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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 14, 2004, 11:45:00 PM
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Looks like the ignorant and infantile have helped out Straight by flooding the board with nonsensical crap and pointless arguments. For those of you that applies to, give yourself a pat on the back. It is doubtful anyone doing research who happens upon this sight will take any of the information as valid or spend much time digging through the crap to find interesting or useful information. This is especially disheartening because there are many posts which are meaningful and accurate. I fully understand the desire to allow free and unrestricted speech, however most of these forums have become overloaded with irrelevant and counterproductive posts. With moving such posts to another section in the forum, 'freedom of speech' is still maintained while assisting in increasing the credibility of the sight.
I know the change will not be made and that I am only parroting what others have said previously. Just couldn't resist from saying something. I'd like to believe that it is mainly due to the public with little or no knowledge of Straight and the abuses experienced. Of course many of them are likely to be the type of prior misbehavers with nothing better to do then aggitate and disrupt, just like many of those that craved the attention in Straight, no matter how humiliating, degrading, and abusive it was. For those of you that applies to: why not just get you kicks by going to a dominatrix or searching for one through personal ads? I'm sure they'd be happy to oblige and the added physical abuse will be far more satisfying to you than the mere written word that is posted here.
Have fun tearing me apart like some type of straw man.
Later :wave:
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Well I was a misbehaver lol! But anyway I didn't do it to annoy people I didn't because I am not one who likes to follow bullshit rules and hang around in a warehouse.
Anyway, researchers still can go to Wes's site. I really don't think that this has ruined Straights cause. Plus perhaps researchers looking upon the truly disturbed adults we can act like sometimes they will perhaps take the theory that Straight was not so good for us more seriously.
If we were all sitting about discussing quatum physics then they might be like "well then that program did them wonders :wink:"
and if this is ACO Chis no one gives a fuck about " does anyone remember the blue chairs"
does anyone remember blah blah blah just shoot me!
you would bore a deaf and blind person
obviously being in Straight was the highlight of your exsistance.
and if its not sorry... remember I'm just a misbehaver I don't know how to act. :lol: Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue
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misbehavior
pardon me spelling errorsCome to the woods, for here is rest. There is no repose like that of the green deep woods. Here grow the wallflower and the violet. The squirrel will come and sit upon your knee, the logcock will wake you in the morning. Sleep in forgetfulness of all ill. Of all the upness accessible to mortals, there is no upness comparable to the mountains.
-- John Muir
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On 2004-04-14 20:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
....just like many of those that craved the attention in Straight, no matter how humiliating, degrading, and abusive it was. For those of you that applies to: why not just get you kicks by going to a dominatrix or searching for one through personal ads? ....
Do you know if Alice Rollins or Ruthie are available for kinky sessions in a motel room near the airport?
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DAMMIT!!! Misbehaver is the correct spelling. You were right the first time!
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On 2004-04-14 20:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
straw man.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html) I tried not to work for, you know, anyone who ate children with their bare hands. I won't pretend that I was ideologically consistent.
--Dick Morris; Political consultant for Bill Clinton, Trent Lott and Tom Ridge
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Jesus Morli get a fucking life already...tell that husband to get your sorry ass a car..
Oooh you lost your liscence...
So you just sit home and post on message boards, smoke dope and send Porn pics to everyone...nice
Everyday I pray that you commit suicide..
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When Jesus said to pray for your enemies, that isn't what He meant :cry:
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On 2004-04-15 01:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-04-14 20:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
....just like many of those that craved the attention in Straight, no matter how humiliating, degrading, and abusive it was. For those of you that applies to: why not just get you kicks by going to a dominatrix or searching for one through personal ads? ....
Do you know if Alice Rollins or Ruthie are available for kinky sessions in a motel room near the airport?"
Now that's just fucking gross.......I think I'd rather see Tubgirl!
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I think you all just need to smoke The Best Pot In The World :smokin: :rofl: :tup:
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?Well I was a misbehaver lol!?
I?m sure you were. In fact, most clients ?misbehaved? at one point or another during their stay in the program. That you identify yourself as a misbehaver I am assuming that you never complied with the program and didn?t graduate. Am I correct in my assumptions? If so, how long were you in the program and what were the circumstances of your departure?
?But anyway I didn't do it to annoy people I didn't (did it?) because I am not one who likes to follow bullshit rules and hang around in a warehouse.?
Quite understandable that you found the numerous rules, many of which were impossible to fully comply with, to your dislike. I imagine that there would be very few individuals that craved the rules, and I have had no exposure to anyone with feelings of fondness as they look back upon those rules.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but again, I am working from an assumption that you never complied with the program. Most individuals that went through the Straight program have a very different opinion than the one you presented. Time spent in the building was usually not thought of as a time to ?hang out?, and, if you were ever in Straight, to be able to think of that time in such as way is a very fortunate occurrence for you. Most look back upon time spent in the building with varying levels of anxiety, anger, and remorse.
I am curious as to why you felt the need to try and apply yourself to my comment, then create an exception for yourself. Let me restate my words and perhaps offer a bit more clarification. ?Of course many of them are likely to be the type of prior misbehavers with nothing better to do then agitate and disrupt, just like many of those that craved the attention in Straight, no matter how humiliating, degrading, and abusive it was.? I said ?type?. Most of the misbehavers I witnessed in Straight were rebelling. Those misbehavers, if not fortunate enough to escape the program, all eventually complied. They had to. Those that haven?t are still probably locked away in some second or third generation Straight program. The ?type? of misbehaver that I was referring to was the type that derived pleasure from their actions of defiance and the resulting consequences. I can recall several of these instances quite well. These misbehavers never complied with the program and were eventually withdrawn when their parents ran out of money.
This brings me to a type of dilemma that I have held for quite some time. During my stay I tried to be as considerate as possible to those under my care. Obviously there were certain rules that dictated the extent of that consideration, (ie: I couldn?t allow them to use the bathroom in privacy as we had to ?be aware? of them.) but I did what I could. If they didn?t want to write MIs they didn?t have to. If they didn?t want to talk to me, they didn?t have to. If I thought they were lying to me, I didn?t press the issue. Even a few newcomers that I lost my temper with, who I later apologized to, stated in an almost shocked way that I had nothing to apologize for, that I was the ?nicest? oldcomer they had (scary thought). Here?s the dilemma: There were a couple of newcomers that purposely agitated and annoyed anyone that they came in contact with. At the time I attended the facility, the administration had begun discouraging the use of restraints in host homes (I assume because they had a lawsuit against them for that very matter). I of course tried to comply with this, although many other oldcomers did not and received no form of punishment for their failure to comply. These newcomers would provoke other oldcomers and me to restrain them. For example take the following hypothetical situation:
Newcommer:
Oldcommer: Come on now, you can?t sing that.
Newcommer: Fuck off!
Oldcommer: Now you know I can?t let you do that. You can?t say that either.
Newcommer: I don?t give a shit
Oldcommer: Can?t we get through at least one night without all this? I?ve got so much stuff I?ve got to do and I want to try and get to bed by at least 1:00am tonight.
(Newcomer?s defiant behavior continues to increase in intensity, then newcomer begins to cause destruction to the property of the host home, threatens the oldcomers, or just plain pushes one too far.)
Again, these are rare cases and there were only a couple of newcomers that were entrusted to my care that acted in this way. Straight was abusive and it abused many people. Is what these exceptions experienced also abuse? They seemed to enjoy it and would even laugh about it. Was it consensual in a way? After all, they fully knew what consequences their actions would bring, they only had to have memory retention of the past 24 hours to understand. Also, am I an abuser for having no choice but to assist in restraining them?
So another question for you: Do you believe you were abused in the program?
?Anyway, researchers still can go to Wes's site.?
That?s true, but does that mean this site should not be accurate and factual?
?I really don't think that this has ruined Straights cause.?
Nor do I. It sure doesn?t help though.
?Plus perhaps researchers looking upon the truly disturbed adults we can act like sometimes they will perhaps take the theory that Straight was not so good for us more seriously.?
Perhaps, but I sincerely doubt it. I doubt that you actually believe that either.
?If we were all sitting about discussing quatum (quantum?) physics then they might be like "well then that program did them wonders and if this is ACO Chis no one gives a fuck about " does anyone remember the blue chairs" does anyone remember blah blah blah just shoot me! you would bore a deaf and blind person?
I do not wish to discuss quantum physics with you, especially that you do not even know enough about it to spell it correctly. Let me draw your attention to what this board is for. The terms of use state the following: ?This forum is offered as a resource to facilitate the sharing of information and viewpoints related to the topics designated by individual forum moderators and to coordinate and network efforts relating to them.? If you have not noticed, the topic of this forum is ?Straight Inc. Survivors?. So if you don?t want to talk about blue chairs or talk about Straight this is the wrong place to be. As for boring a deaf and blind person, I?m not sure how that has any bearing. If you were meaning to state that you are bored by the subject, you should examine why you would want to come to a forum devoted to a topic you find boring.
?obviously being in Straight was the highlight of your exsistance (existence?). and if its not sorry... ?
No, Straight was not a highlight of my existence. Nor do I think it was for most people. It was a significant part of my life nerveless. That place changed me, but not in the way they desired, and my goals in life are rooted in the experiences that I had during Straight. Perhaps the thinking of popular culture can be reformed and the tyrants responsible for the abuse will one day face justice.
Is that important to you that those responsible for Straight face justice?
?remember I'm just a misbehaver I don't know how to act?
I think you make that abundantly clear.
?Do you know if Alice Rollins or Ruthie are available for kinky sessions in a motel room near the airport??
I do not know either of these individuals nor do I see how this knowledge would add any value to this topic.
Antigen, I?m quite impressed that you picked up on my usage of straw man as a reference to the fallacy that you linked to. I liked their concise description of a straw man fallacy. I also found the material on the site interesting and informative. The holocaust of the Jews during World War II is tragic and I have always been interested in the subject. Though I don?t claim Straight was anywhere nearly severe as Nazi concentration and execution camps, there are many similarities between us survivors. It?s appalling to have found out that Straight officials have the audacity to sit on the board of the holocaust museum in Florida.
?Jesus Morli get a fucking life already...tell that husband to get your sorry ass a car.. Oooh you lost your liscence (license?)... So you just sit home and post on message boards, smoke dope and send Porn pics to everyone...nice?
Strange you would think me to be some individual Morli with no evidence to conclude such an assumption.
I assume you are referring to a drivers license? If so, mine is current and unrestricted, though I fail to see the relevancy of this to the topic at hand. What I do with my spare time, though your characterization of it is incorrect, also would shed no additional light on this subject.
?Everyday I pray that you commit suicide..?
Does the fact that God never answers your prayer make you doubt the existence of God?
?And again? Relevancy please?
?When Jesus said to pray for your enemies, that isn't what He meant.?
Accurate statement to be sure. Please don?t warp this into a religious debate however.
?Now that's just fucking gross.......I think I'd rather see Tubgirl!?
Irrelevant
?I think you all just need to smoke The Best Pot In The World?
Irrelevant
In summation, thank you for proving my point exactly.
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No, thank you anonymous. ::bigsmilebounce:: ::alieneyesa:: ::hehehmm::
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Dude, I think you could use a bit of TBPITW. Sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. Lots of accurate and important information is often posted here. But there's just not something important going on or being discovered all the time. So we goof off.
If this were a moderated forum, then ppl like Frod and RPT and others would probably get bored and find something better to do w/ their time. So then, what would you do when, for example, you need to verify facts that they witnessed? Go and try to track them down somehow? Just post the question and you'll likely get the info you're looking for. It's sort of like a biker bar that way.
It's not an either/or proposition as you presented. If once [the people] become inattentive to the public affairs,
you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors,
shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general
nature, in spite of individual exceptions.
Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787
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I thought it was entertaining. Go figure... :???:
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quantum was a typo even though I really could not discuss physics anyway.
I was in the program 13 months, no I never graduated, I complied after 8 months made it to 3rd copped out from school was returned and began misbehaving again.
I was 14 when I went in 15 when I returned from the cop-out and misbehaved again until I was sent to away by the program to "another facility" when they came under investigation by children services, they did that with all the misbehavers that were extemely non-compliant at that time. They could not afford the protective service people to see everyone in infimaries or on the floor. The kids carved a lot in the program too and the workers were I'm sure like what the fuck, they were shut down due to these investigations. They were closed down after their license was revoked and they had no choice. Of course at the time when I was shipped out I had no idea they ever closed not for years. I was scared of going back.
I had no drug list I had no stories I was at a loss of what to say in the groups because I didn't have anything to talk about, they didn't of course believe a word I said when I told them no I really do not have a story for that.
I was 4 1/2 hours from home and not getting out for 4 yrs (that was when I first went in)
4 yrs to a 14yr old jesus I felt like I was never getting out I knew I would never graduate they didn't believe the truth, what was I to do? I was non-compliant because it was harder to comply, get called a liar, getting sat up, asking to pick up forks, my natural personality is just like no. First I was scared then I just felt so angry I had nothing to lose. it was easier for me to be revolting then complying.
I only moved on after I made up stories Made up a drug list, HA I still am glad I flung that nasty ass food on exec. staff. No regrets I am glad I did not let someone drag their knuckles down my back. How dare they!
I am not that angry or bitter not like die die x-staff die. I just am like well, damn a fucking cult rehab?? Whats the odds? I am ok, I am not ok with the fact that people killed themselves afterwards, were traumatized forever, lost loved ones.
I felt hopeless in the program, I just am not as angry as some I see on here. The initial anger has just faded. I am more concerned with the present problem then what happened to me then, thats over.
I would like places like that to never exisit people like Sembler to be held accountable at least in the court of public opinion. To know that they did the wrong thing to know that they know.
I don't know. Straight what a fucking experience.
Yes I think the program was abusive. I miss some people from my program though. Some people were really cool. When I left missed them and never saw them again. There are not enough jails, not enough policemen, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people.
-- HUBERT H. HUMPHREY, speech (1965)
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So funny, I rember Alice Rollins
Betsy
Straight 1981- 1983 Florida/VirginiaFirst management had plans and then strategic plans. Now we have vision, and we're only one small step from hallucination.
-- Ansley Throckmorton upon assuming the presidency of Bangor Theological Seminary in Bangor, Main per Information World 8-4-`97
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On 2004-09-18 00:31:00, corbet wrote:
"So funny, I rember Alice Rollins
Betsy
Straight 1981- 1983 Florida/Virginia
Did I ever mention the time I fucked that Group Staff Supervisor bitch , Alice? I was on 3rd phase and going to school at Mirror Lake in St. Petersburg, when one day, after school, I heard an older female voice call from behind me. I turned around, surprised to see Alice Rollins.
"I'm giving you a ride today", she said, flashing that sexy smile of hers and indicating a large Cadillac with tinted windows.
"Thanks Alice. I love you Alice" I replied, holding her door open for her. I went around to the other side of the car and was shocked to see a bottle of Cutty Sark and a couple of shot glasses in plain sight, right next to a tray of sensimilla and a mirror with two fat, white rails laid out on it.
"Don't be nervous" she said, "we'll just have a little party here. It'll be our little secret." She uncapped the Cutty and took a long pull, then passed me the bottle. I tilted my head back for a long draw of scotch, and heard her snorting up a line as I felt her hand groping at my cock and balls. I took another deep draw from the bottle as fear, revulsion ,and a sick sense of desire filled me.
"It's OK" she said, "here--do a line"
I took the mirror she handed me, and the rolled up $100 bill, and bent down to see my wild-eyed reflection in the mirror as she unzipped my pants.
"I've never done coke before" I said, kind of nervously.
"Oh, that's not cocaine, silly boy, that's PCP. It's very decadent. William and I like to do it when we watch bestiality movies we made on our honeymoon".
"Oh", I said, feeling my dick reluctantly getting hard to her touch and a buzzing noise in my head.
"Why don't you roll us a joint?" she said, right before she bent down and swollowed my engorged prick and began skillfully fellating me.
"Sure, Alice. I love you, Alice" I said, feeling hazy yet strangely aroused as she continued inhaling my shaft.
Suddenly she stopped sucking, sat up, and told me to light up the joint I had barely been able to roll. As I lit it up and took a deep toke into my lungs, she pulled down the black polyester slacks she was wearing to reveal that she had no panties on. She took the joint from me, hit it a couple of times, thenthrew herself over the seat, with her ass in the air.
"FUCK ME ! FUCK ME IN THE ASS LIKE THE SLUT I AM!" she screamed, and I plunged my drug-crazed dick into her bung hole, feeling her convulse with joy as I buried my dick in her ass.
She passed the joint back to me and I hit it again and again as I continued probing her anus with my johnson. Sweat poured down my face and I continued to pump her butt as I wiped the perspiration of my forehead. She began screaming again, making wild animal noises, and just as I was about to cum, she yelled out "Look over your shoulder RIGHT NOW!"
Startled, I did as she said, and what I saw when I did was a sight I will never foget. Over my shoulder I saw Miller Newton, dressed in a torn Girl Scout uniform, furiously masturbating himself as he watched us. Then he pulled out a bible, and opened it up so he could ejaculate within it's pages.
I guess it was the PCP, maybe the weed, or the scotch, but I statred laughing. Alice slapped me across the face and said " You just got yourself a 3-day Away From Home, Druggie".
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