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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: FaceKhan on July 07, 2002, 06:15:00 PM
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This Was Posted On My Message Board - By Jeff Berryman
"My associates are trying to help a woman who is trying to get her son
out of Tranquility Bay, Jamaica. She is in urgent need of witnesses with
RECENT experience who can testify about conditions there and the way the
kids are treated. Anyone who is willing and able to do this, please
E-mail me immediately.
JB"
If Anyone Can Help Please Email Him Directly At:
Http://www.angelfire.com/d20/boardingschool4 (http://Http://www.angelfire.com/d20/boardingschool4)
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Facekahn which program (school) did you attend? Or, if you did not attend a program, did you have a friend who attended a program? If so which one?
FaceKhan
Joined: 2001-12-24
Posts: 395
From: The stars
Posted: 2002-07-07 15:15:00
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This Was Posted On My Message Board - By Jeff Berryman
"My associates are trying to help a woman who is trying to get her son
out of Tranquility Bay, Jamaica. She is in urgent need of witnesses with
RECENT experience who can testify about conditions there and the way the
kids are treated. Anyone who is willing and able to do this, please
E-mail me immediately.
JB"
If Anyone Can Help Please Email Him Directly At:
Http://www.angelfire.com/d20/boardingschool4 (http://Http://www.angelfire.com/d20/boardingschool4)
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"All of the darkness of the world cannot put out the light of one small candle."
The way this reads to me, it sounds like you are BS4?
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Yeah, it does kinda look that way, doesn't it? On the other hand, I thought I read somewhere (Teen Liberty website?)that BST was started by an alumni of Spring Creek Lodge?
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I too had read somewhere before that Boarding School Truth was started by a Spring Creek alumni. That is why I was asking Facekahn if he were in a program and if so, which one, or did he have a friend in a program and if so, which one. However, I also know that it is a big secret who BS4 actually is. Why it is such a big secret, I don't know?
I just read his post again and from what he posted using the "posted on my message board" and then ending it with "Thanks BS4" and the link to the site made it sound like he is BS4.
I have read other posts of Facekahn's, posted on later dates, where he refers to BS4 as someone other than himself. I just found this post interesting, it seems to be disclosing something not intended to be disclosed.
JUST MY OPINION.
Facekahn are you BS4?
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Wasn't BST one of the first websites to recruit potential clients for the then class-action (now called direct-action) lawsuit against WWASPS? Seems to me I remember seeing something to that effect. If so, maybe that is why the identity of BS4 is so closely guarded?
:???:
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Carey,
Check out the frontpage of Alexia Parks website. That's where the info is about Boarding School Truth being started by an alumni of Spring Creek Lodge. Don't know if this info is accurate or not, but this is the link I found when searching the Internet.
http://www.teenliberty.org (http://www.teenliberty.org)
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Who is "Windhand"????
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I think that WindHand@hotmail.com is the email address for Boarding School Truth (BS4).
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to my knowldege facekahn was in straight. I just went to Alicia Parks website. Alicia parks is a sincere first hand critic of the teen help industry. If you haven't done so read her book "american gulag".
Some surprising possible good news in Oklahoma found on her website....a submitted bill. Hooray for the sponsors!
Monday, February 24, 2003
Committee Substitute for
Senate Bill No. 605
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR SENATE BILL NO. 605 - By: SMITH of the Senate and HASTINGS of the House.
[ marriage and family - Forgotten Youth Act ? consent ? misdemeanor ? codification ? emergency ]
BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION . NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 110.2 of Title 43, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
This act shall be known and may be cited as the "Forgotten Youth Act".
SECTION . NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 110.2a of Title 43, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
As used in this act:
1. "Child" means any person under eighteen (18) years of age who has been subject to a court?s jurisdiction in a domestic relations case;
2. "Facility" means a place or an institution used for the lawful custody and treatment of children on a twenty-four-hour basis, with no grievance mechanism for children, which includes but is not limited to detention of a child in the facility under lockdown or other restraint of a child?s liberty; and
3. "Court of jurisdiction" means the district court which has jurisdiction of the domestic relations case to which the child is the subject.
SECTION . NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 110.2b of Title 43, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. Prior to admittance of a child to an out-of-state facility, a custodial parent who is subject to the jurisdiction of the domestic relations court shall submit a consent form signed by both the custodial and noncustodial parent to the court of jurisdiction.
B. Failure of the custodial parent to submit a consent form pursuant to subsection A of this section prior to a child?s admittance to an out-of-state facility shall constitute a misdemeanor.
SECTION . It being immediately necessary for the preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergency is hereby declared to exist, by reason whereof this act shall take effect and be in full force from and after its passage and approval.
COMMITTEE REPORT BY: COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, dated 2-18-03 - DO PASS, As Amended and Co-authored
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Sounds like Oklahoma is trying to do something constructive.
However, I wish FaceKahn would answer the question. I want to hear it from him. I think he is an honest individual and IF he answers it will be the truth.
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However, I wish FaceKahn would answer the question. I want to hear it from him. I think he is an honest individual and IF he answers it will be the truth.
Phew! I was worried that you might not think that he's honest. Let me tell you, that puts my mind at ease. I mean if anyone knows an honest person when they see him, it's you. :lol:
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You are right Frog, I am honest and I think FaceKahn will be honest too.
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Frog are you saying you think I have lied about something?
If so, what about? Please be specific.
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On 2004-03-01 13:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Carey,
Check out the frontpage of Alexia Parks website. That's where the info is about Boarding School Truth being started by an alumni of Spring Creek Lodge. Don't know if this info is accurate or not, but this is the link I found when searching the Internet.
http://www.teenliberty.org (http://www.teenliberty.org)
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What I get from this website is that it's all about teens having even more control over their parents. ::jawdrop::
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What I get from this website is that it's all about teens having even more control over their parents
That's right. Send them to me, I'll take good care of them for you.
Sincerely,
Dr. Virgil Miller Fucktard, M.D., P.H.D.
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On 2004-03-01 19:25:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"However, I wish FaceKahn would answer the question. I want to hear it from him. I think he is an honest individual and IF he answers it will be the truth.
Phew! I was worried that you might not think that he's honest. Let me tell you, that puts my mind at ease. I mean if anyone knows an honest person when they see him, it's you. ::bangin::
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2048&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2048&forum=9)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=1905&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=1905&forum=9)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=67&forum=7 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=67&forum=7)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=175&forum=7 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=175&forum=7)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=72&forum=7 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=72&forum=7)
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what difference does it make Carey- why do you want to know?
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Why does my asking making you paranoid? I am curious. I have always wanted to know who BST was/is. I happen to think that the more we know, the more we can understand each other.
I do not understand why people are so afraid to stand up for what they feel, what they have experienced and what they have to share. The secretive nature of most of the people associated or having had experience with this industry is something I don't understand. To me it is a sign of something wrong, or a sign of having something to hide.
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I think your fishing for your whore masters.
I think everything you say is a lie.
I think your whole life is a lie.
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See you are paranoid. Why?
Such as....
What lie/lies?
You can't state any because I have not lied.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2004-03-02 10:39 ]
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Sheesh, Frod, I feel really sorry for you. I mean, are you EVER going to wake up and realize that you are a patsy?
Whatever, anon. :scared:
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Carey people are entitled to share as they feel comfortable. If you were a victim of rape or somekind of abuse perhaps you wouldN'T feel up to sharing your name but would want your experience out there for others to see and learn from? Everyone has the right to decide for themselves, it's human courtesy IMO
whatever happens in your legal case- who knows? but if you are found at fault of defamation or whatever is alleged would you want a local reporter to put it in your local paper for your boss, neighbors etc to see or would you want the right to share your experience without being pressured by others?
Who's paranoid?- just interested in why you think that someone should be forced to share what they may not want to?...does it de-value or give less credibility to the experience? not for me.
sorry that Boarding School Truth is gone
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Carey people are entitled to share as they feel comfortable. If you were a victim of rape or somekind of abuse perhaps you wouldN'T feel up to sharing your name but would want your experience out there for others to see and learn from?
You are right people are entilted to share as they feel comfortable. I am not forcing anyone to do or say anything. I have simply asked a question, of FaceKahn, that is all. If he chooses not to answer, that his right. My addressing the Anon who is paranoid is another issue separate and apart from my question to FaceKahn.
And yes, if putting my name to a bad experience would save others from going through the same bad experience, then yes I would put my name to it. I would find healing in knowing I was helping others.
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That was me.
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I am not forcing anyone to do or say anything.
No, you're damn right you're not..but I'll bet you wish that you could , don't you?
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To be fair, Frod, Carey is not the only one curious about the identity of this person, especially after the BST website just seemed to vanish with no real explanation, leaving a lot of people wondering WTH happened to this apparently very popular website (check the archives here and on other chatboards, as I recall there was quite a bit of discussion about his issue). Interesting that the BST name has been "parked" on Go Daddy, whatEVER that means??
Anyway, I stumbled upon this URL to BST but not sure if it is the now-defunct-one everybody is talking about (angelfire?).
http://www/26.brinkster.com/bs4 (http://www/26.brinkster.com/bs4)
:smile:
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Whatever...it's just that she comes off like, "I'm Carey and I'm the only TRUE champion of the kids...all the rest of you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about."
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Sorry Frog. I don't mean to come across that way to you, or to anyone else for that matter. I don't think that I am "the only TRUE champion of the kids.." As a matter of fact, I don't think I am a champion of any sort. I see myself as a person who wants to know all of the facts surrounding this industry. I am a person who wants to be informed.
I am a person who wants to be able to make opinions based on the "whole story." I also want others to know the "whole story." Where else can one get the "whole story" other than by listening to both sides? We are all, society that is, by far better off if we know all of the details surrounding this industry, not just those that one group or another cares to share.
One thing I do know for sure, and that is, that I still today would not want my children in a "program" of any type. Why? Because it is my responsibilty as a parent to be sure 100%, proof positive, that my children are ok. Like I said somewhere in another post, when my children were small I quit work because I did not want to leave them in day care. I chose not to leave them in day care, not because I thought they were being abused, but because I thought there could be the potential for abuse and that they would have no way of telling me about it because they were small and unable to communicate effectively. I think in programs that limit communication, the same potential is there. To me it is just not worth the risk.
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. :roll: :roll: :roll: This does no good. Carey can't say 'hey, there MIGHT be SOME validity to what you say. There's a POSSIBILITY that I MIGHT come across as a condescending, know-it-all, martyr'. It's always just 'no, you're wrong.'
That's how this will ALWAYS end.
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It's always just 'no, you're wrong.'
Anon, I never said that. Why do you find it necessary to accuse me of saying something I did not say. You must feel like I am saying "no your wrong." Why do you blame me for your feeling that way? I did not say that.
Carey can't say 'hey, there MIGHT be SOME validity to what you say.
Is that what you are looking for is validation. Why do you need me to validate "what you say." I don't even know who you are.
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no, not condescending at all either :roll:
I don't need validation from you and that's not what I said. I was pointing out how you can't seem to see anything of value in the opposing person's point of view. Again an example of how you twist what is actually said to fit your agenda.
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I remember a while back people saying that they essentially AGREED with what you were saying, but that you came across sometimes as bitchy and condescending. It wasn't like you said something like....'hey, I really didn't mean to come across that way...etc. etc.' That's how I would have responded, but hey, that's me. Instead, you came back with more patronizing, self-righteous, passive-aggressive needling......which I'm sure you'll continue to do more of now.
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For the record - This is what you call constructive criticism. Thank you
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not at all. Thank YOU. :nworthy:
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Instead, you came back with more patronizing, self-righteous, passive-aggressive needling......which I'm sure you'll continue to do more of now.
Who is being patronizing, self-righteous, passive-aggressive needling...."which I'm sure you'll do more or now."
I think it be you Anon. :lol:
Lets compare...
Is this condescending
Sorry Frog. I don't mean to come across that way to you, or to anyone else for that matter. I don't think that I am "the only TRUE champion of the kids.." As a matter of fact, I don't think I am a champion of any sort. I see myself as a person who wants to know all of the facts surrounding this industry. I am a person who wants to be informed.
I am a person who wants to be able to make opinions based on the "whole story." I also want others to know the "whole story." Where else can one get the "whole story" other than by listening to both sides? We are all, society that is, by far better off if we know all of the details surrounding this industry, not just those that one group or another cares to share.
One thing I do know for sure, and that is, that I still today would not want my children in a "program" of any type. Why? Because it is my responsibilty as a parent to be sure 100%, proof positive, that my children are ok. Like I said somewhere in another post, when my children were small I quit work because I did not want to leave them in day care. I chose not to leave them in day care, not because I thought they were being abused, but because I thought there could be the potential for abuse and that they would have no way of telling me about it because they were small and unable to communicate effectively. I think in programs that limit communication, the same potential is there. To me it is just not worth the risk.
or is this condescending
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This does no good. Carey can't say 'hey, there MIGHT be SOME validity to what you say. There's a POSSIBILITY that I MIGHT come across as a condescending, know-it-all, martyr'. It's always just 'no, you're wrong.'
I was pointing out how you can't seem to see anything of value in the opposing person's point of view.
I assume you are refering to something of value in someones point of view in this thread in which you think I refuse to see. Could you please tell me what it is that you think I have refused to see. We were talking about FaceKahn and his choice as to whether or not to answer my question. In which I agreed with the Anon that it is his choice, not mine. If it makes you angry with me for saying that I would not make the same choice, I can not help that. If it makes you angry that I asked the question, I can not help that either.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2004-03-03 15:37 ]
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2004-03-03 15:39 ]
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This IS pointless. When I first posted about this, I did so because I got so sick and fucking tired of seeing the stupid Goddamn arguing going on between you and several others. I offered a little constructive criticism about how you come across to people sometimes. It was unsolicited yes, but thought I'd offer it. Apparently I wasn't the only one who thought so. You don't agree. OK. Guess we'll leave it at that. But you know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about with your passive aggressive shit. You HAVE to get the last word in no matter what. This discussion isn't even about REAL ISSUES....a lot of it has been about you and your attitude...you can't even let THIS go. I've seen it, others have seen it, and most importantly Carey, no matter what you say to the contrary, you know it.
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This IS pointless. When I first posted about this, I did so because I got so sick and fucking tired of seeing the stupid Goddamn arguing going on between you and several others.
I offered a little constructive criticism about how you come across to people sometimes. It was unsolicited yes, but thought I'd offer it.
Apparently I wasn't the only one who thought so. You don't agree. OK. Guess we'll leave it at that. But you know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about with your passive aggressive shit.
Really, YOU werent the only one, you must be talking about Anons 1, 2, and 3 Hmmm, who knows all those anons could be you. Posting as an Anon has destroyed the power of your statements. Posting as Anon, you loose your individuality. So Anon, when you say,"I got so sick and fucking tired of seeing the stupid Goddamn arguing going on between you and several others" I say, what others? The only one posting here besides Frog and myself is Anon.
Constructive criticism" Do you even know what that is? If you do and you see it in your post, please point it out. I don't see where your critisism has been constructive.
You HAVE to get the last word in no matter what. This discussion isn't even about REAL ISSUES....
Real issues according to who? You? Are you the one who gets to decide which issues are real? I don't think so. It is important that you try and remember the world does not revolve around you. Here is a a suggestion, althought it is unsolcited, why don't you just stay out of discussions that you feel are irrelavant or not of a "real issue."
a lot of it has been about you and your attitude...you can't even let THIS go. I've seen it, others have seen it, and most importantly Carey, no matter what you say to the contrary, you know it.
Others, oh you must mean Anon, and Anon and Anon and all your other alter egos. I am going to let you in on something, I don't need and am not asking for your approval. I don't need you to validate me, my opinons or my experience. And further more, the attacks and condescending remarks on the board have not come from me, they have been made to me. I know it, others know it, "and no matter what you say to the contrary, you know it."
:grin: :grin:
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That was me.
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actually I've gotten quite a kick out of watching you endlessly run around, search threads, quote whoever. I MUST have had an effect on you or you wouldn't have spent so much time on this.
Hope ya had fun!! Thanks for playing Troll.
:wave:
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believe what you want....all the anons were NOT me.
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actually I've gotten quite a kick out of watching you endlessly run around, search threads, quote whoever. I MUST have had an effect on you or you wouldn't have spent so much time on this.
Oh, so these are the "real issues" you speak of. Your issues are those of game playing with others. No wonder you don't have anything of value to add. No wonder all you can do is call names and put people down. No wonder you can not put anything productive in your posts. No wonder you have no counter arguement to make (other than of course your name calling) and now I see why you get so angry with my posts. My posts are real, not a game.
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no Carey, once again, you're twisting things. I decided to throw my two cents in because I thought you had some good points that weren't being heard because you come across as such a bitch. Thought I'd point it out and maybe more people would hear what you're saying. I was obviously wrong, you don't hear anything but what you want to hear. It BECAME amusing after I saw what kind of a person you are. :wave:
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On 2004-03-04 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"no Carey, once again, you're twisting things. I decided to throw my two cents in because I thought you had some good points that weren't being heard because you come across as such a bitch. Thought I'd point it out and maybe more people would hear what you're saying. I was obviously wrong, you don't hear anything but what you want to hear. It BECAME amusing after I saw what kind of a person you are. :wave: "
Mirror, Mirror to you. You are seeing those things in yourself and projecting it to Carey
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On 2004-03-01 21:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-03-01 13:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
http://www.teenliberty.org (http://www.teenliberty.org)
What I get from this website is that it's all about teens having even more control over their parents. ::jawdrop:: "
Well, honey, that's because you're a sadist.
The sadist cannot stand the separation of the public and the private; nor can he grant to others the mystery of their personality, the validity of their inner self...in order for him to feel his maximum power, he wants the world to be peopled with concrete manipulatable objects...
-- ERNEST BECKER, The Structure of Evil, 1968.
Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is.
MARGARET MITCHELL
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***What I get from this website is that it's all about teens having even more control over their parents.***
Never hold your farts in. (Control)
They travel up your spine, into your brain,
and that's where shitty ideas come from.
::ftard::
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hey, isn't farting a cat 4 offense?
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On 2004-03-03 14:23:00, Carey wrote:
Carey can't say 'hey, there MIGHT be SOME validity to what you say.
Is that what you are looking for is validation. Why do you need me to validate "what you say." I don't even know who you are.
Carey is the ultimate troll without even trying.
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Some more fine trolling by Carey...
Anon:This discussion isn't even about REAL ISSUES....a lot of it has been about you and your attitude...you can't even let THIS go
Carey:Real issues according to who? You? Are you the one who gets to decide which issues are real? I don't think so. It is important that you try and remember the world does not revolve around you. Here is a a suggestion, althought it is unsolcited, why don't you just stay out of discussions that you feel are irrelavant or not of a "real issue."
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On 2004-03-04 07:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-03-04 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"no Carey, once again, you're twisting things. I decided to throw my two cents in because I thought you had some good points that weren't being heard because you come across as such a bitch. Thought I'd point it out and maybe more people would hear what you're saying. I was obviously wrong, you don't hear anything but what you want to hear. It BECAME amusing after I saw what kind of a person you are. :wave: "
Mirror, Mirror to you. You are seeing those things in yourself and projecting it to Carey"
What are you, fucking 12 years old???? Mirror, mirror to you???? As someone else said, if you're going to play in the big leagues, you're going to have to do better than that. :lol: :lol:
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I thought this was a forum for 12 year olds :rofl:
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Carey is the ultimate troll without even trying
Any thoughts on this?