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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Drew on July 02, 2004, 01:30:00 AM
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Hey Ollie, get a fucking life. Yeah, it's me...Drew (Ollie's eyes now pop out of his head...like they didn't already...aww shit, his jaw just dropped!). I've been reading up your bullshit for about two weeks now afer I Googled myself and found the "Drew Hibbard is a Homo" Thread. Which by the way I thought was abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. I FWD'd the link to my friends and they loved it...so please, write more...or just bash me after this post...makes for great reading. Too bad you didn't think of it Ollie. It was Quinn right? And no, I didn't hate Quinn by the way. The only student I even came close to hating was one who's initials were R.S. (Pete is the only one who was around for him) and it was because I pushed to get him an early home visit & help the kid out and when I did he tried to screw me by trying to split on me in CT. Wait, OK, Mitch, yeah, I hated Mitch.
Hey Pete, thanks for standing up for me over the years on these budonkadonk webboards...don't know why you do...we had our differences, but trust me, I appreciate it. I'm generally loathe to post to these things.
Marc, give the man a break. He's a fellow alum for christsakes. He busted my stones like you wouldn't believe. And none of us, NONE OF US, did it for the paychek...b/c they sucked. I make 5 times the money now, work about 1/4 as hard than I did then and promised myself that I'd never work work with kids again...fuck, I work for a ski area in Wyoming. Probably the best mountain in North America...but I digress. Ever get the "If you're gonna Wash Dishes, Wash Dishes" speach? I did, after work, in Marc's car. Few things in my life have ever pissed me off as severely...but you know what? The fuckin guy was right. Truth hurts sometimes. So, Marc, if you're reading this(the title being obvious bait):
A lesser personage once asked Ummon: "What is the God Nature/Buddah/Central Truth"?
Ummon replied: "A Dried Shit Stick". I hope you're well my friend/mentor. You taught me much. If you keep in touch with Marian give her my best as well for Chip & the kids. Tell her I'm on Tele's these days (she'll know what I mean). Give my best to Claire as well...I still list her as a reference...even though I told her to kiss my ass in that staff meeting. Frank, Thea, Emmie & Shanies are doing exceptionally well...Frank is surfing in peru last I heard don't know if you knew.
Now back to you malcontents:
Ollie, Shaq shoots freethrows better than you...shit, my dead grandma shoots freethrows better than you. I always thought you were above the bullshit. I loved having you in my groups b/c you were always incredibly funny and had a great heart. But now it's,"I faked this...I faked that"...disappointing. You're better than that. Maybe I missed something after I left/before you "graduated". You're a good man Ollie, I knew that then, I can't believe that it has changed. Get over hating Marc...& not for him...just bad karma man.
Oh, also, We all wanted Cushman shot & keep speaking well of McVetty...great human being.
I'll never post here :skull: again, but feel free to e-kick-my-ass. I can't wait.
YANKEES SUCK! GO SOX!
Drew "X Director of X's & Hot Pants Extrordinare" HibbardHe that lives upon hope will die fasting
--Benjamin Franklin 1758
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Yeah, thats right GO SOX run away from the Yankees!!!!!
Drew I left before you did remember? Or,mabye not you know it can fry your memory. :nworthy:
E-mail me
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On 2004-07-01 22:30:00, Drew wrote:
The only student I even came close to hating was one who's initials were R.S. (Pete is the only one who was around for him) and it was because I pushed to get him an early home visit & help the kid out and when I did he tried to screw me by trying to split on me
Question: How would this kid's making a break for it "screw" a staffer? What would happen to the staffer in this case? I'm really curious.
Babylon in all its desolation is a sight not so awful as that of the human mind in ruins.
-- Scrope Davies: Letter to Thomas Raikes, May 25, 1835.
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My sense of most staffers is that they are pretty strange. It's not surprisoing that a staffer would feel screwed if a kid escaped a place that was probably violating his civil rights on a daily basis.
Just like Saddam feels screwed today!!
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I think it's more than that. Dude said he'd gone to bat for the kid (cause he favored him, maybe? Maybe sort of believed in him? Had faith in him?) but then hated him cause he tried to run. Why? What kind of consequences would befall an underpaid, overworked (and I'm not being snide here) staffer if a kid tried to run after the staffer went to bat for him?
I could guess, based on my experience w/ another Synanon based cult. But that would likely only be met w/ a lot of grousing about how I have NO clue, since I wasn't actually in the staff room at Elan for the come-down.
Anybody? How about Drew? You sure had a lot to say before I started asking questions. Cat got yer tongue?
P.S.
Drew, I really am glad you happened along. This is one of the reasons why I stand firm in my position on the value of anon posting. Whoever wrote that satire about you would probably not have done it if they could be easily associated w/ it. But that's how you found the site and it evoked a response. That's what antigens do, ya' know.
So, now that you're here, can you answer my question? Why would you hate a kid for trying to split? Just because you'd invested yourself in him and been rejected? Or was it something more concrete than that? Please do tell.
We will make mistakes. Learning from them doesn't make us heros. It only gives us a passing grade on the evolutionary scale.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
It is wrong to leave a stumbling block in the road once it has tripped you.
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Its just the type of ego driven behavior that staff displays.
Of course their underpaid. they are just there for the ego trip. Controlling teens!
and oh yeah "helping" teens in that environment is not done for anything other than some sort of self satisfaction.
They used to pay "retention pay" every quarter if there were no splits.
Maybe thats what your getting at Ginger?[ This Message was edited by: Robert on 2004-07-03 18:35 ][ This Message was edited by: Robert on 2004-07-03 18:36 ]
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he wasnt the only one...i know who you are talking about
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hey its chrysta... iknow who you are talking about...miss ya drew.
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Umm...
I wasn't at elan at this time, but I think that Drew was a student at the time that he "went to bat for the kid." He mentioned that the kid tried to split on him in CT, so he was on a visit- and Drew was his "support person". When I was in Elan, the support person would usually get shot down for someone "splitting on them". Not only that, but if Drew was in a high strength position (which he would have been if he went on the visit), and he pushed for this kid to get a visit and the kid split, it might look to staff like Drew was in some way trying to help him do that. That kind of stuff used to happen all the time when I was there. Just a thought.
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Yes Sweet Girl you may be on to something .
I reread the original post.
Thats how it was when I was there (79-81) Strength went on a visit. If something happened . Shot Down!!
Its just that i thought I read about a Drew staff somewhere else
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Hey chrysta! do you remember me it's kelley blaney, i haven't heard anything about you in a long time how are you doin?
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[ This Message was edited by: Chrysta on 2004-12-03 19:05 ]
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drew was a staff 94-97
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hey Kel...I do remember you...check your email
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Well, the only reason that I thought he may have been a student was that he referred to Marc Rosenberg as a "fellow alum". Like I said, it was just a thought, because I wasn't in elan until '98.
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Drew,you left elan 2 days after I got there. I've heard many good things about you, and lots of staff and students were sad to see you go. But you left when Mitch was at his worse. And he didDo alot of pretty terrible things while I was at Elan, however I never oncetreated him like an animal, as most of the other students did, and he never once said or did anything hurtful to me. It kinda shows how skewed even some of "the best" staff members are. To post on a message board that you HATED a 13 year old boy? When you were what somewhere in your 30's? That shows that Mitch probably got worse at elan because of the way staff fucked with him. Hey you had all this ultimate say over what happened to him, and you HATED him? I bet this means that all of his punishments while you were working were very acurate. I hope you understand sarcasm. Maybe you should call mitch or get a hold of him. He's brilliant, and finishing his university. He has turned into a very handsome man and will most likely be doing something a little bit better with his life that rening smelly ski boots to people. So Mr. Beverly Hills 90210, sounds like you like to live in the past. Sad to hear a staff say they HATED students, but what else can I expect from someone who made a living torturing 13-16 year olds. Oh Drew... always wish I had known you, but you sound just like a whiny kid. Move on. Oh by the way can I rent a size 9?
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pretty sad that you believe you have the right to speak about one of the most influential people in Elan never even knowing him. Drew was an awesome man, great staff, and kick ass soccer coach. Im just sorry you never got the opportunity to know him. I wasnt there for Mitch, but I was there for Drew. I also know that hate is a word oftenly used to express a thought. In in a forum as explicit as this, sometimes it takes a word as strong as that to get a point across. Please....talk about people that you know, not those you dont. You never know when you might strike the right chord. Even good guys have bad days
Chrysta[ This Message was edited by: Chrysta on 2004-12-04 18:01 ]
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Chrysta, I don't think anyone was talking about you. I also think Drew is man enough to share his own thoughts on this subject of working for a troubled youth school and instead of embracing a troubled student he decided to give up on him and HATE him. No one like that should ever work about children. So Chryta say what you want, but hopefully this "man" can talk for himself. Unless you have been appointed his number one wingman. :wstupid:
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again tell me that you have never had felt so strongly in something that you werent willing to stand up for. Its like fucking with a broken bicycle chain....eventually you get so mad, you give up....by the way who are you?
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I was there for Drew, Mitch, Chrysta, and way too many other people who came and went. I've kinda given up on trying to figure out why people rip on Marc. He was tough to get along with and hard to understand. If you could figure out why he did the things he did, you could realize how much he actually did give a shit. That's what caused us to become such good friends.
Drew, I never got to talk to much. When I did, it wasn't usually for very long, but I always appreciated it. Drew was the kinda guy who (it seemed to me) like to remain as laid back as possible but would unleash hell when forced to.
As far as the guy who split on Drew, I too have a speculation...
Drew was a staff, this kid was a student, Drew became friends with him and believed he would have a better chance at success with a home visit as was probably stated by the kid. When he split, he screwed Drew not because Drew would've gotten in trouble or because Drew was his SP, but because Drew had kinda trusted him as a friend and the kid had screwed him in that way.
I was sad to see Drew go and am happy to hear he's doing well. Coz, I haven't talked to you in forever, where are you and how are you doing? Chrysta, I haven't talked to you since you left, what're you up to?
I'm still tired and hung over from camping outside Fenway for opening day tickets... time for a nap.
~ Dave
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wow, a dave from my time that remembers me. Hey there...how are you? Im doing well . Congrats on graduating from BU. Hope all is going well for you[ This Message was edited by: Chrysta on 2004-12-12 18:44 ]
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Ginger, you always try to be above it all. Why is that? I personally loved Drew and respect him very much. Move on.
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you don't have to be callous, but care is one thing you do have to do... so, for some of you, you can rip on staff all you want... but i agree with this poster... a lot of fucked up shit happened in elan, i won't deny that... but if you were there after the 90s, then you are over reacting... everyone has a past... everyone on this site has a past...
for me personally, you can think what you want about me as well... you can think i snorted coke with rowe, you can think that i was a liar, or an ass kisser... but i can't recall a staff that did half the shit i did for the kids, and it wasn't for my own personal satisfaction, because working 90 hours a week for a shit 20,000 a year is not satisfying...
seeing someone have hope who never had it or seeing someone get their shit together, that is satisfying... and if you think that i worked there for any other reason than that, then you are just as moronic as your post reveal you to be... more importantly, i spent time with staff and directors... and i personally know how much they stressed about the kids... so, figure out what you're talking about before you say it...
more importantly, bash me all you want on this site, you simply prove my point...
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I'd love to get in touch with Drew, does anyone have an email address for him?
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who is asking?
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oops, I forgot to put my name, its Lindsey
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Drew was a heck of a soccer coach!! I had so much fun playing soccer, I haven't played since I left Elan. that was a long time ago. But I brag about being good, hahah!! the field was so small compared to a real soccer field, and we were like 15 or 16!!
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I agree...soccer was the shit. Miss it though! Ill get drews email for you and give it to you
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Missy was a great soccer coach too. She always made me a starter even though I sucked. One time I went to block a corner kick and knocked it in the wrong goal. I felt so bad and everyone hated me. lol Oh well