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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: thepatriot on April 20, 2004, 10:05:00 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it later discovered that one or all of the Columbine shooters
had been on Riddlin for years? Its a shame that in our scociety when a parent gets lazy they stick their kid on Riddlin. This drug has been known to have serious effects especialy on young kids whos minds and brains are still developing. If I am not mistaken in Europe it is illegal to prescribe Riddlin to anyone under 18. Serveral school districts througout the country try to push this therapy on parents when their child is deemed un-teachable or "hyper active" sad thing, drug them then forget about them. Then question why something like Columbine takes place. Parents need to wake up and start giving a shit about their kids, and quit taking the lazy way out.
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That's right--blame it on drugs. Had nothing to do with the fact that those two kids were harrassed and made fun of at school every day.
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are heroes. Who knows how many kids who were once made fun of for being geeks are now feared by the jocks that used to terrorize them?
Those kids set a great example. If someone had done that at Straight back in 1978, maybe those types of programs never would have happened. We need more kids with the guts that Eric and Dylan had.
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You are a dumb fuck and a loser!!!!1 you posts are
irrelevant go away
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The only thing heroic about those kids would have been stiffling your sorry ass. We all know your ignorant and full of shit therefor this will be my last post to you NAZI, that is you right?
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Actually, one of the boys wanted to go into the military, but because they had made him take some drug - the military wouldn't take him.
And, being a boy, he was devastated and couldn't imagine any type of career or life beyond that.
He was the dominant one of the pair. And it was his decision to end it all because he saw no future for himself.
so yes, it is the fault of the drugs. But it was a drug that they forced him to take. I don't believe it was Ritalin - but something along those lines.
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Colombine was the REAL Revenge of the Nerds!
Support your local Trenchcoat Mafia!
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Well, that explains a lot. Awwwwww, poor baby. So you were picked on in school. So was I, so were a lot of kids. I'm really sorry, but ya know what??? Fucking deal with it. What a chicken shit way out. Suicide itself is vicious enough, but what they did was even more cowardly. They were couple of very troubled, bored, spoiled kids whose parents were too busy to pay enough attention to what was going on. Harris was on probation. He wrote an essay about revenge killing that his teacher was concerned enough to contact his parents about. They weren't too concerened. They had a fucking website up about it for God's sake. Parents of other kids reported that they heard rumors about the plan.
Kids have been teased and picked on since the beginning of time. For you to call what they did heroic shows you for the ignorant, selfish, insecure, self-pitying asshole you are.
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It's called dedication. Eric and Dylan gave their lives for something they believed in.
These heroic martyrs are an example for us all--don't take shit from anybody.
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Some of the kids they killed were geeks and nerds too you dickhead.
Why don't you be like your hero's and let us know who you are? They were not scared. Why are you?
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On 2004-04-20 08:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's called dedication. Eric and Dylan gave their lives for something they believed in.
These heroic martyrs are an example for us all--don't take shit from anybody."
Show us how it's done. Go rob a police station today. If I don't see you on the news tonight, you are a chicken shit coward.
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On 2004-04-20 07:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's right--blame it on drugs. Had nothing to do with the fact that those two kids were harrassed and made fun of at school every day.
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are heroes. Who knows how many kids who were once made fun of for being geeks are now feared by the jocks that used to terrorize them?
Those kids set a great example. If someone had done that at Straight back in 1978, maybe those types of programs never would have happened. We need more kids with the guts that Eric and Dylan had."
Ok but why wre the other kids terrorizing them?
I mean if you want to strat looking at motives , look at the big picture.
Everyone does everything they do for a reason..
whether they realize it or not.
You cannot justify random murder...
But then again you KNOW that already..
You just want to get people riled up since the interfighting has stopped...
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Ya, this new anon Troll is real special.
Well, if you read the archived information Rotten.com has on the Colombine shootings...it may shed a bit of light on what those two were and were not, Anon....one such thing being members of the so-called Trenchcoat Mafia.
My personal opinion is probably just as harsh, but not so unrealistic as the "Hero Theory".
The fact is, aside from all the things we would like to believe we are capable of...we are all still human beings. That gives us front row tickets to the big game called Survival of the Fittest. We are all susceptable to the urges of our natural biological traits. We are the most dominant species on the planet, as well as one of the most prolific ( I am excluding single celled organisms here) and we cant all be born with the right machinery and equipment to function as whats considered to be prized specimens of our species. This could be analyzed to infinity, but lets keep it simple.
People can be generally fucked up. In fact, lots of people can be...because, well, there are lots of people. There are millions who have had it worse than Eric or Dylan ever did, respectively. And probably a nice sized chunk of those people never hauled off and shot up a bunch of innocent bystanders because of it. For me personally, I dont give a shit what I have been through...everything can be dealt with and resolved on a personal level to some degree without falling to pieces. On the upside, its to our advantage as humans to be able to overlook our instincts to blow the fuck up.
If you end up just losing it and freaking out and offing yourself, well....I would be inclined to call that the weakest of resolutions given our place in nature, such as it is. In a clinical sense, it doesnt make you a bad person...it makes you a defective human being. But I think we ARE capable of, and have a greater responsibility to, our place in the big scheme of things.
[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-04-20 17:29 ][ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-04-20 17:40 ]
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Well sometimes it can be more someones own mind than any outside stimuli..
And people like to look at situations like this..and try to find an answer..
So...people say things like ..well they were picked on..and they snapped..or...they were doing drugs and listening to death metal..
But you really dont know..
Its like trying to figure out a suicide...
Sometimes whats in someones mind is 100000 times worse than anything in their environment..
I have freaked out and attempted suicide many times among other things..
I still feel like I have very little control of my emotions..
And I dont see things right...not rational and I know when its happening that what Im thinking is distorted..Its not the way things are but I cant stop my mind..
It has caused me problems all of my life..it got me put into straight..I wasnt on drugs..I was fucking nuts...I inherited it..
How many 6 year olds are seeing child Psychs?
I was rised in Institutions..Psych doctors visits every week..Then as I got older the drugs started ...
It has cost me many jobs, friends , girlfriends...
And medications havent ever helped..
The smallest thing can happen and my brain spins out of control with emotion and assumption and I get lost in it...and go into anger robot mode..or paranoid robot mode, some days its a monumental thing for me to drive 3 blocks for cigarettes..
I get surges of terror when the phone rings..
Wierd things like that..
But back to my point...
Now say if I, hypothetically,caused a tragedy..
and had I not told you any of what I just did..
judging from what you think you know of me...
You might say...I did it because of Straight, or opiate addiction...or any number of external reasons.
And none of them would be correct..
Just like all the crap we read about Columbine
is just what everyone assumed was the cause..
Because its really probably whats going on in their head that noone knew and had nothing to do with bullies or parents or trenchcoats ...
The cause is one thing society cannot stop.....ever...and thats the inherent ...evil in man.
Call it mental illness ...call it evil....name it what you like.
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Speaking of Ritalin.
When I was about...well I was in High School still so must have been 16...a femme friend of mine used to party with us pretty much every night, she had a scrip to that...and convinced me to snort a bunch of those crushed up..
And that stuff is STRONG...I quickly became addicted I felt such a wonderful speed rush and talked and talked and was social and could drink all night..
I hadnt done methamphetamine at that point in my life...but the Ritalin in my opinion was alot stronger than cocaine..Granted we were snorting lines made of mabey 6 ...20 m pills...
But I see little diffrence between that and meth..
I cant believe they scrip that out to kids like crazy
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oh but man, could I do some work. When I took ritalin, all I wanted to do was work, work, work. Not eat, not sleep, no fuck...nothing, but work, work, work. I still have a on-going scrip for the stuff, but rarely use it. I think ritalin, like most drugs (opiates excluded ), if used responsibly are ok. Shit ...asprin can be abused.
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People can be generally fucked up. In fact, lots of people can be...because, well, there are lots of people. There are millions who have had it worse than Eric or Dylan ever did, respectively. And probably a nice sized chunk of those people never hauled off and shot up a bunch of innocent bystanders because of it. For me personally, I dont give a shit what I have been through...everything can be dealt with and resolved on a personal level to some degree without falling to pieces. On the upside, its to our advantage as humans to be able to overlook our instincts to blow the fuck up.
If you end up just losing it and freaking out and offing yourself, well....I would be inclined to call that the weakest of resolutions given our place in nature, such as it is. In a clinical sense, it doesnt make you a bad person...it makes you a defective human being. But I think we ARE capable of, and have a greater responsibility to, our place in the big scheme of things.
I completely agree, well said. I?ve discussed my views on murder and suicide before here. I?ve called them both, "The two most selfish human acts." That pretty much sums it up for me. It doesn?t matter what kind of mental anguish they were suffering, nothing justifies what they did. Losing control of emotions and actions like that says one thing, "I?m selfish and I don?t care about anyone/anything else but me, me, me." They weren?t heroes, they were just failures at life.
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agreed. Hero, fuck no. That's crazy. you don't shoot people because you were not popular in school and you got picked on, thats fucking crazy! No no no
We ought to be grateful that our government monopoly schools are such a failure. If today's 18 year olds could do arithmetic, they'd be out buying enough rope to hang everybody over 40.
--Alan Handleman on Social Security
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Shed no tears for the martyr dying,
Only in pain suffering and death
Can the martyr become what he?s chosen to be.
No tears wasted
No sorrow no pity
No, no crying, no loss
Shed no tears for the cop bleeding,
He once held the gun. He once held the key.
Now his prisoners will sing and dance and play.
No tears wasted
No sorrow no pity
No, no crying, no loss
Shed no tears for the nun beaten
By the children she once called her flock.
How they hate their teachers who force darkness upon us.
No tears wasted
No sorrow no pity
No, no crying, no loss
Shed no tears for the suicide,
He has made his choice. The pain of life is great
And some will find it sweet to rot beneath the earth
As we rot and live and breathe.
No tears wasted
No sorrow no pity
No, no crying, no loss
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Hell no. They were fucking losers. ALL kids are picked on at one time or another. Shit, I was picked on lots, but I didn't kill or shoot anyone. People like MLK, Jr and Jimmy Carter are heroes. Not losers like the columbine shits.
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I knew a woman who was dating a cocaine dealer and after they split up, she was having a tough time staying away from the guy (because of the coke).
So someone suggested that she look up the symptoms for hyperactivity and attention-deficit,
and then go to the doctor, and tell them the symptoms so she could get them to prescribe her a ritalin-type of drug. (Unfortunately, the name of the drug escapes me at the moment).
So anyway, she did just that and she hasn't touched cocaine since! She said it got her higher than cocaine ever did without the side effects, and she encouraged anyone who would listen to go get themselves a script! She even tried to give me some - shoot, she handed them out like they were aspirin.
But the thing is, I could TELL she was on a drug. I just was surprised to find that it was a legal drug.
I can't believe they give something that strong - that a former daily coke-user says gets her higher than coke ever did - to children!
And again, I reiterate - one of the Columbine boys was on this type of medication.
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Dextroamphetamine, dexadrine, aderall, ritalin....
supposedly has the reverse affect on ADD but can lead to pyschosis halucinations ect if you are not ADD who knows, I don't agree with giving kids Central nervous system stimulants which is what those drugs are, but if that can really be blamed for the shooting I am not really convinced.
I wouldn't rule it out completely and I don't think it is a bad theory but...
No synonym for God is so perfect as Beauty. Whether as seen carving the lines of the mountains with glaciers, or gathering matter into stars, or planning the movements of water, or gardening - still all is Beauty!
-- John Muir
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No, I don't blame the drug for the shootings!
No, no, no!
I'm just saying it didn't help any - and that it was a contributing factor, but ultimately the boys themselves are to blame - outside influences be damned - they didn't respect life or humanity.
But - from a "druggie" perspective - you know, to quote Chris Rock, "I don't condone murder, but I understand."
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"Druggie Perspective" ?? :roll:
What a stupid term that was..I remember calling myself a druggie when I left straight.
They taught me to see myself as some inferior evil trashy person that walked the fine line of
always being a thought away from relapse.
And I believed it. Never again from the time I set foot in that building would I ever feel like a descent, good person. When I go places I feel like people are talking about me and looking at me..
I used to stare at the floor...now I glare back.
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then keep the word, then keep the word...[ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-04-23 16:33 ]
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Yeah, I remember after I left there.....I did the whole druggie, relapse, sober BS thing too. After a while it just felt stupid. I was never a damn drug addict to begin with....it almost seemed like the natural act of living life outside of Straight for a while just sort of "phased out" that whole charade for me. Straight just kind of faded away gracefully for me. Funny...I would be inclined to call that part of the programming of the program. Like we werent supposed to wake up from the hypnosis until 15-20 years later. Not until long after the checks were cashed.
I never really give a shit about what people think about me though, I dont dwell on it as if were always negative. I try to be as forthcoming as possible, so that I know if anyone ever accuses me of something or tries to paint me as a liar, I have the confidence to step up and address it with that person. Im not afraid to be wrong, doesnt mean I might not like it.....but things usually are never as bad as I perceive them to be when it comes to dealing with people in my life. So I am not afraid of being blunt and resloving the issue as best I can.
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Dude jimmy carter was a lousy president.
And MLK had affairs outside of marriage and
plagorized.They're no fucking heroes. Eric and Dylan kicked ass! Someday I hope to do what they did. Except have the bombs work.
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heres a good article on Columbine
http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203 (http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203)
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Heres your heroes man in their own video tapes..
I dont see heroes...I see nerdy ass wanna be punk kids that film themselves playing cops and robbers...
By the way they looked anything but heroic in their library suicide photos..unless you call laying on the floor with your brains in your friends lap...whilst his head is blown off at the nose up...
And for what?
And they dont even inhale their cigarettes :lol:
http://necro.psyjnir.net/videostuff.html (http://necro.psyjnir.net/videostuff.html)
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I've never felt like this before
Our lives capsized, one man will give back
Be calm my love Why don't you kneel for me?
I write for sight One day you'll find me
in the corner,more sublime,
But I still never died[ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-05-01 02:56 ][ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-05-01 04:14 ]
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Anyone can put themselves into a frenzied violent frame of mind...and hurt people.
Like when I used to get loaded on heroin, I didnt give a fuck about anything...I think I could have easily shot someone for dope and not thought about it too much..
These kids were fucking stupid.. I was in prison when this happened, so I never really got in depth coverage of it..I knew the basic story as told to me by someone who saw it on the news..
After reading this thread I started thinking about it and went digging...I had one impression from the news accounts..
...but the videos speak volumes..