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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 30, 2004, 08:59:00 PM
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Look, I was in LIFE and then went to Tampa for the spinoff STEP program. I am not saying that all was well. As a matter of fact, it SUCKED !!! There are some people who did benefit from this, I even think I learned a few things. I was beat up, restrained, on first phase longer than than it took me to complete college, but the re-union is just some friends, we all made a few, getting together. It is not put on by Helen Peterman nor any other executive staff member. It is put on by a former client who made alot of friends. Now I am not going to the old building on the tour, seems kind of sick to me, but I am going to the beach to see old friends. See it for what it is. I still have nightmares to this day, 15 yrs later. I wake up in sweats and the whole nine yards, but it isn't like I was innocent at the time either. I do feel allot of wrong was done, but some good came out of it anyway. Now, drop your childish sissie whining, and if you want to go meet some old friends, then go. If you did not have any friends there, then get a life (oops, sorry about that) and move on with yourself.
Good Luck
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You sound like a fucking tool
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What makes you think people haven't moved on? A great many have. Just because one forms an opinion on the experience doesn't mean they necessarily are totalled by the experience.
What suggestions do you have for the people who cannot move on because the abuses were real and traumatic?
Would you say the same thing to a war Vet with PTSD just because a vet you know wasn't affected?
And what do you have to say to the people who were "innocent"? I'm talking about the kids who didn't deserve to be there in the first place (not that even the most hardcore "druggies" deserved the shit that was doled out)?
This is not retarded. What is retarded is pretending that this type of abuse is okay to continue.
Oops... forgot to quote - you know who I'm talking to.
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Actually, I did not post entirely correct. I was trying to reply to the people talking about protesting the reunion. I did not realize my mistake until after the fact. Did not mean to start a whole new post. And I do realize that people did suffer, but lets not compare anybody who went thru LIFE to someone who went to vietnam. Not even close. I also suffer alittle still, hence the nightmares. Like I said, I was trying to reply to the reunion protesters. Also, I am the farthest thing from brainwashed, and do feel for some of these cases, but I also feel it is important to move on with your life if possible, and that is me.
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I'm right w/ ya' as regards moving on on a personal level. I don't care what happened 20 years ago. It's ancient history. What I care about is that these same lunatics are spending billions of our tax dollars annually to force all of us (including people in other countries) to accept their warped dogma on certain, few, unpatentable drugs not marketed by Eli Lilly.
If somebody wants to draw a little media and/or neighbor attention to just how loony these bastards are, more power to them. Maybe, one day in our lifetime, we'll see the day when a crack-pot like Batty Sembler (Helen's bud) would be laughed out of the room instead of given the task of writing public policy w/ a blank check to back it.
This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!
Adolph Hitler
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On 2004-07-01 13:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Actually, I did not post entirely correct. I was trying to reply to the people talking about protesting the reunion. I did not realize my mistake until after the fact. Did not mean to start a whole new post. And I do realize that people did suffer, but lets not compare anybody who went thru LIFE to someone who went to vietnam. Not even close. I also suffer alittle still, hence the nightmares. Like I said, I was trying to reply to the reunion protesters. Also, I am the farthest thing from brainwashed, and do feel for some of these cases, but I also feel it is important to move on with your life if possible, and that is me. "
The Veteran sentence wasn't just about Viet Nam Vets... it was about ALL Vets... and it wasn't a comparison, it was an analogy.
So you were talking to the protesters.... do you not think they share a similar view, and maybe they're interested in getting the word out to end this madness? Don't you wish someone would have stopped it before your nightmares started?
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
Check out Antigen's signature too.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-07-01 15:49 ]
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Is what I do not understand, is who are you going to protest to. Nobody but a bunch of former lifers will be there. People who go about with a normal life now, and have no association with anything. Look at lifereunion.com and go to the members area. You can see that people have jobs with no relation to any of this. I have not heard that Petermann will be there at all. I guess if you want to come and protest, go ahead. I will be the one looking and shaking my head, you are wasting your life preaching to the chior. Even worse than that, you will be preaching to a bunch of people who have moved on and don't give a shit about your hang-ups. Good Luck. See ya at the reunion.
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I am the original poster, and I forgot to add something here. If you are going to protest the LIFE program, then I am going to protest the Roman Empire. Seems logical to me, since neither one exist anymore. I am sorry if the tone seems harsh, but I am going on a picnic to the reunion with my wife and kids, and the last thing I need is some A-Hole running around starting shit because they are to dumb to let it go. Listen real good, LIFE DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. I h ope that is simple enough. Thanks.
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On 2004-07-02 12:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am the original poster, and I forgot to add something here. If you are going to protest the LIFE program, then I am going to protest the Roman Empire. Seems logical to me, since neither one exist anymore. I am sorry if the tone seems harsh, but I am going on a picnic to the reunion with my wife and kids, and the last thing I need is some A-Hole running around starting shit because they are to dumb to let it go. Listen real good, LIFE DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. I h ope that is simple enough. Thanks."
Oh I hear you loud and clear. I certainly hope others are reading this too.
First of all, your logic is flawed - LIFE has sprouted new programs with different names, and the Roman Empire sprouted civilizations that we know today. So read your history, and protest away. If you don't learn from it, you're doomed to repeat it.
And while you're at it - read the Constitution again... you know, the part about the right to peaceful assembly?
I understand this picnic is going to take place near a playground - more power to the people that show up and tell parents of kids playing nearby about LIFE and the "therapeutic communities" that just can't wait to get their hands on these kids the first time the little cherubs talk back.
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From the LIFE Reunion site,
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community ... 188943&ck= (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=21&discussionID=250670914&groupID=188943&ck=)
I often hear about the struggles other parents are going through and wish we still had a program to direct people to. Anyone ever think about starting one?
This is the kind of thing that really worries me.
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SARA = Lisa M.?!
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=32&0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5924&forum=32&0)
Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following
pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them
general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong,
gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises
at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the
tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.
Thomas Paine, Common Sense
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This reminds me of that play by Mark Twain. I forget the name of the play or if itcwas ever written by hin but it was about people talking about a conspirisy in hell. :idea:
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You really need to read your constitution. Here is the passage "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances". In case you did not notice, we are not the government, as a matter of fact, we are a group of friends getting together for a picnic. And the defunct, no-existent establishment, LIFE, that you are protesting is not a government either. Spend more of your time learning, rather that complaining, and you will be happier and wiser.
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The constitution reads as this "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances". Notice the peacefull assembly against the government. This does not give you the right to ruin my weekend you A-Hole. You should spend more time listening and learning, rather than running your mouth about a bunch crap you do not know about. My advice to help you, is to go get a nice glass of wine, try to find yourself a lover, and chill out. Don't come to this web site anymore, you are ruining your life with this obsession. It is time to move on. You have got to be in your 40's and what do you have to show for it. Several thousand or so post on a website with allot of other people who do not know how to move. Grow up and stop trying to outsmart me, you will not beat me in intellect. Trying to do something that always lead to failure is not good for a healthy lifestyle. Try to do something that is better for. Hey, I have to go, but good luck to you all.
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You really need to read your constitution. Here is the passage "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances". In case you did not notice, we are not the government, as a matter of fact, we are a group of friends getting together for a picnic. And the defunct, no-existent establishment, LIFE, that you are protesting is not a government either. Spend more of your time learning, rather that complaining, and you will be happier and wiser. Thanks
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Whoops, I posted three times. Great on me. Hey, have a good one, i am out of here. Thanks.
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hey - let 'em protest ... while everyone at the Reunion is eating, laughing, getting sun and playing with thier kids in the sand (normal beach activities), THEY'LL be the ones looking like FOOLS standing around holding signs in the summer heat! LOL Signs can read "No more picnics! No more Reunions! We have nothing better to do with our lives on a Saturday afternoon!" LOL
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Anon Coward wrote:
You should spend more time listening and learning, rather than running your mouth about a bunch crap you do not know about.
Speak for yourself.
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On 2004-07-03 07:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"... My advice to help you, is to go get a nice glass of wine, try to find yourself a lover, and chill out. Don't come to this web site anymore, you are ruining your life with this obsession. It is time to move on. You have got to be in your 40's and what do you have to show for it.
A better command of the English language, for starters, the wherewithall not to make assumptions about other people's lives, and the self control to not tell people what to do. The rest is really none of your business.
...Grow up and stop trying to outsmart me, you will not beat me in intellect. Trying to do something that always lead to failure is not good for a healthy lifestyle. Try to do something that is better for. Hey, I have to go, but good luck to you all."
There you go -- assuming again.
Sara has left the building. :wave:
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I was in L.I.F.E. and Im in Viet Nam today.The L.I.F.E. program was horrendous!!!Dont try to compare it with your "Viet Nam".I would have rather served in the Viet Nam war than have been to Helen Petermann's L.I.F.E.Program for one minute
Some people would hate to be buttfucked by a 500 pound nigger,but Sara would quite enjoy it, I suppose,because Sara speaks for all of us who were in the L.I.F.E. program.If Sara says that L.I.F.E. was "good",then I suppose every one of us should agree.
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L.I.F.E started out not being such a bad program. Even the politics of it I believed to be benificial. I just hated being with a bunch of kids that didn't even want to be there. Besides that, most of patients were just doing time themselves. I vounteered to be there and don't regret a single experience there except for my nerves.They were shot. :nworthy:
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On 2004-07-19 06:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was in L.I.F.E. and Im in Viet Nam today.The L.I.F.E. program was horrendous!!!Dont try to compare it with your "Viet Nam".I would have rather served in the Viet Nam war than have been to Helen Petermann's L.I.F.E.Program for one minute
Some people would hate to be buttfucked by a 500 pound nigger,but Sara would quite enjoy it, I suppose,because Sara speaks for all of us who were in the L.I.F.E. program.If Sara says that L.I.F.E. was "good",then I suppose every one of us should agree."
Wow, thats too bad anon, I'm sorry to hear that you were butt raped by a 500 pound man. You racist fuck.
-the silent ninja-
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On 2004-07-19 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"L.I.F.E started out not being such a bad program. Even the politics of it I believed to be benificial. I just hated being with a bunch of kids that didn't even want to be there. Besides that, most of patients were just doing time themselves. I vounteered to be there and don't regret a single experience there except for my nerves.They were shot. ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll::
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On 2004-07-19 06:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was in L.I.F.E. and Im in Viet Nam today.The L.I.F.E. program was horrendous!!!Dont try to compare it with your "Viet Nam".I would have rather served in the Viet Nam war than have been to Helen Petermann's L.I.F.E.Program for one minute
Some people would hate to be buttfucked by a 500 pound nigger,but Sara would quite enjoy it, I suppose,because Sara speaks for all of us who were in the L.I.F.E. program.If Sara says that L.I.F.E. was "good",then I suppose every one of us should agree."
apologies all around. quoted wrong post.
::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll::
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On 2004-07-19 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"L.I.F.E started out not being such a bad program. Even the politics of it I believed to be benificial. I just hated being with a bunch of kids that didn't even want to be there. Besides that, most of patients were just doing time themselves. I vounteered to be there and don't regret a single experience there except for my nerves.They were shot. :nworthy: "
PATIIENT.....in Life or Straight, to call the kids in their patients is a total fucking joke, when was anybody in these programs ever seen by a real shrink????????? Never get over yourselfs PALEEEEEZ
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On 2004-07-20 12:17:00, thepatriot wrote:
"PATIIENT.....in Life or Straight, to call the kids in their patients is a total fucking joke, when was anybody in these programs ever seen by a real shrink????????? Never get over yourselfs PALEEEEEZ
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On the contrary - many were seen by a shrink. The term "Patients" is incorrect - "Guinea Pigs" is probably more accurate.
http://gregdeclue.myakkatech.com/Reprin ... tions.html (http://gregdeclue.myakkatech.com/Reprints%20of%20Publications.html)
Check out the papers on "Confessions"
Then check out the resume:
http://gregdeclue.myakkatech.com/ (http://gregdeclue.myakkatech.com/)[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-07-21 15:29 ]
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On 2004-07-21 15:25:00, Sara-1984 wrote:
On the contrary - many were seen by a shrink. The term "Patients" is incorrect - "Guinea Pigs" is probably more accurate.
http://gregdeclue.myakkatech.com/Guest% ... -27-04.pdf (http://gregdeclue.myakkatech.com/Guest%20Column%203-27-04.pdf)
Looks like he's coming down on the right side of the issue. Who is this guy?
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From http://home.earthlink.net/~rkmck/vault/ ... e04ab.html (http://home.earthlink.net/~rkmck/vault/declue04/declue04ab.html)
While consideration of this information may be unnecessary for determinations of voluntariness of confessions which have been extracted with obvious methods such as physical torture, consideration of this research is necessary when it is argued that a retracted confession was extracted via psychological coercion.
Well, I geuss Gregory DeClue, Ph.D. should know better than anyone. He does have first hand experience using torture and coercion to extract confessions.
Jeez, can you believe this guy actually puts LIFE on his resume? And he advises the cops on how to avoid extracting false confessions from people. Dr. DeClue, you are a hypocrite.
I wonder how many court cases Greg DeClue has been an "expert witness" for.
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I was in L.I.F.E. AT THE VERY CONCEPTION.L.I.F.E. was started with Ex-Straights,and the first person recruited from the "street" was ME!
If you think I am a racist for using the word "nigger",then what do you call the LIFE Program when there were NO niggers in it.I remember ONE "black" (very very very light brown)girl.
SARA is just another nazi troll who is a tool of the directors today.What a fucking idiot,any person who would say "LIFE started out to be not such a bad program".The WAY it was started,FOR PROFIT,by Sarasota building contractors and asphalt,concrete and construction company FAMILY MEMBERS.The people who BUILT the facility had their own kids in there!
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I'm confused about a couple of apparent contradictions in LaClue's writings. Looks like he worked for LIFE just about the time Straight, Sarasota was falling apart. And he came to them via Manatee County public sector work. Ok, so was he a hopeful reformer? Or true believer? Now he's advocating for a Florida law that would mandate taping of WHOLE police interrogations, in order for juries to be able to find out what went on BEFORE a suspect confessed to a crime. That seems like a good idea to me. Even seems like something I'd take particular interest in based on all I learned about false confessions from Straight and The Seed.
Let's ask the dude what he thinks about all this? Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism--how passionately I hate them!
--Albert Einstein
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Greg DeClue was executive staff at LIFE when I was there in '87. I ran into him a few years later in Sarasota and he told me he left the Program due to a disagreement of some sort.
I saw him another time in Sarasota and he had hair down to his ass.
I emailed him and told him we were talking about him. Maybe he'll reply. I wouldn't count on it though.
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On 2004-07-22 13:57:00, TimeBomb wrote:
"Greg DeClue was executive staff at LIFE when I was there in '87. I ran into him a few years later in Sarasota and he told me he left the Program due to a disagreement of some sort.
I saw him another time in Sarasota and he had hair down to his ass.
I emailed him and told him we were talking about him. Maybe he'll reply. I wouldn't count on it though."
Ummm... "hair to his ass", huh?! I've seen him around town a couple times the in the last several MONTHS and it was neck length.
Your exaggeration doesn't really help your credibilty in your other claims.
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Anon Coward wrote:
Ummm... "hair to his ass", huh?! I've seen him around town a couple times the in the last several MONTHS and it was neck length.
Your exaggeration doesn't really help your credibilty in your other claims.
Gregory DeClue, Ph.D.
2650 Bahia Vista, Suite 307
Sarasota, FL 34239
941-951-6674
You could call or stop by and ask him yourself. Oh, and thanks for the lesson on credibility.
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Ginger, according to his resume, he worked there for 5 years. That seems like a long time for someone who was trying to reform them. Maybe he could add "good intentions" to his list of qualifications. :smile:
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St Pete Straight was falling apart.
Sarasota Straight was falling apart,then some people from there started LIFE in an old bar,across the street from the LIFE BUILDING (aka "House Of Lords,Osprey Florida).
Sarasota LIFE & Straight were operating at the same time (with Ex Straights,now LIFErs,saying that Straight was much more violent than LIFE).Sarasota Straight fell apart.Sarasota LIFE continued to operate.
Today you should:
A)Get the address of the Life Osprey (aka House Of Lords),
B)Go tto the Sarasota Sheriffs Office and ask for a print out of ALL the times the SHERIFF was telephoned to that address from 1981 to 1989 (HUNDREDS!!!),
C)Go to the Sarasota Clerk Of Cort Office and brows the microfilms for L.I.F.E.,Sarasota LIFE,and (I dont remember the name but there is another "group" associated with the LIFE name,you will find it on the microfilms when you locate the LIFE microfilms),
You will see dozens of times that LIFE sued parents for "non payment",or LIFE was sued for such and such.There is a clear path to follow once you find the first microfilm,or read the hundreds of times the SHERIFF was called to the building.
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Now this is interesting! I don't remember ever seeing a cop at Straight, except to deliver a new inmate or escapee. You mean they'd actually go to the LIFE building in response to a complaint?
Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
Orange Country, California
Los Angeles Times
29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray
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A)Get the address of the Life Osprey (aka House Of Lords),
B)Go tto the Sarasota Sheriffs Office and ask for a print out of ALL the times the SHERIFF was telephoned to that address from 1981 to 1989 (HUNDREDS!!!),
C)Go to the Sarasota Clerk Of Cort Office and brows the microfilms for L.I.F.E.,Sarasota LIFE,and (I dont remember the name but there is another "group" associated with the LIFE name,you will find it on the microfilms when you locate the LIFE microfilms),
You will see dozens of times that LIFE sued parents for "non payment",or LIFE was sued for such and such.There is a clear path to follow once you find the first microfilm,or read the hundreds of times the SHERIFF was called to the building."
A) Those who were there probably do not forget 803 S. Tamiami Trail, OSPREY, FL. (Regards to the coward who pointed an earlier error out to me -- may your brown paper bag stay forever dry on your head. http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=D#55681 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5900&forum=13&Sort=D#55681) )
B) What Ginger said... I won't waste my time either.
C) Point your browser to http://www.sarasotaclerk.com (http://www.sarasotaclerk.com) and go to "Online Services", and from there, choose "Official Records". Under "Party Name", type in "Life is for Everyone" (forget the acronym - it won't work)
The other group associated is Southwest Florida Drug Rehabilitation and Counseling Program, Inc. which changed it's name to what we know as "LIFE" on July 13, 1981.
LIFE had a complaint by the Blosser family dismissed in 1991. The Blosser family never amended (which sucks, IMHO).
This is pretty much everything that happened since 1990 -- which is little.
Perhaps you can enlighten us to what we would find from the incorporation date in 1981 to December 1989 that would be of great importance?[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-07-23 22:34 ]
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A) Those who were there probably do not forget 803 N. Osprey Avenue.
B) What Ginger said... I won't waste my time either.
C) Point your browser to http://www.sarasotaclerk.com (http://www.sarasotaclerk.com) and go to "Online Services", and from there, choose "Official Records". Under "Party Name", type in "Life is for Everyone" (forget the acronym - it won't work)
The other group associated is Southwest Florida Drug Rehabilitation and Counseling Program, Inc. which changed it's name to what we know as "LIFE" on July 13, 1981.
LIFE had a complaint by the Blosser family dismissed in 1991. The Blosser family never amended (which sucks, IMHO).
This is pretty much everything that happened since 1990 -- which is little.
Perhaps you can enlighten us to what we would find from the incorporation date in 1981 to December 1989 that would be of great importance?"
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lol ---- you convice me more and more, with each post you make, of what an airhead you are SARA (aka Lisa) ... LIFE was not located on N. Osprey Ave. It was US 41 IN Osprey, FL. :lol:
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lol ---- you convice me more and more, with each post you make, of what an airhead you are SARA (aka Lisa) ... LIFE was not located on N. Osprey Ave. It was US 41 IN Osprey, FL. :lol: "
Well, you're obviously as confused as I used to be.
Having been in Sarasota only months before I was abducted from my legal guardian and taken to the building - I am sure everyone but you can see the difference between the blurring of the city lines in the eyes of a child, and a true airhead.
I do appreciate your input, however, and the correction has been made: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#55677 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5900&forum=13&start=30#55677)
Guess that was it for your "important" agenda?
Regards,
SARA
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"...I emailed him and told him we were talking about him. Maybe he'll reply. I wouldn't count on it though."
Paging Dr. De Clue
Paging Dr. Gregory DeClue
Dr. DeClue, please answer your email.
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SHERIFF'S OFFICE SARASOTA
I went there to the dispatch center and asked them to print out EVERY call to the L.I.F.E. Program.They reluctantly gave me the print out.There were hundreds of times they were called,usually to return an escapee.These "escapees" had their civil rights violated by the Sheriff when they were returned to L.I.F.E.Also some people were forced to stay at L.I.F.E.,against their will,even after "Court Order For Involuntary Placement" had expired,usually after 30 days.These people had a right to go before the court after 30 days.The order EXPIRED after 30 days.If the victim was not taken to the Judge for FURTHER involuntary placement,then they had a right to leave.When L.I.F.E. kept people after 30 days it was illegal.The Sheriff should not have returned the "escapees" unless they were UNDER court order.The court order lasted NO MORE than 30 days,then it expired.Police,HRS,Teachers,Sarasota School Board,etc.,etc.,all are guilty(and they are still hiding it TODAY,just telephone the Sarasota School Board and start asking questions about L.I.F.E.,they will know what you are talking about and they will give you the telephone number of a local Building Contractor,call him and chat a bit about L.I.F.E.,if you are lucky he will even give you Helen Petermann's current telephone number!).
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ok - think I'll call the school board and sheriff's office to inquire right after I contact Dallas clerk of courts about the Kennedy conspiracy and Scotland yard about the Loch Ness Monster.
Who cares??????? My GOD - it's WEIRD that you are so wrapped up in this stuff how many years later?
get a life ... move along ... grow up :cry2:
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Greg, I know for a fact I was never a court ordered to LIFE. I never even signed the intake papers.
And to the other anonymouse:
Maybe you're right. Maybe we should just forget the past and allow the criminals to continue to go free so they can abuse even more people. And who cares about the past, right? It's not as if this sort of thing is still going on today. Wrong! You need to read a little more and quit talking so much.
Of course you probably already know this. So, what is it that you stand to lose from the crimes of the past being brought to light?