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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 29, 2004, 12:26:00 AM
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Roy S. here...
I dreamt every single day when I was in Springfield (March - November '85, moved to Boston till Jan '86) of the day someone would walk in there and announce, "You're all going home, they're shutting us down, it's been real."
CHAOS!! oh, the joyous chaos that would ensue! I would have wept, screamed for joy, said good bye to some of the people...
Or did they wait until everyone was in their host homes and quietly distribute them from there back to their parents?
What happened? Was anyone there on THE DAY when they shut down Straight?
artsydad@yah00
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dig around on this site, its all here from what they tell me.
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I can tell you how it ended in my dream. In a huge revolt that culminates in the Gandy bldg. going up in a blaze. We slow roast Miller and Ruth Ann while dancing naked around the fire toasting each other with Dom and smoking some big ole Bob Marleys. :smokin: :grin: :grin:
The only voluntary urine sample they'll get from me is a taste test
--Bumper Sticker
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No its not here...I have yet to talk to anyone that knows strangely enough..
I have asked that question many times.
I heard at the Dallas one that all of the kids kind of walked off
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From what I remember the closings and moves occured quick to us. We would be given a day or two notice that we were in need of bringing our things to the bldg. Which usaly consisted of a paper bag containing a tooth brush comb deoderant and a change of clothing and OH YEAH! our MI's. When Atlanta opened only the oldcomers and staff moved up to be in the bldg for newcomers. When Straight Orlando closed they didn't even move, it was simple. That very day the staff arrived and announced the name changed to SAFE that was it. I believe it was the same for Pathways. LIFER'S were taken from Sarasota and oved into the Osprey bldg. Pretty fucked-up HUH
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Nah some of them closed all the way down...
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You are right some bldgs just closed down but most of them just moved the kids from one place to another until they could find a bigger building.
Some of the bldgs closed but STRAIGHT NEVER DID. The methods and practrices are still in existance today
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Yep...But most of the Dallas kids actually got up and walked out..
The whole group was misbehaving at this point..and I think a window was broken and they all just left..
Theres one person that knows his story firsthand perhaps she will pop up and post it for you, I forget the details...
(Im well aware straights still in operation under serveral names)
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"...We would be given a day or two notice that we were in need of bringing our things to the bldg. When Atlanta opened only the oldcomers and staff moved up to be in the bldg for newcomers. When Straight Orlando closed they didn't even move, it was simple. That very day the staff arrived and announced the name changed to SAFE that was it. I believe it was the same for Pathways. "
Interesting. I was in STRAIGHT Atlanta when it shut down. We relocated to a new building and were called Phoenix Institute for Adolescents. We did not have to bring anything out of the ordinary to the building, no clients were withdrawn, and ALL clients were moved. Within days we were joined by several clients from the Tampa(?) location. I could be mistaken about the city, but I know they were from a STRAIGHT program in Florida. Why would STRAIGHT move them to Atlanta if the SAFE program was in Florida? Please if you know the answer enlighten me. We received no clients from any other programs at the shutdown, though there was a client that had been in Dallas STRAIGHT and one that had been in Michigan STRAIGHT (may not have been Michigan, but was some NE state).
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Oh yeah, and the Tampa clients were both new and oldcomers. I want to say they flew? I could be mistaken about this...
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Guess they didnt wanna let their cash crop go..(kids)
"Im sorryparent so and so, the state is closing us down for abusing your kids..but without our abuse they will DIE, omg!! So just let us move them into our newly named program so we can keep abusing them for cash"
What sick fucks left their kids in the program after it was shutdown for abuse??!!!
If you guys parents did that you need to drive out and visit them and slap them in the fucking face..
Then find a nursing home thats full of abuse allegations and check those fuckers in, one way baby, eat a dick mom and dad!!
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My parents for one did not know the program was being shut down because of abuse. The line spun to them was that higher-ups had embezzled money and double-charged medicare. Kathleen Cone acted bitter and hateful toward STRAIGHT Inc head office and gave the impression that she was glad to be free of them.
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whos Katherine Cone? Yes all of the straight heriarchy were horribly manipulative pain in the asses.
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Kathleen Cone was the Administrator of Atlanta STRAIGHT.
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On 2004-06-30 15:26:00, Scarstruck wrote:
"Yep...But most of the Dallas kids actually got up and walked out..
The whole group was misbehaving at this point..and I think a window was broken and they all just left..
Theres one person that knows his story firsthand perhaps she will pop up and post it for you, I forget the details...
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Hey Brad! Yeah, I did decide to pop in....
Heard a story about Dallas Straight when they closed the Las Colinas building....
Story was that everyone got up and just walked. And there was this misbehavior girl who walked too, and then as everyone was walking down the street, it occurred to her that she was conforming with everyone else. So she turned around and walked back to group and sat up in a blue chair and waited for staff to walk in. When staff finally did come through she started motivating. Since she was the only one who was working the program, they commenced her in a small ceremony with her parents. Thus she was the last person who commenced Dallas Straight.
I heard this story in 1992 and may have some of it wrong...
It does occur to me as well something about them breaking a window to all walk out. Maybe was a riot type situation, I don't know. There is an ex-staffer who was there at the time named Wes Kitchens. Don't know where he is now, but he knows the story well.
I was working at a rehab in Carrolton called FirStep. Wes was a staffer there and so was Heath Duncan. The girl that was the last one to commence came to FirStep one day and assisted in one of my girls' raps that I was doing. That's how I found out about it all.[ This Message was edited by: taureana on 2004-07-08 09:45 ]
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Story was that everyone got up and just walked. And there was this misbehavior girl who walked too, and then as everyone was walking down the street, it occurred to her that she was conforming with everyone else. So she turned around and walked back to group and sat up in a blue chair and waited for staff to walk in. When staff finally did come through she started motivating. Since she was the only one who was working the program, they commenced her in a small ceremony with her parents. Thus she was the last person who commenced Dallas Straight.
Oh, the irony... :lol:
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They were flown from the SARASOTA air port to clearwater st pete where more were picked up. The plane was provided by a father and the fuel was given by Mobil. The ISAC sight has the interview with the Wife of the Father that helped move the kids Illeagly out of state.
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Moved not closed is correct. Richard bradbury has the documents and videos. I have seen them. Straight chartered an airline flight and flew the kids to Tampa and Orlando as the State of Texas had revoked their license.
Bradbury ending up renuited three of the kids who had come from both Califorinia and Washington state originially.
While he and the people from Community Improvement were picket on December 06, 1991 at 5 pm the kids ran away from the Straight in St Pete.
Bradbury and the Community Improvement people set up safe houses for months and took the kids to see attorney Barry Cohen in Tampa.
IT was all over TV for months. They really wanted Bradbury ass after that. That's when Joy Margolis went on TV in January 1992 and slandered Bradbury and Bradbury sued them.
Much more to the story that's just a summary of events.
PS A big thanks to Janet Kennedy,who is Doctor of Pharmacy who was PLAYED a very important role in getting Straight's license revoked out in Texas in conjuction with the Community Improvement organization.
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On 2004-07-08 13:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Moved not closed is correct. Richard bradbury has the documents and videos. I have seen them. Straight chartered an airline flight and flew the kids to Tampa and Orlando as the State of Texas had revoked their license.
Bradbury ending up renuited three of the kids who had come from both Califorinia and Washington state originially.
While he and the people from Community Improvement were picket on December 06, 1991 at 5 pm the kids ran away from the Straight in St Pete.
Bradbury and the Community Improvement people set up safe houses for months and took the kids to see attorney Barry Cohen in Tampa.
IT was all over TV for months. They really wanted Bradbury ass after that. That's when Joy Margolis went on TV in January 1992 and slandered Bradbury and Bradbury sued them.
Much more to the story that's just a summary of events.
PS A big thanks to Janet Kennedy,who is Doctor of Pharmacy who was PLAYED a very important role in getting Straight's license revoked out in Texas in conjuction with the Community Improvement organization.
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More details anyone?
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On 2004-07-08 09:24:00, taureana wrote:
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On 2004-06-30 15:26:00, Scarstruck wrote:
"Yep...But most of the Dallas kids actually got up and walked out..
The whole group was misbehaving at this point..and I think a window was broken and they all just left..
Theres one person that knows his story firsthand perhaps she will pop up and post it for you, I forget the details...
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Hey Brad! Yeah, I did decide to pop in....
Heard a story about Dallas Straight when they closed the Las Colinas building....
Story was that everyone got up and just walked. And there was this misbehavior girl who walked too, and then as everyone was walking down the street, it occurred to her that she was conforming with everyone else. So she turned around and walked back to group and sat up in a blue chair and waited for staff to walk in. When staff finally did come through she started motivating. Since she was the only one who was working the program, they commenced her in a small ceremony with her parents. Thus she was the last person who commenced Dallas Straight.
I heard this story in 1992 and may have some of it wrong...
It does occur to me as well something about them breaking a window to all walk out. Maybe was a riot type situation, I don't know. There is an ex-staffer who was there at the time named Wes Kitchens. Don't know where he is now, but he knows the story well.
I was working at a rehab in Carrolton called FirStep. Wes was a staffer there and so was Heath Duncan. The girl that was the last one to commence came to FirStep one day and assisted in one of my girls' raps that I was doing. That's how I found out about it all.[ This Message was edited by: taureana on 2004-07-08 09:45 ]"
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I would suggest calling Bradbury and asking him.
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Hey Ginger, were you there when sarasota closed? or did you split befor that?
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If these places truly are still in existence, Michael Moore needs to learn about "Embassador" Mel Sembler and his child abuse legacy. I hope to have the means some day to personally be involved in exposing these places to major media. Why the hell haven't these places been completely shut down? What are these parents not getting? How gullible can they be? or maybe they truly don't give a damn and have money to throw away, and don't really care what kind of horrors these kids have to deal with.
The best thing that ever happened to me in "straight" was getting the Chicken Pox. It itched and I puked every day and it was physically miserable, but... Aaahh... I got to be out of "group" for a whole ten days. We played Dungeons and Dragons (me and the others quarrantined to a house with pox).
Tracy Anderson... Scott Bowers (I think)... and some others I don't remember.
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On 2004-07-09 10:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If these places truly are still in existence, Michael Moore needs to learn about "Embassador" Mel Sembler and his child abuse legacy. I hope to have the means some day to personally be involved in exposing these places to major media. Why the hell haven't these places been completely shut down? What are these parents not getting? How gullible can they be? or maybe they truly don't give a damn and have money to throw away, and don't really care what kind of horrors these kids have to deal with.
The best thing that ever happened to me in "straight" was getting the Chicken Pox. It itched and I puked every day and it was physically miserable, but... Aaahh... I got to be out of "group" for a whole ten days. We played Dungeons and Dragons (me and the others quarrantined to a house with pox).
Tracy Anderson... Scott Bowers (I think)... and some others I don't remember."
I remember when Heather H...and then other girls broke out with chicken pox and they didnt even let them stay home they backed the chicken pox girls to back of group like 20 feet away and they had their own row... I think they still had to sit up as well..
How fucked up is that ? Oh and D and D was druggie pseudo satanic to Dallas straight..Im surprised you got away with D and D...lol
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I can't see what the big fucking deal is?!
No repentance, no respect, blown up eyes, blown up skies!
The pull of the Dragon,the pull of the drug[ This Message was edited by: Scarstruck on 2004-07-09 20:22 ]
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Yes, I was surprised we got away with playing D&D. There was one kid who was into it, he was the most "senior" prisoner, so we all played. If I remember correctly, though, we had to stop a couple days before I left there because someone HAD raised a "concern" that there was something evil about this board/imagination game.
Ughhhh....
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On 2004-07-09 09:06:00, thepatriot wrote:
"Hey Ginger, were you there when sarasota closed? or did you split befor that?
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Just found this post. I was "off the planet" during the second week of July this year. Sorry.
No, I wasn't there. I split in October of `82. That was near the begining of the HRS investigation. Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die
-- Malachy McCourt
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I heard bits and pieces about Dallas closing. I DO know that all the kids whose parents could afford to do so were shipped off to Atlanta and Orlando a'la L.A. Program style. The two I knew of specifically, graduated from each program respectively. A far as I know they commenced all of the current fifth phasers, one was named Rachel Barnes who had been on 1st since the day I came in, she apparently started working not too long after I ran and had made 5th almost immediately before the shut down. One girl I still talk to who was actually there said that yes, many of the kids just walked out the front door (no broken window). If I recall there were no windows anywhere in that building except for the ones around the front door. It would be my guess the ones walking were out-of-towners. Local kids most likely just stayed home.
I remember shady details of one of my friends who was on staff, going to the building and making off with alot of office equipment and so forth...apparently everything was locked up and shut down....including all our records and so forth. Dont know if they broke in, I think they were trying to liquidate whatever was in that building before it fell into the wrong (right) hands.
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Call Richard Bradbury he has all the details. For one the state revoked their license for child abuse
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On 2004-08-03 07:43:00, Carmel wrote:
" A far as I know they commenced all of the current fifth phasers, one was named Rachel Barnes who had been on 1st since the day I came in, she apparently started working not too long after I ran and had made 5th almost immediately before the shut down. "
Did Rachel Barnes have long curly hair, kinda auburn color? The name sounds so familiar.
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I remember shady details of one of my friends who was on staff, going to the building and making off with alot of office equipment and so forth...apparently everything was locked up and shut down....including all our records and so forth. Dont know if they broke in, I think they were trying to liquidate whatever was in that building before it fell into the wrong (right) hands."
When I worked at FirStep in Carrolton, there were a lot of our records there. I searched for mine, but couldn't find anything. There were micro-casette tapes from intakes, etc. The one that I remember the most was Jen Loar's. I didn't have a micro-cassette player, otherwise I probably would have swiped it. At the time I was only 20, had only been out of Straight for 2 years and had no idea of the magnitude of what was before me. I don't think I really gave a damn then either.
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On 2004-08-03 08:23:00, taureana wrote:
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I remember shady details of one of my friends who was on staff, going to the building and making off with alot of office equipment and so forth...apparently everything was locked up and shut down....including all our records and so forth. Dont know if they broke in, I think they were trying to liquidate whatever was in that building before it fell into the wrong (right) hands."
When I worked at FirStep in Carrolton, there were a lot of our records there. I searched for mine, but couldn't find anything. There were micro-casette tapes from intakes, etc. The one that I remember the most was Jen Loar's. I didn't have a micro-cassette player, otherwise I probably would have swiped it. At the time I was only 20, had only been out of Straight for 2 years and had no idea of the magnitude of what was before me. I don't think I really gave a damn then either."
Straight was open...for another 3 or four years after I was pulled. At first I tried to integrate back into public school (only now I was like 2 years behind everyone I grew up with) and of course everyone knew me as that rehab kid.. I was shellshocked and could hardly talk to people..
Was very strange time for me...My life went into a tailspin that began shortly after straight...I didnt realize it at the time but I think I was trying to kill the pain of hating myself that straight taught me.
I didnt realize that ..straight was what it was until about 9 months ago..
I knew it was abuse but ..until these sites came around ....I didnt get the full impact of what had happened.
I think if I had been 17 or so straighjt wouldnt have impacted me as bad as it did.. But as a barely turned 13 year old...I was way too young for that.
Cannot believe they admitted me at that age for depression..I wasnt on drugs and was a virgin.
Thanks straight...guess you needed the 60 grand huh? at the expense of my sanity?
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~RUIN~
The knowledge that seeking the favor of another
Means the murder of self.
This is the resolution
The end of all progress
The death of evolution
It bleeds all life away.
Silence speeds the path to the streams of solace that run so few and narrow.
Brooks that babble the sounds of torture.
You will one day ride
To flood the banks of the chosen.
This is the art of ruin.
This is the resolution
The end of all progress
The death of evolution
It bleeds all life away.
I will show you all that I have mastered
Fear. Pain. Hatred. Power.
This is the art of ruin.
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I heard it was Giant Iguanas.
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Ask Bradbury he has the details
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I dont know him
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On 2004-08-03 17:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I heard it was Giant Iguanas."
Eat shit
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How did Bradbury actually close a Straight? Does this really hold water? I have serious doubts.
I single handedly closed a Straight Incorporated myself. Riiiiiiight. All by myself. I did it.
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Bravo Anon..Bravo..good god did you think of that all by yoursel? gee whiz your a regular fucking Einstien
On 2004-08-03 17:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I heard it was Giant Iguanas."
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Is there anyone from Atlanta? I was there from 89-91?
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yah somewhere round here theres some ...at least a couple from every straight.
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Bradbury will be shot.
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Ha.
Haha.
Hahaha.
Very funny, "other anon."
You obviously weren't imprisoned in any of these hellholes, so you can say Bradbury will be shot. I think he should be given the congressional medal of honor. I just wish I'd had the balls to do what he's doing. For so long, I wondered every day... When will somebody expose this place for what it really is?
~Springfield VA 1985-86
~Stoughton MA early 1986
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Yes, I was from the Atlanta Straight from 1988 to 1990. Jennifer
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Welcome aboard Jennifer. I read your other post where you put your last name. I remember your name, I think you where my oldcomer at some point. But then again we had more than 1 Jennifer. Anyway for what it's worth welcome.
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A good bit of history here.
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straight never really ended...for it lives on in the tortured minds
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Who is KATHY DAVID?
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Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster -- Friedrich Nietzsche