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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Realitycheck on April 07, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
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I recently graduated from KHK and I disagree with alot of what I am reading on this message board. I have never witnessed physical or emotional abuse. I understand that many people are angry about their experiences in programs like straight, but take it from me KHK does not compare. I went through treatment in a supportive and caring environment. I just wanted to pass this information on because I believe in KHK and their practices. KHK is not like Straight. Those who compare the two, are living in a fantasy world. Get real and get some facts!
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The facts will all come to light in the Showcase Showdown
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On 2004-04-07 10:37:00, Realitycheck wrote:
Get real and get some facts!
Workin' on it.The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.
--H.L. Mencken
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So you weren't denied communication with parents when admitted? or you weren't armed or held by your belt loop? was the door left open when you used the bathroom? no boxer checks? no humiliation or confrontation in front of all the others? The tactics they use in these places only teach you to beat yourself up in addition to that you were already doing that. Your psyche will not be well without good psychotherapy.
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Prior to entering treatment at Kids Helping Kids I was giving foul males blow jobs for drugs, disrespecting my parents, stealing from people I love, passing out in godforsaken places, and countless other self-destructive behaviors. And yes, my parents tried "good psychotherapy" and I refused it. Some of those things you mentioned may have happened at KHK, but I do not find them offensive or degrading. I am a productive, happy, healthy, spiritual person, who is sober, because of the work I did at KHK.
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Prior to entering treatment at Kids Helping Kids I was giving foul males blow jobs for drugs, disrespecting my parents, stealing from people I love, passing out in godforsaken places, and countless other self-destructive behaviors. And yes, my parents tried "good psychotherapy" and I refused it. Some of those things you mentioned may have happened at KHK, but I do not find them offensive or degrading. I am a productive, happy, healthy, spiritual person, who is sober, because of the work I did at KHK.
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On 2004-04-08 09:29:00, Realitycheck wrote:
"Prior to entering treatment at Kids Helping Kids I was giving foul males blow jobs for drugs, disrespecting my parents, stealing from people I love, passing out in godforsaken places, and countless other self-destructive behaviors. And yes, my parents tried "good psychotherapy" and I refused it. Some of those things you mentioned may have happened at KHK, but I do not find them offensive or degrading. I am a productive, happy, healthy, spiritual person, who is sober, because of the work I did at KHK. "
:roll: Geeeee, and I bet you had to CONFESS and TELL ALL to that captive audience there at 6070 Branch Hill Guinea Pike in order to be "promoted" huh?? You really think it was right for them to make you CONFESS all to a bunch of people so they would know ALL your private business??? Hello!!! What you "shared" with us just now was too much information and really none of our business. Your act of self-shaming yourself on this forum in order to "convince" us you DESERVED all that horrible treatment those people gave you at that building is in vain.
"Sex", "stealing", "disrespect "????? Hell honey, it's been happening all over the planet since the beginning of time (LOL). You don't need to become a brain-wash-ee in order to 'get over it' and stop, you don't have to depend on cult like KHK for permission. If you don't like puking, You just put down the booze.
By the way, what happened to "Brew" mentioned in this article?
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2002/0 ... ction.html (http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2002/03/17/tem_teen_beats_addiction.html)
"Brew left without completing the program" ~ What the hell is this? Was he pulled? Did he run away? If so, WHY did he run? Was something going on there that terrorized him? People just don't leave for no reason, guess that reporter didn't follow up her story like she should of. Were/are you forbidden to mention his name from this point on? It's natural for human beings to be concerned about their fellow man, it's a God given right. So what happened to Brew?
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Funny how that kind of emotional vomiting seems to follow program people around. For so long after I got out I was way[/b] too open with people about my life, even complete strangers. I was later told by a therapist that it was a leftover PTSD symptom.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks.
--Anonymous
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It appears that by telling my story of the things I did because I used drugs only fuels you resentment towards an organization that only tried to help you. If there were things I did that you find embarassing now, imagine how I felt keeping those things inside of me. Being able to talk openly with my peers has kept me sober. I don't live a life of lies. If you enjoy living dishonestly in your resentment, go right ahead, I don't need this message board to "seek revenge". I just wanted to set the record straight about KHK and give my honest interpretation of what I believe to be true and what how my life changed for the positive. Sounds like you could still benefit from a place like KHK. Sorry your living in misery.
Reality Check
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I'm not living in misery at all. I have a pretty good life.
An organization that tried to help me???????????? Talk about reality check!!!!
I don't live dishonestly, quite the contrary. The resentment I feel is well deserved.
As far as keeping things inside you, when I feel the need to talk to someone, it's always a close friend. I don't talk about such extremely personal things on a message board. Another side effect of the program.....spilling out volumes of personal information to complete strangers.What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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It is one thing to tell a person what you were doing before you entered treatment on a forum where no one has a clue who you are. I doubt reality check walks around telling that stuff to people. I was in Kids/Straight for 2 years and I never talked about that crap to people except when I was in treatment. If you truly want to see some vomit take a look at the Straight forum. There is vomit all over the place.
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I was under the impression that you (Cayohueso) acutally went through the Kids Helping Kids program, and I see that you weren't even a client there. I am sorry if the program you went to was horrible and caused you to feel the way that you do, but KHK is not like that. I wish that you would not speak ill of a subject you are ignorant about.
~Reality Check
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Anonymous seems to have a true grasp on reality.
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Yes but reality, did they teach you about proper boundaries? About how it's not good to go around spilling out everything just because someone asks you about it, a stranger say? Honesty is good, mostly with yourself, not with everyone who asks.
**If the idea of protecting yourself against others bad treatment or judgment sounds dishonest, then you are in a very scary place**
Did the people in KHK EARN the right and EARN your trust for you to tell them all that stuff? Or did they tell you you would die if you didn't? I hope nobody else comes along and tells you some similar BS, because I think you will fall and fall fast.
Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
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Realitycheck, you ask people to speak what they know, and that is all they, just as you, are doing. If KHK helped you, great. I'm sure you know from perusing these boards that AA has been great for some and not so great for others; so it goes for treatment centers... There are even some ex-Straight-clients who believe that that crazy place helped them. Unfortunately, Straight harmed more people than it helped, and considering that Straight spawned KHK, it is only natural for people who were harmed at the former to be concerned that anyone who attended the latter suffered a similar fate.
Keep in mind that the people whom Straight harmed the most were children whose alcohol and drug use (if any) did not go to the depths that you claim yours had gone to; on the contrary, many Straight clients embellished or even fabricated tales of their "druggie" experiences in order to avoid abuse and/or progress in the program. Some even convinced themselves that these fabrications were in fact true -- that's the brainwashing part that so many here have been through, and are now looking out for in others and for others' sakes.
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On 2004-04-20 13:26:00, Realitycheck wrote:
"I was under the impression that you (Cayohueso) acutally went through the Kids Helping Kids program, and I see that you weren't even a client there. I am sorry if the program you went to was horrible and caused you to feel the way that you do, but KHK is not like that. I wish that you would not speak ill of a subject you are ignorant about.
~Reality Check"
Ok reality check, do your home work befor you call somebody ignorant. KHK is STRAIGHT with another name, the program rhetoric is all the same. You obviously need deprogramming in a very bad way.
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On 2004-04-09 10:11:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Funny how that kind of emotional vomiting seems to follow program people around. For so long after I got out I was way[/b] too open with people about my life, even complete strangers. I was later told by a therapist that it was a leftover PTSD symptom.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks.
--Anonymous
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same
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On 2004-04-20 13:26:00, Realitycheck wrote:
"I was under the impression that you (Cayohueso) acutally went through the Kids Helping Kids program, and I see that you weren't even a client there. I am sorry if the program you went to was horrible and caused you to feel the way that you do, but KHK is not like that. I wish that you would not speak ill of a subject you are ignorant about.
~Reality Check"
Im sorry but you are a robot...check back in 15 years with us and tell us how you feel. You are so fucking spun you dont know whats real..
I was heroin addict for 15 years and never gave anyone a blow job..I suspect thats part of your fabricated program confessions?
I think you are so full of shit you dont even know it..been there done that, kid.
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On 2004-04-09 10:11:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Funny how that kind of emotional vomiting seems to follow program people around. For so long after I got out I was way[/b] too open with people about my life, even complete strangers. I was later told by a therapist that it was a leftover PTSD symptom.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks.
--Anonymous
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Boy howdy are you ever right about that one. In the real world that kind of stuff is something called private.[/b]
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And hey, it wouldn't be called brainwashing if it didn't actually work! :idea:
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Patriot,
Yep i am now so "in love" with my name on this board, and proud to be where i am today considering listening to "reality check".
Reality Check,
Please rethink your stance on this and try to listen with an open mind. I can see that ye need help, ye can either except the help on here or dismiss it, your free choice to do either, but I have to let ye know it does sadden my heart to hear ye like that....b/c I have been there as well, and my brainwashing is caught on tape. I know the day that I watch it again is the day my stomach will be sick with memories.
Take care of all of yourselves, and much love to even and especially the ones in true pain!
-DPKarate is a form of martial arts in which people who have had years and years of training can, using only their hands and feet, make some of the worst movies in the history of the world.
-- Dave Barry
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I was a graduate from KHK in 1984 and I know of what I speak regarding this issue. There are superficial differences between what most people round here experienced (STRAIGHT) and what very few of us round here experienced (KHK)
Beltlooping, Phases, Blowing away people in group......,
kids carving Ozzy in their arms (sorry I'm an OldSkooler)......now probably MM or Trent or some gay Limp Bizkit carvings, shitty food, lack of sleep, moral inventories, rules rap, open meetings.........sound familiar?
They come from the same school of philosophy.......BRAINWASHING works....................in the short term.
You are proof! The trick is to have a meaningful life without the effects of any program needed. You will shake this in time and understand how you were brainwashed. You may have needed some type of intervention to get you out of your "DRUGGIE" environment before you self destructed but you will eventually see that your KHK experience destroyed a good part of your psyche.
Welcome to the board anyway! Even fuckheads like Linchpin are welcome round here.
How bout a song? what? you'd like to sing the "Brady Bunch Theme"? HERE"S A STORY............
The Motivator
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It's amazing how defensive the spin off grads get around here about how "the place saved their lives" etc. One would think that line is just ready to retire by now.
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It's amazing how superior the Straightlings seem to feel when exposed to a "spin-off" grad still spewing program jargon.
Really, we are all very different but also similar due to the experiences we "shared" in the program.
KHK was a little less violent and could be perceived as not being similar to Straight. The ideology and structuring was the same even if the brutality was different.
All are welcome here................as I have learned
"You better motivate cuz I'm callin' on you in this rap of hidden secrets and what you did to get drug $$"
TM
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On 2005-07-28 16:10:00, The Motivator wrote:
"It's amazing how superior the Straightlings seem to feel when exposed to a "spin-off" grad still spewing program jargon.
Really, we are all very different but also similar due to the experiences we "shared" in the program.
KHK was a little less violent and could be perceived as not being similar to Straight. The ideology and structuring was the same even if the brutality was different.
All are welcome here................as I have learned
"You better motivate cuz I'm callin' on you in this rap of hidden secrets and what you did to get drug $$"
TM"
I don't think survivors feel superior, it's just disgusting to hear someone discount our exps and tell us things like get over it, we deserved it, stop being bitter, etc.
I just find it creepy all these years later people are coming out the programs saying the same type of jargon we were force fed that's all.
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No Worries ~
I post for enjoyment....which is not always activist correct.
stir the pot and people respond. I was able to relive some of my program rage and then let it go since I found this board. This was cool because I was able to forgive my parents since they are almost 80. No use torturing old people with the few bad years from the past. The good ones cover them up anyway. They did what they did out of love (some ignorance) and were duped by a KHK rotary club speaking engagement.
Another thing this board reminds me is that everyone has their own path and tempo. The one size fits all therapy is not the answer and we all know this. Deprogramming will happen to most graduates. it just takes a little time. It took me 20 yrs to forgive my parents. our new graduate may feel the need to stick to their guns for fear of "screwing up"
It'll take a while for the voices to cease.
Brainwashing works but only temporarily. While I was in the program and having 7 stepped "A Clockwork Orange" was showing at the reperatory cinema. a bunch of us went to see it and I remember it being a scary parallel treatment world to what I was going through at the time. One of Kubrik's finest. In the End he was still a Hooligan who loved his Ludwig Van and to that there was no cure!
TM
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On 2005-07-28 20:54:00, The Motivator wrote:
"Another thing this board reminds me is that everyone has their own path and tempo. The one size fits all therapy is not the answer and we all know this. "
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That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.
--Thomas Henry Huxley, English biologist
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BUMPITY BUMP! :cool:
Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi