, and the rights of others--I've mentioned it but he just seems to see the site as useless bickering at this point anyway.
I, of course, like a mom, try to keep the door open to future discussions, not only because I do not see it as useless bickering (at least not just that), but because it would be very amusing to see him interact with certain players in this forum. Time will tell.
Now, as long as I am here, I do not see how you can say that I "skirt around" issues like coercion and abusiveness.
Abusiveness is easy, I'm against it, and the issue is only what is to be defined as abusive. Some of the things described here sound abusive to me, others, well, it's a matter of opinion.
Coercion is a bit more complex: I don't see how a parent can raise a child without some coercion and even with a teenager, some degree of coercion is expected. By "coerce" I mean, a la dictionnaire, to persuade an unwilling person to do something by "force".
By "force" in this context, I don't mean physical attack, "force" after all means also mental or moral strength or power (although with a young child, I suppose we do use physical "force" in the sense of physically taking him or her out of dangerous situations often unwillingingly, even when we do not spank or punish physically). I guess you can say "persuade", but with the power differential between children and adults at all levles, I think "coerce" is more honest.
Coercion, considered this way, in the context of the schools and raps likely has to play some part of the program (I like the idea of minimizing it as much as possible, because it can backfire with certain groups of children). Much of what you describe in your complaints against the school sounds abusive rather than coercive, if you are an accurate correspondent.
After all, though, there is really no need to bring Nazi Germany into it, can't we do without that kind of hyperbole?
Maybe it is as simple as the type of person who is involved in the experience--some people take things a lot harder than others--I think it is Jerome Kagan's work that indicates that temperament is inborn and very unlikely to change over time. It is clear that something is making a difference in how different students have experienced these schools.
It's easy for you if you can just write off the ones who were OK with the experience as "identification-with-the-aggressor" automatons. I know a good number of these "automatons" and how can it be that in every current facet of life they are sensitive, justice-seeking, forward-looking, and good people, if their positive experience of the schools, raps and all, is indicative of some sort of character discrepancy?
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Ottawa- this is the wrong site for you. You apparently agree with CEDU's methods. Please continue to post here, though. You represent EXACTLY what we are fighting.
Your son's experience at CEDU and the fact that he will not post on this site means one of two things.
Either you are a liar or he is a fucking mindless coward.
Already, I personally don't like you nor your son. Anyone who found CEDU to be a positive experience, I don't see how I could ever like in the light of what really goes on there.
You probably just wanted your son to be a mindless robot you could now control. I doubt he has one single original thought in his mind. He is just programmed by you or CEDU.
Bring your son on this site.
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This is the "wrong site" for me? Who died over the weekend and got you appointed God? I'll decide what is the "wrong site" for me, thank you.
There are many things that worry me in the world, I admit, but whether you think I am a liar is not high on the list. Whether or not you like me carries a similar level of concern, although in the best of worlds, it would be a welcomed thing to try to find some common ground between us, as fully functioning adults optimally attempt to do when they disagree.
And do you think that my son, who does not have any interest in the whole site, is very likely to care if some person, who is totally irrelevent to him, is throwing predictable expletives about him in absentia? Still, I'll mention that "Bryan Felsher" has a bad opinion of him, if you think this will be an important influence on his participation.
Actually, I hope he does decide to involve himself sometime, it would help him see the kind of students that CEDU has not work out well for, and that they include both reasonable and less reasonable people,and that, in some cases at least, there are people with some legitimate concerns.
I have absolutely nothing against you personally Bryan, but it is wearying to deal with the anger, the ups-and-downs, the style that is almost like a tantrum--and in a grown-up person.
If you want to have a meaningful conversation, you know where to find me. If not, feel free to use as much time as you find warranted, composing tirades about me and/or my son, and I'll feel free to ignore you, unless it seems relevant, for some reason, to respond.
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Are you M%^* R***. I get confused about you. YOu've had many helpful posts. Were you a student or a staff.
Who do you do now.
---shanlea
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Ottawa, you say your son is "one to always stand up for his rights" yet you have also made it very clear that he willingly stayed and graduated from Rocky Mountain Academy, that's a huge contrradiction of terms. Your son sounds more like a big pussy to me!
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Max,
I meant WHAT do you do now, not who. Sorry!
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:scared: RMA has actually collapsed. anyone who wants details can email me at Eavell2@uic.edu. i fucking hate that place so i am happy but yeah. i'm drunk as hit so you all have fun.
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On 2004-07-24 23:49:00, ottawa5 wrote:
Coercion is a bit more complex: I don't see how a parent can raise a child without some coercion and even with a teenager, some degree of coercion is expected. By "coerce" I mean, a la dictionnaire, to persuade an unwilling person to do something by "force".
By "force" in this context, I don't mean physical attack, "force" after all means also mental or moral strength or power (although with a young child, I suppose we do use physical "force" in the sense of physically taking him or her out of dangerous situations often unwillingingly, even when we do not spank or punish physically). I guess you can say "persuade", but with the power differential between children and adults at all levles, I think "coerce" is more honest
You really don't see an alternative? How about reason? Have you ever tried using reason to persuade your teenaged kid to do or not do something? It's the ultumate catch 22 strategy. See, every time the kid rejects your argument and does whatever it is that you didn't want, they find out for themselves how accurate your risk assesment was. If you were right, they respect you all the more and trust you more next time you offer guidance and advice. If you were wrong, well then they gain the benefit of trying out their own ideas. Unless, of course, you're a control freak, in which case they must first endure a couple of years of intense coercion, where they learn to keep mum when they disagree w/ you.
You can lead a camel to water but you can't make it stink (any more than it already does)
-- Job
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Or try the approach presented in the side-splitting book "Fuck Yes".
Briefly, the teen girl tells her dad that she has decided to become sexually active, and asks if he approved.
His reply, "Yes".
She was shocked and angered at his reply. He had given up the role of all-knowing, authoritarian. She began to espouse all the reasons she shouldn't. Frustrated she asked what was wrong with him. How could he approve.
He assured her that he thought it would be a good idea if that was what she wanted, and then proceeded to lay out what the future might hold if they didn't use birth control.
Dropping out of school, a baby, Bryan flipping burgers to support them, she serving macaroni and cheese for dinner every night (something she despised), or Bryan supporting her through an abortion.
In a humerous way the author, who remains anonymous, attempts to help parents see how they can be helpful without assuming the role of social and moral police. Accurate information in a light and humourously matter-of-fact way. Parents tend to be way too serious. Can't be very effective when your efforts are motivated by fear and your agenda is to control.
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Does anyone seriously not have a problem with this!!!
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'm seeing that too Nih.
this is what happens at cedu when allgood was there before he split
13 yr old swimming in the pool. 3 older boys harrassing and tormenting him. Taking his float, keep away, ducking him, publically humiliating him in front of everyone there.
He snaps and yells that he's going in his house to get a knife. They split and call the police.
The kid does several months in juvie. No questions asked of the tormentors. Their behavior apparently was acceptable. Bait someone and then hollor victim when they react.
I'm not condoning his 'threat', it was extreme, but so were the consequences. He actually had no intention of attacking three older and bigger boys.
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Can anyone deny that they didn't hear and witness things like this and much much worse?
That's what therapy is about?
Getting brutalized by sick, disgusting, perverted old men and women 3 times a day for periods lasting up to 6 days straight, coupled with food/sleep deprevation and public humiliation!!!!
That's fucking therapy?!?!?!
Being broken down by up to 12 hour or more labor periods, until pure physical exhaustion made you accept like a beaten dog all the abuse they could lap on you?!!!
Oh, yeah- let's not forget about the 5th grade education they offer!!!
I can't believe I got an "F" in english on my first report card there. (remember- english credit for raps?) That "F" was nothing more then blackmail!!
It subtly threatened that if I didn't accept the program and EVEN PARTICIPATE in the abuse, I would not receive my highschool diploma!!.
In fact, they didn't even give it to me. I wasn't able to get a diploma from CEDU until 3 years after my graduation!!
HOW CAN ANYONE WHO IS NOT BLIND SERIOUSLY DEFEND ANY OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
I liken it to the German citizens who blindly, through their acquiesence, supported the Nazis.
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Bryan, did people used to pick on you because your name sounds like Feltcher? Just curious.
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Feltcher
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A person who drinks cum from his/her partner's asshole usually via an auxillary aparatus such as a straw or radiator hose.
"I walked in on my father feltching his bowling partner."
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One who after sucking cum out of his partner's ass will exchange it with him orally.
"The sick bastard was feltching with his gay lover"
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Feltcher
9 votes
a windsurfer, usually of french or european orgin, that looks for pieces and parts that were manufacured before father time and cares for nothing more then how fast the wind is blowiing up his ass.
Do ya really need one!
Source: weenie, Mar 12, 2003
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feltcher
8 votes
You have anal sex with a female (or male if that's your preference) then she (or he) farts the cum back out into your mouth. Upon doing so you drink it all.
Dude last night I gave Steve's mom a feltcher
Source: Marky Mark, Jan 13, 2003
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3 votes
Man who performs anal intercourse and then inserts a straw into the anus and sucks it back out.
One who is a feltcher and feltches.
Source: Ass fucker, Sep 18, 2003
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feltcher
no votes
When becky sucks the cum out of someones ass whole, or when someone sucks it out of hers
they feltched all night, becky is definately a feltcher, "He'll feltch your ass man"
Source: crazy, Feb 5, 2004
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Actually, no.
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A wise man once said: "Being angry is a sure sign of insecurity...and being Bryan Felsher is a sure sign of being dickless moron."
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The "Wiseman" is a Fool
And Bryan certainly wields his dick far better than you wield your brain.
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I'm sure you'd be most qualified here to talk about how "Bryan ... wields his dick" you fucking cock gobbler. I'm not sure exactly what kind of bitch you are, but its clear you and this faggot ass felcher are lovers ::kiss::
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Get over your bitterness - you stupid fuck up!!
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On 2005-01-10 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
And Bryan certainly wields his dick far better than you wield your brain. "
Ah, to be young again! :nworthy: What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.
-- Sigmund Freud
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