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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 14, 2004, 01:56:00 PM

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2004, 01:56:00 PM

Where the hell is everybody?  Things have quieted down, its safe to come out and play now. :wave:

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2004, 02:11:00 PM

That's exactly the problem, too much "playing" here.

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2004, 02:12:00 PM

oh, lighten up. :smile:   It was a figure of speech.  I was hoping that since things HAVE calmed for a while that people would start posting again.  That's what everyone was asking for, so let's get it going again.

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2004, 02:20:00 PM

Give it time.

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: taureana on April 14, 2004, 05:08:00 PM

The problem is, there is just not anything interesting enough to post to.

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2004, 08:30:00 PM

Here is a topic for all of us,

Our current president, stands a very good chance of being re-elected.  Most of us here clearly understand that Mel Sembler helped him in the past and continues today.  How is it that this still has not made it to the press.  Many people have tried but the story still has not been told.  I think the best thing we can do now is to target people that are anti-Bush.  People that have the resources to tell the story.  

For instance: Sean Penn, Barbara Streisand, George Cloony etc.  I really wish I had more time to devote to this.  And again many have tried and the battle continues.  Congrats to all that have made a difference, there are many.  I just pray there is a way to get this message out.  I think it could really turn the tides on this election.  I myself have exhausted myself trying to no avail.  

We all know our press isn?t free, it?s anything but that.  That's the real reason our efforts have failed.  So all of our attempts to expose the truth just bounce off the wall of our modern media because of it's ramifications and who controls it.  Maybe it?s time for some new targets to approach????.


Take care all,

VSP

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: thepatriot on April 15, 2004, 08:43:00 AM

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On 2004-04-14 17:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Here is a topic for all of us,



Our current president, stands a very good chance of being re-elected.  Most of us here clearly understand that Mel Sembler helped him in the past and continues today.  How is it that this still has not made it to the press.  Many people have tried but the story still has not been told.  I think the best thing we can do now is to target people that are anti-Bush.  People that have the resources to tell the story.  



For instance: Sean Penn, Barbara Streisand, George Cloony etc.  I really wish I had more time to devote to this.  And again many have tried and the battle continues.  Congrats to all that have made a difference, there are many.  I just pray there is a way to get this message out.  I think it could really turn the tides on this election.  I myself have exhausted myself trying to no avail.  



We all know our press isn?t free, it?s anything but that.  That's the real reason our efforts have failed.  So all of our attempts to expose the truth just bounce off the wall of our modern media because of it's ramifications and who controls it.  Maybe it?s time for some new targets to approach????.





Take care all,



VSP







 
"

I hear what you are saying, but I think you could find better spokes persons than Sean penn and Streisand, I don't think too many working class americans would pay attention to these two idiots .

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Post by: kaydeejaded on April 15, 2004, 09:09:00 AM

this is another reason the pro-Bush from the Straight ppl amazes me.

I'll agree with you on Sean Penn there though I don't think he will help any. Babs on the other hand....

for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence.

--Thomas Jefferson

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2004, 10:38:00 AM

I see what you?re saying and tend to agree or did in the past.  However, who better to approach than activists that are anti-Bush.  And targeting activists with deep pockets could bring the results we all seek.  I don?t condone some of the things Penn and Babs have done.  But I do think that the liberal left would have a hay day with the information we have.  If they make it public then it?s good for all of us.  I think that individuals like this could make a difference.  Sending this information to the liberal press just never seems to work.  Many have tried for years now.  It really makes one wonder who controls our media.  Is bush really strong enough to constantly shut down attempts to expose his ties to child abuse?  I don?t know but it sure looks that way.

Just an idea,

Take care, all

VSP

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: thepatriot on April 15, 2004, 10:41:00 AM

Babs is a loud mouth that doesn't understand or relate to the common man, she is the last person I want speaking for me

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: thepatriot on April 15, 2004, 10:46:00 AM

Its not a matter of being anti-Bush it a matter of Who will listen, maybe your hollywood types and your broadway musiacl lovin type people, but your union guys ? laborers, common man joe citizen types will NOT pay attention to BABS!!!!!! give me a break

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Post by: thepatriot on April 15, 2004, 10:48:00 AM

Also, who controls the media???? send it to CNN they are big and they hate Bush they report one sided left wing Ted Turner lovin BS all day long. They would love it.

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Post by: Antigen on April 15, 2004, 10:51:00 AM

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On 2004-04-15 07:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

 Is bush really strong enough to constantly shut down attempts to expose his ties to child abuse?

No, it's that there are so damned many dirty hands in this.

the war on drugs is but one manifestation, albeit a very dramatic one, of the great moral contests of our age -- the struggle between two diametrically opposed images of man: between man as responsible moral agent, 'condemned' to freedom, benefiting and suffering from the consequences of his actions; and man as irresponsible child, unfit for freedom, 'protected' from its risks by agents of the omnicompetent state.
--Thomas Szasz

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2004, 11:17:00 AM

Patriot,

I don't like Babs any more than you do.  And the information has repeatedly been sent to CNN and many many more outlets.  They just won't explore it and it makes you wonder.  Ginger is correct, to many dirty hands in this.  But whose hands ultimately make this decision. This information has been widely disseminated to the press, and guess what? Nothing!  I was just trying to come up with an alternative.  I'm not focusing on Babs, but maybe the Hollywood type could help.  It's obvious our media won't.  I just want the truth to get to the average person like you said Patriot.  And then the Bush's and Sembler will be done and gone.  

Take care all,

VSP

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: thepatriot on April 16, 2004, 09:20:00 AM

Hey VSP I can't argue with that one , thanks  :wink:

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: ehm on April 16, 2004, 12:27:00 PM

VSP is one righteous dude! :wink:

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2004, 01:58:00 PM

Thanks Patriot and Morli,

It just floors me the hypocrisy of our great United States the land of the free but the land of the controlled.  We don?t have a clue what?s really going on in the world.  Sure we have 900 channels, but there is nothing on, it?s all bull hockey.  We are systematically lied to on many fronts by our government and in the media.  I?ve spent much time in Europe in the last year and the first thing you realize when you turn on the TV or ?One Eyed Babysitter? as I call it, is how distorted our media is.  When the BBC shows coverage of the war in Iraq, they really show what?s going on.  The carnage is intense and they show it all.  Holland is the same too.  I?ve seen shows that would rock your foundations as to why we are there.  The footage made me sick.  It just so infuriates me.  How much we are lied to.  And most don?t even question or suspect anything wrong.  Why?  Why have we allowed ourselves to become subservient to a select few, why?  

Moving on to the Straight issues and the fact that the principles are still standing is just so damn wrong.  If some joe six pack robs a 7-11, it?s front page news. But how is it that this story of Straight won?t get picked up.  And I mean really picked up?  After all the work and efforts by Fornits, Isac, Safety, The Straights, Rick Ross, Pump-gate, Yahoo Groups, and many more, the story is flat.  It just goes nowhere.  It?s just so damn sad, and so deplorably wrong.  

There just has to be a better way to call attention to this information.  What good is a protest if it doesn?t make it into the papers, but the plight of the Palestinians does?  What about us?  What about our plight?  For God?s sake it happened on US soil! Why does our media not care?  We are not lying!  We didn?t make it up! It?s real, more real than any of these reality TV crap shows that are being hurled at the masses.  

I think our best hope is foreign Media coverage, and that?s exactly where I?m focusing my attention.  If you actually read a paper from London you would be astounded at the sheer size and complexity of the articles.  Hell you almost need a dictionary on stand-bye just to get through it.  They are mammoth in comparison to what we call papers here.  What we have here in America is almost like a comic book with cute little pictures for those who can?t read. It?s a damn farce.

Anyway enough rambling, just damn mad the principles are still standing.  I hope time is on our side but I am starting to wonder if we?re just lying to ourselves.  There are many good people and efforts afoot.  I hope they make a difference, I really pray they do.  However, the strength of the principles is significant. I?ll keep doing what I can too regardless of the odds.

Take care all,

VSP,

p.s. Good picture Morli, how did you post it?

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: ehm on April 16, 2004, 02:25:00 PM

Well, I'll be doing my Earth Day thing again this year, passing out info, manning a booth, talking to people who are political, and really care about the issues. I agree that it's phenomenal  the crimes that our president has been a gigantic part of. It floors me daily. I really appreciate your enthusiasm, you are a strong asset to the cause.  I must admit there is a part of me that would love to just escape it all, but that is another topic all together. I do know one thing though, I don?t think what we want can be achieved without unity, how do you achive that with all the hate?

Oh, that old thing? ? Magic :wink: -- But seriously... I HOT LINKED IT!

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2004, 02:55:00 PM

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On 2004-04-16 11:25:00, Maude wrote:

 I do know one thing though, I don?t think what we want can be achieved without unity, how do you achive that with all the hate?



Oh, that old thing? ? Magic :wink: -- But seriously... I HOT LINKED IT!

"

I believe it?s a matter of what?s important!  

That?s how we ALL win!

That?s how we end the current conflict with many on Fornits

What do we all want?

Accountability?

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few!  ?thanks Star Trek?

How about making a difference instead of more divisions?

Besides it a better way of living don?t you think, a hell of a lot less stressful.

Let?s be constructive instead of destructive, it?s common sense.

VSP

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: ehm on April 16, 2004, 05:09:00 PM

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On 2004-04-16 11:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-04-16 11:25:00, Maude wrote:


 I do know one thing though, I don?t think what we want can be achieved without unity, how do you achive that with all the hate?





Oh, that old thing? ? Magic :wink: -- But seriously... I HOT LINKED IT!


"

I believe it?s a matter of what?s important!  



That?s how we ALL win!



That?s how we end the current conflict with many on Fornits



What do we all want?



Accountability?



The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few!  ?thanks Star Trek?



How about making a difference instead of more divisions?



Besides it a better way of living don?t you think, a hell of a lot less stressful.



Let?s be constructive instead of destructive, it?s common sense.



VSP









"

Agreed.  :tup:

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Antigen on April 16, 2004, 06:05:00 PM

VSP, a good friend of mine reminded me lately that it's so important to focus discussion on the intake process--the lack of qualified diagnosis and recruiting methods. When you say drug rehab or program, the presumption is usually that we were all druggie kids, destined to be hookers and street junkies and so nobody really cares that maybe we got roughed up a little or subjected to some "discipline" or whatever. It was all for a good cause, right?

That's why nobody cares.

Honestly, I can't go along w/ comparing our experience to that of the Palistinians. Would you trade places? Not me. The major part of my troubles ended the day I turned 18. I don't think many will ever go along w/ the idea that our plight is as bad or worse than that of the Palistinians.

I don't even think our ordeal is half as bad as, say, the (now pardoned or acquited) defendants in the Tulia drug bust. (see http://dpft.org/ (http://dpft.org/) for background) I think the most important aspect of the Straight saga to the public at large is how the philosophy and the people who promote it have come to carry such unquestioned sway in matters of public policy and opinion. The part of the story that we have to contribute is just how bug all fanatical and unbalanced these people are and how full of shit their philosophy.

Now, here's the rub, where the rubber meets the road, so to speak. Even among Program survivors who are not the least bit sympathetic to the Program, there exists considerable disagreement about the philosophy. My buddy ThePatriot (and I do remember the guy fondly) says he'd strangle someone w/ his own hands if they tried to sell a jib to his kid. Amazing!

So, how do we combat centuries of superstitious fear over psychotropics? Cause as long as people generally accept that psychotropic drugs are a menace to society, they'll go on accepting all kinds of cruelty and lunacy in an effort to combat this evil monster.

I think Mike Rupert is probably doing more for our cause than almost anyone else:
http://www.copvcia.com/ (http://www.copvcia.com/)

If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
--Old Yiddish proverb

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
It is wrong to leave a stumbling block in the road once it has tripped you.

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: kaydeejaded on April 16, 2004, 08:15:00 PM

I would not trade places and be in palistine oh hell no.

I would not. No no no. I would most definately say Straight was preferable.

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2004, 08:21:00 PM

I don't know....I hear they get The Best Hash In The World (TBHITW) over there.  Plus, once the Israelis add the final straw and break the camel's back, there could be a lotta cool work for mercenaries in the Israeli Civil War.

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: kaydeejaded on April 16, 2004, 08:33:00 PM

But those spiders!!!  :grin:

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2004, 11:12:00 PM

Ginger,

The Palestinian comparison was bad on my part.  Yes they have it much worse.  But what I was trying to say was if something happens there it?s in our papers, at least part of it.  However, things that happen here are not.  Take for instance the proof of insurance fraud with Sembler and Straight.  Sure we talk about Enron and those problems but not when it?s Sembler.  

I agree with what you?re talking about.  The intake process and how the same fanaticism has molded our laws.  And how hypocritical is it that Bush wouldn?t put Noel in a Sembler type program on one hand but takes their money and advice on the other.   Then passes laws created by them too.  The cycle won?t end until they are exposed and the truth gets out.  

Take care,

VSP

Title: come out come out whereever you are
Post by: Antigen on April 17, 2004, 01:56:00 AM

VSP, what if I told you that a US based multinational corporation w/ ties all over Washington and right into the Whitehouse had been busted, dead to rights on national network TV running puppet corporations (plural) off a sandbar in the Carribean in order to get around the embargos on Iraq?

It happened. I sat there and watched Ted Koppel one night run down the details on how Halliburton did just that on ABC World News Tonight. Barely made a ripple.

What if a former LAPD officer produced copious evidence and even congressional testimony from CIA assets proving that CIA has been running the international illicit drug market for decades.

See http://copvcia.com/ (http://copvcia.com/)

We finally heard about Enron AFTER the election, after the crash, after there was no way out.

It takes a lot to get a story into the public concience. A lot of different people being effected, a lot of repetition, a lot of probing investigation. The journalists will hit on whatever the public is buying. That's the truth! Despite anyone's fond wishes to the contrary, there's a species of people who would, and often do, give their lives to get the story.

At least now, you can get a newspaper to print a critical story on an outfit that preports to cure druggie kids. That's progress! In the `70's, gangs of Seedlings used to abduct their olddruggiefriends, drag them to the building and borwbeat a confession out of them THEN call the parents to tell them that Jr. said he needed help. And you'd sooner get grandma to believe Billy Graham was a scammer than get a cop or judge to believe a bad thing about Art Barker.

The dyke has sprung a leak and, lucky for us, no one bothered to tell Craig Rogers and his merry band of lunatics the story of how the little Dutch boy wound up in traction.

Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson