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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 01, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
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He is such a mena spirited jackass. He was really creepy.... He told me in the Childrens propheet that he molested his dog. ::crybaby:: ::cheers::
I f you hate matt russel post here!
Oh and brandi elliot too!
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His dog?!?!?! No shit?!?!?! That big Newfounland or St. Bernard or whatever it was? What did he do to the dog? What an ass!!!
Brandi is just a bitch. Everyone hates her.
On 2004-07-01 16:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He is such a mena spirited jackass. He was really creepy.... He told me in the Childrens propheet that he molested his dog. ::crybaby:: ::cheers::
I f you hate matt russel post here!
Oh and brandi elliot too!
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oy... matt russell.
he was my team leader for a little while. come to think of it, so was brandi (for like 3 weeks before she transferred to the hs).
double oy.
what cold people they were... this one counselor that i was friends with said that matt russell discriminated against him to the max for being gay. i loved how, at cedu, when you mentioned getting down with someone of the same sex, they would expect you to repent. for some reason, gayness doesn't fit very well into their standard code of obedience. :roll:
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laura solomon
cedu vet. 1996-1999
RIP[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-07-01 20:02 ]
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Matt was my team leader. I was on the Pinnacle Team from 96-98. My name is Dylan Shore. If any of you guys know me, please shoot me a email to dmshore@comcast.net Hell yea Matt was a fag. Seriously that man had no life, no family, nothing.
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[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2004-08-01 22:35 ]
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Fag, Faggot, Turd Burgler, Homo, Light in the Loafers, Cocksucker, Bitch-Blind.
They forced me to be nice to fags at CEDU. I say what I want when I want, forced us to accept them. Don't judge me, since you seem to be on a jesus trip. The only thing going up my ass is preparation H and a doctors fingers. Iraqi No-fly Zone, Hell on Wheel's No-Fly Zone, both patrolled by F-15E strike eagles
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I meant finger..... That would be the doc with a black eye and fat lip.....say that reminds me of an old joke
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You know the weird thing? I'll bet pro-CEDU people reading these posts think the dog thing and other perversions are just blasphemy and lies to malign CEDU. I don't know about the person in the post (MR) but I do know that I was surprised about all the animal and poop fetishes that students and staff copped to. In fact, I never expected to meet anyone who screwed animals in my life. I never even knew it really happened until people copped out at CEDU. Including staff. I'll bet if I told my parents, the staff would have denied it. Call me square, but bestiality is beyond comprehension.
The gay stuff? Who cares? There is a difference between pedophilia and homosexuality.
For all the crap staff was willing to address (when I was there) the weird thing was they put homosexulaity in this tight little box and students were not really allowed to address this issue. I often wondered if it was because CEDU did not want to deal with this topic because it was too sticky for some parents. (Parents might pull out and CEDU loses $$). Often in raps, the minute the gay card was pulled out, the facilitator would shut that thread down. I remember one girl in Vision saying she saw two girls together in bed who were about to graduate. Both of these girls were gay/bi but they were never allowed to really address this. If you had gay experiences prior to CEDU it was seen as something to fix. The new girl was terrorized by the staff for reporting this... I really believe she was telling the truth, but staff did not want to mar their success stories so they bullied the tattletale. (The funny thing is that it really doesn't matter if it were true, the culture was set up to rat on eachother.)
Was CEDU anti-gay or just unwilling to deal? I don't remember any out gay staff when I was there.
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For pete's sake, Hell on Wheels! What is your problem?! I'm not on any jesus trip and I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm talking about simply not using an ugly word. It IS as bad as the "n" word. Why do so many people think it's okay to call someone a faggot, but would never use the "n" word?! I'm only asking that people be civil here. I've never attacked you here and I won't. I just don't see the need to use terms that are harmful to people.
On 2004-07-05 21:07:00, Hell on Wheels wrote:
"Fag, Faggot, Turd Burgler, Homo, Light in the Loafers, Cocksucker, Bitch-Blind.
They forced me to be nice to fags at CEDU. I say what I want when I want, forced us to accept them. Don't judge me, since you seem to be on a jesus trip. The only thing going up my ass is preparation H and a doctors fingers. Iraqi No-fly Zone, Hell on Wheel's No-Fly Zone, both patrolled by F-15E strike eagles"
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What is your big anti-H brigade about? Why do you care what sexuality someone is? If a gay person you are not interested in makes a pass at you, treat it the same way you would a straight person who did not interest you. Ten bucks you don't have these prejudices against lesbian chicks! It probably your favorite fantasy!
In any event, you come off as threatened. Maybe something happened to you. I don't know. But your posts can be abusive.
But go easy on me dude!
---Shanlea
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Former Cedu Counselor,
Very sorry i used the F word. Please accept my apology.
On 2004-07-05 18:21:00, former CEDU therapist wrote:
"Dylan, whether he is gay or not has nothing to do with his being a jerk or molesting his dog. "Fag" is an ugly word - it's as bad as the "n" word. Please don't use it! Thanks!
On 2004-07-05 18:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Matt was my team leader. I was on the Pinnacle Team from 96-98. My name is Dylan Shore. If any of you guys know me, please shoot me a email to dmshore@comcast.net Hell yea Matt was a fag. Seriously that man had no life, no family, nothing."
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damn, y'all...
do you hate me now because i'm into girls?
i'm a "fag"
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SORRY, for having my own opinion. To answer the other questions, I don't hate lesbians, only when they don't include me :grin: but if I were a girl, I suppose I would like girls too. Now being a guy, I always wondered how the fuck two guys could actually get along without beating the shit out of each other. Goes to show that God/Evolution/magical powers/Allah/Messiah (hate to leave any religious groups out) has a funny sense of humor. Fun with DNA.
And we are getting seriously off topic. I don't even know who the hell Matt Russell is...... But I'll bet he's a dickhead. More off topic.... I want to find the biggest , meanest Bull-queer ever made and send him around to CEDU staff/ex-staff houses and hopefully he has AIDS too. I am an equal opportunity hater. Of course I won't call him a fag.... He would be Mister Faggot, Sir :grin: I would march in a homo fucking parade wearing polyester if that happened. :razz:
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he would cry if you'd called him a fag... actually, he'd scream. he's incredibly homophobic.
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I knew Matt Russell. I went to CEDU from 2000-2002, and he came back to the middle school in 2001 or so. He was the biggest asshole I'd ever met... EVERYONE hated him except for a few kids who kissed his ass (some big oaf kid is the only one I remember). I'm not exaggerating, either, he was the most hated man I knew. Anyone else go to Middle School from 00-02?
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Homo Dojo!
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you all are a bunch of fucks, you did not even take the time to let cedu help you if you have to resrot to this, and yes i hated cedu , but i made the best fo it, and oviolsly you didnt, so sucks for you, and who ever whants to know, Matt Russell is my best nmentor, i AM the big Oaf kid, i went to CEDU for sept 00' to august 02', and if you want to be im me in aol or yahoo, go ahead, cuz you allare abunch of flying fucks, my aim is "islandtest16", and yahoo is "ceduguy". :flame:
just GO and FUCK yourselfs ok
ps, if you knew anything, you would know Matt Russell's Wife has recently passed and makeing fun of him just even more fucked of you ass holesTo err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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Arthur- why don't you learn to read and write and spell first. Oh yeah, you went to CEDU highschool. Keep posting. Your brilliant english speaks more about the level of CEDU education then we could write in 1000 words.
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On 2004-10-02 17:08:00, Arthur Schnitzer wrote:
"you all are a bunch of fucks, you did not even take the time to let cedu help you if you have to resrot to this, and yes i hated cedu , but i made the best fo it, and oviolsly you didnt, so sucks for you, and who ever whants to know, Matt Russell is my best nmentor, i AM the big Oaf kid, i went to CEDU for sept 00' to august 02', and if you want to be im me in aol or yahoo, go ahead, cuz you allare abunch of flying fucks, my aim is "islandtest16", and yahoo is "ceduguy". :flame:
just GO and FUCK yourselfs ok
ps, if you knew anything, you would know Matt Russell's Wife has recently passed and makeing fun of him just even more fucked of you ass holesTo err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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how is it fucked up for us to discuss a man who fucked with our lives? do you really think that his wife's death is at all relevent to this discussion? i don't; it's not like we killed her... shit, we hadn't even mentioned her or anything even remotely relevent to her..
hopefully, he can handle death... i mean, if he's really the strong, healthy theist he claims to be, perhaps he should have a view on death that would enable him to move on and forget about his selfish inclinations.
just because you dug him as a mentor doesn't mean we should've... so, grow the fuck up and don't call people random names for disagreeing with you.
thanks.
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-02 20:29 ]
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you wanna know why i cant spell right last message, is because i was so angry i couldn't see strait, you guys think you are all high and mighty because you were able to get out of cedu without anything getting done, but newsflash, you only fucked up your own lives, i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think, but when you talk about my friends that way i have to defend them. Without matt russell, i would not be living at home, going to public school, and having a great life, while the rest of you are out smoking pot and running the risk of being put away, i dont care how smart you think you are, and how much you think you can hide from the police , i have a future because of matt russell, and CEDU as well, do you even have one at all, from anyone that had helped, other than growing up to be a pothead.
p.s. the reason i even mentions his wife so ya'll migth have some remorse for talking about such a good man that way, and the only way i ever learned from was when he was an asshole, so so you all might finally realize he only wanted to help us :flame: :flame: :flame: :evil: :evil: :evil: :mad: What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960
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wow, you spu ignorance... and you're saying we have problems?
like they would say at cedu, focus on yourself... you have no idea who we are or what we did/didn't get from cedu; your bias throws your judgements way off.
when making such judgements, always remember this one thing: what's right for one person isn't necessarily right for everyone.
i'm glad to hear that you think so highly of your position in life; apparently, you got something you needed right from cedu's program. unfortunately, as you can see, this program is not so beneficial for a good amount of other people. do you want to blame it on the people? sure you can... however, most of us didn't choose to be there. you can't expect someone to change just because you're forcing them to go to therapy.. to change, you need a will; that was where cedu steps in...
cedu is supposed to motivate you to change yourself. unfortunately, because the efficiency of their closed-minded practice falls quite a bit short of that of optimal therapy, they weren't too successful in many cases. it's the "therapist"s job to help the "patient"... in a personalized way which is designed to work for the "patient", rather than a standardized method adopted to fix large groups of people at once (as we've experienced, such standardized methods will be effective some, but surely not all...)
another important thing to mention is that we all have a slightly different goal in therapy.. if you and your therapist are working toward oppositional goals, well, what do you think is going to happen?
since we are all so unique, we have to consider where others are coming from on a personal level and then figure out how to get the best results.
our learning processes are one fundamental way that we all differ.. the learning process reflects the way your brain operates on many different levels. some of us don't like to be bombarded by other people's 2nd hand moral theories. some of us cannot take people's words for such theories, so, instead, we live our lives in our own way, learning such lessons "the hard way" (these lessons are tailored specifically for us. metaphysical lessons are internally explained more thoroughly with a relevent physical example as stimulus.)
why don't you tell me this, arthur; what are you doing with your life now? what is your objective? what keeps you alive?
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-10-03 09:52 ]
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Art, it seems you internalized CEDU's philosphy of judging others who aren't programmed with arbitary CEDU values quite well.
Most of the complainants on this board are actually quite successful like Laura, SOS, and Bryan. If someone smokes pot now and again who frickin' cares? I am a full time mother and grad student and I don't do any drugs so don't paint us all with the same paintbrush, bud.
I didn't go to CEDU because I was a bad person. THe program was misrepresented to my parents and the main reasons we all have a beef is because there was no therapy unless you call verbal abuse, emotional coersion, and relentless badgering and bullying "therapeutic". If you don't think the whole insular atmosphere and propheets and raps were the ultimate in mind fucking, that's your biz. Most of us can take direct talk but CEDU's version of being "upfront" was abusive not direct.
I know in my case, and many others, they didn't even get my past straight, inventing drug problems that never existed etc. If you think the whole atmosphere of spying and bullying and picking on eachother to progress through the phases was healthy, then you got problems. THe fact is that for many of us, CEDU did not offer any therapy whatsoever or deal with the real issues. Also, the scholastics were a sham. Most CEDU people I've talked to (even pro-Cedu folks) say they were remarkably unqequipped to deal with the real world after their stint at CEDU. We were too insulated and programmed living in taht bubble.
In addition,the staff crossed several, MAJOR ethical boundaries in addition to failing to individuate the program appropriately. Not to mention that many of them were working out their own issues (drug, eating, sexual) on us and doing it somewhat sadistically.
Do you know the provenance of CEDU? Do you know it's on ISAAC cult watch list?
The people here who have issues with CEDU have legitimate ones and some of us do not want other people going through a totally bogus and harmful program.
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On 2004-10-02 23:47:00, Arthur Schnitzer wrote:
"you wanna know why i cant spell right last message, is because i was so angry i couldn't see strait, you guys think you are all high and mighty because you were able to get out of cedu without anything getting done, but newsflash, you only fucked up your own lives, i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think, but when you talk about my friends that way i have to defend them. Without matt russell, i would not be living at home, going to public school, and having a great life, while the rest of you are out smoking pot and running the risk of being put away, i dont care how smart you think you are, and how much you think you can hide from the police , i have a future because of matt russell, and CEDU as well, do you even have one at all, from anyone that had helped, other than growing up to be a pothead.
p.s. the reason i even mentions his wife so ya'll migth have some remorse for talking about such a good man that way, and the only way i ever learned from was when he was an asshole, so so you all might finally realize he only wanted to help us :flame: :flame: :flame: :evil: :evil: :evil: :mad: What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960
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Hey Arthur (cedu cut off my) Schnitzer!
Well cedu didn't cutt off Mine!
I didn't graduate Cedu, and I'm proud of the fact that I got out early. I smoke pot, I have a great life, and I'm very successful, so you can take your judgements about me and BLOW THEM OUT YOUR ASS!
Your the big kid from 2000-2002, Huh? You sound more to me like a big fucking loser, You Illiterate Fuck! We outta hook you up with OTTAWA 2, I'm sure that both of you retards would have a lot in common!
Arthur, go Suck on a big fat Schnitzer!
Oh, and Fuck Matt Russell too!
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yea i kno him. he quit.
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hey arthur
its max. Whats UP man? how are things goin for you? im good. ill talk to you some time.
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i was a student at CMS, i left in 2001. i don't realy like being mean to people, or talking bad about them, because cedu fucks with your head. you can't really blame people for saying some of the things they said. you admit to things to keep yourself out of the dog house. i am by no means saying that i like cedu, or that i enjoyed it. i'm saying that some crazy stuff happens there and you cant really hold the students responsable for what they do to cope with it. people do strange and crazy things in order to cope with diffucult(sometimes impossible) situations.
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hey, i was at cms till 2001, love to chat, shoot me an email Hippiestile@gmail.com
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Brandi Elliot is no longer with CEDU. She Resighed about 3 months ago
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Is anybody knows how to contact Brandi Elliot. Please sent me mail at wayne.yuen@gmail.com