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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: cherish wisdom on May 26, 2004, 09:31:00 PM
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I'm so tired of the authorities in Utah saying that they can't do anything about the abuse in these dens of horror and torture because they are "private boarding schools" or "residential facilities." Provo Canyon School is listed as a hospital on both the Utah dot gov site and the US hospital data base. The parent company lists it as a "behavior health center." The truth be known - the authorities lie to those who complain about Provo Canyon School. It is NOT a private school or a residential facility - it is described and advertised as a hospital on official governmental web sites.
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Provo Hospitals
Name :-
Central Utah Surgical Center
Address :-
1067 N 500 W
Provo, UT 84604
Telephone No. :-
801-374-0354
Name :-
Crestview Care Center
Address :-
1053 W 1020 S
Provo, UT 84601
Telephone No. :-
801-373-2630
Name :-
First Medical
Address :-
745 N 500 W # 104
Provo, UT 84601
Telephone No. :-
801-373-1633
Name :-
East Lake Care Center
Address :-
1001 N 500 W
Provo, UT 84601
Telephone No. :-
801-377-9661
Name :-
Paracelsus Healthcare Corp
Address :-
4303 Foothill Dr
Provo, UT 84604
Telephone No. :-
801-235-9620
Name :-
Provo Canyon School
Address :-
4501 N University Ave
Provo, UT 84604
Telephone No. :-
801-227-2100
Name :-
Provo Surgical Center
Address :-
585 N 500 W
Provo, UT 84601
Telephone No. :-
801-375-0983
Name :-
Utah State Hospital
Address :-
1300 E Center St
Provo, UT 84606
Telephone No. :-
801-344-4400
If it is a hospital then all of the rules and regulations that govern other hospitals must apply. Ken Stettler must acknowledge this. He told me that it was a "residential facility" and that "core rules" applied. This was a blatant lie. When I brought this up to him and told him that it was described and listed as a hospital on both the US hospital data base and the Utah dot gove site - he never responded. In fact no one has responded - the Attorney General, licensing or Child Protective Services.
Type in Utah Valley Hospital Provo Canyon School and search. You will find several sites listing PCS as a hospital along with the major hospital (Utah Valley). It's also listed along side the Utah State Psychiatric Hospital.
This is so deceptive. I beleive they are doing this because they know it is abusive. They are also using tax dollars to send children court appointed children there. Other states have also paid to send children their by court appointment. This is truly a worthy topic for an investigator.
Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler
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It's not just Stettler, or Utah programs. This fraud is industry-wide. I just commented on this in another thread.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =120#49763 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5238&forum=9&start=120#49763)
I don't know how much protection this would actually provide the teens, as licensing comes for an initial inspection and you don't see them again for a couple of years; but the law's the law, and they should be required to abide by it.
If they are claiming to be a hospital, the regs are usually more strict. Here's a link to patient's rights in Missouri.
http://www.paraquad.org/mhp.htm (http://www.paraquad.org/mhp.htm)
If they were required to abide by similar rules, they'd have to shut down or completely restructure.
The declaration put out by the Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing is pretty good too. Who is going to voluntarily adopt this declaration?
http://www.teenliberty.org/ACAPN.htm (http://www.teenliberty.org/ACAPN.htm)
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The authorities like to put a lid on all reports of abuse. When the reporter knows something and persists they all clam up and refuse to give any more information out.
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Even if its a Private school or residental facility or whatever, why the hell does it matter?
If an american kid is being abused IN AMERICA it doesn't matter WHERE it happens, period. End of story. It should be stopped then and there. It doesn't matter if its in a prison, a house, a school, a hospital, a church, and it doesn't matter who does it - a teacher, parent, 'therapist', religious leader or the fairy godmother.
Oh, but by all means we'll all raise hell about abuse happening to people in Iraq! God knows we can't look at OURSELVES, huh?
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This is true - and that is what most of us believe. When I subjected my own child to the care of Provo Canyon School, I never dreamed that she would be abused there. I thought she would be protected by all of the rules and regulations that I assumed would be followed.
Of course I was rudely awakened. Then going the authorities was unbelieveable. I've said this before - but the supervisor of licensing of these facilities told me, and I quote, "Residential programs do not need to abide by State or Federal laws or mental health codes. Parents should do their homework before sending their child to a program in Utah." (L.J. Dustman) He said that the only rules that applied were "core rules." These are rules that are in place to prevent abuses of the punitive measures that happen to be allowed in the state of Utah. The abuse is somewhat regulated. Of course rules are never followed by the facilities and never enforced by the authorities - ONLY WHEN SOMEONE DIES do they look into violations. [ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-06-17 11:15 ]
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So why isn't anybody contacting the out-of-state agencies notifying them of these allegations of abuse? At least give them the heads up about the petition and the website where they can see for themselves what these allegations of abuse are all about?
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Anon: I have personally notified all of the authorities - including every legislator - in the State of Utah. I have notified my own Congressman - who cared less. I notified the governor of Utah and the governor of California. Neither has responded.
I have personally determined that the only way to get any action whatsoever is to write letters to the editor and talk to the press. Unfortunately our government has become so corrupt that the officials only act to save face when their inaction is exposed by the media. Humiliation of governmental leaders is what is necessary. If your want to do something - stop venting on this web site and start writing letters to the Salt Lake Tribune and other papers in Utah. Letter writing campaigns stimulate public debate and commentary which leads to increased media coverage. If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
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I agree, but it seems once these out-of-state agencies are on notice that one of the RTC's they refer kids to has been accused of abusing kids, it will be hard for them to claim "they didn't know" later, down the road.
Look up the case of Nicolas Contreras. Once the state of California got wind of his tortuous death, they quit sending CA adjudicated youth to the Arizona Boys Ranch.
Media reports are helpful, but as long as these facilities remain open they are viewed as S.A.F.E. by parents, ed consultants, therapists, out-of-state probabtion officers, etc.
That's all I'm trying to say.
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The California system has recently notified PCS that they will no longer send wards of the state to Provo Canyon School. What I need to do now is notify my insurance company of the abusive treatment, violations of rules and codes and the insurance fraud that was committed. They charged my insurance for 6 extra days according to the document I received.
If insurance companies pull out - many of these programs will fail - especially Provo Canyon School. They used to burn witches. Today we laugh at them. Today we jail people for marijuana. Tomorrow they'll laugh at us.
--Robert "Rosie" Rowbotham
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Well, that's progress! But why was California sending kids to such expensive out-of-state psych hospitals at the TAXPAYERS expense in the first place? Grrrrrr .... what a rip off.
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Oh, I forgot to add that I also agree with notifying insurance companies. Once they get wind of fraudulent billing practices, there will be hell to pay (no pun intended) if these practices are indeed found to be fraudulent.
Another strategy would be to organize a sit-down protest on the steps of the Utah state capital. That would sure get the attention of the local and national media, don't you agree?
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That might work if it were only those few that opposed this industry. If the programs got wind of it, it's possible students and staff from the schools all over Utah and other family friendly States would be there to show their support, ya think??
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So what if the Stepford Clan shows up to defend their voodoo family values? The media will eat it up!!!
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Better yet, don't announce the protest, and target certain programs themselves, along with the state capitol. That'll take care of tipping off the Stepford-like "Legion of Faithful" programmed parents and teens.
Positively creepy, isn't it, to think this kind of conditioning (aka brainwashing) can happen in real life? I mean talk about truth being stranger than fiction -- this is right out of a Stephen King novel.
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Stephen King should write a novel about this. It would be truly horrifying. What happened to Aaron Bacon and Ian August is truly horrifying. These boys were tortured and died as a result of extreme negligence and cruelty. To let Ian lay in the sun for an hour when he was dying of heat exhaustion was beyon belief.
I think we should all get together and protest at the capital. I have a printing company. Anyone interested? [ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-06-17 11:13 ]
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CW - Does the state require these hospitals to have video cameras turned on 24/7 recording the way kdis are treated by staff? Especially those who are in isolation and/or being restrained? I realize video taping kids could be viewed as a breach of their rights to privacy, but I'm not talking about filming kids using the bathroom, showering, sleeping, etc, I'm talking about using video taping as a deterrent to routine neglect and abuse. Just a thought, I know they have cameras in Juvenile detention centers, youth jails and adult prisons and yet abuse still occurs, but at least parents would have access to documentation and the authorities would have something to go on.
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On 2004-06-17 12:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"CW - Does the state require these hospitals to have video cameras turned on 24/7 recording the way kdis are treated by staff? Especially those who are in isolation and/or being restrained? I realize video taping kids could be viewed as a breach of their rights to privacy, but I'm not talking about filming kids using the bathroom, showering, sleeping, etc, I'm talking about using video taping as a deterrent to routine neglect and abuse. Just a thought, I know they have cameras in Juvenile detention centers, youth jails and adult prisons and yet abuse still occurs, but at least parents would have access to documentation and the authorities would have something to go on."
No, unfortunatley, there is no such thing in most of these places. They probably use the small excuse that we could access them and use them as a weapon or soemthing lame like that.
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Many hospitals now use video cameras in their pediatric units to protect patients from abductions and so forth. It would be a great addition and could prevent abuses of children. Unfortunately the facilities do not have videos.
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Henry Kissinger
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Speaking of Video Cameras - here is something all must see. This was found on the Youth Rights Forum under Behavior modification. The video is outrageous - it appears as though the guards who are beating the youth are trying to do it in an area that is not in the camera's view. See for yourself:
The California Youth Authority (CYA)needs to be shut down! Here is an article on how the attorney general of California refuses to prosecute "counselors" that beat two youths. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... ADTC29.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/04/24/MNGL66ADTC29.DTL)
These bastards were even caught on tape (imagine what happens that we don't see), which you can see for yourself at:
http://www.ellabakercenter.org/page.php?pageid=182 (http://www.ellabakercenter.org/page.php?pageid=182)
The day before this happened (in January) two other teenagers where found hanged in their cells. Here is more information on some of the abuses (including putting youth into cages where they can barely turn around).
http://www.indybay.org/police/#1959 (http://www.indybay.org/police/#1959)
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Hello, I was at PCS from 1/13/1999 - 9/30/1999
Though I did not experience any abuse I know several who did. We needed someone to help us, we talked to our parents but they just said we were lying (we are troubled you know) there are now rights or any kind of recouse for the kids there. I would love to help but I do not know how
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If PCS were really a "hospital" of any sort, they would be required to hire only "professionals"- registered nurses or lpn's would have to staff the units and monitor progess, write notes, ect...
Currently, their unit staff are not required to have any college education, yet these people are the primary caregivers; they implement the program, dole out infractions and punishments, evaluate "progress", write progress notes for the charts, monitor many children who may be on dangerous psychiatric meds... and they have no professional training nor licensure! I don't even think they are certified in CPR!!
At a legitimate hospital, people of this caliber work as "technicians", who take vital signs, and thats about it. Oh, right...they don't check anyone's vital signs at PCS. Just another way in which PCS lies and manipulates, and provides sub-standard care.
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If they REALLY claim to be a hospital but are not, shouldnt there be some authorities that should burst in and make sure they actually are one, and if not make them cease and decist?
"Private schools" or "programs" are unregulated at times and fall into grey areas, but I thought a HOSPITAL had to be a HOSPITAL! As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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On 2005-11-27 16:46:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"If they REALLY claim to be a hospital but are not, shouldnt there be some authorities that should burst in and make sure they actually are one, and if not make them cease and decist?
"Private schools" or "programs" are unregulated at times and fall into grey areas, but I thought a HOSPITAL had to be a HOSPITAL! "
Where does PCS itself claim to be a hospital. All I've seen is that others categorize it that way. If I called an elm tree a turtle wouldn't make it so.
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http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/recovery/cons ... enters.htm (http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/recovery/consumers/treatmentcenters.htm)
This is only the beginning, one of the first links on a google search for "provo canyon school hospital". (I am not very computer savvy, perhaps someone else can point us to other sites).
The link above listed PCS a facility that treats "addiction". Puh-lease! This place claims to treat anything and everything!
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On 2005-11-28 20:51:00, bandit1978 wrote:
"http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/recovery/consumers/treatmentcenters.htm
This is only the beginning, one of the first links on a google search for "provo canyon school hospital". (I am not very computer savvy, perhaps someone else can point us to other sites).
The link above listed PCS a facility that treats "addiction". Puh-lease! This place claims to treat anything and everything!
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Again ... where does PCS itself claim to be a hospital? That the facility treats addiction and hospitals treat addiction qualifies both to be on a list of places treating addiction, but doesn't make PCS a hospital. And that you -- or Napoleon, or Alexander the Great -- call it a hospital doesn't mean they claim to be one.
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I know PCS is listed as a hospital, because I have seen it myself! I was quite suprised, as I was under the impression that PCS was a "residential treatment center", I had never heard any mention of it being a "hospital".
Would someone please locate the sites that list PCS at a hospital? Computers are just not my area of expertise. If no one else posts about it, then I'll find these sites, when I get a minute, okay?
Meanwhile, Provo Canyon better get to work removing their name from any hospitals list.
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http://www.helplinedatabase.com/hospita ... provo.html (http://www.helplinedatabase.com/hospital-us/utah-provo.html)
Voila!
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http://www.fsnhospitals.com/United-Stat ... Hospitals/ (http://www.fsnhospitals.com/United-States-Hospitals/Utah-Hospitals/Provo-Hospitals/)
**How many more do you want??