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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: mikehunt on June 08, 2004, 01:50:00 AM
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did any of you know him??
talk about an immoral hypocrite...
my friend adam told me that he started spuing about how his whole cedu career was bullshit. wow, at least this pedapheliac fuck can admit to being a sadistic bastard.
gross... i hated how he used to rub on the boys all the time. being alone with him made me feel so uncomfortable (luckily, i don't have a dick, or else i might've been in serious trouble.)[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-06-08 02:59 ]
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wow, that was rather profane...
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Martin was a bit fruity. But I did prefer is less intense raps.
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he was my team leader, he made me soooo uncomfortable. even in his raps.. beyond his trenquility, there was just something there that drove me nuts. something about the way he spoke, the language he used, his body language. he definitely rubbed me the wrong way, i could not trust him one bit.
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Imagine he had a masters degree in American Foriegn Policy. Disgusting.
The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
O'Brien, the apparatchik
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He was my team leader also..
im trying to remember when exactly i was there at RS cedu :razz:
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Martin was living on campus in the early 90's.
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where, in the boys dorms?
::puke::
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No, Martin had his own apartment in the "Emerson" Building, if memory serves me correct.
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I was at Cedu RS from 97-99 he was my team leader for the last yaer. I do agree he had some major problems. I saw that he was teaching at some type of religious school in the mid-west.
What about Russ Decker and the Purple Haze?
The Mountain is about to be shut down. If anyone from CEDU California is on here whatch 20/20 on abc next week. For all that have suffered by the hands of CEDU we did this for you.
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What time, what day??? What happened????
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when's 20/20 on?
is this about martin???
what's this russ decker shit about?
i'm so damn lost... but what else is new?
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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2005-01-05 22:40 ]
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Martin was so obviously gay.
The way he used to rub me was sooo wrong. Straight up illegal fondling of a 15 year old boy.
It creeps me out so much to think about it.
Did you see those pics Johnny Propheet posted?
Martin in between the legs of students....
He must have been like a pig in shit.
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I think what really pissed me off was when he was running a full time of someone in our peer group. The guy had serious gay issues going on and incest cop outs. Martin made some concoction of salty water with some other shit in it to simulate cum and made him drink it and think about those horrible blowjobs he gave.
Talk about all levels of fucked up. Also, coming from a man who was so in the closet yet obvious himself. Was he getting off on it or just full of self-hate and projecting it on to my friend?
I didn't know how to handle that and to who and if I should report it, but I did tell him to not do that again if Martin asked him to.
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This is a great example of why that place is emotionally destructive and how it allows power tripping bullies (staff) to run amok. Unfortunately, those humiliation tactics--emotional rape--was endemic and not limited to a few freak staff memebers.
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did martin live in idaho, ever?
did he graduate the program as a student?
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No, I don't think Martin was a former student. He was probably in his late 30's to early 40's then in the late 80's. He never said he was and didn't give off that vibe. I think he was one of the few that actually had some kind of academic credibility. Maybe a Masters. He was originally from Kansas or Missouri, I remember.
Makes me sick that I actually liked him when I was there and connected with him on current events and history and shit like that. Then again, I didn't like to smush with him when he asked either.
Of course, the full time cum gargle thing was a big turning point of my views about him and the other sick shit being perpetrated.
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I remember Donna D and Martin used to hang out all the time. As students we used to hope that they would get together.
What a fucking joke that was...
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Martin Wiens a Mennonite in PA. (and probably a self hating closet case...ever notice how he always latched onto the cutest boys??)
http://www.christopherdock.org/academics/mwiens/ (http://www.christopherdock.org/academics/mwiens/)
Russ Decker
http://www.christiancounselingservice.o ... elors.html (http://www.christiancounselingservice.org/Counselors.html)
Russ Decker submitted the last little poem on his employer's '06 newsletter. Read it. Pretty ironic coming from him... or maybe he's been "saved" and forgiven for his crimes er, I mean sins, yeah sins. Like the ones he copped to in raps and propheets.
http://www.christiancounselingservice.o ... ter_06.pdf (http://www.christiancounselingservice.org/files/Winter_Newsletter_06.pdf)
also what he is up to with a church in Redlands
http://www.fbcredlands.org/parenting_cl ... e_2007.pdf (http://www.fbcredlands.org/parenting_class_schedule_mar_june_2007.pdf)
Jill Bentz owns an art gallery in Santa Fe under her maiden name. Don't like her paintings, but I like her primitive style of sculpture. Too bad she was with that sick Rudy...who is supposedly in Santa Fe too.
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think what really pissed me off was when he was running a full time of someone in our peer group. The guy had serious gay issues going on and incest cop outs. Martin made some concoction of salty water with some other shit in it to simulate cum and made him drink it and think about those horrible blowjobs he gave.
That is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard come out of the CEDU gulag in quite some time. :o :flame: I mean, seriously, that is totally fucking hideous. Do you know how difficult it is to appall my jaded self? A whole bucketload. Well, I am officially appalled.
I wonder what that "other shit" was? I have a pretty good idea, since the best way to simulate cum is with using cum.
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this might be Rudy, http://www.sanjuaned.org/ohkay_owingeh.html (http://www.sanjuaned.org/ohkay_owingeh.html)
this is Jill, http://www.indigoartgallery.com/shwaiko/shwaikobio.html (http://www.indigoartgallery.com/shwaiko/shwaikobio.html)
apparently her last name is Shwaiko now
regarding Martin gravitating towards the cuter guys in the school, it also seemed that more of the "popular" goodlooking guys also gravitated towards him and Tim Brace as well
there was a 2way street definately working regarding the homoerotic subtext going on... yes there seemed to be a pedo feel to Martin, but there were a lot of the cuter lookgoods taking advantage of it too, playing up to him and Tim because of the power they held
the prettier girls of course played up to Rudy and Guy and Donna Dillman
anybody else get a lesbian vibe from Donna D.?
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whyu dont a few of yoy take the time to email their places of work...i think their co-worker types hearing how they have tortured children in their past is a tiny bit of justice
(emphasis on the tiny)
any stories you can share with me about Jill- ill mail for her
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anybody else get a lesbian vibe from Donna D.?
I might have seen the whole Lez vibe from Donna too.
However, she was featured on the front page of the Orange County Register. Her boyfriend died climbing Mt. Everest and they had a big write up on him and interview with her.
This was circa 1994.
I liked Donna...of all the assholes there, she was kind. The wilderness trips were some of my favorite memories from Cedu.
I actually had to do the whole SUWS Idaho thing. Cedu's was a fucking cakewalk compared to that. Big difference on a 4 day solo where Cedu gives you good and where you have to kill mice!
Anyone see Sopranos last night??? That shit brought me right back. That is about what happened to me when I was "escorted" to Idaho. Then once there in the 10 degrees, they would not let me leave untill I involuntarily agreed to go back to Cedu.
All the other kids got to go to a diner and get ice cream and real food after surviving the 3 1/2 weeks. I had to catch a plane so I could go back to Cedu and be on bans from Challenge and below.
Real fun...
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Yeah, SUWS was brutal. I didn't go on it myself, but I knew several kids who did. They all came back with giardia, and didn't you guys have to whittle your own spoon out of a piece of wood or you couldn't eat? I remember most of them came back half-starved.
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I remember most of them came back half-starved.
People said I looked almost like a skeleton.
I am 5'11 and was 115 when I came back.
Nothing like hiking 20 miles a day on an empty stomach.
Crazy thing was is that they could be the living shit out of you if you mouthed off or refused.
Your parents literally sign their rights to you away.
They beat the living shit out of this kid right in front of us...
Made me think twice about misbehaving
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anybody else get a lesbian vibe from Donna D.?
I might have seen the whole Lez vibe from Donna too.
However, she was featured on the front page of the Orange County Register. Her boyfriend died climbing Mt. Everest and they had a big write up on him and interview with her.
This was circa 1994.
I liked Donna...of all the assholes there, she was kind. The wilderness trips were some of my favorite memories from Cedu.
I actually had to do the whole SUWS Idaho thing. Cedu's was a fucking cakewalk compared to that. Big difference on a 4 day solo where Cedu gives you good and where you have to kill mice!
Anyone see Sopranos last night??? That shit brought me right back. That is about what happened to me when I was "escorted" to Idaho. Then once there in the 10 degrees, they would not let me leave untill I involuntarily agreed to go back to Cedu.
All the other kids got to go to a diner and get ice cream and real food after surviving the 3 1/2 weeks. I had to catch a plane so I could go back to Cedu and be on bans from Challenge and below.
Real fun...
He died on k2, I was friends with them both. She's not gay unless it happened since my grad.
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I actually had to do the whole SUWS Idaho thing. Cedu's was a fucking cakewalk compared to that. Big difference on a 4 day solo where Cedu gives you good and where you have to kill mice!
Oh god, the CEDU wilderness expeditions were one of the few somewhat enjoyable things I did at that place. Seriously, for the most part, our asses were pretty well taken care of on those trips. Especially since I went to RMA and Dan Krumpatich managed most of them. In fact, we often really enjoyed them because we got to eat shit we couldn't eat at the school, such as crappy instant fruity oatmeal, and mac n cheese, and candy bars, and my favorite, sardines. We also had good quality packs, tents, sleeping bags and other gear.
Yeah, the hiking/skiing was hard, but the staff were actually with it and knew their shit and kept an eye out for things like dehydration, hypothermia or frostbite. I once got yelled at cause I went out in the snow with my boots untied.
And you're right, the four day solo was a snap. One big assed bag of GORP (That I finished pretty much the first day.) But who the fuck cares? You're away from all of those other fuckers and can do whatever you want. I wasn't even hungry. Some kids came back and they were all whiny about not eating, and relieved to be off solo, and I was exactly the opposite.
The only thing that sucked about the wilderness expeditions was that they would occasionally have raps. I don't think we had one on our challenge, though.
Yeah, comparing that to SUWS is like apples and oldsmobiles.
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He was a couple peer groups ahead of me.. at the time he was respected for 'getting off the streets'. HA. I know NOW that many, many people exaggerated their experiences to be 'accepted'. I hope that he has compassion for people that are unlike him. Please, oh Please have mercy on the children Russ.
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That is her:)